Hi Folks;
Has anyone auditioned this yet? ...
http://www.ciaudio.com/vdc_sb.html
I use both Channel Island's DAC and their Headphone amp, so I have to
admit being a fan, but I haven't seen any info anywhere...and am
curious.
Baz
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Bazile
No
but its a bit small to fit a decent transformer in
my tests show that the bigger the torroid the better currently the
75vac is superior to the 20 and 50 I'd tried before.
Didn't see a price ? but you can build one for about $70 though the
case will not be as pretty.
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zanash
If you think that the only differences there is between components is
there price, and the reason why people buy the most expensiv gear is
only because its a status symbol
That will imply that ether you are deaf or havent heard that much
different gear.
Sure ofcause some many see a
opaqueice;235411 Wrote:
Physics is weird and non-intuitive, and the only way to understand it
is to approach is carefully, systematically, and mathematically. It's
very difficult to communicate it to a lay audience without simplifying
it to the point of basically lying.
Like anything
westernboy;235394 Wrote:
This second input on the Krell is user configurable to bypass the preamp
stage
Ooh. Why didn't I RTM! I'll get the screwdriver out and then try this
with my DAC's passive volume control...
Darren
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darrenyeats
SB3 / Inguz - Sony DAS-703ES DAC - Krell KAV-300i -
Cheers and thanks to all replies. I just got my SB3 this year, not
considering Transporter yet.
Well, I will do audition comparison for some external DACs on my
current setup, I would upgrade speaker much later on.
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auronthas
Auronthas
Digital Sources: Squeezebox 3 / Cambridge Audio 540C
JimC;235421 Wrote:
Are your public lectures going to be in California, by any chance? I'd
be of a mind to attend, if that's possible.
They will be in New York City. But there are public lectures now and
then at Stanford - you might check the physics department website.
Two more to think about:
http://www.norcotek.com/DS-520.php
http://www.infrant.com/products/products_details.php?name=ReadyNAS%20NVPlus
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harmonic;235458 Wrote:
If you think that the only differences there is between components is
there price, and the reason why people buy the most expensiv gear is
only because its a status symbol
That will imply that ether you are deaf or havent heard that much
different gear.
snip
alekz;235504 Wrote:
Two more to think about:
http://www.norcotek.com/DS-520.php
http://www.infrant.com/products/products_details.php?name=ReadyNAS%20NVPlus
you won't find many success stories re the readynas NVx, there are
quite a few of us here with 1st hand experience with them that
Funny thing, I feel a marked increase in my degree of harmony since I
discovered the ignore list... :P
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egd
Thecus N5200PRO Transporter ATC SCA2 ATC SCM100SLAT
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I haven't completely scanned this thread (already 9 pages long...) so
you may already know this.
German Audio magazine has compared exactly on topic:
Linn Klimax DS vs. Slimdevices Transporter.
Audio uses a sound point scale where 100 is already considered
excellent (true High End) and the very
opaqueice;235508 Wrote:
However for most modern digital sources (including the very expensive
ones) the differences are slim to none (no pun intended!). Same goes
for amplifiers.
Could you please give some examples? If possible, list the other
components of the system(s) in which you
opaqueice;235508 Wrote:
I can sum it up by saying that all good sources sound identical - if
there's an audible difference one of them isn't well designed and is
adding distortion.
All sources (and amplifiers) add distortion, which is what accounts for
differences in sound. Some forms of
opaqueice;235408 Wrote:
...
I'm sure Rolex-wearers would be quite happy if they could convince
others of that - if Rolexes were the best watches by some objective
standard ...
The watch argument to me illustrates some of the misperceptions here.
Rolex is not the only luxury brand. In fact,
opaqueice;235508 Wrote:
I'm not making any such blanket statement. However for most modern
digital sources (including the very expensive ones) the differences are
slim to none (no pun intended!). Same goes for amplifiers. Sometimes,
in some situations, you *might* be able to hear
I thing we need to go back to basics.
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Fifer;235558 Wrote:
I tend to agree with the second sentence, but I'd say they all sound
different because of distortion.
I give up.
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harmonic
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harmonic;235560 Wrote:
I give up.
Why? I'm agreeing with you that there are differences.
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riffer;235561 Wrote:
... Watches are cool and, from an engineering standpoint, mechanical
movements quite fascinating (I was once a mechanical engineer), but I
can't get over the fact that my $50 Timex with a quartz movement will
keep better time.
Indeed. Until it runs out of battery. ;-)
Fifer;235551 Wrote:
All sources (and amplifiers) add distortion, which is what accounts for
differences in sound. Some forms of distortion are more pleasing to the
human ear than others and some are more sympathetic to particular types
of music, so the sound which is judged as 'best' may not
opaqueice;235566 Wrote:
An excellent example is the thread where I, along with two others,
compared a stock SB3 to a Transporter in a ~$50,000 system. You can
find it if you search.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35068
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alekz
Fifer;235563 Wrote:
Why? I'm agreeing with you that there are differences.
