Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Mr. Brigham Young
--- Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 25-Jul-2002 Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:52:16 -0700 (PDT) "Mr. Brigham Young" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Q: How do you make a Pentium III perform like a 386? > >> A: Use Java Apps > > > > Boy have you bee

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
>> It was my understanding that it was based off of Blackbox. > > Teach me to open my fool mouth... if it's based off of Blackbox, it's only > in spirit, 'cause even *I* can tell the two of them don't look anything > like each other. > > Like Gnome

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Marc Wilson
;> further reading reports that Sun's marketing group has declared > > >> GNOME/Sawfish > > >> the only truly supported Linux desktop environment. Not KDE/Kwin, not E, > > >> Sawfish. Period. Under Solaris they support Sawfish and CDE. > > >

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Marc Wilson
>> GNOME/Sawfish > >> the only truly supported Linux desktop environment. Not KDE/Kwin, not E, > >> Sawfish. Period. Under Solaris they support Sawfish and CDE. > > > > Except that Gnome has switched to Metacity as of 2.0, which is Blackbox (or > > used to

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
t; pixels and such) - *Covering my head from flying coffee cups/other > easily accessible/throwable desktop objects* =). > it is definately different with each jvm. > So I've tried three different JVMs now, none of them likes to cooperate > with Blackbox. Also worth mentioni

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Øyvind Stegard
10 pixels and such) - *Covering my head from flying coffee cups/other easily accessible/throwable desktop objects* =). So I've tried three different JVMs now, none of them likes to cooperate with Blackbox. Also worth mentioning, all applications I've tried are quite heavy, and needs a bit of loading time. I think I remember hearing someone talk about this.

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 25-Jul-2002 Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:52:16 -0700 (PDT) "Mr. Brigham Young" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Q: How do you make a Pentium III perform like a 386? >> A: Use Java Apps > > Boy have you been using the wrong Java Apps. > Maybe once they get running. Init

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:52:16 -0700 (PDT) "Mr. Brigham Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Q: How do you make a Pentium III perform like a 386? > A: Use Java Apps Boy have you been using the wrong Java Apps. -- Jamin W. Collins

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Mr. Brigham Young
Q: How do you make a Pentium III perform like a 386? A: Use Java Apps > >Using the four-letter "j" word seems to be a good way to make > >Shaleh use the four-letter "f" word. ;) = -- "R. Brigham Young II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Senior Systems Analyst, CAUSMIS Research Group Dept. of Mater

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
, not E, >> Sawfish. Period. Under Solaris they support Sawfish and CDE. > > Except that Gnome has switched to Metacity as of 2.0, which is Blackbox (or > used to be), so exactly where is that going to put Sun? Not that Sun cares > about Linux, of course. :) > metacity was always a clean start as far as I know. Grabbing it now.

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Marc Wilson
Sawfish and CDE. Except that Gnome has switched to Metacity as of 2.0, which is Blackbox (or used to be), so exactly where is that going to put Sun? Not that Sun cares about Linux, of course. :) Now there's an interesting point... are the window problems people are seeing duplicable un

RE: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 25-Jul-2002 Roy Wood wrote: >>One of the posts mentions "SwingSet2 demo". Does anyone know what this is >>and >>where I can get it? > > > It's a demo showing off the Swing GUI toolkit. Dunno about Sun, but IBM > includes it with their SDK. Pretty nifty, I guess. Demonstrates that > Jav

RE: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Roy Wood
>One of the posts mentions "SwingSet2 demo". Does anyone know what this is >and >where I can get it? It's a demo showing off the Swing GUI toolkit. Dunno about Sun, but IBM includes it with their SDK. Pretty nifty, I guess. Demonstrates that Java is still kinda sluggish compared to a pure

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:03:29 -0700 (PDT) "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From the bug database on another improper window handling bug: > > Evaluation > > twm is not currently supported. > x@x 2001-01-09 Isn't that like saying that X isn't supported? -- Jamin W. Co

RE: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
>From the bug database on another improper window handling bug: Evaluation twm is not currently supported. x@x 2001-01-09

