Ron Olsen;176009 Wrote:
And some more words of wisdom about what's important in sound quality:
http://www.biline.ca/critic1.htm
This way of looking at everything in black and white (good guys vs. bad
guys) is indicative of some kind of condition. Perhaps AS, which, of
course, has a large
opaqueice;175930 Wrote:
That's a good point - that hadn't occurred to me. EMI in the range from
20kHz - 40kHz would be inaudible added to the analogue output, but
jitter at that frequency could intermodulate with the digital signal to
produce audible distortion. For example 25kHz jitter
Yes I have the original release of the Norrington and it is very good.
I have my doubts about these so-called hi-def transfers. They don't
seem to be using original Master tapes as the owner states he is trying
to get Studio Masters for the future. In particular the excerpt of the
Saint-Saens
But surely all of us that hang out on this and other similar fora are by
definition displaying AS tendencies?
It would certainly explain some of the exchanges here...
Ceejay
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Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something
else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour.
I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus
ceejay;176086 Wrote:
But surely all of us that hang out on this and other similar fora are by
definition
Listener;176010 Wrote:
About 24 years ago, I worked with a guy who often referred to something
insignificant as mouse nuts. I never understood whether it referred
to the mouse's food or his anatomy. Do you know?
This unanswered question has stayed with me for all those years.
Bill
I
P Floding;176058 Wrote:
Re-reading your post I have to wonder what the 40kHz limit comes from?
There is no hard limit to what HF can be down-mixed into the audio-band
by way of modulating the DAC clock. (There may be actual limits for each
particular design depending on the circuit
mikeruss;170977 Wrote:
Nice reply ;-) I will take your advice
Regarding Fibre and the internet - the reason it appears to be
flawless is a thing called TCP, checksums etc (I.E error correction)
not a good comparison.
If you interested:
jmourik;176106 Wrote:
Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something
else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour.
I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus
Slim Devices Rules! Everybody else drools!!!
jan
Well, recent research points to
jmourik;176106 Wrote:
Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something
else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour.
I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus
Interesting idea... way OT, but there's a principle (maybe that's too
strong a word)
jmourik;176106 Wrote:
Well, at least, in typical American fashion, it will give us something
else but ourselves to blame for our behaviour.
I like this one too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_virus
Slim Devices Rules! Everybody else drools!!!
jan
jan,
you should amend American
opaqueice;176120 Wrote:
The jitter will produce sidebands at x+-y, as I said above. So if the
jitter is at a frequency x 40kHz, we need y 20kHz to make x-y
audible. At least for CD audio (44.1kHz sampling rate) this can't
happen.
I'm sure 80kHz will fold right down into the audible
Well, here's a quote from
http://stereophile.com/reference/1093jitter/index.html:
Analysis reveals that the larger the signal and the higher its
frequency, the more it is corrupted by clock jitter. Further, it is
shown that in multi-bit converters, jitter above 40kHz can't
intermodulate
seanadams;176002 Wrote:
I think you are asking the wrong question here because you are confused
about how TCP and buffering work. Case in point, it took me a moment to
figure out that by m/s you meant milliseconds and not meters per
second!
Anyway, a 50ms delay is absolutely mice nuts. On
sfraser;176139 Wrote:
In a perfect world i would demonstrate the SB/SS working as intended in
stock fashion, then i could dial back the buffer size to a point of
lets say 75-100 milli-seconds, congest and introduce network failures
and let the customer observe the results.
I realize
seanadams;176146 Wrote:
I realize that's what you want to do, but it is not possible because you
are talking about a buffer size that is too small for TCP to stream
audio even on a perfectly good network. Even below the application
level, the OS presents a receive window (buffer size) to the
opaqueice;176138 Wrote:
Well, here's a quote from
http://stereophile.com/reference/1093jitter/index.html:
On the other hand it seems to me thinking about it that what's relevant
is the jitter frequency mod the sampling frequency... in other words
jitter at say 45.1 kHz could produce
P Floding;171032 Wrote:
I'd just like to emphasize that a 3 meter (9 foot) cheapo might beat a 1
meter (3 foot) $200 cable.
I work for a major manufacturer of consumer products. We often test
products that technically do absolutely nothing, yet consumers perceive
benefits based on the
tomjtx;176131 Wrote:
jan,
you should amend American to Republican fashion.
We Democrats blame ourselves for everything :-)
What's your proof that Democrats blame themselves for everything?
Have you not read the news everyday? Democrats only blame others for
everything.
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SuperQ;171784 Wrote:
It's sad to seen when software developers don't understand the
differences, and think UDP is faster, and end up re-implementing TCP
error correction over UDP. FTP is a good example of this because it
uses UDP for data, even tho it has to verify that every block is
thomsens;175554 Wrote:
Point is, I think they really like pulling the vinyl out of the sleeve
and putting the needle down. There is something to be said for that if
it's what gets them going.
