Sergei Steshenko wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:50:27 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many developers would get bored and move on to hack another OS
with a faster development cycle.
- maybe.
[...] Will I cry ? No.
I could right something much longer, but Yeah, right
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 21:41 -0700, Bill Unruh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
Not really necessary. The kernel module utilities have a provision that
enables you to override the original kernel modules. Just put your
newer kernel modules somewhere in:
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:50:27 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 03:07 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
One of really nice human features is the ability to understand other
person's reason.
I want to be able to install
You have just lost all crdibility for me. Go ahead an run Helenos if that
is what you want. Noone is forcing you to use Linux. Presumably you do so
because you find the benefits outweigh the costs. Now you are saying that
all other benefits should be sacrificed on the altar of your ease in
lists.sourceforge.net;
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Hi Clem
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Claude Yu wrote:
Hi Clemens,
After
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 11:09 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote:
??? It is no snd-riptide driver in alsa. I don't know how mandrake can
found a driver that doesn't exist.
I am affraid at the only thing you can do is to buy a new soundcard if
you want to have sound in linux with your box. Look
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:59:51 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 11:09 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote:
??? It is no snd-riptide driver in alsa. I don't know how mandrake can
found a driver that doesn't exist.
I am affraid at the only thing you can do is to buy
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 19:34 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
Again, try a live-cd distribution first - it's much simpler than
compiling ALSA and probably kernel.
I think the latest Knoppix should be good - apparently the Riptide
driver is rather new, and it will not be in the kernel until
Sergei,
Your mail server keep blocking me, can you fix it?
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Giving up on 194.67.23.20.
Lee
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:59:51 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 11:09 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote:
??? It is no snd-riptide driver in alsa. I don't know how mandrake can
found a driver that doesn't exist.
I am
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 19:34 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
Again, try a live-cd distribution first - it's much simpler than
compiling ALSA and probably kernel.
I think the latest Knoppix should be good - apparently the Riptide
driver is rather new,
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 10:07 -0700, Bill Unruh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 19:34 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
Again, try a live-cd distribution first - it's much simpler than
compiling ALSA and probably kernel.
I think the latest Knoppix
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:52:28 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sergei,
Your mail server keep blocking me, can you fix it?
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194.67.23.20 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 Access from ip address 216.158.38.3 blocked. Visit
Lee Revell wrote:
I think it's a problem that FC5 does not have an RPM package containing
these modules.
I think it's a question of cost of maintenance. FC5 is currently on
2.6.12.20 (although you might be forgiven fo thinking is actually
2.6.16-1.2133_FC5). /proc/asound says that we
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:39:08 +0100
John Haxby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
I think it's a problem that FC5 does not have an RPM package containing
these modules.
I think it's a question of cost of maintenance. FC5 is currently on
2.6.12.20 (although you might be
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 20:39 +0100, John Haxby wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
I think it's a problem that FC5 does not have an RPM package containing
these modules.
I think it's a question of cost of maintenance. FC5 is currently on
2.6.12.20 (although you might be forgiven fo thinking is
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 20:39 +0100, John Haxby wrote:
On the other hand, perhaps someone would volunteer to de-couple the
ALSA modules from the rest of the kernel in the kernel build so that
the ALSA modules can be updated and then we'll get to be able to
install newer versions of ALSA without
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 22:49 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
You are aiming too low.
The true answers are:
1) drivers running in user space;
Agreed. This would help many things. For example it would solve the
binary only driver issue - vendors that feel the need to develop closed
drivers
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:05:40 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 22:49 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
You are aiming too low.
The true answers are:
1) drivers running in user space;
Agreed. This would help many things. For example it would solve the
I'm not going to participate in another binary driver flamewar.
Everything interesting that can be said about the issue has been said.
You're entitled to your opinion.
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 23:40 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:05:40 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 10:07 -0700, Bill Unruh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 19:34 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
Again, try a live-cd distribution first - it's much simpler than
compiling ALSA and probably kernel.
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:42:42 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not going to participate in another binary driver flamewar.