RE: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
ary about this on the bug pages. Many people noting that KDE and GNOME have a similar market share. I am a little surprised to hear the IBM's jre is also showing these issues as many people recommend running it or blackdown due to Sun's refusal to fix things. Damn near all of the fvwm bugs

RE: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 25-Jul-2002 Øyvind Stegard wrote: > Hello > > I just experienced this bug using IBM's newest JRE v1.3.1. It does *not* > happen so frequently with IBM's JRE as with Sun's, though, but still, it > happens.(Again, dialogs are the problem) > > Just wanted to point this out, so we know it doesn

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> Nope, I have not tried this wm. Just visited the web page where it > belongs. I could give it a whirl later today, perhaps. Will tell my > observations of how it behaves with java. (I'll try JRE's from Sun and > from IBM) > there were reports that fvwm was exhibiting similar symptoms.

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Øyvind Stegard
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >>Yup, I can certainly understand that. =). It seems like a very hard bug >>to squash, and doesn't even seem like Blackbox's fault AFAIK. Still, I >>find it important, simply because many people use Ja** applications, and >>secondly because it doesn't happen with oth

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> Yup, I can certainly understand that. =). It seems like a very hard bug > to squash, and doesn't even seem like Blackbox's fault AFAIK. Still, I > find it important, simply because many people use Ja** applications, and > secondly because it doesn't happen with other WMs (at least the 3, or 4

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Øyvind Stegard
Chris Grossmann wrote: >Note: > >Using the four-letter "j" word seems to be a good way to make >Shaleh use the four-letter "f" word. ;) > >On July 25 (12:45 EDT), Øyvind Stegard wrote: > > >>Hello >> >>I just experienced this bug using IBM's newest JRE v1.3.1. It does *not* >>happen so freque

Re: Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Chris Grossmann
Note: Using the four-letter "j" word seems to be a good way to make Shaleh use the four-letter "f" word. ;) On July 25 (12:45 EDT), Øyvind Stegard wrote: > Hello > > I just experienced this bug using IBM's newest JRE v1.3.1. It does *not* > happen so frequently with IBM's JRE as with Sun's, t

Java/Blackbox oversized window bug with IBM JRE

2002-07-25 Thread Øyvind Stegard
Hello I just experienced this bug using IBM's newest JRE v1.3.1. It does *not* happen so frequently with IBM's JRE as with Sun's, though, but still, it happens.(Again, dialogs are the problem) Just wanted to point this out, so we know it doesn't only happen with Sun's java stuff. -- Øyvind S

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-25 Thread Matt Wilson
and > nothing else. > I haven't run gdm since a long time, but this is the way kdm is working. The other thing you can do is just use the gnome session, but set blackbox as gnome's window manager, through the gnome control center... you still have gnome start up, and panels etc

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-25 Thread Bertrand Duret
Le Samedi 13 Juillet 2002 10:31, Marco Fioretti a écrit : > On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 10:04:54 at 10:04:54AM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > What sessions are available for selection in the menus of the GDM screen, > > or are there any? > > I'm at home now, will check monday, but as far as I remembe

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-23 Thread Roman Neuhauser
> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:05:43 -0400 > From: Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Blackbox web site] > > "Mr. Brigham Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Originally I understood the use

RFC: blackbox and bsetroot manpages. Speak now or ...

2002-07-22 Thread Mr. Brigham Young
Well I am glad to see everyone is excited about manpages , Before I get started in earnest, let me know if there is anything that you think needs coverage. PLEASE reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so everyone gets a chance to read your comments. Shaleh has made the following comments regarding the manp

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Mr. Brigham Young
--- Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Mr. Brigham Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've started using Nix because it seems more inclusive. > > How's "Nix" (or "*nix") more inclusive than "Un*x"? > None of these includes Linux, HP UX, AIX, IRIX, *BSD, Solaris etc. ? > ;-) The s

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Mr. Brigham Young
so out of touch with reality that it defies explanation. I find it hard to believe that anyone in the potential user group of blackbox would find the M$ or Micro$oft convention unprofessional, let alone offensive. It is such a classic haxor a+4 than one has to laugh.laugh.laugh. What would truly be

