Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-17 Thread sikahr
Sean, thanks for Your answer. Please don't feel bad about my post, it is more argument in discussion then request to Slimdevices. I overreacted after provocation( not from slimdevices). Please take Your time to fix this bug, thanks ones again, Nenad -- sikahr ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-16 Thread seanadams
Some notes have been added to this bug. Basically it is the difference in precision between MAD's portable fixed-point multiplier and the x86-optimized version. There is possibly a better multiply routine we could be using which would get closer to the X86 version. Nenad, please relax. This does

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-15 Thread sikahr
darrenyeats;311586 Wrote: > Enough already! We all agree that it's a bug, we all agree it will be > fixed, we all agree there is a workaround with transcoding. > > Peace (as in "hold your"), > Darren Only open question is WHEN. And when You are here, what is Your opinion about my "marketing" p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-15 Thread sikahr
Phil Leigh;311869 Wrote: > Yes...but what music - it must have been something very specific? UH, I really don't remember. Definitely some audiophile jazz, opus3 or chesky maybe. But it's not about one song. I got my Squeze from frend in US (thanks Cico), built amp, and start listening. And sudde

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-14 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;311808 Wrote: > Listen music, hear something's wrong, start testing. > > Peace, Nenad Yes...but what music - it must have been something very specific? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-14 Thread Nonreality
Phil Leigh;311801 Wrote: > Oooh that's nasty - especially if they both decided to boost!Exactly, but > maybe one good thing about the loudness wars is you don't find that much anymore. The sad thing is that this "bug" was done on purpose. Plus the fact that peak clipping values aren't used.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-14 Thread sikahr
Phil Leigh;311802 Wrote: > That's a shame. Can you explain how you first noticed this problem? Listen music, hear something's wrong, start testing. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-14 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;311601 Wrote: > Unfortunatrelly, I don't have original rip (six months passed), but I > have wav (normalised to -45db) decoded from mp3 on PC. Compare this wav > to mp3: > http://www.driveway.com/u2b8k4z9t6 > > Peace, Nenad That's a shame. Can you explain how you first noticed thi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-14 Thread Phil Leigh
Nonreality;311689 Wrote: > Actually I wasn't talking about you in that post. I would hate for one > program to make me have to convert all my mp3's to flac, it's simple > but a hassle. But like you said it doesn't affect me. The replay gain > problem is if you happen to have had Itunes do it's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread andynormancx
Nonreality;311689 Wrote: > I would hate for one program to make me have to convert all my mp3's to > flac, it's simple but a hassle. But like you said it doesn't affect me. > No one has to convert any files from MP3 to FLAC to work around it, as long as their server has enough CPU power to tran

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Nonreality
Phil Leigh;311416 Wrote: > I'm not berating anyone! > > The OP keeps ignoring the fact that: > the issue is buried in the noisefloor of most systems > there is no evidence that anyone else has ever noticed the issue > there is a simple workaround (convert mp3 to flac) that fixes the > problem. >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
Phil Leigh;311587 Wrote: > The -45dB file was...louder. > > Maybe I'm missing something here. > > Can you post the mp3 fragment without any normalisation or changes in > level? so I can hear it exactly as it would be ripped? Unfortunatrelly, I don't have original rip (six months passed), but I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread darrenyeats
Enough already! We all agree that it's a bug, we all agree it will be fixed, we all agree there is a workaround with transcoding. Peace (as in "hold your"), Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;311583 Wrote: > First, about the workaround, there are no need for conversion, > transcoding workaround works superb. > > Second, You didn't say anything about first file (-45db). > > Please listen additional file: > http://www.driveway.com/v8x5g1b3p9 > > this is -60db file, it maybe gi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
First, about the workaround, there are no need for conversion, transcoding workaround works superb. Second, You didn't say anything about first file (-45db). Please listen additional file: http://www.driveway.com/v8x5g1b3p9 this is -60db file, it maybe gives best picture because music and arte

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Well I had to wind my system up gain 99 (out of 100) to hear the -75dB one...at which point I could hear what was left of the music and the artefacts. But I'm running the system so loud (with over 500 watts of active amplification) that normal music would be at the pain barrier!. Anyway - I stan

