--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Long before James A. Bradley was even born, Cobblers were crafting
shoes and boots for communities when the family of the Cobbler walked
barefoot or in less than comfortable footwear.
Werner has a personal situation,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Instead of us all getting into another distracting argument, can't
we look at this another
way.
First off, I joined this group to read about AP. It's history,
what's going on in the city,
redevelopment progress,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the ad was from 1903.
Brilliantly is relative.
Asbury Park was on the cutting edge of using new technologies. Two
factors played in
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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Doesn't Ms. Harris' place on the boards have much of the history on
the walls and in books?
That's it?
How about something a bit more
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Thanks for picking up on the word brilliantly...
The old ads are a piece of history themselves. AP was one of THE
destinations.
Imagine if there were hotels or motels for people to say at once they
came in for
Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene?
If we still had as many venues as we once had, and outdoor summer concerts on
the
beach, and the Arthur Pryor Bandshell in use, then we'd plenty to attact people.
The city lost a huge opportunity by letting it's musical
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music
scene?
Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in?
More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people
spending more money.
Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would
actually take
the time to visit just for the Morro Castle?
The Hindenburgh disaster happened at Lakehurst, and people rarely visit the
memorial
there. I'm not sure if the airbase has been closed to the public since
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people
would actually take
the time to visit just for the Morro Castle?
True to an extent.
You need BIG things like BIG entertainment and little things like
Oak is that really an ad for AP from 1903?
The lights were Brilliantly Illuminated until dawn?
That should settle the arguement taking place on this board over
beach front lighting.
I smell complete vindication.
They new back then that visitors wanted a brilliantly lit place at
night so
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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Oak is that really an ad for AP from 1903?
The lights were Brilliantly Illuminated until dawn?
I'll post it tomorrow.
BUT, like werner said, they weren't glaring back then (who really
knows...what people felt
Yeah, I could see a walk thru, well done museum about the Morro Castle, but I
think the
public would need a reintroduction to it, because I doubt many people living
today still
have a conscience connection between AP and that disaster.
AP also has Bud Abbott and Arthur Pryor in it's history.
In a message dated 11/25/2008 10:20:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would
actually take
the time to visit just for the Morro Castle?
If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on
The concept of lighting in our boardwalk area is not a competition about who's
right and
wrong. 1903's Brilliant was much different then 2008, and you can't make a
fair, or
accurate comparison.
And, the discussion about lighting isn't just about how much is appropriate,
it's more
about what
I sometimes feel like I live in a different place than some of the
posters. ap has been crazy busy the past few weekends as far as I can
tell, isn't it ALREADY an attraction. Maybe fun is an attraction.
Feels that way to me. Sat nite Stella looked busy, Paradise was packed
and throbbing with
You're right, AP is an attraction when music events are in town. Without them,
it would be
more of a ghost town.
For me, the point is that it's obvious what will bring new people to the city,
entertainment
and dining.
I think that should be the focus of new PR campaigns. The high end retail
Glenn,
In defense of Werner, you said a LOT in just a few paragraphs! Funny,
Jesus was a victim of His own people, too! This forum, although
mainly about Asbury Park, the City's Redevelopment, the starts, stops,
C8, one and two, the parking meter fiasco, the Wonder Bar, a
successful undertaking,
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're right, AP is an attraction when music events are in town.
Without them, it would be
more of a ghost town.
and come the spring and summer people will be complaing there's not
enough parking, they had to wait to
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BUT, like werner said, they weren't glaring back then
No I reject that.
Look at the ad - it is trying to convey what to the tourist? That
the lights are BRILLIANT and on til DAWN!
It doesn't say we have comparatively dim
You honestly need to take a chill pill and stop focusing on being right
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
BUT, like werner said, they weren't glaring back then
No I reject that.
Look
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You honestly need to take a chill pill and stop focusing on
being right
Stop personalizing.
The ad is objective evidence that supports my contention.
It has nothing to do with me - it's the issue.
And STFU.
Everytime
I also think you are missing the point that the lighting was a novelty back
then.
We've been living with outdoor lighting for more then a century now, and it's a
normal part
of life.
The question in AP is simple - Are the fixtures being used appropriate for the
usage?
Are they cost effective?
Tommy - This isn't a court room, it's a message board. Treat it like one.
I do focus on the issue.
You focus on self promotion, and being right, at any cost. That's why your
discussions go
on and on forever. Because you need things to be the Tommy Show
And that's the last thing I'm going to
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not a drowning accident in its thrity years' existence as a seaside
resort..
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also think you are missing the point that the lighting was a
novelty back then.
Solar.
The figuring out how to produce it cheap as is LED lighting.
Go Green but make it affordable.
LED lighting with solar charging during the day.
I love that idea!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
I also think you are missing the point that the lighting was a
novelty back then.
Solar.
No you can't adhere to it. Oak posted something that supports my
position. I pointed out that history is symmetrical with that
position.
In response, you said nothing about what Oak posted or the position,
or if one supports the other (you know, the issue).
So no, I don't think you can stop
Things were done a certain way in 1900
Therefore - it should be done that way now.
'Brilliant' Logic.
I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt.
Then run outside to the outhouse and ...
Or perhaps move to Montana soon and live in a cabin
where that may actually be the
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Things were done a certain way in 1900
Therefore - it should be done that way now.
'Brilliant' Logic.
I'm going to rip out my kitchen floor and go back to dirt.
Then run outside to the outhouse and ...
Or
Yeah, but why should Ocean Grove have to deal with AP's excessive lighting?
And why should the city be paying huge electric bills for lights that are on at
times when
there's nobody around?
