Thanks Macca.
It is certainly very difficult to get a mixed message here: Sullenberger makes
his viewpoint crystal clear.
Talking about mixed messages, I was earlier trying to make some sense out of
the last bit of the transcript from the flight without much luck. However one
of the other
Hi All,
A rather dark and depressing - it should never have happened - event, from
which obviously lessons have been learnt: Pity about the cost in human lives!
I didn't see the TV program that Ross refers to, so maybe some of what I
mention below, may have been touched on.
Whilst it is a bit
Good try buddy, but you slipped up on one vital point. We all know that Ingo
flies (and flew) out of TOCUMWAL - not Benalla.
- Original Message -
From: james dutschke
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:21 PM
Subject: Re:
Mike's question is a fair one. As I recall, the saying at the time was that you
needed to own 3 units for one installation: One in the glider, one at the
factory, and one in transit!
Maybe Griffo will pay you to take them away?
Yeah, I agree with Macca. Griffo might also have manual or two in
Yeah, Just right click on her name, and you have it. ...!!
Gary
- Original Message -
From: chee...@internode.on.net
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 115, Issue 13
Tim,
Hi All,
This is really a BS issue of little relevance to anything, given that the
scales served their purpose, in establishing that it was essential to keep
hydrated whilst flying gliders.
However the point here is just exactly where are the scales today? given that
they are without doubt GFA
Hi Ann,
Thanks for getting back to me. I note the name spelling mistake!
Don't worry about digging out the old files. However do you know if Maurie came
to any conclusions from the heart rate info?
Cheers,
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Ann Woolf
To:
Yeah Mark, I agree that a good working wheel-brake is essential.
I seem to recall that something similar to what you described with the Arrow
also happened on the Benalla airfield - I think it was about the time of the
last pre-worlds. Maybe some old Benalla hand can supply the details?
The
Further to my earlier posting, I recall that something similar happened to one
of our Ozzie pilots in a pre-worlds in Italy, quite some years ago. I may not
have the story exactly right, but as I understand it, the ship he was flying
had a tail wheel, and after he had done his ground run up the
As I remember, it went more like this ...NEVER FLY THROUGH THE SAME BAD AIR
TWICE! which gives the advice a whole new depth of meaning, seeing that this
was one of the few pieces of information in the book - and the book is full of
useful information - to be so notated, and is the ONLY axiom
Hi Adam,
Glad you are only hearing things, as opposed to seeing things i.e.
hallucinating!
Perhaps this V3 will be a worthy successor to the legendary Nambus 4 which
was reputed to have a glide ratio flatter than the curvature of the earth!
???
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Adam
Hi Mike,
Thank God - He used it you know, for communicating with Moses - that you did
not use SLATE as your medium!
Thanks for the translation.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Mike Timbrell
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Sent: Friday, March 08,
Peter,
That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
fairly), done?
Re poor task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
early/finish late is actually as a general principle, just the opposite - at a
National level and probably a State level
Hi Tim,
Roaming hands are common worldwide, but the Romans are now gone, and except for
specialists - have you read the ultimate text (The Specialist), on dunny
building by the way? - {another example of lost knowledge}, so is the Latin
language! Thank God for google fish, but I am a bit
Ron,
It is because they have flaps, of course!
However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m
(Racing) Class.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Ron Sanders
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23
Nicely put Bernard!
I see that you now fully understand the implications of your initial email to
which I strongly objected!
All this aside, I for one, freely acknowledge the huge effort that you have
made to firstly improving the status of XC gliding in SA, and to a lesser
extent, within
Hi All,
Here is an interesting post, that has not got any response - to date.
It seems to me that there might be issues well worth considering further, by
members of this forum.
I would hope that Terry Cubly, as Chairman of the Development Committee,
might respond appropriately.
Emilis's
Ian,
I've got it!
A very good reminder.
Don't do this unless it is a means of last resort. If it is the latter, the
question is how did you get into the situation in the first place?