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread andynormancx
sikahr;311455 Wrote: > Transcoding workaround(mp3 decoding in full 24-bit,): > > Madplay get at http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-others.php > > Now please listen samples again to hear how they sound now. > I don't need to, I know that the artefacts will have gone away, because the x86 version of m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;311431 Wrote: > Phil, > > I challenge You to listen to these files: > > http://www.driveway.com/i1l4u7v3m4 > http://www.driveway.com/b6o9y7s2n1 > > This is short fragment of music normalized on -45db and -75db. > > Please listen to these files on some slimdevices and on some other mp3

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: > you'd have to have a much quieter amp than mine for it to be > noticable. > I mostly listen with Sennheiser HD580 and dirt cheap homemade "CMOY" headphone amp with burr-brown opamp. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: > I've listened and I'm afraid your samples just prove the previous point > that the artefacts are swamped by the noise floor of a typical > non-audiophile sound system. Yes I can hear the artefacts very clearly > when I turn up my amp way beyond where I would normally

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
andynormancx;311449 Wrote: > I > Is it possible to get it to transcode from MP3 to FLAC ? At least then > those few people who are really affected (MP3 users, with very good amps > and music with quiet passages) could have an easy work-around without > having to convert all their MP3s. Transcodi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread andynormancx
I've listened and I'm afraid your samples just prove the previous point that the artefacts are swamped by the noise floor of a typical non-audiophile sound system. Yes I can hear the artefacts very clearly when I turn up my amp way beyond where I would normally listen. But at normal listening leve

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread sikahr
Phil Leigh;311416 Wrote: > I'm not berating anyone! > > The OP keeps ignoring the fact that: > the issue is buried in the noisefloor of most systems > there is no evidence that anyone else has ever noticed the issue > there is a simple workaround (convert mp3 to flac) that fixes the > problem. >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Nonreality;311296 Wrote: > No, I don't want to hurt my old speakers. :( I just don't think that he > should be berated because he uses a format that some don't consider up > to their standards. But I think you have to be patient also because > it's not a huge thing. They should fix the replay

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-13 Thread pablolie
For the record, my carefully ripped MP3 files sound awesome on the SB, I have not encountered the described issue and kind of doubt I would encounter a scenario like that. Most people, upon playing good burn-in and test CDs (such as Sheffleid Labs) discover that their systems have frequency area

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-12 Thread Nonreality
Phil Leigh;311288 Wrote: > Yes well if you are the 1 in 10,000... you won't use MP3! > Anyway I think this is silly. Have you ever heard this "bug"?No, I don't want > to hurt my old speakers. :( I just don't think that he should be berated because he uses a format that some don't consider up to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-12 Thread Phil Leigh
Mitch Harding;311291 Wrote: > I believe Sean has verified it is a valid problem, so what are you > implying when you put the word bug in quotation marks? > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Phil Leigh > > wrote: > > Yes well if you are the 1 in 10,000... you won't use MP3! > > Anyway I think t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-12 Thread Mitch Harding
I believe Sean has verified it is a valid problem, so what are you implying when you put the word bug in quotation marks? On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Phil Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes well if you are the 1 in 10,000... you won't use MP3! > Anyway I think this is silly. Have you ever

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-12 Thread Phil Leigh
Nonreality;310301 Wrote: > So he shouldn't be able to get the best sound quality out of what he > has? Just because there exists something better? Maybe he already has > a couple of hundred albums encoded to Mp3. My car is not handling well > because they put the wrong tires on I'd like it fixe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-12 Thread pablolie
CardinalFang;309297 Wrote: > If we're talking about people on this audiophile forum, and so people > using transporters and SB3 in good hifi systems, I would guess that the > vast majority will be using lossless most of the time. My guess is that > people are only using MP3 because they have some

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-09 Thread Nonreality
cliveb;308940 Wrote: > You appear to be extremely worried about sound quality, and yet choose > to use MP3. These two positions strike me as curiously in conflict. > Surely if you're that worried about sound quality, you should switch to > a lossless codec (and then the MP3 bug wouldn't be an iss

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-09 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;310056 Wrote: > To Phil Leigh: > > Please accept my apology because I overreacted and use some words which > are inappropriate. > > Peace, Nenad Nenad, Apology Accepted Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call min