Appropriate lighting is great. Excessive lighting, like what we currently have,
is a waste,
not
From National Geographic;
Of all the pollutions we face, light pollution is perhaps the most easily
remedied. Simple
changes in lighting design and installation yield immediate changes in the
amount of light
spilled into the atmosphere and, often, immediate energy savings.
It was once
I don't think anyone wants the city to be dark and unsafe, what I
object to, are the types of lighting. Parts of town look like a
railyard, and nothing looks warm and inviting under mercury vapor
street lighting. You could twice as much light of the proper type on
the boardwalk and it would
You are right, and Ocean Groves boardwalk lighting is absolutely perfect, and
could be
used as a model as to what would be nice on our boardwalk and in the
surrounding areas.
Same goes for the lighting on the promenade leading to the Auditorium. Just
right, not
over bright, and not flooding
Exactly.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cwpvt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think anyone wants the city to be dark and unsafe, what I
object to, are the types of lighting. Parts of town look like a
railyard, and nothing looks warm and inviting under mercury vapor
street lighting.
The north end of the Long Branch hsa nice lighting as well as do alot
of the other boardwalks now. OG is good
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The part about no drowning incidents is kinda funny.
What golf course do you think it's mentioning?
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The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of IE.
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The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of IE.
what version. Im on firefox now on a mac with a windows IE
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The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of
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Absolutely Free From Mosquitoes
I knew Bradley was a control freak, but damn
I guess he was a bit of a liar too.
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I like the note at the bottom:
Bureau of Information, with Personal Representative in charge, on Broadway
NYC.
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**One site has it all.
I must say though, AP is surprisingly mosquito free. I don't think I've ever
encountered one
since moving here.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
Asbury Park plans tree-lighting for Sunday
STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008
ASBURY PARK Madison Marquette will hold this year's holiday tree lighting at
6 p.m.
Sunday, Nov. 30, at the Convention Hall Arcade on the boardwalk.
Earlier at 3 p.m. Sunday, a free screening of the 1954 movie White
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I must say though, AP is surprisingly mosquito free. I don't think
I've ever encountered one
since moving here.
Ok, I've told this one before
From about 1977 on, there was no reason for even the mosquitos to come
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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STAFF REPORT NOVEMBER 25, 2008
This year, Christmas trees, wreaths and garlands
and and and
move over tommy.
What would a johnson know about hanukkah...
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try again dan. I jsut upgraded to Firefox 3.4 on a PC that old running
and it worked.
I'll email you. At this age I can't troubleshoot any more.
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On Friday night at 6 in the Grand Arcade between Paramount and CH
there will be a performance by the NJ Rock n Roll Chorus.
Try to find the nice young lady from Howell singing 1st Soprano.
I imagine they will be singing Christmas songs, but they just
recorded an a copella verson of Born to
Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees.
Truth in advertising.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps it would be a good move, from a marketing perspective, to
just call them Holiday
trees, wreaths, and garlands
If you think
But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just because they like
them?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees.
Truth in advertising.
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Because they aren't holiday trees. They are Christmas trees.
Truth in advertising.
There has historically been opposition to the custom of the Christmas
tree because of its alleged pagan origins. Thus, Oliver
Yes - Christmas Trees.
You see, Christmas is also a cultural part of America. A recognized
federal holiday. Many Jews who are proud of their American Culture
take part fully in the American tradition of Christmas, without the
religious part of the celebration.
They wouldn't dream of casting
Interesting historical perspective about other parts of the world.
In my country, a christmas tree has been accepted as a part of the
American celebration.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving
a.k.a. “Thanksgiving in Asbury Park” ;-)
Tonight at 8:00 on ABC
==
Charlie Brown: We've got ANOTHER holiday to worry about. It seems
Thanksgiving Day is upon us.
Sally Brown: I haven't even finished eating all of my
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Christmas is good for the Jews who are in the retail and manufacturing
business
so yes it's a jewish holiday
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I hope i'm home in time to watch it for the 48th time!
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A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving
a.k.a. âThanksgiving in Asbury Parkâ ;-)
Tonight at 8:00 on ABC
==
Charlie Brown: We've got
Oh, I read too quickly...Charlie Brown Thanksgiving. I don't think I've ever
seen that one. I
may have to check it out.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope i'm home in time to watch it for the 48th time!
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And can't a manufacturer/merchant call his product what he wants to
call them?
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:
But, don't some Jewish people have trees in their homes, just
because they like them?
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They do all the time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah_bush
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:05 PM, justifiedright wrote:
Yes - Christmas Trees.
You see, Christmas is also a cultural part of America. A recognized
federal holiday. Many Jews who are proud of their American Culture
take part fully
I assume your question is to Jack since the seller is calling them
Christmas trees and Jack wonders why he doesn't change it.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
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And can't a manufacturer/merchant call his product what he wants
to
call them?
On
Hmmm I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first
question would be:
Should we really be out there singing: On the First Day of
Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-Rou-
Sel?
Shouldn't this be a CITY activity, not a DEVELOPER activity?
Happy Festival
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm I am not sure where this news aired from, but my first
question would be:
Should we really be out there singing: On the First Day of
Christmas, Ma-Tola-Gave-To-Us, a Christmas Tree inside the Car-Rou-
Sel?
Yep, Oak, I get it... I lost site of the ownership. Man, I was just
trying to stand on Tommy's side for once! Thank you for putting the
ownership into perspective.
Glenn
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The ad doesn't show up using Firefox instead of IE.
Works fine for me! Using Mozilla 5.0.
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