Re: [GreenYouth] CSMCH, JNU Alumni Lecture Series Topic- Database State:Decoding the Implications of Unending Census

[Jayaprakash Nd]

Sorry Gopal,
Unfortunately, I am away from Delhi to attend to family matters. Will
return to Delhi only in the evening on 24th September.
Regards,
JP

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[plasma-pk-updates] [Bug 473548] New: plasma-pk-updates applet doesn't load under Fedora 37 KDE desktop

[ND]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473548

Bug ID: 473548
   Summary: plasma-pk-updates applet doesn't load under Fedora 37
KDE desktop
Classification: Plasma
   Product: plasma-pk-updates
   Version: unspecified
  Platform: Fedora RPMs
OS: Linux
Status: REPORTED
  Severity: normal
  Priority: NOR
 Component: general
  Assignee: jgrul...@redhat.com
  Reporter: general.and...@gmail.com
  Target Milestone: ---

In my Fedora 37 system, since a recent update with more than 350 packages the
PackageKit (“Software Updates”) applet in the system tray doesn’t load anymore.

STEPS TO REPRODUCE
1.  Start KDE session in Fedora 37
2. Click the Software Updates icon in the system tray and observe the error
message.

OBSERVED RESULT
Message of Software Updates (Get software updates) icon:
Sorry! There was an error loading Software Updates.

file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.pkupdates/contents/ui/main.qml:25:1:
plugin cannot be loaded for module “org.kde.plasma.PackageKit”: Cannot load
library /usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/PackageKit/libplasmapk_qmlplugins.so:
(/usr/lib64/qt5/qml/org/kde/plasma/PackageKit/libplasmapk_qmlplugins.so:
undefined symbol: _ZN5Solid3Job16staticMetaObjectE)


EXPECTED RESULT
- The loaded applet, updates info.

SOFTWARE/OS VERSIONS
Linux/KDE Plasma: Fedora 37
KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.6
version: plasma-pk-updates-1:0.3.2-13.fc37.i686
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.108.0
Qt Version: 5.15.9

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
- Updating via the command line does work.
- I asked on discuss.kde.org whether this is a bug or just my configuration,
but in lack of an answer there I am reporting it as a bug here.
https://discuss.kde.org/t/plasma-pk-updates-doesnt-load-in-f37/3801?u=andy

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[Histonet] ISH decal specimens

[Kendra Beechie ND-Bismarck via Histonet]

Hello all,

Recently, the Kappa/Lambda ISH has quit working on our decal specimens.
When we first validated ISH, we tested decal specimens that stained
appropriately. We use the DECAL Stat from StatLab. I did NOT do the initial
ISH validation back in 2019, but as far as I know, we have not changed
which Decal solution we use since then.

Has anyone else experienced this problem? I realize the other option is to
run K/L IHC on the decal specimens, but we discontinued those after we
brought the ISH on board. My medical director wants me to try to isolate
the problem. My troubleshooting has only revealed that the decal is the
common denominator.

Thanks for any help!

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[Histonet] Peroxidase stain on peripheral smears

[Kendra Beechie ND-Bismarck via Histonet]

Hello,

I am seeking some guidance in regards to a peroxidase stain. We have always
used the Kaplow Method to stain peripheral blood smears, and up until
recently, we have had no issues with getting it to work.  However, no
matter what we try in recent months, we have not been able to get it to
work. Several different techs have tried it and we have ordered new
reagents, but there are no granules to be seen

Does anyone have any experience with peroxidase kits? I can see that
Sigma-Aldrich has several available but I'm not sure what to go with

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you,

Kendra Beechie
MLS/HTL (ASCP), Technical Consultant
CHI St. Alexius Health
Bismarck, ND

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Casesentives in models in django

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I tried to put this code to deactivate the sensitivity of the characters 
when logging in, but it does not work. What is the problem with it? It 
still appears to me. Please consider the sensitivity of the characters

I want to use this method. I do not want to use the backend method Please 
help me find the problem


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Hearing "waiting widget" on Home Screen of iPad Mini

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi All,

Every time I go to my home screen on my iPad Mini, I hear "waiting widget".  I 
am not able to swipe to anything that says this, so I don't know where it is 
coming from.

I think I have had this since I first upgraded to IOS 15, but I did upgrade to 
IOS 15.6.1 today, and it is still there.

Does anyone know what this would be and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
Pam



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RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Ah, Christopher, your post jogged my memory regarding the gesture.  I had a 
very annoying similar situation, I believe, and someone had posted a fix which 
I couldn’t find.

Try doing the double tap and hold on the place just before the doc, where it 
says page one of x.  that will give you an edit box.  If it says “social”,  try 
deleting that and entering a space.  Then I believe you would hit done to get 
out of editing.

I hope that helps.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

A three finger double tap and hold will label an image and not rename a folder. 
This might be the problem since maybe you renamed the folder icon with the word 
social. Not sure how to undo this, but maybe someone else has a solution. I 
looked to see if there was a way to delete labels you created with VoiceOver, 
but I didn’t see anything obvious.

To rename a folder, I’d double tap to open the folder and then do a double tap 
and hold on the folder name to edit it.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca<mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Hi how do I do that? Since I tried to re name the folder by doing a 3 finger 
press and hold and it re named the elliment only and now vo is saying soashel 
when I am swipeing around for instince it will say soashel page 1 of 7 soashel 
page 2 of 7 or it will say things like soashel callinder and not only are nun 
of these apps in the soashel folder it will just not stop saying them. I have 
contacted apple and all I have gotten out of them is to wate for a update that 
might or might not fix the ishu since the enjinears have no idea what is going 
on. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: July 17, 2022 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Rename the folder.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Delia 
Avina
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: question how to stop my i pad and i phone saying the word soashel 
after some folders and before you flip to diffrentpages on the screen.

Maybe turn off and on voiceover
Sent from my iPod

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Hi all I have a I pad forth gen. on this I pad I have a folder called soashel. 
I have named that folder but now when ever I swipe to different pages it says 
the word soashel before each page instead of saying page 1 page 2 etc. this is 
also happening on my I phone as well as some times it is saying it before the 
name of different apps. I just want it to say page 1 page 2 not soashel page 1 
page 2 etc. I am wondering how I can accomplish this? I have tried doing a 3 
finger press and hold to try to re name the folder to something elts when it is 
saying soashel instead of the name of different folders I only have 1 folder 
called soashel but some times vo is saying the word soashel before the word 
games for my games folder. I have tried clearing the text and rrighting the 
word games but it is still doing this. Since I have the same layout of folders 
on my I phone 8 From Mich.

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RE: Aira and Be my eyes

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Very good summary.  Most of my calls to AIRA are well under 5 minutes also, 
although we do have the subscription for 30 minutes.  Yesterday, we called them 
to describe the layout of buttons and connectors on a new receiver we had just 
gotten.  They pulled up the model of the receiver on the web, and gave us a 
great description, which we recorded for future use.

Many times, they do take a picture of what you are showing them so they can see 
it more clearly.  

My husband and I are both blind, or close to, and have found ways to deal with 
things that would normally need sight for many years without these services 
being available, but it is really nice to have these as an option now also.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Aira and Be my eyes


I would say as far as Aira and Be my eyes, it all depends on what you are doing.

Keep in mind that Aira agents are sitting at a computer and have access to many 
tools like maps of your surroundings, airports that you might be at, and many 
other toolsbe like being able to use your camera to take a picture of something 
that has extremely small writing and for some reason is hard to scan with 
Seeing eye.  Also, like Richard said, Aira agents are bonded and are under a 
privacy NDA.  So they can help you read numbers of a credit card, information 
from a bill, or any other personal information. Aira agents can also help you 
with task or problems you are trying to do on your computer by the use of team 
viewer.  And lets not forget that Aira has many free ways of using their 
service.  Non paying members can use one 5 minute call a day for free, plus you 
can use Aira for free if you are at any of their sponsored locations;  like 
Walgreens for example' or if you are having a problem with Jaws.  And just in 
case anyone is wondering, the majority of my calls with Aira are less than 5 
minutes.  They are very quick and efficient in how they help you.

Now, Be My Eyes is a great service, especially for those small quick task, like 
identifying objects, maybe finding something you dropped on the floor, locating 
a door, Reading a computer screen, etc.  But I would not ask Be My Eyes to help 
me with anything personal, like my mail, bills, etc.

I do personally use both services, and I think they both provide a great 
service.  Just like in any situation, what tool I use depends on what I am 
currently trying to accomplish.

Hope this helps.

Chris


> On May 9, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Kathy Blackburn  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Aira agents are paid. Being trained and bonded sets them apart for 
> me.
> 
> Kathy Blackburn
> kblac...@austin.rr.comOn May 9, 2022 8:44 AM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> I use be my eyes all the time.  It is a great app.  If I need to find 
>> out what a can of soup is or something like that, it is great.  I've 
>> never used IRA before.  I like be my eyes because it is totally free. 
>> I don't see what is so special about so called trained volunteers 
>> anyway.  The folks at be my eyes have always been very helpful and 
>> more then able to help me.  I don't think I've had a bad experience 
>> with any volunteer I've had. 
>> 
>>> On 5/9/22, Richard Turner  wrote: 
>>> AIRA agents are trained and as I understand it, bonded; so it is said to be 
>>> safe having them assist with confidential information. 
>>> Be My Eyes are untrained, well-meaning, volunteers. 
>>> I would never use Be My Eyes for help with a bank statement for example. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard 
>>> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
>>> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin 
>>> My web site: 
>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C499bfaa99ec04c5e430808da31db031c%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637877113961194308%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=4qiJP4LgDFpLj4pFnvX6fs22nomUiT6M8EPL3vFiJHI%3Dreserved=0
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 9, 2022, at 5:23 AM, Marcos Rodrigues  
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning. 
>>>> 
>>>> What are the advantages of Aira over be my eyes? 
>>>> 
>>>> I started paying more attention to be my eyes and realised it has the same 
>>>> functionalities of Aira with no cost. 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>

RE: Looking for an app for the iPhone that connects you to a human so they can help you take a photo? Preferably a free one.