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-09 Thread sikahr
To Phil Leigh: Please accept my apology because I overreacted and use some words which are inappropriate. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-09 Thread sikahr
Robin Bowes;309312 Wrote: > > Nenad, > Calm down. > Ok, I'll try. Robin (and many others) points out this bug doesn't affect many people because: - Audiophiles don't listen to lossless - Average Joe don’t need high quality So, conclusion is, high quality mp3 playback is not impor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-07 Thread lostintime
Is the idea of ditching the current MAD decoder for mpg123 (http://www.mpg123.de) a viable one? mpg123 is being actively developed, unlike MAD. -- lostintime lostintime's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-06 Thread Robin Bowes
sikahr wrote: > So, there are two class of users: > > Audiophiles, real men who don't listen to mp3. > They are not affected by Mp3 bug because they don't listen to mp3. > > Ordinary user, poor men who listen to mp3. > They are not affected by Mp3 bug because: > - they don't have equipment for hi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-06 Thread CardinalFang
sikahr;309281 Wrote: > Because, ALMOST ALL users (use tapes)/(listens mp3). > > What is Your opinion, how many users of slimdevices use mp3 (in %)? If we're talking about people on this audiophile forum, and so people using transporters and SB3 in good hifi systems, I would guess that the vast

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-05 Thread Mitch Harding
Yeah, I have to concur here. I use FLAC whenever possible, but some music is only available to me in mp3 (ie exclusive downloads from emusic). I accept that it won't sound as good as my FLAC files, but I'd like it to sound as good as possible. I am not saying that SD has done a poor job in prior

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-05 Thread tcutting
I find a peice of the puzzle missing, however, when you're saying "you should really be using lossless instead." There's another thread/poll talking about downloaded music. For those who prefer the convenience of downloading source material, the obvious format is MP3 - take Amazon and their DRM

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-05 Thread CardinalFang
sikahr;308953 Wrote: > To CardinalFang and others who think that high quality MP3 decoding is > not important: The whole point behind all the comments made is that there is a better way of doing it - use a lossless format instead. Problem solved. The fact that the SB doesn't do as good a job as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-05 Thread Phil Leigh
sikahr;308953 Wrote: > To CardinalFang and others who think that high quality MP3 decoding is > not important: > > If that is the case, I think that it will be fair to Slimdevices > customers to change Slimdevices devices specification. > > Now it is: > > # MPEG decoding uses MAD software, wid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-05 Thread sikahr
To CardinalFang and others who think that high quality MP3 decoding is not important: If that is the case, I think that it will be fair to Slimdevices customers to change Slimdevices devices specification. Now it is: # MPEG decoding uses MAD software, widely regarded as the most accurate, most

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-05 Thread cliveb
sikahr;308923 Wrote: > My point of view is that soundquality related bugs have very high > priority You appear to be extremely worried about sound quality, and yet choose to use MP3. These two positions strike me as curiously in conflict. Surely if you're that worried about sound quality, you sho

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-05 Thread CardinalFang
sikahr;308923 Wrote: > My point of view is that soundquality related bugs have very high > priority, slimdevices obviously have opposite. Without wanting to fan any flames, anyone who is really interested in the highest quality would not be using a lossy format. I can't personally see any benefi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-04 Thread sikahr
Chris and Sean, thank for your answers, but me and Slimdevices have totally different perspective about importance and priority of this bug. My point of view is that soundquality related bugs have very high priority, slimdevices obviously have opposite. Chris and Sean, do You listen mp3s on you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-04 Thread seanadams
Sikahr, Not every bug can be fixed for every software release. Sometimes they are retargeted for future releases (sometimes specific releases, sometimes not) based on a variety of factors, including number of customers affected, severity (eg catch fire vs inconvenience), estimated time and resour

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-04 Thread ChrisOwens
The bug's still open, and the director of engineering is still cc'ed on it. I talked to Dean about this, and if anyone in the community is capable and interested in doing the work of fixing this bug (involving working on the Mad decoder in Ubicom IP3K C or assembly) you should definitely contact

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-06-04 Thread sikahr
fresh news from: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6231 Christopher Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> changed: What|Removed |Added Severity|major |normal Target Mileston

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-01-15 Thread Mitch Harding
I care. But the bug is open, so it's in the gods' hands now! On Jan 15, 2008 4:57 AM, Pat Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sikahr wrote: > > Come on slimdevices, you can squash that bug! > > No one cares. > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ > > > __