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Jan Schaumann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > People are simply way too sensitive. I like to think of the internet > as the Wild West in a way. People say whatever they want, and it's up > to us to realize that we have every right to disagree, but *no* right > to censor the views of others. This has nothing to

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread astralflight6
In mho.. People are simply way too sensitive. I like to think of the internet as the Wild West in a way. People say whatever they want, and it's up to us to realize that we have every right to disagree, but *no* right to censor the views of others. In fact, I actually enjoy this freewheeling

RFC: blackbox and bsetroot manpages

2002-07-22 Thread Mr. Brigham Young
Hi All, Before I get started in earnest, let me know if there is anything that you think needs coverage. PLEASE reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so everyone gets a chance to read your comments. Shaleh has made the following comments regarding the manpages. 0.65-release 1) not all features are documen

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Jan Schaumann
"Mr. Brigham Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've started using Nix because it seems more inclusive. How's "Nix" (or "*nix") more inclusive than "Un*x"? None of these includes Linux, HP UX, AIX, IRIX, *BSD, Solaris etc. ? ;-) > Originally I > understood the use of "Un*x" was to protect ag

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Derek Cunningham
On Mon, Jul22,02 09:34, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > You might want to add a short mailto-link at the bottom of the > > index-page. > > > > yeah, I suppose I should. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Human beings act intelligently only after they have exhau

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Mr. Brigham Young
--- Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The difference is that "M$" contains a judgement. "Un*x" or it's > variants are neutral. It's intended to summarize the various flavors of > UNIX-like operating systems with one word. I've started

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > You might want to add a short mailto-link at the bottom of the > index-page. > yeah, I suppose I should.

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Jan Schaumann
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22-Jul-2002 Jan Schaumann wrote: > > Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it > > interesting. > how is it you received this? You happen to be the first address on > the screen shots page so if she chose that link that shows a

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Jan Schaumann
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I always thought referring to the company as M$ was like referring to Un*x, it > just avoided the explicit name and the need to pay someone (-: The difference is that "M$" contains a judgement. "Un*x" or it's variants are neutral. It's intende

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 22-Jul-2002 Mike wrote: > I don't know what the big deal is. I'd just leave it, who cares, not worth > the time/thought/effort. If people are going to get all freaked out over > something like this, let 'em. > Cygwin is a more accurate depiction anyway so that is what the webpage now says.

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Mike
To:, :/, then I wrote back to Jan to apologize. :P Figured I better not Cc everyone on the blackbox list for my whole day's correspondence. ;) On Monday, July 22, 2002 at 09:04AM, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >> >> While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a ze

RE: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 22-Jul-2002 Jan Schaumann wrote: > Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it interesting. > how is it you received this? You happen to be the first address on the screen shots page so if she chose that link that shows a certain lack of understanding.

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the > request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to operate on > MS OSes? If so, why not just change the reference to Cygwin? > true, I should just say Cygwin. I always thought refe

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Tim Howe
I've followed Eugenia's writing for some time. *She* was often considered a zealot when her husband was working for Be... but I would also consider her a "fighter of the good fight". So I am curious; what would be the "proper" way to deal with the Microsoft "issue"? I've reffered to them as Mi

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Mike
gn something completely >foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:27:53 -0700 >From: "Eugenia Loli-Queru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Blackbox web site > >In this page: http://b

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Derek Cunningham
filthy to reffer to Microsoft as M$, > > ESPECIALLY when the project you are developing is actually running on > > that platform. > > While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the > request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to ope

Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:25:20 -0400 Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it interesting. > > From: "Eugenia Loli-Queru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Blackbox web site > > In this page: http

[eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]

2002-07-22 Thread Jan Schaumann
I, the reader and user of Blackbox, deserved to see such a behaviour on an OSS site for a project that I use on *both* my Windows and on my Linux boxes. No hurt feelings. Thank you, Eugenia --- Editor-in-Chief at http://www.OSNews.com --- End Message ---

Re: will stop maintaining Dutch NLS and manpage after 0.65 (was Re: blackbox nls updates needed)

2002-07-21 Thread John Kennison
On Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:52 PM Wilbert Berendsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> next year I would like to hand over some little things to someone >else. I'm looking for: >* a new Dutch NLS maintainer >* a new Blackbox Manpage maintainer! >please email me personally after around

NLS in blackbox and in general

2002-07-18 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
s you are fluent in English. The good news is that when the library for bbtools becomes available it will have easy to use i18n support just like blackbox does.