Thanks.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Ian Mc Phee
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring
Bernard,
I am horrified by this story. I have no reason to doubt the facts as you have
presented them!
Having said that, I am keeping in mind, the following .. your story, her
story, and the right story!
I consider that this is NOT a topic suitable UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES that needs
to be
Hi,
May I ask why you are conducting this poll?
Regardless of the answer to this question, I fully agree with the answer
given by Tom Claffey.
However, all things being equal, the primary question remains, why land
behind a row of parked gliders, when you have MULTIPLE other options
available
Nice one Arie.
You do bring a bit of costing perspective into the argument here.
The YouTube footage is interesting (horrific?), but I suspect basically
irrelevant.
I think that any glider pilot who knows anything about the problem, does not
want to experience an inflight cockpit fire UNDER
Mike,
Spot on!
Has the Co actually produced a prototype? It seems highly doubtful.
Lots of engines there - to go wrong. What happens if you loose 1, 2 , 3, all
of them at the same time?
How much?
I like the concept of flying it from the back yard to the local club for a
game of golf.
Ron,
There is a bit more to it than that! The files also can take some time to load
so be patient.
Once you have got to the CASA site select search Civil aircraft register
scroll down and select Search the Aircraft register. This is under a
sub-heading Aircraft register data. Once the Search
Hi John,
It is obvious that you have gone to some trouble and time to investigate the
situation, and to make this post. Your post seems well reasoned.
Do any other members of this forum have any constructive criticisms of John's
post, or can add to the information that John has supplied?
Hi All,
On several flights I have done a flight that seems (by inspection), to
includes a nice (FAI), triangle, and indeed shows up on the SeeYou site as a
substantial - say 200 - 400 km - FAI triangle, and yet the OLC site manages to
find a max FAI triangle of about 6 km or so for this very
Hi Adam All,
Sigh!
When all else fails, I guess one needs to read, absorb, understand, and apply
the rules!
As many a glider pilot has found out to their cost, what a difference a metre
or ten can make!
Thank you all.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Adam Webb
To:
Hi Mike,
I agree entirely.
Re girly men tasks, having read this comment, I instantly sent your email
to the recycle bin. However I have now reconsidered and I would like your
opinion, given that (amazingly), competition tasking is one topic that does
not seem to have been discussed on this
An electric carving knife does the job.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Roger Harrop
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: FW: Safety Cushions
Ian,
We are about to experiment
You will find that Maddog Composites in Qld are the Australian Agents.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Christopher McDonnell
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Wing covers
Hi,
Has anybody had any
Pam,
That is hard to credit. Did the person you were dealing with give you an exact
reference to the appropriate legislation (Act) to support this contention?
As a matter of principle, have you tried contacting the Commonwealth Government
Ombudsman on this?[I assume such a position exists]
In
Slightly off subject. There are two towns in Pennsylvania, USA, about 4 km
apart. Travelling roughly N to SW, to get from one town to the other, we have
this situation: You go through Intercourse to get to Paradise.
- Original Message -
From: Pam Kurstjens
To: 'tom claffey' ;
Nice one Stuart. Love the Olympic association that you made here. My
congratulations to the winners.{I hope they notched the barographs?}
As to the tuggie: Give the poor ol' bugga a beer and a feed, and send him to
bed, so that he can do it all again tomorrow and tomorrow ... and
Ron,
Why do you want the empty weight? If you are importing a trailer into
Australia it is not required information.
Some of what follows was covered in my more general article on Importing a
Glider, which appeared in Gliding Australia Issue 3 November - December 2011.
What you must do, is
Ron,
In the supporting documentation, also include a copy of the purchase document -
invoice, receipt, or bill of sale for the trailer. Remember that this
particular document will also be used by another Department to calculate the
Sales Tax and GST that you must pay. Have a look at that
Hi Christopher,
You are not taking into account the mass on the towball.