Fifer - Unfortunately you're saying that all discernible differences
are caused by the presence/absence of distortions of one sort or
another. I happen to agree with you.
It seems to escape some peoples grasp that you
opaqueice;235566 Wrote:
Agreed. However the levels of distortion produced by digital sources
and non-clipping amps tend to be inaudible, so judgements of what's
best aren't based on distortion.
I agree with that as well, but we can do more than measure - we can run
controlled
SumnerH;235432 Wrote:
You think? I find relativity to have more magic formulas than
quantum; the one unaesthetic thing about QM is accepting that the
physics is not deterministic, but that strikes me as being perhaps a
human bias rather than a real objection.
Well, I certainly realize that
Phil Leigh;235571 Wrote:
Fifer - Unfortunately you're saying that all discernible differences
are caused by the presence/absence of distortions of one sort or
another. I happen to agree with you.
It seems to escape some peoples grasp that you can't improve on the
original source material
harmonic;235576 Wrote:
I 100% agree with all you said.
I agree with most of it, except the bit at the end where Phil claims
he's rambling ... ;)
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oneman;235525 Wrote:
Audio uses a sound point scale where 100 is already considered
excellent (true High End) and the very best CD source on earth got 140.
I am not familiar with the true High End sound point scale. Could you
explain the testing methodology for the benefit of those of us
Fifer;235593 Wrote:
I agree with most of it, except the bit near the end where Phil claims
he's rambling ... ;)
:0)...
It's very hard to ramble with this wretched flame-proof suit on (that
others keep borrowing and not hanging up nicely, so it's all creased
and slightly smelly...)
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Phil
Oneman, is the article found somewhere on the web? Or can I get it
somewhere? I would like to read it since I am German. But anyway. It
comes down to what I got reflected in another thread:
- you can always improve
- but if you're satisfied just don't tweak
- just wait and see if you happen to
lanierb;229812 Wrote:
Many of us do use the current SB3 to wireless stream DD or DTS to a
decoder. It's not automatic, but it's not too hard to setup. Of
course it would be even better if it was supported directly.
Can you direct me to instructions on how to accomplish that?
-- Martin
I just bought a pair of AKG K-701's
Just spent the last couple of hours plugged into them - wow! Goose
bumps, exciting, detailed, immersing. Excellent.
Well thats all for the moment, I'm off to listen some more..
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mschiff;235629 Wrote:
Can you direct me to instructions on how to accomplish that?
-- Martin
Look at this thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19260
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lanierb
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darrenyeats;235497 Wrote:
Ooh. Why didn't I RTM! I'll get the screwdriver out and then try this
with my DAC's passive volume control...
Darren
Darren, mate, it's one of the main reasons I bought the thing... :-)
Let us know if there's any sound improvement when you take the Krell's
preamp
harmonic;235572 Wrote:
Besides the sb3 vs the transporter what have you else tried ?
Numerous other digital sources, from cheap CD players to an MBL that
retailed somewhere around $10k, several SACD players, a universal DVD
player, a Benchmark DAC1, an NOS Lite DAC AH, a Bel Canto DAC, and
jaysung;235605 Wrote:
Oneman, is the article found somewhere on the web? Or can I get it
somewhere?
Klimax DS vs Transporter (1.20 Euro):
http://www.audio.de/testberichte/linn_klimax_ds_um_15_000_euro.154350.htm
The sameness is the indicator #1 that there's something terribly wrong
with the system. I'm sorry but extremely high-end in this case sounds
extremely... ... colored and far from being extremely
transparent.
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alekz
I love my AKG701s, too. I'm listening to the Dvorak Cello Concerto at
this very moment -- breathtaking! I find I prefer them to my old
Sennheisser HD650s -- more detail and clarity.
They sound even better wired in balanced configuration!
muski
alekz;235655 Wrote:
The sameness is the indicator #1 that there's something terribly wrong
with the system. I'm sorry but extremely high-end in this case sounds
extremely... ... colored and far from being extremely
transparent.
Try it blind, level matched. You'll be shocked.
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muski;235666 Wrote:
Are you listening to them straight out of the SB3 or through a
headphone amp?
muski
I hope it's through a headphone amp, or if not I hope they are better
matched with the SB3 output than my Grado RS-1s are... I have been
listening to them for a long time through
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kami916;235088 Wrote:
I just purchased audioengine5 speakers based on reports here and
elsewhere. I'm trying to configure my sb (second one) and new speakers
in the basement. Would it harm sound quality to locate the speakers on
side walls, 12 feet or so from the rear wall? In other words,
pablolie;235684 Wrote:
They are quite bassy. I have them placed 15 inches from the wall on a
low table. I bought a subwoofer thinking I'd need bass support, but no,
they reach down with authority. Try it out, they seem quite resilient to
positioning. Very capable, user friendly and amazingly
The sb3 and the transporter sounds very similar.
My experince when i connected them strait to my amps in my 100 k system
is that the transporter sounds more real with a deeper soundstage.
The transporter is a sb3 with a better dacs build in powersupply and a
fancy casing and lights , thats it.
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