I think that's a big part of it. The emotional connection is lost with
12,000 songs at one's
Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB?
For example:
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/410/ixos-306-sorbothane-feet-4-pack/display.html
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Deaf Cat;176188 Wrote:
Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB?
For example:
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/410/ixos-306-sorbothane-feet-4-pack/display.html\
When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent
me 2 ebony pucks to
So just which part of the SB would be affected by vibration, I wonder?
Ceejay
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Damn! I so had my heart set on blue glowing tubes...
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FatElvis2000;176176 Wrote:
I work for a major manufacturer of consumer products. We often test
products that technically do absolutely nothing, yet consumers perceive
benefits based on the marketing concept. Perceptions are everything.
The only thing that often stops us are gov't
FatElvis2000;175079 Wrote:
I've searched their archives for equipment I'm interested in, and they
love everything. Maybe help point me to some of the negative
reviews...
What's with your need for negativity?
Does this prove something?
Stereophile reviews about 6-10 products a month and
mauidj;176222 Wrote:
Stereophile reviews about 6-10 products a month and obviously would
rather review good stuff than bad.
So when asking for review samples they obviously pick products that
they alreay believe will be good ones.
Why would they do otherwise.
Why would they do
I suspend mine over a high-pressure cushion of air. Of course I have to
turn the volume way up to drown out the roar of the blower.
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Have a nice day!
http://www.theheals.org/
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Stratus Bronze
I've glued a magnet to mine so I can levitate it over a superconductor.
It's really annoying pouring liquid nitrogen in there all the time to
keep the superconductor cool, but hey, anything for good sound...
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opaqueice
opaqueice;176229 Wrote:
Why would they do otherwise? Because it would actually make the
magazine useful for something.
When you're in the market for a new product, it's obviously very useful
to have objective comparisons between products. Consumer reports, for
example, is good for
Where are all you guys coming up with this 100% positive review stat?
It just is not true.
You are all asking for factual statements from this magazine yet you
detractors cannot prove your own facts.
Bit ironic don't you think!
Hmm - in your previous posting you seemed to agree their
opaqueice;176229 Wrote:
Why would they do otherwise? Because it would actually make the
magazine useful for something.
When you're in the market for a new product, it's obviously very useful
to have objective comparisons between products. Consumer reports, for
example, is good for
j.wales;176251 Wrote:
I havethe same noise - does not change with volume - but does change
pitch with the brightness of the screen
Do you mean the SB volume or the amp volume?
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I havethe same noise - does not change with volume - but does change
pitch with the brightness of the screen
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adamslim;176250 Wrote:
I think there's actually very little stuff that's genuinely bad. Why
would a manufacturer make it? Why would a dealer sell it? All there
is is stuff that I like and stuff that doesn't really do it for me.
Since you might like different things, it probably balances
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are
the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about
that.
- Richard Feynman
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SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805
SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage
I leave the SB volume at 100 - regulate volume with pre-amp
I have read in other posts that 100 is the ideal setting if using SB3
as source only and not as a pre-amp
Also, I use the analog outs - thinking about inserting a DAC - does
anyone have the hiss using the digital outs?
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I have the SB3 connected via digital out to my HT.
I do NOT have the issue when using digital. I do have it on analog on
the same system.
My tone varies both by volume and pitch as brightness and density of
text on the display varies.
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I find sky hooks very effective!!
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I have found that soap and water applied fairly regularly alleviates the
need for isolating my feet.
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tomjtx;176192 Wrote:
\
When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent
me 2 ebony pucks to place under the SB.
I heard absolutely no difference. i suspect these things tweak your
mind more than the SB:-)
Why am I not surprised? Why ebony in particular? I'd love
Deaf Cat;176188 Wrote:
Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB?
For example:
http://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/dynamic/eshop_products.set/ref/410/ixos-306-sorbothane-feet-4-pack/display.html
Warning for the BS meter hitting the right end stop:
External vibrations are dissipated
jeffmeh;176275 Wrote:
I have found that soap and water applied fairly regularly alleviates the
need for isolating my feet.
:-D
OK, I'm getting the general impressioni that apart from the wood ones
no one had tried any other material..dare I ask :-)
I thought it was weard when I
tomjtx;176192 Wrote:
\
When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent
me 2 ebony pucks to place under the SB.Do you think that Wayne sent them to
you as a joke or that Wayne thinks
that they do make a difference to the sound?
MC
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Now what?
May I present the mother of all things squeezebox-supporting (If you can
deal with it's inherent evil).
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/SHAKTI_Stone
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tomjtx;176192 Wrote:
\
When Wayne of Bolder sent me the fullblown SB mods to audition he sent
me 2 ebony pucks to place under the SB.