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I believe the free 5 minutes is still available.  They have just given priority 
to those who have a paid account with them, so it may take longer for those 
using it for free to get connected with someone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dacia 
Luck
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 4:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for an app for the iPhone that connects you to a human so 
they can help you take a photo? Preferably a free one.

I actually think they have disabled the free five minute feature but I could be 
wrong.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Holly  wrote:
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> If you can take the photo in five minutes, AIRA is free.
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RE: Using scanning software to find dates on products

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Yes, I have found that this is a good use for a quick AIRA or Be My Eyes call.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using scanning software to find dates on products

I have never found used by dates with a scanner.
I always end up getting sighted assistance.
There is no consistancy as to where that information is placed on packages.



Richard
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
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On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:48 AM, Terri Stimmel 
mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have the iPhone 12 Mini. I wasn't sure if knowing this would be helpful, or 
not.

However, I am trying to organize my freezer, and make sure I try to work on not 
purchasing items we might already have. It's amazing how often this can happen, 
if you aren't careful. It can be easy to forget what you may already have. LOL!

Anyway, I use both VoiceDream Scanner, and Seeing AI, to read packages. I am 
still not the best with being able to use either of this. But the more I 
practice, the easier it seems to get. I still can struggle to know what to do 
with the camera.

But I was wondering, is there an easy way to be able to find the use by dates, 
on food items?
Are any of you successful with such things, on a regular basis?
If so, could you please offer tips on how to do this?

Any help is much appreciated. If I have friends that can help me, I do take 
advantage of this. But the help is limited.

Thank you,

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RE: Is Instacart accessible via iPhone or Jaws

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

It is also accessible with JAWS.  Sometimes we use JAWS and sometimes we access 
it via the iPhone, but either way, it works well.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Scott
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Instacart is very áccessible on the iPhone. My wife and I use it every month 
for our groceries.
Wayne Scott



On Apr 8, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Amy Ruell 
mailto:aru...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Thanks.
Amy


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Instacart is accessible via iPhone.  I use it all the time.
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Subject: Is instacart accessible via iPhone or Jaws

Hello all,
I don’t use this app/program, but need to know as we are giving someone a gift 
card.
Thanks.
Amy

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Widget on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

As of a recent update on my iPad mini, I am noticing a widget that periodically 
shows up which says "waiting widget".  It then seems to disappear after a short 
time.  Then if I am in an app and come back out to the home screen, it is there 
again.

As another person posted, several other strange widgets had showed up after 
updating to IOS 15.  I was able to remove those by the double tap and hold 
method, but I don't seem to be able to do anything with this waiting widget.

Does anyone know what it is for or how to remove it?

Thanks,
Pam

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RE: Difficulty Ordering with Doordash App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Thanks, Debbie.  I was afraid of that.  I thought I had it working when 
flicking from the bottom up instead of top to bottom, but it still wouldn't let 
me pick the item.

We have had good luck with Uber Eats, but unfortunately the restaurant we want 
to order from only uses Door Dash.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
Downey
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 6:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Difficulty Ordering with Doordash App

HI Pam,

This app has had its accessibility problems for a long time.

I also have an iPhone 8 and I can reorder items but I can't buy anything new. 
I've had the same experience just last night; tried to add 2 cookies to my cart 
from McDonalds and when I double tap on the item it doesn't go anywhere.

When I went into my cart they asked if I wanted to add anything and 2 cookies 
just happened to be on the list of things you could add and this time it worked.

Debbie

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Difficulty Ordering with Doordash App

Has anyone had success ordering from DoorDash recently?  It seems this app is 
very hit or miss as far as accessibility.

When trying to flick through the available items, focus jumps to other places 
on the list.  Also, if I do land on an item I want, double tapping it to choose 
it seems to do nothing.

I have an iPhone 8, so this is not the issue with the screen describe feature 
(if that is the correct name).

Any tips would be helpful.

Pam


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Difficulty Ordering with Doordash App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Has anyone had success ordering from DoorDash recently?  It seems this app is 
very hit or miss as far as accessibility.

When trying to flick through the available items, focus jumps to other places 
on the list.  Also, if I do land on an item I want, double tapping it to choose 
it seems to do nothing.

I have an iPhone 8, so this is not the issue with the screen describe feature 
(if that is the correct name).

Any tips would be helpful.

Pam


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Re: [GreenYouth] Press Release: Process for formation of ‘National Kisan Commission’ announced

[Jayaprakash Nd]

Thanks Sasi

On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, 13:31 KP Sasi,  wrote:

> Published. Kindly share and circulate.
>
> https://countercurrents.org/2021/11/national-kisan-commission/
>
> K.P. Sasi
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 4:57 PM Gopal Krishna 
> wrote:
>
>> *Nation for Farmers *
>>
>> *Press Release, November 25, 2021*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Nation for Farmers** (NFF)** announce**s** the process for formation of
>> a ‘National Kisan Commission’*
>>
>> Nation for Farmers and other collaborating platforms and organizations
>> announce the process of formation of a ‘Kisan Commission’ to assess and
>> report on the state of agriculture. As the challenges facing the farmers of
>> all the different states and sectors encompassed by agriculture and allied
>> sectors providing incomes to various sections of the farming populations in
>> India the Kisan Commission will be holding a process of public inquiry in
>> collaboration with the organizations of different types of farming across
>> the length and breadth of the country.
>>
>> Why a Kisan Commission? Because Commissions set up by officialdom have
>> been buried whenever their recommendations ran counter to government and
>> corporate interests. The National Commission for Farmers, more popularly
>> known as the ‘Swaminathan Commission’ chaired by eminent agro-scientist Dr.
>> M.S. Swaminathan, suffered this fate. The commission’s important
>> recommendations remain immensely popular with farmers everywhere in the
>> country. Some of those – especially those relating to formulation of a
>> Minimum Support Price for crops – remain to be addressed immediately to get
>> the farmers to return to the states.
>>
>> It is 16 years since the Swaminathan Commission submitted the first of
>> its five reports to the government. Though there were repeated calls for a
>> special discussion in Parliament, both the UPA and NDA refused to dedicate
>> even minimal time for debating the report’s recommendations in Parliament.
>> For years now, the Nation for Farmers platform has been calling upon the
>> government to organize a special session of Parliament to discuss the
>> report and related issues in the context of the ongoing agrarian crisis
>> that has claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of farmers these past
>> two decades.
>>
>> The first report of the Swaminathan Commission was submitted in December
>> 2004 and the last in October 2006. Not a day was spent by parliament in
>> discussing arguably the most important report on agriculture in this
>> country’s independent history. And now 16 years have passed, new and
>> pressing issues combined with earlier existing ones that have sharpened
>> seriously (such as climate change, indebtedness and more) – it calls for a
>> new status report.
>>
>> Also note the futility of other ‘official’ commissions. The Supreme Court
>> of India ordered the formation of a committee to study the problems of the
>> farmers and offer solutions. It was packed with self-declared supporters of
>> the farm laws. Now, with the government saying it will repeal those laws in
>> parliament, members of the committee themselves acknowledge its
>> irrelevance. Meanwhile, the media continue to assert that only
>> pro-corporate measures can be called ‘reforms.’
>>
>> Kisan organizations have the challenge of consolidating the
>> people-centric platform around the labor organizations, women organizations
>> environmental groups, social movements and a variety of rights based
>> platforms and networks of citizen groups involved with the struggles taking
>> place around access to food and nutrition, holistic health, transformative
>> education and safe environment, forest rights and revitalization of rural
>> industries and value added agricultural activities taking place at the
>> local level.
>>
>> The National Kisan Commission’s idea is to create a robust vision and
>> strategy of agrarian transformation with the active participation of
>> farmers’ organizations with the aim to integrate the agenda of politics of
>> food diversity, ecological sustainability, equity and social justice into
>> the process of agricultural transitions without being influenced by
>> corporate capital.
>>
>> The National Kisan Commission will have some of the most eminent farmers
>> and agrarian intellectuals on it. The final composition of the Commission
>> will need a little time to determine. It will represent farmers from all
>> across the country. It would also encourage state-level kisan commissions
>> that could conduct studies, investigations, and hearings across the nation
>> amongst the agrarian classes and groups.
>>
>> The Nation for Farmers has begun the formation of this Kisan Commission.
>> The Swaminathan report was the product of a group of eminent experts set up
>> by the government that consulted widely amongst farmers and others. The
>> Kisan Commission will be set up within the consent and control of farmers
>> themselves and consult experts and others – and create joint 

RE: new iPhone

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

That is a very cool feature that I didn't realize the Bard Mobile app had.  
Thanks for mentioning it.  




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 2:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new iPhone

The nice thing about bard, is that it is completely free.  It doesn't
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has a great feature that once on a book title of your bookshelf, you
can swipe down for additional options, like author, more info which
would tell you the summary of the book, an option to see all books by
that author that bard had, or all books in a specific category, or all
books in a specific series.  Very cool.

