BB - I think we are basically agreeing.
I am not a fan of v. expensive interconnects/mains cables etc - but I
can hear a difference between OK cables and rubbish cables.
My amplifier remark was a bit flippant (I apologise) but I do strongly
believe that the cables are as much part of the overall
buddhabreath Wrote:
Of course DB testing discriminates between different! It is a basic
scientific procedure to ensure perceptive bias does not enter into a
result. better is in the mind of the receiver - but often times that
better goes away under DB conditions.
BB,
The point I was
The dynamic range of 16-bit recordings is 96 dB, which is readily
obtainable these days (that wasn't the case in the early 80's). The
dynamic range of 24-bit recordings is theoretically 144 dB! There are
probably very few, if any, natural recordings (i.e. not completely
synthesized) that have
Phil Leigh Wrote:
BB,
The point I was trying to make is exactly what I wrote... that DB
testing does not discriminate between better and different - not
that it doesn't discriminate between different and identical!
different vs better is all in the mind (regardless of the
Phil Leigh Wrote:
-cut-
3) My wiring is very good so obviously my imagination must also be
good. Let's try the converse argument - if you can't hear any
improvement, your system (or ear/brain interface) must be defective...
4) Amongst many other things (too boring to discuss again) DB
I feel that SB3 with a linear power supply, played through a full range
(30-30k or better) very dynamic speaker/amp combo is hard to beat. You
won't hear the benefits of the PS upgrade unless your system is
transparent and dynamic enough to allow the greater dynamic range of
the upgrade to show
fredrickj Wrote:
I should point out that my testing (blind) of the stock SB3 compared to
a CD transport thru a DAC, was testing the digital out only. I didn't
buy the SB3 for its DAC. The ps upgrade may well make sense for the
DAC but agian, it didn't test the DAC output.
One point here
For some reason, laws against fraud and false advertising seem to miss
the audio industry for a mile. I'd love to see a parts list and English
language explanation.
And, in fact, Stereophile had a bit full of panic a while back when the
New York State AG's office started to look into some of
Phil Leigh Wrote:
Well Fredrick...you've managed to open more cans of worms than a major
explosion in a worm-canning factory...in one post!.
1) why do you own the ridiculously expensive Audio Note? - did you
audition it first?
2)Then either most people you know have substandard hearing
Well Fredrick...you've managed to open more cans of worms than a major
explosion in a worm-canning factory...in one post!.
1) why do you own the ridiculously expensive Audio Note? - did you
audition it first?
2)Then either most people you know have substandard hearing (unlikely)
or your system
Again...the audiophile version of the Squeezebox, which will be sold
through dealers, is due out in the not-too-distant future. I think
this is a semi-open secret at this point. Salient items are a digital
input, improved DAC, power supply,etc. I'm sure it will be in a sleek,
sexy, metallic
Yes HD...you are probably right. Interesting times ahead!
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Maybe we need a Speculation and Rumors forum like they have over at
AppleNova. (He says with a toothy grin.)
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ezkcdude
SB3-Derek Shek TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC-MIT Terminator 2
interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound
Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz
opaqueice Wrote:
What do you think of the Red Wine Audio mods?
There was a thread (over at audiocircle maybe?) a while back comparing
Bolder SB mods to RWA which concluded that the RWA mod sounded
(slightly) better than the Bolder. Personally I would hesitate to buy
a product from
opaqueice Wrote:
I'm guessing (from the name and location) you're from Bolder Cable?
Would you care to comment on those Bybees? I know it's a bit off-topic
for this thread, but this (from http://www.bybeetech.com/ourtech.asp)
is pure nonsense (and I _do_ know what I'm talking
It has nothing to do with how he chooses to describe his widgets. The
fact is, and I can also speak here with a respectable background in
physics, it is pure baloney.
Of course, you are free to like what you hear. People also like Tice
Clocks and Mpingo disks and all the rest. There was, too,
Anyone ever dissect one of these purifiers? I suppose at $150 (or
whatever) a pop maybe not, but at least hook one up to a meter... I'll
bet there's just some material in there with a bit of resistance, maybe
some inductance - just enough to screw up the frequency response a bit
and change the
95bcwh Wrote:
I have already had my SB3 fully modded (analog + digital + battery power
supply) by RedWineAudio, too late to change for now. But I plan to buy
another unit when SB4 comes out...I will then ask Wayne to mod it for
me.
What do you think of the Red Wine Audio mods?
There was
Well I think I'm getting closer to the SB now. Thanks for your input
guys. I just bought myself an external DAC (an MHDT Paradisea) and
I've done some testing against my CPD (an Arcam CD23T). Using the
Arcam as a full unit transport/DAC it is significantly better then
using my Paradisea fed by
squeezeme Wrote:
I went for the full analogue mod with platinum caps etc.
I am using a DIY power supply measuring excactly 5v out. This does
improve the sound slightly, it tightens the bass and smooths the highs,
but in comparison to the mods it is minimal. With the modded unit every
aspect
95bcwh Wrote:
Patrick, just curious what mod have you done to your SB3 to make it
sound so good?
We just use the 'transport' element of the SB. DAC, clocks, PSU,
analogue and (coaxial) digital output circuitry are all new boards.
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I have been using my Bolder modded SB2 for 2-3 weeks now and i am
astounded in the improvment in every aspect, I no longer use my Marantz
CDP that is better sounding than the stock SB. I use a Naim Nait 5i amp
and Dynaudio audience 62's and the quality is something i didn't think
possble.
I am
squeezeme Wrote:
I have been using my Bolder modded SB2 for 2-3 weeks now and i am
astounded in the improvment in every aspect, I no longer use my Marantz
CDP that is better sounding than the stock SB. I use a Naim Nait 5i amp
and Dynaudio audience 62's and the quality is something i didn't
I went for the full analogue mod with platinum caps etc.
I am using a DIY power supply measuring excactly 5v out. This does
improve the sound slightly, it tightens the bass and smooths the highs,
but in comparison to the mods it is minimal. With the modded unit every
aspect is improved, it really
Loftprojection Wrote:
Well when I'm talking about comparing the SB to CDP it's not as a
transport only. I mean more like a stock of fully analog modified SB
versus a CDP (transport/DAC). Like you I'm quite convinced that the SB
as a transport with or without mods is probably a great tool
Patrick Dixon Wrote:
I have actually done comparative demos for people with SB2/3s and
external DACs against our 'modded' SB+. In all cases the SB+ wins
hands down. External DACs included examples from Benchmark, Meridian
and various NOS types. YMMV.
Patrick, just curious what mod have
I'd go along with that Azur comparison - maybe even a bit higher up the
food chain for older CDP's.
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I'd been using an all marantz combo (66 KI SIG amp and matching 63 KI
SIG cdp)quite happily, but the amount of discs overtaking my room was
starting to irritate me, which is why I went for the sb3/qnap combo.
I've been using an m-audio superdac between amp and sb3 and just sent
that off to have
Phil Leigh Wrote:
On the contrary, I feel that the SB can exceed the capabilities of many
exalted CDP's - or at least their transports. There are numerous good
engineering reasons why this might theoretically be the case, but at
the end of the day your ears (brain) have to decide.
I know
As a full solution I would rate the Squeezebox as a good quality mid
priced player such as the Cambridge Audio Azur 640. It wins for me in
it's flexibility and user friendly features.
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dlite
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On the contrary, I feel that the SB can exceed the capabilities of many
exalted CDP's - or at least their transports. There are numerous good
engineering reasons why this might theoretically be the case, but at
the end of the day your ears (brain) have to decide.
I know many will scoff at the SB
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