It must have been a cookie because at home I get to the site. I think
it is a beautiful building BUT I think one picture on thes ite tells
it all. I think it is the one when you try to go to Virtual Tour. It's
an illustration looking to the shoreline from the ocean. The esperanza
sticks out
This is an excerpt from today's APP story about Springwood Avenue. My
comments follow.
One reason Springwood was not developed is that Philip Konvitz, the
Long Branch millionaire and political power broker who died last year,
controlled about four blocks of land from Memorial Drive to Atkins
We should try to keep it on what going on Present.With the City of Asbury Park
we are getting away from that feeding in to some of these Developers hands.Some
Developers are taking the time to do the right way.Some are putting long days
doing it don't have to.Can sit Home do it on a Computer
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We should try to keep it on what going on Present.With the City of Asbury
Park we are getting away from that feeding in to some of these Developers
hands.Some Developers are taking the time to do the right way.Some are
Since I've been amrketing the Railroad Plaza at the opposite corner,
I've spoken to easily over 500 investors. Easily. Block of 902
Springwood as well.
You have 2 problems here - as is now.
Crime and Drugs.
There is no reason that section can not, and has not, been developed.
Time is
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All one needed to do was to get the waterfront out of
litgation. A master developer was not needed.
Carabetta owed the City over $12 million in taxes (about half of one
year's budget at the time). Carabetta's creditors
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Carabetta owed the City over $12 million in taxes (about half of
one
year's budget at the time). Carabetta's creditors were owed a
fortune.
If I recall correctly the price tag the Bankruptcy Judge put on it
to
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
Mike sees 20,000 middle-class homes
BY LISA L. COLANGELO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Friday, February 24th, 2006
Mayor Bloomberg unveiled plans yesterday for a city version of the
historic Mitchell-Lama housing program that would provide more than
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
Don't forhet that it was a Conn. Judge not a NJ Judge. Which makes a
big difference. That would still be in court. Carabretta held all the
cards except
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Such luminaries as the State of New Jersey, Hovnanian, Westminster
Realty Corp., The Applied Cos.,Berman Development Co. and Kushner
Companies each looked into it and took a pass.
Can you be more specific about
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't forhet that it was a Conn. Judge not a NJ Judge. Which makes a
big difference. That would still be in court. Carabretta held all the
cards except for the tax liens, that's the only card the city had and
they sold
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The ASSUMPTION that the development rights were properly
protected
under the bankruptcy is where the problem is. The City had always
maintained that Carrabetta had defaulted and thus no longer had
those
rights.
A
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For instance, I am uncertain whether the city could have simply
condemned the development rights or was that trumped by the
Bankruptcy Court. I don't think it was tried.
The second part of your answer is correct. The
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... They don't have to make money. That's not their
purpose. We could have purely civic buildings that cost tens of
millions to rehabiliatate. That's the REAL purchase price Partners
was supposed to pay in order to have the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The ASSUMPTION that the development rights were properly
protected under the bankruptcy is where the problem is. The City
had always
maintained that Carrabetta had defaulted and thus no longer had
those
rights.
A
Last kick at the rabid dog.
When you bring it to her ask her why should lied to you. I thougkt
she didn't plea guilty to anything. And Tommy other than a lawyer,
ask any layperson if a person pleaded guilty of Foodstamp Fraud are
they a felon or a disorderly person 90percent would say the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The City wasn't weak, it's argument was. Do your really think the
Bankruptcy Judge would let one creditor (Asbury Park) take back
the
whole asset without Carabetta's other creditors getting
something?
It doesn't
Werner the next time I'm involved in litigation with a Brnkruptcy
I'm going to use your laws. The laws the Bankruptcy Court makes me
use are much tougher. ;-)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1. On the Cab deal, one may say there were some back room deals. Many
professionals walked out of various meetings, muttering to themselves
they couldn't beleive it or they would take what they were told to
their graves. End of an old story. Now what?
2. The city, over the years, had enough
Interesting to watch in Fed bankruptcy court in trenton, 2 bidders,
their 2 attorneys.
One attorney picks up his/her phone. The other attorney's phone rings.
There you sit, millions in real estate up for bid, 2 offers.
Any other offers?
Nope.
Then you leave wondering.
A wink, a blink.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wasn't Jerry. It was Rita and Terry not Jerry read the post.
Last kick at the rabid dog.
When you bring it to her ask her why should lied to you. I thougkt
she didn't plea guilty to anything. And Tommy
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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This is incorrect. Not only does the Bankruptcy Judge have
jurisdiction, once the Petition in Bankruptcy is filed,
jurisdiction
is exclusive to
NEWARK A Monmouth County developer has been indicted on charges that
he paid former Ocean Township Mayor Terrance D. Weldon about $50,000 in
bribes in order to help clear the way for a zoning approval.