On 11/16/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> So with this book service,
> Do you have to purchase the books or is it a book like service where you can
> lone the books for a specific time?
>
>  I'm not sure this is a service we can get in NZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Charles Spicer
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2021 3:40 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
> Not to mention BARD keeps track of your downloaded books!
>
> On 11/15/21, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
> wrote:
>> If I want to re-read a BARD book, I just download it again from BARD.
>> Am I missing something here?  Just curious.
>>
>> Pam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 5:28 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>>
>> The minie's don't have good enough battery life for me.  That's the
>> point when it comes to bard books.  You can either stream or download
>> audible books, however, you can't do that with bard books.  The only
>> place you can keep your bard mobile books is on your iPhone.  I really
>> hope that will change.  I hate the thought of all my downloaded books
>> only on one device not backed up.  Of course, I always make sure my
>> bard book is backed up to my external hard drive.  However, I have to
>> redownload that book again to my external hard drive if the only copy
>> of the book is on my iPhone.  Of course, I have to make sure my
>> external hard drive is also backed up in case something goes wrong
>> with my drive.  It is very interesting about these new iPhones that
>> will be coming in future.  You can just do so much cool stuff with
>> them.
>>
>> On 11/15/21, Paula Jordan  wrote:
>>> I have a 13 mini and love it.
>>> God bless!
>>> Paula and the pups
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Carolyn
>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:46 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>> I have a friend, hwo loves her 12 Mini. I want to get a 13 after the
>>> first of the year or maybe next spring.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 9:11 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>> I heard the minis were going as the 12 mini didn't really take off
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about he 13 mini,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the SE I was under the impression it was going to stay
>>>
>>> And be renewed  every couple of years as an entry level lower cost
>>> device.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 2:24 pm
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't recall readin gthis. Most articles say that there won't be
>>> an iPhone SE or Mini any more after next year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>>> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
>>> Sent: November 14, 2021 2:38 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: RE: new iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Interesting article,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

RE: new iPhone

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

mance of the A16 chip (as well as the new chips they use in their Mac
> computers of course).
>
> In the below Mac Rumors article all of these rumors are nicely summarized
> and explained, but this article does not mention another one I saw recently
> where they expect that the iPhone 14 will use a chip based on 3 Nanometer
> architecture which could have up to 40 cores, I assume that if this won't be
> in the iPhone 14 it will be in the iPhone 15 in 2023.
>
> Another rumored featured I look forward to is the ability to send emergency
> messages by satellite if no cellular connectivity is available. There are
> currently devices which can do this like the Garmin Inreach family of GPS's,
> the "Zoleo" satellite communicator and the Spot X Satellite Communicator.
> Inreach and Zoleo use the Iridium Satellite network, Spot uses Globalstar.
> The rumor is that the iPhone 14 will use a chip from Qualcomm which has
> satellite capabilities and this would be a pretty big deal for many who live
> in remote areas or who venture out for outdoor activities up here in Canada
> where often you have no cellular coverage. Actually, there are often
> emergency situations where people from Vancouver who are not at all equipped
> and capable go on hikes in the Northshore mountains just outside Vancouver
> because they see some nice picture on Instagram and want to experience the
> place and then they end up in some situation where Search and Rescue has to
> come get them and even there just a few miles outside Vancouver you often
> have valleys and areas in the mountains where cell coverage just doesn't
> exist.
>
> Anyways, here is a link to the article:
>
>
>
> iPhone 14: Everything We Know | MacRumors
> <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.macrumors.com%2Froundup%2Fiphone-14%2Fdata=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C94667057b0f94d0cb0f108d9a8873893%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C1%7C637726120998626429%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=55dA%2F8bysTfclUJnUz361KX7RGx%2By%2BorAMlLpq0nvNU%3Dreserved=0>
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>
>
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: November 14, 2021 10:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: new iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does the 13 Pro Max have LiDAR? Also how is the battery life?
>
> Thank you so much for any help you can be. On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 11:38 AM
> goshawk on horseback  <mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>   I know what you mean, as had the same issue with my old iPhone X and my 
> new
> 13pro. yes, there should be some sort of better audio and/or tactile
> feedback to help us with things like this, and the same when one gets a new
> apple watch, as one can often have the same problem then as well.
>
>   
>
>   Simon
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   - Original Message -
>
>   From: sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>
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>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
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>   Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
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>
>   Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 3:52 PM
>
>   Subject: new iPhone
>
>   
>
>   Hi all:
>
>   Just purchased a 13 Pro Max. Let me tell you, transferring the 
> data from
> my 8Plus is a pain. Took me forever to line up the pairing circles. Wish VO
> would give haptick feedback when you are lining them up. So far, I like the
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RE: Merlin, Bird Identification app from Cornell Labs

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Richard,

Yes, I wrote the list recommending this app.  It is far superior to any other 
bird id apps I have tried.  I agree about the quality of the bird songs they 
have.  When I record a bird call, their identification has been much better 
also.  I like that once a bird call I record has been identified, I can go to 
their list of birds, search for the bird it identified, and listen to the 
recorded call in the app to confirm that it identified the correct bird.

For anyone interested in birds, this is definitely worth a try.

I didn't realize they had a digital magazine.  I will look into that.  Thanks 
for that info.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Merlin, Bird Identification app from Cornell Labs

I'm sorry I don't recall right now who first mentioned the Merlin app, but 
thank you.  It may have been Pam?

In any case, I am impressed with how the app works and the sound quality of 
their bird recordings.

I decided I wanted to support them once I confirmed that the Cornell Labs 
really is connected to Cornell University and how much they are doing for Bird 
protection and revitalization.

I wrote them with a question because one of the benefits of supporting them is 
a digital Bird magazine they produce.  I was concerned about the accessibility 
of a digital magazine.

It took a couple of weeks to get an answer, but the answer came today and they 
said, and I quote, "I checked with our staff and they don't know anything about 
Screen Readers, but here is a link to the digital magazine so you can check it 
out."

I checked it out.

And, while they may not know anything about screen readers, they have produced 
a fully accessible magazine.  They clearly have smart people who actually pay 
attention to current web accessibility standards.  The pictures have good 
alt-tags that describe them in some detail, but not too much.
All the articles are accessible.

Their web site for setting up your membership is mostly accessible other than 
one key element.  Picking the level you want.  So, I got sighted help for that.

Whether you want to support them or not, the app is truly excellent.

Here is the link:
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RE: Bird Identification App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I hadn’t actually provided them with an email address yet, so I didn’t know 
they had a video.  The app seems fairly intuitive so far.

Once you have a pack, you should see a button that says “sound id”.  Double tap 
on that, and then double tap on the “microphone” button if you want to record a 
bird call to be identified.  I have found that it may help to point the phone’s 
microphone toward where you are hearing the bird.  Double tap stop when you are 
done.  Then you can see what matches the app found.  If you double tap on the 
“supported birds” button, there is a list of birds, which if you tap on one, 
you get a description and can play a sample of their call.

I do see now that it isn’t letting me into the app without entering an email 
address, so I will see what email I get from them.  For some reason, it hadn’t 
been forcing me to enter an email address until now.  No big deal though.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Outman
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bird Identification App

There should be a get button if you swipe right from the name of the pack.  I 
had Southeast United States, United States and Canada, and then all, going from 
left to right.  VoiceOver should speak that it is a get button.  You can track 
the progress and the page in the app will let you know your progress and when 
it is installed.

I haven’t actually used the app yet.

The Cornell Lab of Ornothology, who sponsors the app, has started sending me 
emails.  One includes a video about how to use the app, but I assume it is 
oriented to the sighted.  We’ll see ow helpful it is.

Bill Outman



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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of martin nelson
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Bird Identification App

Hello; I download the app and selected my pack of birds but I cannot find the 
button to download that pack. Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you.
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

I have been trying to find a good bird id app without much success until now.

I heard about the Merlin Bird Id app and have been trying it out, and so far I 
am quite pleased with it.

They have packs that you can download of birds in different geographical areas. 
 So far, I have just downloaded the one for my area to try it out.  It actually 
has identified some birds which other apps were not able to id.  They had 
recently added the ability to identify birds from you recording the bird call 
you are hearing.  They also list the common birds in your area, and if you 
choose one, you can hear a recorded bird call that someone has contributed to 
the app.

So far, I am impressed, especially compared to some of the other apps I have 
tried.  I just wanted to pass this along in case anyone is interested.

Pam

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RE: Bird Identification App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

You are most welcome.  We live close to the Gulf of Mexico, so there are a lot 
of water birds around, and it is interesting finally having an app which does a 
decent job at identifying them.  I hope you get a chance to enjoy it.



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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bird Identification App

Hi Pam,

I live in deep East Texas where we have millions of birds.  But, our apartment 
maintenance had to cut down 5 large trees near my apartment.  Now, most of the 
birds are gone. *groan.

But, this coming spring, I should get a better chance to check out this app.

Many thanks for the suggestion.

James B

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Bird Identification App

Hi James,

We live in the U.S., in Florida.  Lots of birds around here.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 7:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Bird Identification App

Pam,

May I ask you what part of the world do you live in.

Regards,

James B

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 12:49 PM
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Subject: Bird Identification App

Hi,

I have been trying to find a good bird id app without much success until now.

I heard about the Merlin Bird Id app and have been trying it out, and so far I 
am quite pleased with it.

They have packs that you can download of birds in different geographical areas. 
 So far, I have just downloaded the one for my area to try it out.  It actually 
has identified some birds which other apps were not able to id.  They had 
recently added the ability to identify birds from you recording the bird call 
you are hearing.  They also list the common birds in your area, and if you 
choose one, you can hear a recorded bird call that someone has contributed to 
the app.

So far, I am impressed, especially compared to some of the other apps I have 
tried.  I just wanted to pass this along in case anyone is interested.

Pam

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RE: Bird Identification App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi James,

We live in the U.S., in Florida.  Lots of birds around here.