Re: NLS - Norwegian/NO language support in Blackbox

2002-07-18 Thread Øyvind Stegard
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: >On 18-Jul-2002 Øyvind Stegard wrote: > > >>Hi again, >> >>I noticed that Norwegian language support is missing from the Blackbox >>distribution. Perhaps I could do some translating, since Norwegian is my >>mother t

RE: NLS - Norwegian/NO language support in Blackbox

2002-07-18 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 18-Jul-2002 Øyvind Stegard wrote: > Hi again, > > I noticed that Norwegian language support is missing from the Blackbox > distribution. Perhaps I could do some translating, since Norwegian is my > mother tongue.(If the Blackbox maintainers are interested in this) > &g

NLS - Norwegian/NO language support in Blackbox

2002-07-18 Thread Øyvind Stegard
Hi again, I noticed that Norwegian language support is missing from the Blackbox distribution. Perhaps I could do some translating, since Norwegian is my mother tongue.(If the Blackbox maintainers are interested in this) I'm afraid I would need some instructions on how to do it, since

Re: Solution of Framemaker on Linux/blackbox

2002-07-15 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 11:31:22 at 11:31:22AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > It sounds like FrameMaker was designed for Solaris where the X server is always > running in 24bit mode. Simply having someone change the X setup on your > machine so it ran in 24 instead of 16bpp mode would have f

RE: Solution of Framemaker on Linux/blackbox

2002-07-15 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 15-Jul-2002 Marco Fioretti wrote: > FYI, this is the conclusion of the story. Any comment/explanation/ > further trick arer appreciated, as I confess I don't understand > completely why the solution below works. > It sounds like FrameMaker was designed for Solaris where the X server is always

Re: [patch] blackbox-0.65.0beta2 anti-aliased fonts

2002-07-15 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > If this could be wrapper into a separate class, the #ifdef would be in > one place only and therefore not really disturbing the source (except > for the font code). Plus it would simplify the rest of the code a bit > by remove some duplicated code - even if you don't plan to implement AA > s

Solution of Framemaker on Linux/blackbox

2002-07-15 Thread Marco Fioretti
FYI, this is the conclusion of the story. Any comment/explanation/ further trick arer appreciated, as I confess I don't understand completely why the solution below works. It works, however. Thanks to everybody. Marco #

Re: Blackbox on GNOME PC and FrameMaker

2002-07-15 Thread Marco Fioretti
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:16:13 +0200 > Although I don't use it anymore, I did need to use FrameMaker > at my former job. The symptom that you describe was duplicated because > Frame on Solaris could not support 16-bit color (in my case). > At higher (or lower) color depth it was ok.

Re: [patch] blackbox-0.65.0beta2 anti-aliased fonts

2002-07-15 Thread Ben Jansens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 15 July 2002 5:46 am, Johannes Winkelmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:53:02 -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > On 15-Jul-2002 Mike wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > I updated Johannes Winkelmann's 0.65.0alpha2 aa patch, origin

Blackbox on GNOME PC and FrameMaker

2002-07-15 Thread Marco Fioretti
Hello again, first of all, THANKS A LOT to everybody who helped me to run blackbox on my GNOME office workstation. Summary: CTL ALT BSP just goes back to gdm Failsafe and .Xclients methods both work, I chose the second. Now another showstopper. I am posting it here because somebody on

Re: [patch] blackbox-0.65.0beta2 anti-aliased fonts

2002-07-15 Thread Johannes Winkelmann
Hi, On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:53:02 -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > On 15-Jul-2002 Mike wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I updated Johannes Winkelmann's 0.65.0alpha2 aa patch, originally from > > http://www.hta-bi.bfh.ch/~winkj/. Works pretty well :) hehe, nice... actually I have a patch for beta2 a

Re: [patch] blackbox-0.65.0beta2 anti-aliased fonts

2002-07-15 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:53:02AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > AA support will be interesting. I know people want it but it is XFree86 4.x > specific. Which means more ifdefs. Brad also believes AA is a crock and a > waste of time. Personally I have not seen much benefit either way.