Moshe G. Gohar, 55, surrendered to the FBI Friday morning. He has been
indicted on charges
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. Looking back, it all looks like a great deal - but at that point
in
time they did what they did.
I assume you meant to say DOESN'T look like a great deal or that it was
a great deal for Partners.
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NEWARK A Monmouth County developer has been indicted on charges
that
he paid former Ocean Township Mayor Terrance D. Weldon about $50,000
in
bribes in order to help clear the way for a zoning approval.
But nothing
It was a deal for SASS.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On these two issues the following questions pop out. Why were the
taxes never requiered to be up to date by the trustee, Why did the
City never foreclosed for non-payment, Why was a paper contract for
which no money
Let the singing begin.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was a deal for SASS.
So much so that Marty Sass couldn't beleive he got the entire
waterfront so cheap and said so in a magazine article. I loved giving
that article to the Council. Sass crows that even his own real estate
did weldon's prosecutor ever return from China or wherever he went to
when Weldon was to be sentenced.
Someone should go find him.
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I finally got resolution to this matter. Someone raised the question
about what happened to the $1.5 million loan that NJ EDA approved.
Asbury Partners was supposed to use it to acquire 1100 Ocean Ave and
begin resoration on the pavillions. Mark Saldutti from EDA just
confirmed to me that
I Keep asserting that the bankruptcy court had no jurisdiction over
local land use and no one seems to be realizing the significance of
that. ???
Today, after all is said on done, it doesn't matter. That is, unless
there were some other law that enabled this to get done.
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Nice work, Dan.
Interesting the comment:
that they did a $2 billion bond float on cigarette tax revenue for
the state in order to balance the budget...
That is where the state has a conflict to STOP SMOKING. They lose
revenue.
Follows a great story last week where China has stopped new
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's only an asset if it's in force, which goes back to the
dysfunction
of the City not forcing the claim of default. (which was pretty
obvious
when reading the contract). There were no rights to be held in
On 2/24/06 3:48 PM, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I finally got resolution to this matter. Someone raised the question
about what happened to the $1.5 million loan that NJ EDA approved.
Asbury Partners was supposed to use it to acquire 1100 Ocean Ave and
begin resoration on the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On these two issues the following questions pop out.
Why were the taxes never requiered to be up to date by the trustee,
Why did the City never foreclosed for non-payment,
Werner,
When the new council was sworn in 2001, one
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I Keep asserting that the bankruptcy court had no jurisdiction over
local land use and no one seems to be realizing the significance of
that. ???
Today, after all is said on done, it doesn't matter. That is, unless
there
what matters now is to get this headache moving or out - not
renegotiating at the 23rd hour.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that is a separate issue and I don't think that anyone,
including the Bankruptcy Court, suggests that it could dictate local
land use.
But that's exactly what happened. Fishman walked away from the
bankruptcy
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But that's exactly what happened. Fishman walked away from the
bankruptcy with the right to build condos in places where, by zoning,
Carrabetta only had the right to build
commercial/retail/entertainment.
Fishman
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting to watch in Fed bankruptcy court in trenton, 2
bidders,
their 2 attorneys.
One attorney picks up his/her phone. The other attorney's phone
rings.
There you sit, millions in real estate up for bid, 2 offers.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even if a promise to perform, in this case reneged on, satisfies
consideration, my understanding is that unpaid taxes, trump all other
claims; if these points weren't made I can't help wonder what fishy
lawyer acted
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The Bankruptcy Turstee, with the approval of
the Judge, gets to dispose of the contract. Local land use law is
irrelevant.
What do you think, a Federal Judge as to appear before the Asbury
Park
Planning Board
That is why you, Tom, myself and others suggest to the current
council that they shoudl have claimed default already. Fool me once,
shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably
in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on
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what matters now is to get this headache moving or out - not
renegotiating at the 23rd hour.
Exactly. What are they negotiating? What you want is restoration fo the
waterfront (they way you want it) within a certain time
Here is two articles in a local Howell area newspaper about me
versus the Mayor in the Freeholder race.
Hoping you folks could critique me on how I'm stacking up on the
issues. The election is tomorrow morning and the most important
speech is the one right before the whole 775 member
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Woah, now there's a stretch, that local land use law is irrelevent.
Local land use law and zoning are the defacto regulations for land
development and cannot be changed except by appropriate process of
the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nothing trumps federal jurisdiction.
Land use is a unique situation and set of laws the reserve those rights
to the local units.