I heard absolutely no difference. i suspect these things tweak your
mind more than the SB:-)
Makes me wonder about Bolder mods
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FatElvis2000;176289 Wrote:
Makes me wonder about Bolder mods
And the Bybee filters didn't?
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Eric Carroll;175570 Wrote:
There are three people in this forum who have noticed it so far.
I think you'll find there are more than that:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24445
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26733
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ModelCitizen;176281 Wrote:
Do you think that Wayne sent them to you as a joke or that Wayne thinks
that they do make a difference to the sound?
MC
LOL no, unfortunately he was serious.
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FatElvis2000;176289 Wrote:
Makes me wonder about Bolder mods
In this case, wonderment is a wonderful thing and it will save you
wondering if you have wasted your money :-)
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Eric Carroll;176261 Wrote:
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are
the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about
that.
- Richard Feynman
Eric,
great quote, if everyone followed that advice we would put a lot of the
snake oil salesmen out of
j.wales;176260 Wrote:
I leave the SB volume at 100 - regulate volume with pre-amp
So you're saying the hiss is as loud with the preamp volume at max as
it is with it at zero? And that it's sensitive to the display
brightness?
That's very odd.
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opaqueice;176304 Wrote:
So you're saying the hiss is as loud with the preamp volume at max as it
is with it at zero? And that it's sensitive to the display brightness?
That's very odd.
I've noticed that, while the buzz is much quieter with the amp volume
turned down, it's not as
P Floding;176301 Wrote:
I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that things like that can alter the
sound of a component, in a particular setting.
It could be something as simple as the distance from the component to
some other component (a metal chassis, for example) changing, which may
P Floding;176308 Wrote:
If I understand your description correctly, I deduce that your amp is
picking up the noise from the SB's display at a point after the amp's
volume control. How close to the amp is the SB? Have you tested
physically moving the SB?
Yeah, I thought of that too, so I
opaqueice;176314 Wrote:
Yeah, I thought of that too, so I tried moving the SB - to no effect as
far as I could tell. But the sound is so faint with the amp volume
down it's pretty hard to be sure.
In that case the noise might be traveling on the interconnect, jumping
to some other internal
P Floding;176317 Wrote:
In that case the noise might be traveling on the interconnect, jumping
to some other internal trace/lead and finding its way past the volume
control. (I'm assuming now that it is confirmed that altering the
display's brightness alters the noise.)
Well, that wouldn't
totoro;176315 Wrote:
But again, why ebony? Why not plastic or sorbothane (which would seem to
be much more appropriate)?
Cause it looks nice?
Annoyingly I just had to experiment with this now, and I seem to get
alterations in the sound. I have no idea why -or if it is just
imagination.
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tomjtx;176131 Wrote:
jan,
you should amend American to Republican fashion.
We Democrats blame ourselves for everything :-)
Ha, that was funny :-)
opaqueice Wrote:
any condition that even slightly reduces your chance of having children
(including anything that increases your risk of
You should take a look at and listen to the PrimaLuna's from Upscale
Audio. Have had my Prologue 2 for some time now and really enjoy it.
Great design from Netherlands + Top notch build quality from China =
Great Value.
Good looks as well especially with the cage removed.
Good reviews on the
jmourik;176324 Wrote:
Like opaqueice, when I'm looking into some component to buy, like right
now a DAC, I want to see reviews that tell me something. If I look for
reviews on the Benchmark DAC1, they all say it's a very good DAC. Until
Lavry shows up, then I read Lavry is better. Can't the
Maybe, but did he try other types of wood? There are an awful lot of
tropical hardwoods, if hardwood is what's necessary (plus all kinds of
non-tropical ones, while we're at it). Plus, of course, things like
spruce and cedar, which are used as soundboards on stringed
instruments.
Just out of
totoro;176337 Wrote:
Maybe, but did he try other types of wood? There are an awful lot of
tropical hardwoods, if hardwood is what's necessary (plus all kinds of
non-tropical ones, while we're at it). Plus, of course, things like
spruce and cedar, which are used as soundboards on stringed
Awesome, thank you for the feedback everyone.
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totoro;176337 Wrote:
Maybe, but did he try other types of wood? There are an awful lot of
tropical hardwoods, if hardwood is what's necessary (plus all kinds of
non-tropical ones, while we're at it). Plus, of course, things like
spruce and cedar, which are used as soundboards on stringed
P Floding;176338 Wrote:
I had some cones of some unspecified artificial (plasticky) material
laying around. They seem to have been cast from this material. I'm very
sceptical about it all, but I believe in trying everything to rule it
out before assuming things. Sure can throw up surprises
Skunk;176341 Wrote:
Wouldn't you want the opposite of a highly resonant species for a
speaker baffle or equipment support, or even piano key I suppose?
