In the audiophile world (parallel universe...), ASRC is kin to satan.
Just kin though. i.e. 88.2kHz-96kHz sample rate
If somebody sold 96/24 downloads that had ASRC previously applied to
them, they'd sure hear about it, and so would just about everyone else.
It's not easy to hide if you look.
I have used DACs with the SBT that do exactly what the OP is talking
about. And still have one...the problem is no mystery to me. It is NOT
specifically an SBT problem, it will happen with any source that can
drastically change sample rate, with DACs that have this type of clock
circuitry.
*Buffer* and reclock is the big thing, maybe the Synchro-Mesh does that?
(I've never heard of it except here.) Actually, that's what I assumed
you meant in your original comment, as mostly only uncheap S/PDIF DACs
do it.
Soulkeeper wrote:
Have you considered going around the problem by configuring LMS to
upsample all 44.1 kHz material to 88.2 kHz, and all 48 kHz material to
96 kHz?
That is a good idea! It might just work.
[What it does is put the sample frequencies that the PLL needs to lock
on much closer
Some DACs, typically older but not necessarily *old*, have difficulty
re-establishing (PLL) sync when the sample frequency changes. Not from
44 to 48kHz, but any freqs much more apart from that, and that's what
happens. I've seen it plenty, and other people here have asked about
other DACs that
It is possible that in your newer DAC they did in fact improve it:
improving the PLL circuitry *could* have the effect of not allowing it
to get lock over as wide a frequency range, but rather it more
tenaciously maintains the first frequency it locked on. You have found
the dark side of it.
^ Do you use that Neutrik adapter to plug directly into your DAC? What
I'm getting at is I want to avoid having to use 2 cables, and was hoping
the adapter has XLR male pins in such a manner it plugs directly into
the DAC (pics I've seen don't show the XLR end clearly). Oh yeah: big
Neutrik fan,
^ You can still stream up to 96/24 PCM using the current (non-beta) LMS
and it works fine with EDO, that's what I do. S/PDIF coax. Agree
streaming PCM is preferable than decoding e.g. FLAC on the SBT, at least
here.
^ Tell me more!! Please. I have never heard of such an xfmr before, but
I should have known they existed...
The AES/EBU sounds better here too. Has an open-ness and a sense of the
music coming out of infinite blackness; very noticeable when other
DACs/inputs *don't* have it. I have not opened
alfista wrote:
Granted, but those prototypes are generally less reliable and don't
exactly perform better than finished production units.
Also granted; and a prototype is never meant to actually be used by
anybody. Some insist on destroying them (all sorts of reasons), and
unfortunately from
^ Thanks. I had absolutely no idea people were doing SBT internal stuff
like that. I think I'll look into it more, but I'd have to get another
Touch first, can't risk being without one fully functional.
As for the sandwich box, it was done neatly...I am used to seeing
prototypes of all sorts of
Due to the title of this thread, anything that is NOT subjective doesn't
really belong here, if you want to get technical...
I'm sure Triode is tired of hearing the same praise over and over... :)
So what do you want people to talk about here? I got the distinct
impression Triode *wanted* us to
^ Speaking from the Judea People's Front: I missed the sandwich box and
duct tape episode. Are there re-runs anywhere? :) Seriously, I'd like to
see it.
I don't mind trying weird $#!+ if it's not a lot of trouble/messy and is
free. Most of the time I undo it anyways.
^ lol, I forget why I even said that now. I guess it's obvious you'd
need a proper/good logic analyzer to monitor an actual design. I was
probably thinking along the lines of the differences between running
slightly different code is sufficiently significant that it can be
detected at some
^ The butterfly effect? Let me be a bit of a devil's advocate...
I think you'd agree that different code, no matter how apparently
trivially different, executes differently. The electronically different
results are easily seen with the proper gear. Hell, the
3-letter-agencies can tell exactly
^ I checked SBGK's 999.../4 buffer size, as he originally posted it, and
the Large buffer size option. With EDO 0.6. The debug output results
for both are identical to each other and to what you showed in post
#54.
I am still running with 0.6 and SBGK's very large buffer size spec.
Haven't
^ You are quite right about that, it was the only fly in the ointment
with WOL here.