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Pam,

May I ask you what part of the world do you live in.

Regards,

James B

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 12:49 PM
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Subject: Bird Identification App

Hi,

I have been trying to find a good bird id app without much success until now.

I heard about the Merlin Bird Id app and have been trying it out, and so far I 
am quite pleased with it.

They have packs that you can download of birds in different geographical areas. 
 So far, I have just downloaded the one for my area to try it out.  It actually 
has identified some birds which other apps were not able to id.  They had 
recently added the ability to identify birds from you recording the bird call 
you are hearing.  They also list the common birds in your area, and if you 
choose one, you can hear a recorded bird call that someone has contributed to 
the app.

So far, I am impressed, especially compared to some of the other apps I have 
tried.  I just wanted to pass this along in case anyone is interested.

Pam

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RE: iPad Question?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Yes, I don’t think I ever use containers when navigating on my phone, but I use 
them a lot for getting around the iPad.  Before I got in the habit of using 
them, I found the iPad navigation very cumbersome.



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And the dock is also its own container and as Richard said, especially on the 
iPad I think using containers is very important and necessary.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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I think the iPad dock is usually at the top.
So, most things you think of on an iPhone at the bottom, are at the top on the 
iPad.




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Thanks much, Richard.
May I also know the dock location in iPad, please?
Thanks!


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When in settings, the main settings list is on the left, whatever is selected 
there, will show up on the right hapf of the screen.
Navigating by containers may help, but just touch on the right half of the 
screen and you should find what you want.


Richard
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On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Fazil 
mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Group.
I have iPad Mini.
This morning, I asked Siri to go to Accessibility in Settings and she opened 
accessibility. I turned Audio description on there and then I ended being out 
of that Accessibility settings. I tried to go back there but I could not 
because Voiceover kept saying selected with Accessibility and VO did not open 
Accessibility for me I kept it double-tapping though. So, can I not open 
anything selected in Settings in iPad?
Thanks!

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Bird Identification App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

I have been trying to find a good bird id app without much success until now.

I heard about the Merlin Bird Id app and have been trying it out, and so far I 
am quite pleased with it.

They have packs that you can download of birds in different geographical areas. 
 So far, I have just downloaded the one for my area to try it out.  It actually 
has identified some birds which other apps were not able to id.  They had 
recently added the ability to identify birds from you recording the bird call 
you are hearing.  They also list the common birds in your area, and if you 
choose one, you can hear a recorded bird call that someone has contributed to 
the app.

So far, I am impressed, especially compared to some of the other apps I have 
tried.  I just wanted to pass this along in case anyone is interested.

Pam

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RE: iPad Question?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I have an iPad mini.  It’s not the very newest one but the one prior to that.  
My dock is actually at the bottom of the screen, like my iPhone.

I do find that navigating by containers can really be helpful on the iPad.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPad Question?

I think the iPad dock is usually at the top.
So, most things you think of on an iPhone at the bottom, are at the top on the 
iPad.




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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil
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Subject: RE: iPad Question?

Thanks much, Richard.
May I also know the dock location in iPad, please?
Thanks!


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: iPad Question?

When in settings, the main settings list is on the left, whatever is selected 
there, will show up on the right hapf of the screen.
Navigating by containers may help, but just touch on the right half of the 
screen and you should find what you want.


Richard
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On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Fazil 
mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Group.
I have iPad Mini.
This morning, I asked Siri to go to Accessibility in Settings and she opened 
accessibility. I turned Audio description on there and then I ended being out 
of that Accessibility settings. I tried to go back there but I could not 
because Voiceover kept saying selected with Accessibility and VO did not open 
Accessibility for me I kept it double-tapping though. So, can I not open 
anything selected in Settings in iPad?
Thanks!

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RE: iPhone accessible thermostat preferably with Echo capability?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Alan,

We recently got an Ecobee thermostat which was recommended by our HVAC company 
and it works with our Trane air conditioner.  I do not remember the specific 
model offhand, though.

My husband and I are both blind, and after the initial setup, we have had no 
issues using it with their app or Alexa.   The only time we needed sighted help 
was during the setup process to enter the WIFI information directly on the 
touch screen of the unit.  There may have been a way around this that we might 
have missed at the time, but a call to AIRA helped get this part done.

Anyway, we are very happy with this unit.

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone accessible thermostat preferably with Echo capability?

Alan,
Open the Amazon Alexa app on your phone and go to add new device and select 
thermostat and it will ask you for the brand and give you a pretty long list of 
brands.

That might help.
The company should be able to tell you which thermostats work with your new 
system that are Wi-Fi compatible.

HTH,



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: iPhone accessible thermostat preferably with Echo capability?

Check to see what thermostats the installer carries that work with the Total 
Connect comfort app.  Certainly many of the newer Honeywell thermostats will, 
but I know other brands also work with it.
You should be able to find out quickly if they work with Echo devices by 
opening the add device and click on thermostats, and I think it offers a list 
of potential thermostats.  I can check after a while, but wanted to get this 
sent since you are on a tight time frame.




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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
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Subject: iPhone accessible thermostat preferably with Echo capability?

Hi List,

Unfortunately, I'm having to replace my central heating and air conditioning 
systems. I don't have the specific manufacturer make and model of the system 
I've chosen but it is made by Trane. Since a new thermostat is required with 
the new system, it makes sense to get one that is accessible with my iPhone and 
also works with my Amazon Echo so that the installers of the new system can 
install it at the same time. I'm dealing with a tight timeframe since the 
installation process starts tomorrow.

I know this topic has come up repeatedly but I'm hoping someone would not mind 
reposting their recommendation for accessible thermostats. Any comments on 
which systems are required to work with a particular accessible thermostat are 
also needed.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Alan Lemly
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RE: How can I turn off the curtain?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

Three finger triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:17 AM
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Subject: How can I turn off the curtain?

Hello,

My iPhone 6S has the curtain on, and I don't remember how to turn it off.
4 fingers 4 taps? I tried this, but it didn't work out.

Rena
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Hunter Sprinkler Timer Accessibility

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

We are looking into getting a new timer for our sprinkler system.  The company 
who is doing some work on our sprinklers is recommending the Hydrawise system 
from Hunter.  Can anyone comment on its accessibility?

If anyone has other recommendations, that would also be appreciated.  I believe 
I recall Rachio previously being mentioned as being fairly accessible.

Thanks for any thoughts on this.

Pam


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RE: Turning off and then back iPhone

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Also, if you are on certain phones, for example the iPhone 8, you can turn the 
phone off by pressing and holding the side power button by itself until you 
hear the "power off" option.


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Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 4:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Turning off and then back iPhone

As for turning off the phone, there are only 2 ways:

1. Settings > General > Turn off iPhone, to speed it up a bit you can ask SIRI 
to go to General Settings, then do a 4-finger ap near the bottom of the screen 
and focus should be on the Turn off button. Of course after you tap it you 
still have to tap the "Power Off" button.
2. Press and hold the Side Button and Volume Down for a second or so, focus may 
not be on the Power Off button and you have to be a bit careful in case it is 
on Emergency Call, just flick left a couple of times and you should be on Power 
Off.

As for turning it on there are also 2 ways:

1. Press and hold the side button and count to about 5 or 6, then let go and 
wait about 15 seconds and Voiceover should come on.
2. You can plug the phone in to a Lightning cable attached to power or put it 
down on a wireless charging pad, as soon as charging starts it will also power 
up your iPhone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: August 26, 2021 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Turning off and then back iPhone

Is there another way to turn my iPhone off other then going to settings? Also I 
seem to take forever to get it back on. Any good tips when pressing the side 
button? I would love it 2 vibrate when the Apple appears e

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: iPad as a Productivity Tool

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Joe,

I do have an iPad and enjoy it, but there are still some things I find much 
easier to do on a PC.  

You can navigate by headings in a browser,but I know of no way to do this 
without using the rotor.

I also am a heavy user of the Find feature with JAWS on web pages and am not 
aware of an equivalent in IOS.  I would love to be proven wrong on this.

I also need to use Excel and Word quite a lot, which I find much easier on the 
PC.

So it really depends on what you want to use it for, in my opinion.

Pam




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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:47 PM
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Subject: iPad as a Productivity Tool

Hi, I'm hoping someone can help educate me on the practical use of an
iPad, a topic I know comes up routinely on the list. I have an iPhone,
understand the benefits of iOS and the great progress of Voiceover.
I'm still on the hunt for a productive tablet though and wonder if the
iPad has improved in the past couple years, understanding of course
that "improvement" is purely subjective.

First, have we made any progress with web browsing on iOS? That is to
say, with a Bluetooth keyboard, have we improved the ability to do
things like jump from heading to heading or navigate by paragraph
without using the roter?

Second, regarding document editing, is Ulysses still the best editing
app out there? I'm looking for something to integrate well with
Dropbox and is able to accept Markup language. I'd rather pay a lump
sum as opposed to a subscription plan, but if Ulysses is still the
best bet, I'd be curious to know this.

Yes, I am guilty of wanting to see some of the JAWS ease of use on
iOS, which I know is not possible or fair. Still, I am a creature of
habit, and if my only recourse is to circle back to PC tablet options,
I'll do so. The iPad is always back there in the back of my mind, and
if you've picked it up as your tool of productivity, I'd love to hear
from you.

Thank you kindly in advance,

Joe


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RE: Walmart app question.

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I am assuming it must be referring to Walmart grocery delivery, in which case 
there would be a place to enter a tip, like the other grocery delivery apps.  
But since I don’t use it, it is an assumption.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bill 
Gallik
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 8:48 AM
To: viPhone  
Subject: Re: Walmart app question.