Are you sure that your understanding of the question that the QLD people are
asking is correct? It seems to be a backwards looking question. The three
things normally required in a perfect world, (and maybe less in
Opps! I must amend one of the task TPs. Substitute Jerilderie A/F for
Deniliquin A/F. I could say just testing (Deniliquin gives 904 km - I wish),
but I would be lying. Sorry about that!
Incidentally, before GPS, and I can't pin the date when I got my first machine,
we had to measure distances
Hi Patch,
I am for sure NOT knocking Wooden/Vintage gliders as such. Carefully note
that in my recent post I was referring to 1-26 gliders only - mostly
constructed of metal: What are their fatigue limits I wonder?. Have any
tests been done to establish a base? HOWEVER despite your disclaimers
Very good Simon! WPP certainly has some support for his 7 year theory
there. Many would say that if it is in the Bible it must be true. Now where
is that dratted cup of mine? I have to consult the tea leaves.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Simon Holding shold...@hotmail.com
To:
Hallo Simon,
Did you notice if you drop the y off year, you get ear, which is of
course very relevant to Genesis 41.
However when it comes to ears, I prefer Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, Act
III, Scene II, with includes Mark Antony's speech beginning Friend's
Romans, countrymen, lend me your
Hi Patch,
Please enlighten me. What are the achieved benchmarks - both official and
unofficial - for a Boomerang/Super Arrow, that you know about? I seem to
recall that a couple of SA pilots were doing flights of 600k plus, many
years ago, including at least one flight across Spencer Gulf. Do
WPP,
I think the weather cycle goes in 7 yr increments. Now that is a very
brave statement indeed!
Memory is a fallible thing, but I seem to recall (from many -30/40? -years
ago), that the Dutch had to hand at that time, over 400 years worth of
continuous weather records. This data (exactly
Hi Tom,
Hopefully one of the members of the HW Committee will see your email, take up
your suggestion, and let us all know that it is done.
Cheers,
Gary
- Original Message -
From: tom claffey
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Friday, July 13,
Hi Tom,
Re Horsham Week dates:
Think Starts on the first Saturday in February and you are 99% there!
A quick glance at the calendar then gives you the dates: 2 February 2013 - 9
February 2013, inclusive.
This calculation method has not changed in 40+ years! I totally agree that the
Horsham
Hi All,
In the good old days I did a couple of runs in the RAAF hypobaric chamber at
Pt Cook, with another nineteen glider pilots. This chamber was much later
relocated to Edinburgh SA airforce base, and as far as I know is still in use
there today, by the military.
As Ian says, it was an
Thanks Rob.
That confirms Ian M's post.
I wonder if the rationale has been documented, and if so, is the document
available to us taxpayers?
Can you add some background/detail?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Rob Moore
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Hi Mike,
Thanks for that information. Very clear and logical.
Anthony Smith's earlier forecast on this site, seems to me to have a ring of
truth, validity, and inevitability about it sigh!
And all this, despite the great statistical work that was done on the subject
by Dr Bob Hall (ex
Mike,
Nicely put.
I was hoping that you would get around to putting pen to paper.
Thanks for the update.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Mike Durrant
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring]
Hi Ron,
Have you made it to WA yet?
Tut, tut, tut. Graft and corruption in Argentina; how can you possibly say
that? In this case, I think that what you really meant to say was that a
certain party has been granted a special franchise to handle the customs
arrangements.
I am sure you
Paul,
Greetings.
Your comment might be true, but it is meaningless in the present context.
From your statement I suspect that you have not flown a PW 5 for 100 hours or
so, and probably not even for 1 hour.
We are talking quite different orders of (REDUCED), magnitude of performance
here
Stu,
I looked into this a year or two back. I think there was somebody (not Garmin),
in the US who offered do something (but very expensive -$100 plus?, and
shipping on top of that) - otherwise bad luck old chap! If I remember correctly
the factory was in Thailand. Units had to go back to the
Peter,
I am tempted to say put it into a container, launch the container into the
Ocean, and start paddling. Probably just a little better than the proverbial
barbed wire canoe, so make sure all your insurance covers are up to date!