That is until today, when for some reason my WOL setup seemed to stop
working after a couple days of being fine. Needs some fine-tuning
somewhere lol. Not unexpected...
Hey Pneumonic, never noticed you here
Thank-you very much for the Fit etc. info guys, food for thought. I've
been looking around at some options mentioned. Now I want a Sheevaplug,
but I don't know for what. If somebody gave me a Vortexbox...
For my purposes, I can't come up with a single reason to NOT use my
regular desktop PC for
RonM wrote:
I use a dedicated 24/7 small PC, not a NAS. It has all my many music
files on its 500gb internal 2.5 drive, and runs ONLY LMS plus the
software necessary to run headless (allows remote control from my other
devices). The one I use, Fit-PC2, uses very little power under load,
guidof wrote:
I have done extensive comparisons of EDO 0.6 and 0.7 and for the most
part agree with your impressions.
I have not done extensive listening with 0.6, mostly with 0.5 and then
0.7 when it arrived; 0.6 came and went so fast that I never even got
to install it before 0.7 was
^ I thought it *was* galvanically isolated. Maybe not though, just the
usual transformers. I do not have any quality glass Toslink cables
anymore, so can't really test that option fairly (it sounds dead with
the best Toslink I still do have).
However, we are only comparing different versions of
Triode: I thought I had the manual install of non-current versions of
EDO all figgered out before, but careful analysis (OK, further casual
looking...) shows I don't after all.
So I unzip the EDO download and put all the files in the (same) correct
place, that's pretty obvious; reboot and it
^ Thanks. LOL, I was wondering where the version numbers came from...
And of course I really only wanted to see those for easy reference, but
ssh-ing in to look is no big prob either.
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I still gotta say that 0.6 as heard here has something special to it.
I don't know how to describe it, but if the sound was an object I might
say sophisticated/luxury. It feels very pleasant and personal. I have
some doubt about the accuracy of this sound, but I do like being coddled
in it so
It might be convenient if SBGK put some instructions on how to install
older versions of EDO in his blog, like where to copy the files. You are
welcome for me volunteering you. :) I don't have a blog etc. or else I'd
do it.
I get the impression that the instructions might not be welcome in any
cfraser wrote:
It can potentially sound better with all the useless threads, if less
variation in power supply buss noise is better. By keeping a continuous
CPU loading, rather than having it vary, this might sound better to you.
Depends what those useless threads are actually doing too
edodo wrote:
It is not logical in the contrary to believe leaving all those CPU
consuming useless threads that it will sound better. Your opinion may
vary.
It can potentially sound better with all the useless threads, if less
variation in power supply buss noise is better. By keeping a
^ My impressions via S/PDIF into a BDA-1 are almost identical to yours.
It's a very decent sound signature, which also happens to carry through
to lower bitrates than 192/24 (at least it does here). I quite like it,
there's nothing annoying about it lol, and that's rare enough for me.
The bass
^ I've never found that iPeng was sluggish. Could it be wake on LAN or
something similar causing it, which I don't use?
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That's how I found out that WAVs at least to my ears sound so
consistently better. I cannot explain why. I know it shouldn't, but
there it is.
Don't worry, it drives me nuts what some changes do. I can't explain
them either, the craziest (to me) being the size of the ALSA
The guy who said buy a good DAC is right, that has to be #2, even before
the PS or TT3.0
However, one very important point of TT3.0 is the ability to kill the
display processes. Not the same as making the screen black. But probably
not as good as disconnecting the whole LCD display as well as
to CHEAP stuff like the SBT. You can be sure Klaus didn't
use rubbish to tune his mods. Or, of course, he wouldn't have bothered
doing ANY of them in the first place. Because they make no
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an external DAC, and I am astonished what it does to IR via the SBT
compared to the IR I get directly via my Denon AVR (this sounds truly
dreadful, all other radio incl. AM/FM/Sirius does too).
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that?) is only ~$1 that is cool to just try and see if I actually use
the ssh capability downstairs these days. Something new to play with...
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necessarily have a computer on. iPod ssh would allow me to do config
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. It may not be right, but
for the music I listen to it's unfatiguing and I'd even say exciting.
Not a lot to complain about... This particular tuning is a good
option for a lot of the compressed and flat music/remasterings that
seem to be commonplace now.