This thread has me quite baffled.  I’ve been using the iOS WalMart app for a 
number of years and have never encountered a “Tip” request.  In fact, I have 
encountered the button that asks if one would care to donate to one worthy 
cause or another (that I always activate).  Where would this “Tip” item be 
located?


On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:24 AM, kitty hevener 
mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Yes, custom means u put in an amount that u want to tip

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Re: [pcre-dev] Typo about (?^)

[ND via Pcre-dev]

On 2021-06-20 11:27, Philip Hazel wrote:

A little bit further up from what you quoted, the docs say this: "The two
"extended" options are not independent; unsetting either
one cancels the effects of both of them."  So (?-x) and (?-xx) are the
same, and unset both (?x) and (?xx).



I apologize for my carelessness.

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[pcre-dev] Typo about (?^)

[ND via Pcre-dev]

PCRE docs say:

If the first character following (? is a circumflex, it causes all of  
the above options to be unset. > Thus, (?^) is equivalent to (?-imnsx).



There is "xx" option. So may be docs have a typo?

- "all of the above options"   ->   "all of the above options but xx"
- or "(?^) is equivalent to (?-imnsx)"   ->   "(?^) is equivalent to  
(?-imnsxxx)"


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RE: Insta pot

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

I don't know if the Instant Pot Duo is still being sold.  This does not have 
any connectivity to mobile devices, but once you learn what the buttons are, it 
is useable by a blind person.  I have one, and can use it without issues.  Of 
course, it doesn't have all of the nice things that you would get if it 
connected to your phone.

Pam



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Penny 
Reeder
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Insta pot

Unfortunately, it is not accessible, and the company has no plans to upgrade 
the app. They currently still sell a WiFi-controlled model, but it gets less 
than stellar reviews for accessibility, and the company is not even 
recommending that model to current shoppers. It made me very sad to send my 
bluetooth IP home with  

 My sighted daughter. Of course, i am happy she can use it. But, i am very 
unhappy about not having a useable pressure cooker. PennySent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Yes 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 10:51, Lynda Ingraham  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning everyone,
>> 
>> I was wondering if the Insta pot is still accessible with the iPhone app. If 
>> so, which models? Thank you in advance.
>> 
>> Lynda
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [pcre-dev] Capture not reset inside recursion

[ND via Pcre-dev]

On 2021-06-06 05:53, Zoltán Herczeg wrote:
ND I think you have found a pretty nice Perl bug, maybe you could report  
it to them.


Zoltan, thank you for great investigation.
Now I sure it looks like a Perl bug.

Everybody feel free to report it. My English is bad and I have much  
difficulties with reporting and further conversation.


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[pcre-dev] Capture not reset inside recursion

[ND via Pcre-dev]

Here is pcretest listing:


PCRE2 version 10.35 2020-05-09
/(?:(a)?\1)+/
aaa
 0: aaa


Expected result:
 0: aa

Perl result:
 0: aa

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RE: Thermostats for the Blind

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Mike,

We got the Eco-Bee thermostat a few weeks ago and do like it so far.  It can be 
operated via the iPhone or through their website.  We have had a few issues 
with our AC, and like the fact that you can access logs of any problems it has 
detected.

It was a little quirky getting it set up with WiFi at first.  We ended up 
having to enter the WiFi password on the touchpad on the thermostat, and used 
Aira to assist with that.  There may have been another way to do that , though.

Good luck,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 4:19 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Thermostats for the Blind

Hi All,

I'm in need of a thermostat that can be operated through an app and, is 
accessible.  I forget the Honeywell model people have recommended, but I'm open 
to other suggestions.  I have the VIP talking thermostat, but I can't use this 
since it can't be operated through an app.  This thermostat is for our 2nd 
house and this Is why I need to be able to control it from anywhere.  All help 
is greatly appreciated.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"

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RE: looking for an accessible food ordering app

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi,

We use Uber Eats with no issues.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: looking for an accessible food ordering app

Since the slipping in accessibility of DoorDash, I'm looking for the most 
accessible ordering app. I have uber eats and grub hub and they may be 
accessible though I haven't completed an order with either yet.


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Re: [PATCH] riscv/console: console-config.c update

[ND]

This patch will help use Microchip PolarFire SoC icicle kit with RTEMS
mainline...any plan on when this will be available?

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 11:35 AM somesh deshmukh 
wrote:

> Gentle Reminder.
>
> Hi All,
> Can you please review this patch and let me know if there are any
> suggestions/comments.
>
> Regards,
> Somesh
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Somesh Deshmukh 
> Date: Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:26 PM
> Subject: [PATCH] riscv/console: console-config.c update
> To: 
> Cc: Somesh Deshmukh 
>
>
> - Parsing the sub-node should be available generic not specific to Freedom
>   Arty310 board. If we remove the Freedom Arty macro now, it will lose
>   backward compatibility.The proposed change will retain the backward
>   compatibility and also adds the necessary fix for parsing sub-node.
> ---
>  bsps/riscv/riscv/console/console-config.c | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/bsps/riscv/riscv/console/console-config.c
> b/bsps/riscv/riscv/console/console-config.c
> index d962a5a418..797506a31b 100644
> --- a/bsps/riscv/riscv/console/console-config.c
> +++ b/bsps/riscv/riscv/console/console-config.c
> @@ -91,7 +91,7 @@ static int riscv_get_console_node(const void *fdt)
>  stdout_path = "";
>}
>
> -#if RISCV_ENABLE_FRDME310ARTY_SUPPORT != 0
> +#if ((RISCV_ENABLE_FRDME310ARTY_SUPPORT != 0) ||
> (RISCV_CONSOLE_MAX_NS16550_DEVICES > 0))
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RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the suggestions.  We did try changing the batteries, and that did 
not help.  The only switch we found has the positions labeled “E” and “G”.  I 
have no idea what that means, but we tried changing it from where it was set at 
“E”, and it made no difference.

Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

on the inside of the unit that contains the batteries, there is a 2 position 
cycling switch. You should make sure that it is set to the short cycling 
position. This will make sure that the AC or heating unit runs for a shorter 
period of time. With some installations, the batteries provide the voltage to 
the system. Try changing the batteries and see if this makes a difference.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND<mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Traci,

Quite often, the air conditioner stays on much longer than it needs to.  For 
example, we usually have it set to 76 degrees during the day, and often have to 
turn it to 79 or 80 to get it to shut off, even though other thermometers 
indicate that the temperature we set it for has been reached.  Also, the button 
to tell you what the current temperature is does not work.  We had an air 
conditioning tech out yesterday because our compressor has been cycling on and 
off, and he said the voltage from the thermostat to the outside unit was 
fluctuating.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is the 
problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with no 
problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t get it 
disconnected to come to the new house.

Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I found it 
on this website.

https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.everydaysight.com%2Ftalking-thermostats%2F=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cdad530e06a1542a50c2208d90c3cb765%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637554277186279751%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=4%2F8%2FB0Bg3jKZzszRRu103w%2FgiQFC1C2dzFpgnCTBhPA%3D=0>

Thank you,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Mike,

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have probably 
had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not working 
well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

Thanks,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
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From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
th

RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Traci,

Quite often, the air conditioner stays on much longer than it needs to.  For 
example, we usually have it set to 76 degrees during the day, and often have to 
turn it to 79 or 80 to get it to shut off, even though other thermometers 
indicate that the temperature we set it for has been reached.  Also, the button 
to tell you what the current temperature is does not work.  We had an air 
conditioning tech out yesterday because our compressor has been cycling on and 
off, and he said the voltage from the thermostat to the outside unit was 
fluctuating.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

This is getting just a little bit off topic, but Pam, I’m curious what is the 
problem you’ve been having with the VIP thermostats? I used it fine with no 
problems, as far as I know of, for 10 years. Unfortunately, we couldn’t get it 
disconnected to come to the new house.

Along the talking lines, has anyone heard of HPS talking thermostat? I found it 
on this website.

https://www.everydaysight.com/talking-thermostats/<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.everydaysight.com%2Ftalking-thermostats%2F=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C91135b05df5e43a9491e08d90c00fb43%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637554020624503532%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=7nOUeuYp7B4mwgwtrHdVxM%2F0RkKxwhg3CIwcn5Y2kvs%3D=0>

Thank you,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:47 AM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Mike,

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have probably 
had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not working 
well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

Thanks,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi all, I’m in the market for an accessible thermostat. I cannot decide between 
a smart one or replacing my talking model. What has been your experience with 
smart thermostats and their apps? Some of the below models in the article seem 
way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set programs, be able to 
adjust temperature, or turn off the system.

Thanks for any assistance. Hope you find the article useful.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/best-smart-

RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi Mike,

We have had a VIP Talking Thermostat for years, well actually we have probably 
had three or four of them due to issues with them.  It is again not working 
well, so we are now investigating smart thermostats.

Just curious, which smart thermostat do you have, and what do you find less 
workable about it?

Thanks,
Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of smart thermostats...

Hi Tracy,

We have 2 homes and we have a smart thermostat in 1, and a VIP talking 
thermostat in the other.  If we were to stay in 1 place I would choose the VIP 
Talking Thermostat because of its ease of use and the speaking confirmation of 
setting changes and instructions.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
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From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: Speaking of smart thermostats...

We have a Honeywell model that works quite well.  The schedule section of the 
app is difficult/not worth using with VoiceOver.

But, Once the program is set, you can do adjustments quite easily.

The Ecobee looks like a tech geeks dream but who wants music coming out of 
their thermostat, really?

Check with your utility company, they may have some great deals on smart 
thermostats.

I do not know, even with ours, if you can use Alexa to set a schedule.  I have 
not tried that as I am spoiled by having a sighted wife to do those things.