Werner
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The Halper's got a 90 day stay...
There will be no need to go to the prayer vigil for God has pre empted the
eviction Today.
However:
Let us not slow down. We are gaining momemtum... The Legislators will
have to listen to us and change the laws quickly to protect us.
We all need to send
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here is two articles in a local Howell area newspaper about me
versus the Mayor in the Freeholder race.
Hoping you folks could critique me on how I'm stacking up on the
issues. The election is tomorrow morning and
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Land use is a unique situation and set of laws the reserve those
rights
to the local units.
You're missing the big picture here. The Court did not intrude on the
city's right to set its own land use.
Yahoo!
A year after Kelo
By Linda Chavez
Feb 22, 2006
As anniversaries go, this one might not be up there on your list of
memorable dates, but it should be. One year ago this week, the
Supreme Court heard arguments in a case that someday may affect your
life in a devastating way: Kelo v. City of
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are failing to see the essence here. Local land use is
irrelevant in that it is immaterial to the Court. It does not and
will not try to affect local land use.
Dan, The MOU dictating land use in Asbury Park came
I spent this afternoon in a meeting with Township Officials and a
client whose property the town wants to take by eminant domain and
give to a developer.
It's all around us and getting worse.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A year after Kelo
By Linda
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan, The MOU dictating land use in Asbury Park came directly from the
bankrupcty proceedings and rubber stamped by the Conn Judge.
Yes, in the end run the City is responsible, but the City has always
pointed back to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is what the City agreed to, not what the Court dictated. See,
the
Court allowed the City to determine what the land use should be.
Of course the court did not dictate the land use, but the City used
the cover of the
That's absolutely expected Werner. Dan is right about this. The
Trustee is trying to sell off an asset for the benefit of the
creditors. Remember - the Trustee OWNS the redevelopment rights at
the point in time you are referencing, not Carabetta or the City.
If the MOU induces the sale so
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Would of, could of, should of didn't, so what's your advice now? We
know Dans.
That's absolutely expected Werner. Dan is right about this. The
Trustee is trying to sell off an asset for the benefit of the
I thinks it's you guys that are not understanding this, and keep
lumping the CONRACT (redevelopers agreement) together with the PLAN
(zoning).
I understand and agree that the trustee can hold/sell the CONTRACT
and get the best price.
The trustee has no juresdiction over the PLAN (zoning), nor
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The trustee has no juresdiction over the PLAN (zoning), nor can the
trustee modify the cintract in violation of the PLAN (zoning).
Agreed. It was the city that allegedly acted illegal by letting land
use be dictated by
No Warner, the Trustee agrees to the sale with parties agreeing to
the MOU. It later went to the Planning Board and the Council, etc.,
and a new Redevelopment Agreement completely replaced the MOU, so
the integrity of Land Use Law was protected. If the Developer and
the City never agreed to a
On a different subject, I heard a rumour that Partners is not
negotiating with the city and in fact, has refused to meet except for
the initial meeting. The rumoured position of Partners is that it gave
the budget, plans and schedules (stretching to 2013) to the city and
that is all it is
If all that happends, do you know what will happen to AP? I'll be
able to buy Pat Fasano's $1.3 million house for $150K again.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On a different subject, I heard a rumour that Partners is not
negotiating with the city and
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If all that happends, do you know what will happen to AP? I'll be
able to buy Pat Fasano's $1.3 million house for $150K again.
Explain please. Are you saying if Partners won't negotiate or having
the 1991 plan, or
The opinion maker, unfortunately, is the Abury Park Press. They
couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that the default in this
limited situation was good not bad.
You think they'll take the time to sort out the nuances of what you
point out below? Once they hear the 2002 plan is no
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The opinion maker, unfortunately, is the Abury Park Press. They
couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that the default in this
limited situation was good not bad.
You think they'll take the time to sort out the
I heard a rumour that Partners is not negotiating with the city and
in fact, has refused to meet except for the initial meeting. The
rumoured position of Partners is that it gave
the budget, plans and schedules (stretching to 2013) to the city and
that is all it is doing. It allegedly has no
I'll be able to buy Pat Fasano's $1.3 million house for $150K again.
Tom, (note no mention of blind) I nearly complimented you on one of
your more sensitive, profound and informative replies to Werner;
perhaps running for office has awoken a `kinder/gentler' bishop.
However, let me disabuse
The opinion maker, unfortunately, is the Abury Park Press. They'll
treat it like a nuke went of in the middle of Asbury and every bank
and investor will run for cover.
Ah, once again the suggestion of visual disorder, you make a
curmudgeon proud, who'd a thunk it the justly right, though rarely
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