Everything interesting that can be said about the issue has been said.
You're entitled to your opinion.
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 23:40 +0300, Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem as always id dependencies. Have the modules really beendesinged
to work on their own, or do they suddenly have weird dependencies to say
alsalib.
Again and again, fully self-contained binary driver is
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, John Haxby wrote:
Lee Revell wrote:
I think it's a problem that FC5 does not have an RPM package containing
these modules.
.
On the other hand, perhaps someone would volunteer to de-couple the ALSA
modules from the rest of the kernel in the kernel build so that the
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:05:40 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 22:49 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
You are aiming too low.
The true answers are:
1) drivers running in user space;
Agreed. This would help many
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course it can load that way. That is modules are. The problem is that
modules are so intimatley connected with the kernel that a module for
kernel A in general does not have the right entry points for Kernel B.
Bill Unruh wrote:
The philosophy of Mandrake and Redhat has been that updates are for
security concerns, not for upgrading the system. Upgrades are handled by
new releases and that trying to make sure that a particular upgrade works
together with 3 or 4 different distros would be a logistic
Bill Unruh wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, John Haxby wrote:
On the other hand, perhaps someone would volunteer to de-couple the ALSA
modules from the rest of the kernel in the kernel build so that the ALSA
modules can be updated and then we'll get to be able to install newer
versions of ALSA
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 23:05 +0100, John Haxby wrote:
What I was suggesting was pulling out the alsa modules into a
separate
kernel-alsa binary RPM, compiled from the same sources as everything
else. It would then be possible to produce, say, a
kernel-alsa-1.0.11
src.rpm that will produce
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 00:28 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course it can load that way. That is modules are. The problem is that
modules are so intimatley connected with the kernel that a module for
kernel A
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:00:09 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You do realize that freezing the ABI would amount to freezing kernel
development, due to the commitment not to break old binary drivers?
Your scheme would have made it impossible to implement suspend/resume or
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 02:39 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
No, I don't.
I realize that there were Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT,
Windows 2000, Windows XP.
Or Solaris 4..10.
Or whatever.
That is, from time to time binary interface specs get updated as
necessary.
Now,
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 03:07 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:43:42 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 02:39 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
No, I don't.
I realize that there were Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT,
Windows 2000,
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 23:08 +0100, John Haxby wrote:
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
Not really necessary. The kernel module utilities have a provision that
enables you to override the original kernel modules. Just put your
newer kernel modules somewhere in:
/lib/modules/`uname
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 03:07 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
One of really nice human features is the ability to understand other
person's reason.
I want to be able to install updated (ALSA or any Linux for that matter)
driver
with no more clicks/keystrokes I need under Windows - however
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:50:27 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 03:07 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
One of really nice human features is the ability to understand other
person's reason.
I want to be able to install updated (ALSA or any Linux for that
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:43:42 -0400
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 02:39 +0300, Sergei Steshenko wrote:
No, I don't.
I realize that there were Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT,
Windows 2000, Windows XP.
Or Solaris 4..10.
Or whatever.
That is,
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
Not really necessary. The kernel module utilities have a provision that
enables you to override the original kernel modules. Just put your
newer kernel modules somewhere in:
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/updates/
do a depmod -a and those
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
Not really necessary. The kernel module utilities have a provision that
enables you to override the original kernel modules. Just put your
newer kernel
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Claude Yu wrote:
Hi Clemens,
After installing FC-5 distribtion and booting up in dual boot mode
gracefully. It is great. however,
something has made me feel so outrageous similarly to the fate of installing
Mandrake 2006 -- No sound!
I hope that you did not change
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT)
Bill Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Claude Yu wrote:
Hi Clemens,
After installing FC-5 distribtion and booting up in dual boot mode
gracefully. It is great. however,
something has made me feel so outrageous similarly to
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 20:21 -0700, Bill Unruh wrote:
Since Windows runs the soundcard using drivers supplied by the
manufacturer, write the manufacturer to ask why they did not write a
module for Linux.
This is no solution. We need the vendors to test the ALSA code and
contribute patches.
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