The one down side of smart thermostats is that if your internet goes down, you 
would have to be able to use the controls on the device to make adjustments.
But, it will still work on the schedule I believe.
HTH,


Richard
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way too feature rich for my needs. I mainly want to set programs, be able to 
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Hi,

Does anyone have experience with using the EcoBee thermostat, either with the 
app or the one that works with Alexa?  Any comments on its accessibility?

Thanks,
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RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Thank you, Richard.  Very nicely described.  Since I hadn't looked into them at 
all, I had no idea they were so different.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

I Pam,
Since the old Airpods fit in your ear, these are probably 30 or 40 or more 
times as large, grin.
They completely cover your ears.  The ear cups are padded and your ear fits 
inside them so the pads are touching your head around your ears, not on your 
ears.
I suppose if someone had extraordinarily large ears they might press on them...

The ear pieces are made of metal and are approximately 4 inches tall and 3.5 
inches wide and the metal part is almost an inch thick, then the padded piece 
is about 3/4 inches thick.
The band that goes over your head is made up of two metal bars that have a nice 
mesh between them that sits on your head and distributes the weight so they do 
not feel that heavy on your head, though when you hold them, they are 
surprisingly heavy. 
The adjustment for the earpieces is also metal and seems to hold the position 
you set it at quite well.
You really have to have them in your hands to fully appreciate them, but I hope 
that helps.

If you have an Apple store in your area that opens up, I'd say go and check 
them out.

Richard

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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them 
> safer or less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
> wearing in public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
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>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing 
>> in public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well d

RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in public when active outside

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Sorry, I may have missed this somewhere and I know I can look up the size, but 
can you give me an idea of how much bigger these are than the older airpods?  
Do they actually cover your ears?  I hadn't really thought about replacing 
mine, but the positive comments are making me interested.

Thanks,
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
public when active outside

It doesn’t scream Apple product. And I don’t think your average mugger type 
would know what they are.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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> On Mar 29, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does the fact that they're space grey make them safer or 
> less likely to be swiped off the top of your head? 
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
> Nalda
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
> public when active outside
> 
> That’s why I got the space grey ones. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
> Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Marty Hutchings  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would be afraid that someone would steel them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Love in Christ
>> Marty
>> The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
>> -Original Message- From: Mich Verrier
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 3:16 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about 
>> wearing in public when active outside
>> 
>> Hi as some one who is toatley blind I would not wair hed phones wile walking 
>> around unless it was in my oan apt but out out and about in the real world 
>> since I need my ers to lissen to the noise of traffic etc. from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Pete Nalda
>> Sent: March 29, 2021 4:14 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Apple AirPod Max, a moral etiquette question about wearing in 
>> public when active outside
>> 
>> Ok. Given the fact transparency is so well done, are any VI folks here brave 
>> enough to wear them walking around?  To me, it might be triggering fodder 
>> for those with their own moral high ground. It’s not like everyone is 
>> listening to Dubstep with the volume at 90%!  Opinions welcomed!  And 
>> without opening Pandora’s box, I’ll admit, I’m kind of a freedom over 
>> compliance kind of person.
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Re: [pcre-dev] Some inconsistency around \0

[ND via Pcre-dev]

After some think I thought that second listing have no inconsistence.
You free to forget about it.
Let's consider only first one.

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[pcre-dev] Some inconsistency around \0

[ND via Pcre-dev]

Here is 2 pcretest listings:


1.
PCRE2 version 10.35 2020-05-09

/a\K.(?0)*/
abac
 0: bac


Expected result: c
Perl's result: c



2.
/a\Kb/replace=-$0-
ab
 1: a-b-


PCRE doc's says about $ substitutions:
"The number may be zero to include the entire matched string."

But really we can see that entire matched string "ab" is not included in  
substitution.

So there is need to change either doc's or pcre2_substitute() behaviour

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RE: siri quit working

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Yes, sometimes mine will act this way if I am on my back deck, although most of 
the time it works fine out there.  So I just figured it wasn't always a strong 
enough signal.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad 
Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: siri quit working

I agree.  Try rebooting your device.
If that doesn't fix it, you may not have a strong enough cellular or wifi 
signal.

- Brad -

On Feb 12, 2021, at 14:56, mailto:cory...@gmail.com>> 
mailto:cory...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is usually a connection issue. Did you try restarting the phone?

Cory

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RE: How do I answer a call and finish a call without voiceover?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

This may sound silly, but the reference to “light dependent” threw me at first. 
 I guess I am just not used to using all of the substitute names for sighted 
people that seem to get used.

I do agree that Richard’s information was helpful, however.



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In addition to asking how a sighted person would answer a phone call on an 
iPhone, rena also said “I need to help my mother who never used an iPhone. I 
changed my 6S for the SE and gave her the 6S to her.” So I thought Richard’s 
information was right on point. Plus if Brad wanted to just highlight the one 
piece of information Richard already included in his email about answering a 
call, he could have done it with something more constructive and accurate than 
“all the references in Richard’s instructions to various VoiceOver gestures are 
irrelevant.”

Just my $0.02.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad 
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I did not say your information was not helpful to new voiceover users. I said 
the information was irrelevant to the original question, which was how to 
answer and end a phone call on iPhone without voiceover being enabled.
When answering questions on these list, I think it's important to keep your 
focus on the question that is being asked by the original poster, and not 
include information that is irrelevant and can cause confusion.
- Brad -

On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:15, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

OK Brad.
Of course it did because that is the kind of things people ask about when they 
have never used a phone, but I am really confused why you said none of it was 
helpful when I said almost exactly what you said about the answering and 
hanging up the phone.
I guess we will agree to disagree about what is helpful.
Or, at least, I will agree to disagree with you.



Richard

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Of course I did. It had a lot of stuff in it that didn't apply to answering the 
phone without voiceover enabled.
- Brad -

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Excuse me Brad, but did you actually read what I posted?
The very first line says, “* VO Gesture for answering the phone, 2-finger 
double tap, Light Dependent Gesture, 1 finger slide left to right, or tap on 
the answer button.”

Perhaps you don’t get the intended humor of referring to sighted users as light 
dependent, but I gave the exact steps you did.
And since the person asking the question had given the phone to her Mother who 
has never used an iPhone, I included the other things that she may end up 
needing to be able to explain to her mother.





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without VoiceOver, all the references in Richard’s instructions to various 
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RE: seven little words

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I actually haven't played this in a long time, so I don't remember how it works.

I am trying to find a help section but don't see one.  Where would I find that?

What about hosta for a type of flower?

Pam



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Dresner
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:25 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: seven little words

Hi,

Isn't verge a kind of flower? I'm not sure about hostages though.

Best,
Anna


> On Feb 7, 2021, at 10:15 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alison, found another two flowers Janet
> 
> On 07/02/2021 15:58, CJ & AA MAY wrote:
>> I struggled to identify the flowers too, Janet. I do enjoy dling this little 
>> puzzles but sometimes the answers are very peculiar.
>> Alison
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
>> Bell
>> Sent: 07 February 2021 15:54
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: seven little words
>> 
>>  sorry if this is a bit off topic but has anybody done the 7 little 
>> words today with the theme "hidden flowers"?  if so please could you tell me 
>> some of the flowers?  I can see only two.  iris and rose Janet
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RE: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

That could very well be the case.  The odd thing is that I had this situation 
way back when and it went away when I updated to IOS 10.  It has been fine ever 
since until the update to IOS 14.4.  I had been on IOS 13.7 before that upgrade.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

I worked with several people who accidentally labeled something and then 
couldn't figure out why it was saying something odd.
You may not have done that, but then again, I do not know how else the page 
icon would be named something else.
One client I had actually did this more than once. They had accidentally opened 
the label field when they meant to do a search, and so whatever they were 
searching for became the label of something else"

Richard


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On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Wow, thank you so much!  That fixed it.  I wonder where that came from in the 
first place, but at least it’s gone now.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Hello,

This sounds like a problem I had when first I updated to IOS 14. Try this and 
see if it helps.

1. On your home screen, flick to the page indicator item, the one that says "1 
of 5" or whatever suits your situation.

2. Do a two-finger double tap and hold. You hold it while your hear 3 beeps and 
then another sound. This is the "label item" gesture.

3. Check the edit field that comes up. In my case, it contained the word 
"contact" when it should not have had any value.

4. If there is something in the edit field, then delete it and key in one space 
into the edit field. Then save it. This fixed my problem.

5. If that edit field comes up blank, then this is not the problem you are 
having and you can just cancel out of the label item operation.

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.

Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.

My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.

Pam

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
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Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna




Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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RE: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Wow, thank you so much!  That fixed it.  I wonder where that came from in the 
first place, but at least it’s gone now.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave 
Clement
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Hello,

This sounds like a problem I had when first I updated to IOS 14. Try this and 
see if it helps.

1. On your home screen, flick to the page indicator item, the one that says "1 
of 5" or whatever suits your situation.

2. Do a two-finger double tap and hold. You hold it while your hear 3 beeps and 
then another sound. This is the "label item" gesture.

3. Check the edit field that comes up. In my case, it contained the word 
"contact" when it should not have had any value.

4. If there is something in the edit field, then delete it and key in one space 
into the edit field. Then save it. This fixed my problem.

5. If that edit field comes up blank, then this is not the problem you are 
having and you can just cancel out of the label item operation.

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB


On Jan 28, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.

Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.

My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.

Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna




Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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RE: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Thanks for the suggestion, Donna.  However, I am still having the same issue.

Unless I am doing something wrong, “describe images” seems to be associated 
with whatever app your finger is on when you turn the rotor to it.