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-01-15 Thread Pat Farrell
sikahr wrote: > Come on slimdevices, you can squash that bug! No one cares. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-01-15 Thread funkstar
sikahr;258779 Wrote: > Shiping new product with known flaws in reproduction, hmm Oh, like thats never happened with any other product by other manufacturers? :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevice

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2008-01-15 Thread sikahr
Bump I ,from specs, presume that new Duet have same mp3 decoder in firmware as Squeezebox. Shiping new product with known flaws in reproduction, hmm Come on slimdevices, you can squash that bug! -- sikahr sikahr's Pro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-31 Thread Kurt
Oh wait, I'm in the Audiophile forum. ;-) Happy New Year everyone! -- Kurt Main Entry: au·dio·phile Pronunciation: 'o-dE-O-"fI(-&)l Function: noun : a person who takes the pursuit of high-fidelity sound reproduction so seriously that they don't have to listen to music anymore. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-31 Thread Mnyb
I placed my vote on the bug ! and this bug: (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5119) Why ? while i'm dont use much mp3, or volume control, replay gain or normalization etc.I prefer flac to a digital input in my surround processor, where further processing takes place (another argument

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-24 Thread Robin Bowes
dcolak wrote: > Robin Bowes;248793 Wrote: >> dcolak wrote: >> >>> I'm an audiophile and I do want my 320kbps mp3 files to sound as good >>> as they can. Or... maybe I'm not an audophile because I have mp3s? >> :-) >> >> You got it :) >> >> R. > > Oh my God, I'll have to erase all my 320kbps mp3 f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-24 Thread dcolak
Robin Bowes;248793 Wrote: > dcolak wrote: > > > I'm an audiophile and I do want my 320kbps mp3 files to sound as good > > as they can. Or... maybe I'm not an audophile because I have mp3s? > :-) > > You got it :) > > R. Oh my God, I'll have to erase all my 320kbps mp3 files! I thought I was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-14 Thread sikahr
As I said before, brings noting good. -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40409 __

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-14 Thread Robin Bowes
sikahr wrote: > Robin, > > I beg You, please stay out of this thread. > Your comments brings nothing good. This thread is effectively finished. You should be following the bug report for updates. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6231 > You have no interest in MP3 and I don't know wha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-14 Thread sikahr
Robin, I beg You, please stay out of this thread. Your comments brings nothing good. You have no interest in MP3 and I don't know what You are doing here. Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-13 Thread Robin Bowes
dcolak wrote: > I'm an audiophile and I do want my 320kbps mp3 files to sound as good > as they can. Or... maybe I'm not an audophile because I have mp3s? :-) You got it :) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-13 Thread dcolak
Robin Bowes;248331 Wrote: > No need to refresh the thread - there's a case logged in the Slim > Devices bug tracking system. I'm not angry, just sick of you going on > about this bug. This is the Audiophile forum and I would hazard a > guess > that 99.999% of people here use flac, myself included

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread nicketynick
sikahr;248398 Wrote: > I think all depends on future format of music at music online stores. > Most people don't do transcoding. > > Peace, Nenad Yep, it all depends on what the customer pays for. So far the prevailing trend has been towards increasing quality (from 32kbps, to 64, to 128, et

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
I think all depends on future format of music at music online stores. Most people don't do transcoding. Peace, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: h

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread nicketynick
sikahr;248384 Wrote: > Hi Phil, maybe You are right. But You disregard online services which > sell music already compressed, this is important factor in my opinion. > > My theory is that almost all music in the future will be compressed, > only small circle of audiophiles will care about lossle

