The McD in Belmar was actually a political thing back then. They (the
bidder) bid on a "restaraunt" - then bought in McD - much to the
dismay of the Town. If I recall- the successful bidder - cleared
about 25k/summer buy "flipping" the lease. As a wise ass 19 year old
back then...I tried the
heather -
ah, oh all right. i understand now. i think i basicaly said this already, but heck, lets say it again in a diff way. haha. like you said also, there are many of the same stores scattered around monmouth county. but if there all about the same apart, its possiably a lot would choos
Chuck,
The problem is the large national retailers aren't concerned about
interesting venues. They are interested in which location will
provide the better profit.
Corporate Development teams are still using 2000 Census figures for
demographic information. These shows approx 30% of Asbury be
Thanks Charlie. Regarding your other responses, I think that a lot of
Monmouth county residents drive the shortest distance possible to get
to places-so if they had the same store in Asbury as they have in
Shrewsbury, they'd probably go to Asbury. Look at how many Gaps are
around-one at the
heather -
no i dont think the fishmans will put condos up where the casino is. they will probaly tear down the back half of it though, beasue its in bad shape. or at least they say it is. but they claim to build a new back end, that resembled the previous one. which i belive they will. the
i see what your saying, about not having enough traffic during the "off time" (keep in mind, im not agreeing or disagree, just stating some facts) all those big stores on 35, people know where they are, so they drive to them. what difference does it make where their located? would someone l
i dont know if having ap downtown be like ocean grove would be the way to go. ocean grove is its own place, dont make ap like that. ap hasnt had that old time, historical value for a very long time. keep the old buidlings, like whats being done. but lets have some new things open up. not s
8 to 9,000 aren't enough, no matter how often they walk across the
street, to support a mall located in a virtual cul-de-sac. The Grove
draws on tens of thousands within 5 to ten minutes drive, has messy
but far superior access on Hwy 35 and plenty of parking.
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I'm not sure what is the best plan for the Ocean Avenue area. Do
people think that the Fishmans will tear down the Casino and put
condos up there? Will the whole area look similar, or have similar
purposes, as the Pier village development in Long Branch-like, very
expensive ($400,000 and up)
You're entitled to your opinion and I mine, which is backed by
professional experience. There can be some retail, mostly in the way
of restaurants. But major national retailers need tens of thousands
in the way of foot traffic. Ocean Ave will not supply that. Look at
Cape May, do you see Bana
with all the up scale condos and townhouses being built, dont you think those up scale people would rather walk accross/down ocean ave, instead of driving 20min to shrusbury? saying something is "too ambitious,and set to fail" isnt a good outward look towards the whole project. i think its b
Regular retail, like you're talking about in the Grove won't work.
The Grove is very upscale, has limited hours and is on Rte 35 along
with every other store in the world. Its location has a crucila
density. No matter how popular the waterfront becomes, and I hope
very popular, that type of r
oh really. what parts of the boardwalk aspect of the plan dont you think will work? (keep in mind, im not taknig sides, im just talking) what other kind of season stuff do you want, aside from beach and food type places? thats all any other shore seasonl town has. i dont follow what you
jerseyjohn-
i see your points, and they do make sence. i wasnt creating the idea, thats what the fishmans proposed. they wanted to make the boardwalk buidings less one sided, and more open on the ocean ave side. what you said about the parking is true, but keep in mind, you didnt talley up
Chuckie
Don't get me wrong, my family and I have spent many happy summers at
seaside, wildwood and other shore locations, which can be some of
the greatest vacations spots in the world for a young family. Just
trying to say that I don't think that is what most envision for AP.
Can the boardw
the parts of the waterfront plan, that are not liked, should be looked at. something should be done. get something solid together, and try to change it. DONT wait untill their about to start work on something, to say "hey i dont like it" beasue at that point, it might be too late, and you w
Chuck:
one of the problems with that is the "crowding out" effect of
parking. Each condo/townhouse is given 1.5 spaces for parking: 1
inside & .5 outside. This means you have 1550 spaces around the City
allotted to residents. I have no idea how many spaces are on the
oceanfront, but when the
hey now, dont knock seaside. i had a great summer last year -grins-. but i have an understanding of what you might consider bad about the place. i dont think the fishmans ever said 100% of the boadwalk would be year round retail. i think he said there would be some seasonal places too, arou
The 421a is new construction, the J51 is rehab, but you're right.
Chuck, the indoor retail is what I was referring to, it is not going
work. Everything is indoor retail unless you're talking about a food
stand. It will work in the summer but not the off season. Thus, you
will never get anybod
I don't know what the Council was thinking. They certainly aren't getting good
advice from their paid professional help and the problems were brought to their
attention.
Dan your right about the exemptions - the max is 10 years and even that length
usually means that the developer had to put
Or like our 421a certidficates in NYC which you get for building
affordable housing. Mark, what do they last 10 years? It must be on
a declining basis though, I forget. What I meant to say before is
that you let the developer build extra density in certain areas in
return for things like rest
I guess you're asking Ben about my post on the tax abatement. I promise to
track down and confirm the basics of the abatement. I just want to be clear
that the worst thing about the abatement is the number of years it lasts. A 16
year tax abatement is meant as a reward. For example, buildin
If only you were in charge Dan - great vision.
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I don't have a problem with the waterfront being developed with some
condos. For instance, Wesley Grove, North Beach and C-8 and the
other infill spots as long as the density is kept reasonable. As for
the waterfront/boardwalk itself, I agree, let's forget this Disney
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