My issue is not specific to an app, but rather the different areas of the 
screen, e.g. the status bar, the main body of the screen, and the doc.

Pam

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

Pam,

Turn the rotor to describe images, while on the Home screen, flick to turnthe 
feature off.

Donna




Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word “cooking” before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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Unwanted Verbage after Upgrading to IOS14.4 on iPad

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi All,

I upgraded to the latest IOS version from IOS 13.7 on my iPad mini.  Now, when 
I swipe to or touch a different area of the screen such as the status bar, the 
main part of the screen, or the doc, it says the word "cooking" before saying 
anything else.  Cooking is the name of a folder I have on my iPhone, but it is 
not on my iPad.

I had similar behavior several years ago, and then it was magically fixed when 
I upgraded to IOS 10, if I am remembering correctly.

I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed this.  I will be making a call 
to Apple accessibility.

Pam



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RE: Apple ID in iPad Mini 5?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I'm not sure if this is your issue, but I remember having a similar issue, and 
something had popped up that may have been blocking it.  I found a dismiss 
popup button, and after double tapping that, the keyboard was back.

Pam


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Hi, Group.
I am trying to enter my Apple ID and password in my iPad Mini5. My password is 
alphanumeric. When I activate number after entering the letters, the keypad 
disappears. Is this a known behavior in iPad Mini 5 or am I doing something 
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RE: Identifying barcodes

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Thanks.  That difference between the apps is good to know.  And yes, I plan on 
using our Galaxy as long as it lasts!


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I’ve only just started using Supersense, so had not noticed the lack of extra 
info.
IN Seeing AI, there is a More Info button in the upper right if more details 
are available.
In the case of Lean Cuisine  frozen meals, the cooking direction is included in 
that more info.

>From what I read on the Envision America web site, they will be supporting the 
>ID Mate scanners database for the foreseeable future, so anyone who has one of 
>them, I wouldn’t stop using it until the database is so out of date that it is 
>useless, which I suspect will be many years before that happens since the 
>database is on the memory card.
Apps like Seeing AI depend on an internet connection to look things up I think, 
so the ID Mate will be as good as the latest database installed.



Richard

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Lelia 
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Subject: Re: Identifying barcodes

The differents between seeing a i and supersense is that seeing a i gives 
cooking directions and so far I've not seen any cooking directions with 
supersense.
Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2021, at 9:44 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 Seeing AI does a very good job. As does SuperSense.
The rule of thumb that I learned from Digit-Eyes' page on scanning bar codes is 
that on cans or bottles with a label, the code is usually near the seam on the 
lower half of the container.
Boxes are usually on the bottom.
Plastic bags are usually near the seam, toward the bottom.
Cans and bottles without labels, you just have to keep turning the container 
until you find it.

Richard

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 Now that Envision America is discontinuing production of its barcode readers, 
I am wondering whether there is any consensus as to which of the  various O C R 
programs does the best job of identifying barcodes.  Frankly, it has been my 
experience that half of the battle is just locating the darn things.
  Don Roberts
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RE: Identifying barcodes

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Will Seeing AI give you directions for cooking in addition to just identifying 
the product?  This is a feature I heavily use on my barcode scanner (galaxy).

Pam


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Don:

Seeing A I has improved their bar code scanner, and it is quite good.

It is also free.

Super
Sense is also pretty good, but it is a paid app.
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Re: Build failure on windows

[ND]

This is what i see

$ /usr/bin/python3-config --ldflags --embed
 -L/usr/lib -lpython3.8 -lcrypt -lintl -ldl

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 3:13 AM Chris Johns  wrote:

>
>
> On 16/1/21 2:10 am, ND wrote:
> > Trying to compile RBS for riscv on windows using MSYS2 fails with
> following error.
> >
> > error: shell macro failed: sh -c "/usr/bin/python3-config --ldflags
> --embed |
> > awk 'BEGIN{FS=\" \"}
>
> What does the command ...
>
>  /usr/bin/python3-config --ldflags --embed
>
> show you in an MSYS2 shell?
>
> > Compiling master branch.
> > Any ideas, what might be wrong?
>
> The output of the command may help.
>
> Chris
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Build failure on windows

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Trying to compile RBS for riscv on windows using MSYS2 fails with following
error.

error: shell macro failed: sh -c "/usr/bin/python3-config --ldflags --embed
| awk 'BEGIN{FS=\" \"}

Compiling master branch.
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RE: Is It Possible to Set Up an iPad out of the Box without Any Sighted Assistance?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I believe on a phone it is a triple click of the side button, or on an iPad 
without a home button, a triple click of the button on the top.



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Sighted Assistance?

How do you turn on voice over on an iPhone without the home button?  I
know I can just hit the home button 3 times on my iPhone 8.  Thanks.
Also, I'm sure apple accessibility will help you with setting up your
apple device.  When I got my iPhone 8, I accidentally locked myself
out of my iPhone because I had trouble entering my passcode.  When I
called apple accessibility, I was told that I would need to reinstall
my iPhone's operating system or something.  This guy, helped me get on
iTunes and walked me through the steps.  Once that was done, someone
else helped me set up my iPhone.

On 1/6/21, Mervin Keck  wrote:
> I have set up both an iPad Mini 4 and an iPad Pro 2018 out of the box. I
> have also set up several watches, iPhones, and a MacBook air out of the box.
> I have a new MacBook Pro coming in a few weeks with the M1 chip and I am
> anticipating setting that up out of the box as well. Soon my journey back to
> the land of all things Apple will be complete.
> Merv
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon
> A Fogarty
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 9:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Is It Possible to Set Up an iPad out of the Box without Any
> Sighted Assistance?
>
> Yeah,
>
>   I've had no sighted assistance setting up any of my apple products.
>
>  Three clicks on the home or power buttons at start up will turn voiceover
> on.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan
> Reese
> Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2021 8:40 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is It Possible to Set Up an iPad out of the Box without Any Sighted
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> Hello,
>
> Kind of a followup to my recent inquiry, if my Life Partner decides to get
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>
> The problem is that we are having a very hard time right now getting an
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> blind customer. So basically, we would be having to get it running from
> square one.
>
> My Life Partner has a very limited amount of partial vision, and I have none
> at all. I do however, have some familiarity with VoiceOver, having had an
> iPad Mini for a few years. So I could likely be of help in setting it up,
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> I would be grateful for any advice on this.
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> Evan
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RE: Is It Possible to Set Up an iPad out of the Box without Any Sighted Assistance?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Evan,

I just got an iPad mini for Christmas, and the setup was no problem.  VoiceOver 
started with triple click home, and you can just follow the prompts from there. 
 I had an older iPad, so I restored an iCloud backup of that to the new mini.  

In short, no vision was needed.

Good luck,
Pam 



-Original Message-
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Reese
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is It Possible to Set Up an iPad out of the Box without Any Sighted 
Assistance?

Hello,

Kind of a followup to my recent inquiry, if my Life Partner decides to get an 
iPad, is it possible to set one up without any sighted assistance?

The problem is that we are having a very hard time right now getting an 
appointment at the Apple store, where they would normally do that for a blind 
customer. So basically, we would be having to get it running from square one.

My Life Partner has a very limited amount of partial vision, and I have none at 
all. I do however, have some familiarity with VoiceOver, having had an iPad 
Mini for a few years. So I could likely be of help in setting it up, once 
VoiceOver has been activated.

I would be grateful for any advice on this.

Evan



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RE: Which bank mobile app is most accessible

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Regions Bank is also accessible.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy Ruell
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Which bank mobile app is most accessible


I use both Chase and Bank of America.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Hi James. The app that I have been using for several years is Chase. I find it 
to be pretty easy to do whatever you need. I hope this works for you.
Sent from my iPhone

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Hello everyone. The bank that my business currently banks that does not have a 
good online interface. Does anyone know of a bank that has a very accessible 
mobile application for iOS, accessible with voiceover? Chase, Bank one, fifth 
third, etc. etc. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you





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RE: Searching in the Instacart App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Interesting.  I am getting different results from both of you.

In the past, I have used the method pointed out by Cait.  However, now when I 
tap on this search button, it brings up the list of sales instead of the search 
box.

I also get different tabs along the bottom of the screen than Richard mentions. 
 I currently do not have an order in the works, but next time I will do some 
more experimenting.

Does anyone know how to get the list of available stores off of the main screen 
once you have started a cart at a particular store?

Thanks,
Pam

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Petty
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Subject: RE: Searching in the Instacart App

Another approach is shown here:

after you have fully entered the store in which you are shopping, you will find 
across the bottom of the screen these buttons: Shop, explore, and Buy it Again. 
At times I also find a button labeled Savings among this group of buttons.

Double tap Explore. You will be taken to a screen with the heading Explore. 
Beneath that heading you will find the word Search followed by the name of the 
store and an ellipsis. Double tap there. Then, you’re in the edit field. Type 
or dictate the name of the item and proceed as you usually do.

Hope this helps.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
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Subject: Re: Searching in the Instacart App

After you select the store you want by double tapping on the store name, the 
search function is there, a few swipes to the right.  Double tap on the search 
and the edit box will pop up for you to either dictate your search or type it 
in.

HTH,
Cait



On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

Hi All,

I don’t know what I am missing, but I can’t find where to search in the 
Instacart app to add something to my cart.  I do not see a Search tab at the 
bottom like I believe there used to be.

The one time I did find a search button, it took me to a page listing all of 
their sales.

Thanks for any help.
Pam



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Searching in the Instacart App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi All,

I don't know what I am missing, but I can't find where to search in the 
Instacart app to add something to my cart.  I do not see a Search tab at the 
bottom like I believe there used to be.