More realistically, what you need to do is to get in
Brian,
Similar to my thoughts too!
In addition we all know that the skyscape can have many colours, if we are
talking about anything other than a perfectly cloudless day at high noon.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Brian Du Rieu
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent:
Nicely said Bernard.
Now let us see how it works in practice!
{On first glance it seems very clear and straightforward, with no fine tuning
required.This seems almost too good to be true.}
Gary
- Original Message -
From: ec...@internode.on.net
To:
Peter,
I think you have got to the nub of it, but I am somewhat surprised that you
feel it necessary to bring this topic up again.
Whilst Stu's figures are no doubt valid for actual strikes, the near misses
hardly ever get reported, and therefore tallied up into (yet another), set
of
Sean,
With respect, I posit that you totally miss PS 's point. What he is
suggesting is that EVERY recreational aircraft (GA, RAAus, Gliding), be
fitted with flarm. No flawed logic there! I earlier drew comparison with the
mandating of compulsory use of seat belts in motor vehicles -somewhat
Terry,
Very well said.
There is little else that needs saying here, other than there seems to be a
certain degree of paranoia apparent in the comments you have gathered together
and so nicely laid out below. I had intended to totally ignore them when they
first appeared, but let me now make
Hi Mike, Mike Borgelt in particular, and All,
Very nicely put.
I note in particular your comment ...and the amount of knowledge gained from
NZ investigations is not significantly higher than here. I suspect that you
could widen NZ to Worldwide.
At the risk of seeming outrageous, let me say
Matt,
Some good stuff there. Another thing that can work against a pilot is getting
QNE and QNH confused - ie the pilot thinks he is higher than he actually is. I
suspect that this has been a contributing factor in at least a couple of
fatalities over the years.
In the Ararat case the glider
Hi Mike,
I have today found out that Leigh was referring to something else - namely the
GFA President's job in a rather tongue-in-cheek fashion. However at the time of
his death Maurice was still doing good work for the GFA, so my first line
stands. It is never easy to replace dedicated
Yeah. Maurice Little is dead. Want the job?
I suggest that this thread be terminated NOW, unless you have something
positive to contribute.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Leigh Youdale lmyoud...@me.com
To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:22 PM
Hi All,
As most of you know we (Grampians Soaring Club), lost a couple of members last
weekend in a tragic accident.
Our Puchacz 2 seater was also written off, and will need replacing, preferably
(but not necessarily) with another Puchacz.
Can anyone help here, or even suggest a possible lead?
Hi All,
As an eye witness, I can say that (maybe unfortunately), for once these reports
are basically correct!
However there is no mystery here whatsoever. In order to stop rampant
speculation, let me tell you that the glider was at times out of station for
much of the tow, to the point where
Right on Mark!
There was a property owner with a considerable land holding who lived about
20 k north of Horsham, Victoria. He hated gliders and glider pilots - my
understanding is that he had a bad experience or two.Glider pilots new to
Horsham were given a briefing on the location of this
Talking of riding:
When you think about it, participation in vigorous sex - especially for aged
males - is probably far more dangerous, with or without either a horse or
helmet . although I think helmet in this context has a slightly
different meaning.
Cheers
Gary
- Original Message
Mark,
That is very Zen, just like contemplating getting the clap ...eh the sound
of a one handed clap.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Cc: Discussion of
Hi Anthony,
Plausible that he was over unlandable terrain without landing options . However
your postulate raises the question as to how/why this could come about. Your
last supposition is somewhat debatable, given that the image shows the glider
in mature growth trees. in this situation my
Hi Adam,
looks like I've got some catching up to do over the coming 25 years
...
ME TOO!
Shall we just grow younger with each passing year, or in my case anyway,
maybe that should read ...just regress?
Good luck in Round 2 at Narromine. See you there soon.