RE: [patch] blackbox-0.65.0beta2 anti-aliased fonts

2002-07-15 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 15-Jul-2002 Mike wrote: > Hey, > > I updated Johannes Winkelmann's 0.65.0alpha2 aa patch, originally from > http://www.hta-bi.bfh.ch/~winkj/. Works pretty well :) > > 40k is a bit much to send out to a list I figure, so just grab it from my > site: http://www.gozer

[patch] blackbox-0.65.0beta2 anti-aliased fonts

2002-07-14 Thread Mike
Hey, I updated Johannes Winkelmann's 0.65.0alpha2 aa patch, originally from http://www.hta-bi.bfh.ch/~winkj/. Works pretty well :) 40k is a bit much to send out to a list I figure, so just grab it from my site: http://www.gozer.org/c/c/blackbox/blackbox-0.65.0beta2-aa.diff Mike

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-14 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 02:10:44 at 02:10:44AM +0200, Gerrit Hoetzel wrote: > > > > What happens if you try to kill X with CTL+ALT+BKSP > > or similar methods ? > > Marco seems to be using gdm which (by default) restarts the X server. > > I dont't see a way of killing gdm (which runs as root). >

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Gerrit Hoetzel
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 03:54:04PM +0200 Marco Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > here at work I've been finally given a PC with Linux Red Hat 7.2 > and blackbox-0.61.1-2. Distro and/or blackbox version cannot be > changed because of company policies to

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Gerrit Hoetzel
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 06:08:43PM -0400 Scott Furt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Keep in mind that I don't need GNOME at all, I just got it with the PC, > > and, again, requests to change the "default" install, i.e. to mess with > > gdm or such, are going to be ignored, for the more or les

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 18:08:43 at 06:08:43PM -0400, Scott Furt wrote: > > What happens if you try to kill X with CTL+ALT+BKSP > or similar methods ? > Ach, I didn't think about it at all... :-( I'll try it monday, it would really solve it for good! Ciao, Marco Fioretti

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Scott Furt
Marco Fioretti wrote: > Hello, > > here at work I've been finally given a PC with Linux Red Hat 7.2 > and blackbox-0.61.1-2. Distro and/or blackbox version cannot be > changed because of company policies too shameful to discuss them > here. Also, I have no root password. &

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread paul
eone else may have a better grasp on this than I. > 2) From your script > > wait $wmpid > > what is the meaning of that line? Someone on this list (sean?) suggested this for my .xsession file. It's a technique so that I can start working before all my little toys

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Ben Jansens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 13 July 2002 4:06 am, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > I didn't know about openbox. In the office I have stock RH 7.2, which > > doesn't have gnome 2 has it? I'll try it at home, though. > > open

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread D. Olson
On Saturday 13 July 2002 05:06 am, you wrote: > So basically if you want a specific feature not in blackbox and going over > to fluxbox scares you then openbox may be then solution until blackbox > acquires your feature. Just out of curiousity, why would Fluxbox scare anyone? -- D.