The one time I did find a search button, it took me to a page listing all of 
their sales.

Thanks for any help.
Pam


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[grpc-io] Using libreSSL and grpc in application

[Dilip ND]

Iam creating a C++ application. It uses libreSSL (LibTLS) for communicating 
with some modules and uses gRPC for communicating with other modules. But 
while linking i get the below error. 
Is there any workaround for this.? 
Is it possible to use libreSSL instead of openssl in grpc? (by building .?)

Please advice.
libssl.so.1.1
/usr/bin/ld: warning: libssl.so.48, needed by 
/usr/local/libressl/v3.2/usr/local/lib/libtls.so.20, may conflict with 
libssl.so.1.1
/usr/bin/ld: warning: libcrypto.so.46, needed by 
/usr/local/libressl/v3.2/usr/local/lib/libtls.so.20, may conflict with 
libcrypto.so.1.1
/usr/bin/ld: warning: libcrypto.so.46, needed by 
/usr/local/libressl/v3.2/usr/local/lib/libtls.so.20, may conflict with 
libcrypto.so.1.1  

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RE: outlook app question

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Yes, the native mail app does seem to be fixed as far as the jumping to the top 
after deleting a message, even in IOS version 13.7, which I am still using.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: outlook app question

I don’t think there is.
But, you don’t have the jumping back to the top in the native mail app.
At least, not for me at this point.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Nicki 
Keck
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I never have found a way of doing this.  And actually, in the mail app, I can’t 
figure out how to do it either. I always have to go down the bottom to see 
oldest messages.  If there is a way to have the oldest ones at the top, I’d 
like to know.

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Hi all. I'm using the Outlook app and was wondering if there was a way to 
switch the message order from oldest to newest? When I go through my messages 
and delete one it jumps me to the top of my messages instead of going back to 
the bottom.

Rebecca Ilniski and Marvin
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[ansible-project] deprecation of DEFAULT_HASH_BEHAVIOUR option

[nd]

Hello,

is there any documentation on why this was deprecated? This breaks close to 
all of my ansible roles as well as it results in a full rewrite of the 
inventory for all organisations where I use ansible. I'm using 
"hash_behaviour = merge"

Most of my inventory resides in dictionaries wich depend on getting merged 
on the inventory level. For example I have a "nginx" dictionary with 
"vhost" key in it. I depend on all vhosts from all groups a host is in to 
get merged. I have something like this for nearly all my roles. I could 
rewrite my playbook to merge all dictionaries with a group prefix using the 
combine filter (or similar workarounds) prior to including any roles. But I 
think this results in much less readable playbooks and it definitly results 
in multiple person days of work...

The other option I look into is writing a custom inventory plugin to always 
deep merge dictionaries with the same name, kind of resulting in the 
current behavior.

Anyone else with a similar problem or some insight on why this was changed? 
I was realy taken by surprise when I saw this message. If i could choose, 
I'd prefere deepmerge as default over "replace". It results in better split 
up inventories and more seperation of data in multiple files. "Replace" 
always seemed kind of useless and less useable to me.

Best regards,
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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

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RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Carolyn, you may have had focus on the time in the status bar and that is why 
it kept announcing it.

Pam



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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:37 PM
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Subject: RE: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

That one sounds good, Simon. 

Last night, while in Bible study, I was the first caller on Zoom. While waiting 
for the meeting to start, I checked the time, and somehow or other, from that 
time until we were through, about an hour and 15 minutes later, VO kept 
announcing the time every minute. It was not obtrusive, and I didn't mind, so 
didn't shut it off or try to. I'm not sure what I did to get that started or 
what I would have had to do to get it stopped. 

The chimes for every 15 minutes, especially with different tones sound really 
good. 

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Importance: High

personally, I like timeChime. as one can turn it on and off as required easily, 
and rather than just every hour, you can select every 15, 30, or 60mins for the 
alerts. also you can select different sounds for the 15/45, 30, and hourly 
alerts, meaning that if you can't always take the phone out and look at the 
time, the different sounds will give you a good idea. I use it when I am out 
riding, as with the different sounds, it gives me a good way of telling how 
long I have been out, with out actually needing to take the phone out, or 
fiddle with a watch, whilst I have my hands occupied with lizzie's reins.
the app is completely accessible as well.

Simon


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> hi does anyone hear happen to either use or know of A good App.
>
> That will speak or chime the time on the hour?
>
> That is not A battery hog and is very voice over friendly?
>
> If so can you please share what it is.
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RE: Shipt, was Re: InstaCart App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

We use Instacart most of the time, and the person who delivers our groceries 
has always been the same as the person who did the shopping.  We have been 
happy with the service.

We have also used Shypt, but only once so far.  This also worked out well, so 
no complaints regarding either service.



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Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2020 7:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Shipt, was Re: InstaCart App

It has been our understanding that for Instacart, someone does the shopping and 
someone else does the delivery which we don't like. In shipt, the shopper 
completes the entire process from shopping to delivery.


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Subject: Shipt, was Re: InstaCart App

I think Shipt is in my area, too, but I have never used it. How do the two apps 
compare, both from an accessibility point of view, and in general. Thanks for 
any opinions. 

As an aside, yesterday, somebody was lamenting the fact that in the IOS 13 mail 
app, individual messages can not be trashed. I had to figure out how to do it 
for this reply, to be able to reply to the correct message. Expand the thread, 
and it can be done. There is a delete button in the bottom left corner of the 
screen. I am glad it allegedly will be better soon. 

Arnold Schmidt 
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 20

On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:07 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:

I have a little experience with Instacart and the app and pc interface were 
accessible. Our main experience, however, is with shipt. The people there have 
been very supportive in making their app and pc interface accessible and their 
support people have been quick to respond to any problems we had with the 
shopping or the interfaces.


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Jensen
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Subject: InstaCart App

Hello,

I wanted to write in and ask if anyone in this group has had experience using 
InstaCart? If so, is the app accessible, are the drivers communicative, etc? 
Many thanks.

Holly

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RE: Question About the Newer Phones

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Is tap to wake the same as raise to wake?  I am a little confused on the 
terminology.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
Merritt
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About the Newer Phones

If you have a newer phone without a Home button, then tap to wake will wake the 
screen each time you touch it, which can be annoying especially if the phone is 
in your pocket. Not sure if it is on older phones like the 7 or 8. I suppose 
some may want to see their notifications by touching their phone screen but I 
don't need that, and it can drain the battery with constant triggers.

Wayne

On 8/27/20, Judy Holloway  wrote:
> I think you have to go into Accessibility, then Touch, to find this 
> setting.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Judy
>
> On Aug 27, 2020 1:28 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> Different from Raise to Wake, which is in Display and Brightness. Go 
>> to Accessibility for Pat to Wake and Shake to Undo.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Shirley Baker
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 1:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question About the Newer Phones
>>
>> This isn't the same as raise to wake in brightness, right? Just want 
>> to make sure, as she has already turned that off.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 27, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Shirley Baker 
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My sister who is sighted, has the X phone. She says you just 
>> > barely touch it and it goes all over the place. She has turned off 
>> > raise to wake. She says when she takes her finger and swipes from 
>> > the bottom, it still doesn't help. She believes it is too 
>> > sensitive, especially when texting or taking pictures. Is there a 
>> > way to change the sensitivity of the phone? Any suggestions would be 
>> > appreciated.
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RE: containers and scroll bar

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I have only ever used the containers navigation feature on my iPad.  As Richard 
says, that is where it seems most useful.

For example, if I open Settings on my iPad and then double tap on 
Accessibility, I would choose Containers from the rotor and then swipe down 
once which would land me on the Accessibility section.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Richard 
Turner [richardturne...@outlook.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 12:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: containers and scroll bar

Actually, it is the Rotor.
Containers seem to be most useful on an iPad.
The dock at the bottom of each screen is a container; the main part of the 
screen where your apps are is a container, so it is a particular section of a 
screen.
That's the best I can do for an explanation.
To add or remove things from the Rotor, open Settings, Accessibility, 
VoiceOver, Rotor.
Anything that says selected, will be on the rotor.
If you want to take something off the rotor, where it says something like 
Containers selected; double tap so it just says Containers and it will no 
longer be on the rotor.
The scroll Bar is a new thing that allows you to expose more of the screen.
HTH,




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On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Janet Bell  wrote:


please could someone explain what containers mean in the rota?  and also how to 
add something to the rota, and finally what is the scroll bar for I keep seeing 
it in different places but don’t know why?  any help please  Janet

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RE: Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

the bird is from hearing the 
song, here is a review that you may find helpful.
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If you want one to look up birds and hear what their song is like plus other 
information, check out the free Audubon app.




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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Debby
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 1:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

Hi Pam,

First thanks to James for taking the plunge in answering your email. Those 26 
instances of your email scared me a bit.

Anyway, the bird song identification app I use is "Chirp USA." It has a ton of 
birds and includes bird songs as well as calls. Also, there are good 
descriptions of the songs/call and links to other information about the bird 
for the Cornell ornithology site and Wikipedia.

Take care!

Debby

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James English
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

Hi,

I don't know an app but I think your email might be broken as you sent this 26 
times.

- James

On 7/18/20, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by
their song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one
I did find mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it
will identify the same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Pam


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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
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same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Pam


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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Pam


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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Pam


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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Pam


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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
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same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Pam


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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Pam


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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Pam


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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
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same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Pam


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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
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same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
same song as belonging to different birds at different times.

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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
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Accessible and Accurate Bird Song Identification App

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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
song?  I have tried some that are not very accessible.  The one I did find 
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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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mostly accessible does not seem to be very accurate as it will identify the 
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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has found a good app for identifying birds by their 
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