I look forward to congratulating
Hi All,
Couldn't get a launch today, or earlier in the month on the 16 January.
On the 16th the thermals started mid-morning and were VERY audible all day
.They continued until late evening. This day was definitely a once a year day.
Plenty of potential for an easy 1000 km, in almost any
The flight is written up in AG - May 1982. Flown on 17 Jan 1982:
Mildura -Lascelles-Ivanhoe- Broken Hill- Mildura - 1042 km. 1001 km actually
achieved.Some interesting country overflown there! Take off at 10.35,
landing (in a paddock 15 km north of Wentworth) at 9.00 pm. He flew 954 km
(1025
Thanks Macca.
That is handy information. I suspected that there might be variations, between
brands, so it is good to have this confirmed.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: ian mcphee
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:35
Stuart,
As a matter of interest, can you please list the pilots and their aircraft? Was
it a first (official), diamond climb for any of these pilots?
Regards,
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Stuart Kerri FERGUSON
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent:
Tom,
If you get no joy here, I am sure that David Sheridan at Gas Strut
Engineering will be able to look after you, and custom build you something
if necessary, without breaking the bank.
Address is 11 Leo Street Fawkner Victoria 3060, ph 03 9357 2821, mobile 0408
334 411, email:
Yeah, you are right, it does look like a Lotus Flower . but it is
supposed to be a Waratah!
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Justin Couch jus...@vlc.com.au
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Sunday, September 25,
John,
Your last 7 words sum the situation up nicely but possibly some genius may
be able to turn this to advantage.
As I recall the original research (and of course as we know from our own
experience), the only useful positive finding was that the reflected flash of
sunlight off a highly
Anybody else having recent trouble connecting to this site?
Anybody got Mark Newton's contact details? Please advise details offline.
Regards,
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Congratulations Bernard. Well done. That is a great cover photo too.
Can you please post up an English translation of Ingo's and Michael's
words?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Jeeze JR, stop dreaming up good ideas: You is likely to end up wit brain
damage! I suspect that even the Insurance Pros are having trouble making their
100% profit, from gliding related premiums. I think that Mike Borgelt
{greetings Mike} might agree that if the GFA became involved, then
Hi Macca, JR, All,
A couple of very nice postings, that gives some perspective, on this vexing
subject.
Yeah the AEF fee to GFA is large, but I have never heard of any AEF person
bucking about this. I very much suspect that much of this is because they
really don't understand just what is
Cath,
Remember, that as things stand, this $30 fee gives the lucky AEF person 3 days
membership of the GFA.
I therefore suggest to you that it is a measure of YOUR club's nous, as to how
you market this. Hint - the more you winch launches you give, the cheaper (on
average), each individual
JR,
Yes ...I agree ... but WPP is not a mind reader!.
What about giving him some contact details for these people - I suggest off
list - but with a posting to indicate that you have done this. If you don't
have the details, please say so, as of course how to make contact these pilots
Re old blokes I am tempted to make a few comments.
It is certain that when HWG started on the path that he blazed, he was in
fact a young bloke.
We were once all young blokes.
So what differentiates HWG, from you and me?
1. He was totally dedicated and committed to achieving challenging
Hi Mike and All,
If you really want to buy one, I have HDY (15/16.6m configurations), with many
extras ready to go, with a fresh Form 2, at around $60,000! Google Mike
Maddock's site at Maddog Composites, and check out Trading Post for basic
details and a photo. If this appeals, either email me
Hi Ross,
I understand that the HC was reviewing handicaps, mainly to update and/or
correct anomalies resulting from incorrect original input data, new data,
manufacturer's changes to designs, and such like, rather than making radical
changes.
In a volunteer organisation, it is not surprising
Hi Mal,
Please note my subject line!