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Fifer
sikahr;248384 Wrote: > My theory is that almost all music in the future will be compressed, > only small circle of audiophiles will care about lossless music. I really think that the reverse will happen. Networks and the internet will become quicker, memory will continue to become cheaper and fi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
Phil Leigh;248370 Wrote: > On a more serious note, I think MP3's days on this planet are numbered. > I mean, it's only a matter of time before storage/bandwidth is so cheap > that nobody will be bothered to compress anything. Anyone remember the > early days on the WWW/Internet? It's rather diffe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
funkstar;248380 Wrote: > You mean there are tests that show FLAC is better than MP3? > > wow! can you post a link? No, I mean there are test that shows that mp3 is transparent to lossless (flac...) cheers, Nenad -- sikahr ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread funkstar
sikahr;248294 Wrote: > You know this for the fact, I mean you did double blind test. > All tests on hydrogenaudio means nothing to You? You mean there are tests that show FLAC is better than MP3? wow! can you post a link? -- funkstar ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Phil Leigh
On a more serious note, I think MP3's days on this planet are numbered. I mean, it's only a matter of time before storage/bandwidth is so cheap that nobody will be bothered to compress anything. Anyone remember the early days on the WWW/Internet? It's rather different these days. Given that compr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Phil Leigh
Fifer;248363 Wrote: > I missed that the second time round too. ;) It's easy to miss. Look for a small amount of lossy compression around the left ear. I think the conversation went like this: Keeper "would you like some fruit?" Gorilla "Banana" Keeper "I only have this Apple" -- Phil Leigh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Fifer
Phil Leigh;248350 Wrote: > I've seen that video too...if you look very carefully I believe the > gorilla is weearing an iPod :o) I missed that the second time round too. ;) -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdev

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Phil Leigh
Fifer;248329 Wrote: > Agreed; everyone has the right to choose. > > > > Timothy makes some very good points above in this respect. Our senses > are very easily fooled and are quite capable of being both conditioned > and trained. We might hear differences, but not notice that we are > hearing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Fifer
sikahr;248325 Wrote: > Nothing is wrong or right here, it's really question of choice. Agreed; everyone has the right to choose. sikahr Wrote: > You want to be sure 100%, I believe my ears&brain. Timothy makes some very good points above in this respect. Our senses are very easily fooled and a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Robin Bowes
sikahr wrote: > Robin, it seems You live here on this forum.:) Actually, I read forum msgs via the gmane nntp interface. > > Anyway, my post is little joke to refresh thread, don't understand way > you are so serious&angry. No need to refresh the thread - there's a case logged in the Slim Devic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
Folks, nothing is wrong to go lossless. I don't want to argue with you about your decision to go lossless. It's totally super duper OK. But I go with MP3 because of space reduction, and results of my listening tests. Nothing is wrong or right here, it's really question of choice. You want to b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Timothy Stockman
sikahr;248302 Wrote: > Do You hear any differences between properly coded mp3 and lossless on > normal listening levels. > > I think for 99.% of population answer is no. IMHO, the answer is a little more complex than that. I believe that many who do not hear a difference could, but do not b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Fifer
sikahr;248302 Wrote: > Hi Pat, > no question about that mp3 is better quality then lossless (nonsense). > > Right question is: > > Do You hear any differences between properly coded mp3 and lossless on > normal listening levels. Possibly, possibly not. But even *if* not now, I may improve somet

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Pat Farrell
sikahr wrote: > Do You hear any differences between properly coded mp3 and lossless on > normal listening levels. > > I think for 99.% of population answer is no. So my decision is to > go with mp3 because of space savings & zero quality reduction. I have a very serious stereo, I've paid tens

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
Hi Mark, going lossless is by definition best quality, You can't go wrong that way. But MP3 is for me and I believe millions others very acceptable solution. cheers, Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimde

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Mark Lanctot
seanadams;244673 Wrote: > I think for 99.% of population answer is no. Have you done a poll then? > So my decision is to go with mp3 because of space savings & zero quality > reduction. Imperceptible maybe, but never zero by definition. That fact bothers a great many of us, enough to warr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
Hi Pat, no question about that mp3 is better quality then lossless (nonsense). Right question is: Do You hear any differences between properly coded mp3 and lossless on normal listening levels. I think for 99.% of population answer is no. So my decision is to go with mp3 because of space sa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Pat Farrell
sikahr wrote: >> 2. Use flac - it's better than mp3 anyway. > > You know this for the fact, I mean you did double blind test. > All tests on hydrogenaudio means nothing to You? Yes, I know it for a fact. FLAC is lossless. By design and implementation. MP3 is lossy. It throws away signal that it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
Robin, it seems You live here on this forum.:) Anyway, my post is little joke to refresh thread, don't understand way you are so serious&angry. P.S. Robin Bowes;248291 Wrote: > > 2. Use flac - it's better than mp3 anyway. > You know this for the fact, I mean you did double blind test. All t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread Robin Bowes
sikahr wrote: > Heeelp, heeelp, slimdevices engineers, little bugs are eating our > signal. > > > +---+ > |Filename: sinus1kHz -90dB.jpg | > |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-12-11 Thread sikahr
Heeelp, heeelp, slimdevices engineers, little bugs are eating our signal. +---+ |Filename: sinus1kHz -90dB.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3833| +--