I have an ebony fetish personally, and find it soothing to hold when
I'm at the wood store. Always been too cheap to buy any though :-)
totoro;176343 Wrote:
I remember reading on a newsgroup recently that some of the early a/d
converters used by recording studios didn't dither, which was a real
problem. Supposedly, this had a bad effect on a lot of early cd
releases which were recorded using them.
Yes, but that is like
P Floding;176347 Wrote:
Yes, but that is like nothing compared to the sound quality (or lack of
it) of the early CD players.
Ah. I didn't get a cd player until 92 or so, so I missed that phase.
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P Floding;176327 Wrote:
They are all (mostly) good. The problem is that hacks have to write
something.. ;-)Yup, and people like me like to read it! I now have
subscriptions to TAS
and Stereophile. Why? Because I enjoy reading them and subscriptions are
cheap! I bought Stereophile last
Have a look at the 'Associated Equipment' sidebar of the Transporter
review in the Feb 2006 of Stereophile and you'll see listed Ayre Myrtle
Wood blocks. (oh, Myrtle wood, not ebony.)
Given the article's bizarre opening metaphor, I was expecting polished
turds...
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totoro;176315 Wrote:
But again, why ebony? Why not plastic or sorbothane (which would seem to
be much more appropriate)?
Isn't it obvious? Ebony is the wood used to make the black keys on a
piano (at least, it used to be). If it is musical enough for a piano,
it is certainly musical enough
Deaf Cat;176188 Wrote:
Often read how isolating feet help cdps but SB?
You mean something like this?
---Gary
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totoro;176345 Wrote:
Yep, I would think so. I'd think for vibration absorbing, though, you'd
want something like sorbothane, rather than a really hard wood.
Perhaps, but be prepared to lose a bit of image focus and bass
authority.
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Skunk;176373 Wrote:
I tried that with audio points (for a funny picture!), but couldn't
balance the back bar.
You're assuming that I did this as a joke . . .
Not so fast. I'm a bit reluctant to bring this up at all given the way
this board and thread seems to assume that tweaks of any sort
tyler_durden;176370 Wrote:
This is the same sort of nonsense that has some people at DIYaudio.com
trying to make heatsinks out of bronze and finishing the wood cases of
their home made electronics (yes, wood!) with violin lacquer.
I'm afraid it's leeched into the general marketplace as
Skunk;176376 Wrote:
I'm afraid it's leeched into the general marketplace as well...
It's very highly reviewed though (tpfic)
I'd hardly call THAT the general marketplace.
I once saw some stuff about a vibration isolating table for tube
amplifiers that was filled with sand because the sand
GaryB;176375 Wrote:
Don't waste the bandwidth until you've done some experiments. The
willingness to draw conclusions without any experimental work is
amazingly unscientific.
Happy listening.
---Gary
Science is not done by people randomly trying stuff with no idea why it
would or
totoro;176379 Wrote:
Science is not done by people randomly trying stuff with no idea why it
would or wouldn't work.
The scientific method has several steps:
1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is
consistent with what you have
Skunk;176295 Wrote:
I think you'll find there are more than that:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24445
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26733
Skunk,
Words from the master, no less. Thanks for pointing it out.
Damn, I even looked for this using google and went
ceejay;176190 Wrote:
So just which part of the SB would be affected by vibration, I wonder?
Ceejay
Dancing feet under the SB should help with PRAT.
Bill
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GaryB;176375 Wrote:
You're assuming that I did this as a joke . . .
I can't deny that, what with the lack of wires etc.
No disrespect was intended though. Considering how well you know your
way around the inside of the Sb, I wouldn't discount your opinion on
any tweak.
FWIW, I do own the
GaryB;176381 Wrote:
The fact that there aren't good theories doesn't invalidate the
observation of an experimental result.
But you see, there is a perfectly good hypothesis, backed by centuries
of scientific theory and experiment, that explains the result you
reported above. It's got
tyler_durden;176370 Wrote:
This is the same sort of nonsense that has some people at DIYaudio.com
trying to make heatsinks out of bronze and finishing the wood cases of
their home made electronics (yes, wood!) with violin lacquer.
Gee Tyler,
I like building electronics in wood boxes. It's
GaryB;176394 Wrote:
Gee Tyler,
I like building electronics in wood boxes. It's easier to work with
wood than with metal and it looks better. Below are pictures of my
homebrew gainclone amplifier. Sounds pretty good if I do say so
myself.
---Gary
That's a nice looking amp. Nothing wrong
opaqueice;176390 Wrote:
You haven't presented any credible evidence that there's an effect here.
Please don't be offended, but the fact that you think you heard
something isn't very meaningful (because it can be explained by
psychology in a way that's extremely well-documented and
totoro;176397 Wrote:
But you didn't claim it sounds better _because_ it's in a wood box
rather than a metal one in your post. I think that was more what tyler
was getting at (I could be putting words in his mouth, but his comments
made me think of the Infamous Knob of Death).
BTW, you've
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