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it. (I hope that prevents anybody from saying that I'm acting as though
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fully-implemented priority sets is so different that
you'll know if you forgot the reboot.
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to it, maybe without even knowing it...
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. With any config you want, even plain TT3.0. I know many/most
find tt -k is an improvement, just wondering if any found the opposite.
Edit: just a coincidence that SBGK mentioned tt -k before me, I didn't
even see his post while I was writing this.
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beforehand. I thought I was already done with this
problem and real progress had been made...
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that I
don't recognize yet, maybe hanging around from some app I no longer
even use (e.g. McAffee and iTunes caused issues, they're gone).
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and the
one I'm talking-up is of course one of them. It happened shortly before
NoRaDa started posting his tables, and is *very probably* the original
forerunner to what he calls Guido F.
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, a large or small buffer, no
obvious way to tell how it'll sound. Sometimes 3200 is as good or
better than 2, sometimes worse. Sometimes you gain one thing but
lose at the other end of the freq spectrum.
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or whatever, that it is the best? Never will happen, not
when opinion enters into it. And this is all opinion.
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bumping the buffer up to some sizes is
much *worse* than some sizes of smaller buffers. Somewhere some Logitech
employee is drunk with laughter. I know I would be if somebody online
was trying to figger out my RT code setup...
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their own thread so that Klaus' thread was
strictly dedicated to TT = more accessible to newcomers too... Just a
thought...it must seem like incomprehensible gobbledygook to those who
haven't started at the beginning.
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it's worthwhile to pursue it to the bitter end lol.
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listening to music. Such as shut down all/most apps that have nothing
to do with it, or at least the apps that may use the LAN/web. Thanks.
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my iPod iPeng)
are among the worst for interfering, so I regularly kill those. I find
everything works best when I kill my web browser too.
I have read here of TCPOptimizer but haven't looked into getting it
yet...can't hurt and I'll do that later today.
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to the tt file. So I can switch between them quite quickly, less
than 2 minutes includinging the reboots (one to get the daemons running
again, then one for the new tt).
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have little doubt the sonic sig of a particular DAC affects somebody's
configuration preference.
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the muffled/fuzzy stuff,
something I wouldn't normally tolerate, in anticipation of when it
would be good again.
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, speaking depth-wise, noticeable with Maggies anyway
and nicely restored by the priority mods. I was sometimes surrounded by
music more akin to from my turntable, except maybe even better and
certainly much more convenient.
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that all those months ago...though I never did get the crackling or
similar noise some reported when the buffer was too small (TT2.0).
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Sorry if I'm not following, but Modification WLAN: enabled means wifi
is turned OFF. That would explain what you're asking, assuming you're
asking what I think you're asking... :)
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my experience.]
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think I'm full of it, they don't notice it at all. And I agree with
them, in their systems. Probably most people wouldn't even notice it
here, it's still very good, it only shows up (to me) in a direct
comparison between DACs...it's trivial, but something to talk about...
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there, including extremely expensive audio gear. It's not like you
absolutely need it. It is a refinement. I would not discount an
otherwise good candidate PS because it doesn't have that choke.
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access point in
its current state is lightyears (soundyears?) beyond what I had when I
first got it.
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almost guarantee your bank account won't thank you.
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Thanks for all your work Klaus.
I have a long-time question that I still haven't figured out by myself:
how do these buffer XRUNS get officially reported to me? Unofficially
reported by ear... Thanks.
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plenty of stuff from a certain country where the stated wire gauge
is at least 1 gauge smaller than they state, sometimes 2... Anyway, the
Touch + my drive seems to draw ~1A so no biggie, just an observation.
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In the meantime I found a very long coaxial audio cable I made for a
sub that I don't really use anymore...that'll do for a test. I am short
RF RCA connectors, that was the impediment to making a new cable for
the Touch.
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as a compromise?
I am wanting to use the local USB drive for now. It is where I back up
my FLAC files, and makes a nice portable little setup I can put in a
small case (to take to other peoples' places). Thanks.
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RF in my house. i.e. turn as
much as possible off when listening to music, as opposed to background
music. Hell, I even power off most of my routers then, the PSs for
those are the worst/noisiest I've ever seen (Cisco). Installing better
ones has been on my list for a while...
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