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-29 Thread mvalera
Hey Guys, If you want to keep up on the progress on this bug, please goto: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6231 Cheers, Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-29 Thread sikahr
Hi dcote, thank you for listening. dcote;246053 Wrote: > > however: i can only hear the artifact if the track is quiet and the > volume is turned WAY up. > This is it. Bug is not showstoper but very annoying on hi-fi gear. My rough estimation is that generated noise is about -50 - -60 dB.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-29 Thread dcote
update: i just did some reading of the entire thread (9 pages!?) and noticed new (music!) test samples from dcolak. i downloadad and listened to them and i am SHOCKED. i can hear a SEVERE background noise, which is modulated by the music. my GF can hear it too and she does not have audiophile ea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-29 Thread sikahr
Hi dcote, You can try bug workaround listed above if you want ( tested only in 7.0). Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-29 Thread dcote
amazing how much attraction this thread is getting for the fact that "nobody" is interested in MP3 format. ;-) personally, i appreciate these guy's efforts, because my GF is not technically savvy enough to rip her music to any other format than MP3. that means that half our collection (~3000 song

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread sikahr
And now for my hosts audiophiles, mp3 decoding in full 24-bit, as promised in slimdevices promo material: mp3 flc * * [madplay] --output=wave:- --replay-gain=audiophile --attenuate=-0 --very-quiet --bit-depth=24 $FILE$ | [flac] -cs --totally-silent --compression-level-0 --endian big --si

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread dcolak
sikahr;245894 Wrote: > Strange. > It works for me on 7.0. > Try restart machine and enable madplay at mp3 file type. > Good luck. > > Nenad > > P.S. Nisi slucajno Damir Čolak(moj kolega s posla)? :)) It must be the version, I'll install the 7.0 and try it again. P.S. Ha, jesam Damir Čolak, al

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread sikahr
Sorry for offtopic on Croatian: Živio Damire, imaš imenjaka kod mene u Splitu pozdrav Nenad -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread sikahr
Must looks like this (NOKIA 770 skin): +---+ |Filename: ftypes.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3766| +-

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread sikahr
Strange. It works for me on 7.0. Try restart machine and enable madplay at mp3 file type. Good luck. Nenad P.S. Nisi slucajno Damir Čolak(moj kolega s posla)? :)) -- sikahr sikahr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread dcolak
snarlydwarf;245886 Wrote: > So it's rare? > > See Rarewares.org then: http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-others.php > > 'This thread' > (http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-13677.html) makes > that appear to be a Windows executable. Thanks. Unfortunately, it didn't work. Squeezebox re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread snarlydwarf
dcolak;245879 Wrote: > Thanks. Where did you get madplay from? I visited a thousand open source > sites and never found a simple option to download win32 executable. :-(( So it's rare? See Rarewares.org then: http://www.rarewares.org/mp3-others.php 'This thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread dcolak
sikahr;245831 Wrote: > Try this. > > In convert.conf add > > mp3 wav * * > [madplay] --very-quiet --bit-depth=24 --output=wave:- $FILE$ > > and add madplay.exe to BIN server directory. > > Restart, and test MP3 playback. > > Unfortunatelly, this dont work OK, I get mix between music and nois

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread dcolak
sikahr;245831 Wrote: > Try this. > > In convert.conf add > > mp3 wav * * > [madplay] --very-quiet --bit-depth=24 --output=wave:- $FILE$ > > and add madplay.exe to BIN server directory. > > Restart, and test MP3 playback. > > Unfortunatelly, this dont work OK, I get mix between music and nois

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Posible bug in built-in MP3 decoder - please verify

2007-11-28 Thread dcolak
Fifer;245803 Wrote: > MP3? Audiophile? Are you in a mischevious mood today Michael? ;) I dare you to notice difference between 320 kbps and a wav! :-)) -- dcolak dcolak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php

  1   2   >