Re the Cheat Trophy, - given that you felt/still feel so strongly about this -
I sent you an email some time back (as you well know), outlining some positive
steps that you could take to legally and impartially resolve this issue (one
way or another) - EVEN
Thanks Ross. Yeah winning the trophy is a heavy cross to bear, but I guess
Bruce will cope! Incidentally I liked Butch's alternative take on winning -
keep a low profile this year, and then come from nowhere and win. Lets hope
that Bruce, and other Aussies can repeat the performance next year,
Hi Terry,
Vey interesting.
I gave Max a call earlier tonight, and you are right!
Are you aware that he has built two of these infernal devices? He told me
building the Horsham one kept him amused for weeks. His memories of the whole
thing are now a bit vague, but he obviously remembers
Hi Terry,
I think for both clocks it was fully manual (as opposed to fully automatic), by
the use of the Mk 1 eyeball and a watch set to official time. In the first
case, on cue the appropriate valves would be manually opened or closed. In the
second case the panel team would manually either
Hi WPP,
Sorry, can't help you, but as a matter of interest, can you please describe to
me exactly what a 15m or 16m stub is?
Looks like S-H itself made only 11 of the 75B model gliders in Germany, but of
course they subbied much of their work out too, to factories in other countries.
If you are
Hi Mart,
First let me say that Tim Shirley's response to your email should give you
about 99% of the background, and as Tim says size does matter, for reasons
that I discuss below. I do not know for how long you have been gliding, but
I have been doing it for a while! Most of what follows does
Spot on. Re parachutes; not only picked, but also packed. Good riggers can
alter the way the parachute material is placed in the pack to make you more
comfortable.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: tom claffey
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent:
Hallo All,
Preamble
For years, there has been robust debate in this country, on the subject of team
flying in Australian Competitions. Some pilots are strongly for it, some
strongly against it, and some are ambivalent. Some pilots have been known to
change their viewpoint, when their own
Hi Tom,
Good to hear from you. Re your earlier post on Mac and the Diana 2, my
understanding of this situation is that landing problems are about par for the
course! Take-offs too in this ship are also supposed to be quite interesting,
probably for exactly the same reasons you alluded to. I am
Hi Rolf,
I see that you entirely missed the point of this post. The heading should have
given you your first clue.
To my knowledge, there has not been ANY discussion on trying to put some
numbers on the value of team flying.
So .. do YOU think that good team flying (on average), gives the team
Untitled DocumentRolf,
I am almost certain that the possibility of being able to set fixed tasks (and
run tasks), as well as AAT's is contained in the general rules. Tasking can of
course be modified by the local rules, which I think is what happened last
time. Even if all tasking options are
No problems. I am using the same browser as yourself.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Rodda
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:22 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA Website (iMIS)
I have consistently had problems using the GFA website
Good to hear from you Bruce.
Nice story.
Under these circumstances I wonder how/why Paul was credited with the Photo?
It raises the further point about royalty payment. Did Paul receive a payment
from the SMH for the use of his photo?
What do you lawyers out there say?
Re the photo being a
Hi Mandy,
Good luck to you and Peter, and especially to the selected pilots - they are
without doubt the cream of the OZ Junior crop. I am certain they will give
it their all.
It will be interesting to see what weather Musbach turns on for the comp,
and how our boys handle the conditions.
I say old chap, anyone for cricket?
GS
- Original Message -
From: Christopher Mc Donnell
To: Gliding mail list
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:10 AM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Yorkshiremen hitting boundaries
These are two seperate incidents on Sunday.
Mobile phones of
Poetry on Aus-Soaring?
What is the world are we coming to?
Heaven forbid such things as couth and culture on this site!
Aus-soaring is for invigorating rough and tumble discussion and uncensored
debate [on matters sometimes?? aviation related] ..isn't it?
And yet rough tumble;
Hi All,
I would very much like to know the process/history on how 'cloud flying came
to be banned for gliders (in Australia), and when. I am somewhat surprised that
as an ex British Colony - read we used to do what the Brits did even long
after Federation - and cloud flying in gliders is, and
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