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > I didn't know about openbox. In the office I have stock RH 7.2, which > doesn't have gnome 2 has it? I'll try it at home, though. > openbox is a fork of blackbox 0.62.1. They basically did a lot of the same work as the 0.65 series (STL, cleanups) as well as new

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 10:04:54 at 10:04:54AM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > What sessions are available for selection in the menus of the GDM screen, > or are there any? I'm at home now, will check monday, but as far as I remember it says "last, failsafe, default, gnome". I tried yesterday t

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 14:14:12 at 02:14:12PM -0700, paul wrote: > Here's what I do on the RedHat/Gnome system at school: > - Log into to Failsafe Xterm mode. This gives me an xterm with no window > frame, but if I move the mouse over it, I can enter commands. > - Run an executable script nam

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 23:08:34 at 11:08:34PM +, David Barr wrote: > hi, > > if you are using gnome2 you could use openbox ( > http://openbox.sunsite.dk/ ) which is net_wm /gnome complient, and > basically blackbox(+), plus it's pretty spiffy. if you are using >

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-12 Thread paul
Marco Fioretti declaimed: > Hello, > > here at work I've been finally given a PC with Linux Red Hat 7.2 > and blackbox-0.61.1-2. Distro and/or blackbox version cannot be > changed because of company policies too shameful to discuss them > here. Also, I have no root pas

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-12 Thread Derek Cunningham
> Marco yeah... basically... but hey, it gives you the ability to run what you like... so the RAM usage is a small price to pay. Also bear in mind that yes there are two X sessions running... but on the first X session, there isn't a whole lot there (gdm CAN'T take up THAT m

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-12 Thread Marco Fioretti
> Well... you COULD try to press ALT+F(2-6) to see if they've configured GDM > to run on all the terminals (Since this tends to be quite tricky, there's > high probability that they haven't), in which circumstance you should just > be able to login via text console, then run startx as per nor

Re: building blackbox with MIPSpro

2002-07-12 Thread Brian Hechinger
re > code like ... > > for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++) { >... stuff ... > } > > was good, and the "i" variable was only valid within the scope of > the for block. Did you build blackbox with this flag? ooh, i was COMPLETELY unaware of that flag. let

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-12 Thread Derek Cunningham
On Fri, Jul12,02 15:54, Marco Fioretti wrote: > Hello, > > here at work I've been finally given a PC with Linux Red Hat 7.2 > and blackbox-0.61.1-2. Distro and/or blackbox version cannot be > changed because of company policies too shameful to discuss them > here. Also,

Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-12 Thread Marco Fioretti
Hello, here at work I've been finally given a PC with Linux Red Hat 7.2 and blackbox-0.61.1-2. Distro and/or blackbox version cannot be changed because of company policies too shameful to discuss them here. Also, I have no root password. The problem: the PC has been configured

RE: xprop and xwininfo on JBuilder dialog, running blackbox (Ove

2002-07-12 Thread Roy Wood
>What I would like to hear first is that after simply >exiting blackbox, starting another wm, and running >JBuilder (or any offending application) everything is >fine. Done. Here's the poop: - With xfwm (part of Xfce), JBuilder works perfectly well-- i.e. dialogs are the ri

Re: JBuilder and Blackbox-- Dialogs Way Too Big?

2002-07-12 Thread Roy Wood
>What version of Jbuilder are you using? I have hade similar problems >with Jbuilder5 myself (but not 100% sure it was with blackbox). I'm using JBuilder6. I noticed a post from someone else using JBuilder7, and they were experiencing the same problems. -Roy

Re: JBuilder and Blackbox-- Dialogs Way Too Big?

2002-07-11 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 11-Jul-2002 Nils Grundback wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:23:33 -0400 > "Roy Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Anyone else working with JBuilder and Blackbox? >> >> With other window managers, JBuilder's dialogs are okay, but with >&

Re: JBuilder and Blackbox-- Dialogs Way Too Big?

2002-07-11 Thread Nils Grundback
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:23:33 -0400 "Roy Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone else working with JBuilder and Blackbox? > > With other window managers, JBuilder's dialogs are okay, but with > Blackbox, they open way too big (as in much larger than the actual

RE: xprop and xwininfo on JBuilder dialog, running blackbox (Ove

2002-07-11 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 11-Jul-2002 Roy Wood wrote: >>this is the baffling bit. Blackbox is doing EXACTLY what >>the program asked it to do. > > Weird. Anyone with any sort of familiarity with another wm have any idea > what they are doing that is different? > > > -Roy I have re

RE: xprop and xwininfo on JBuilder dialog, running blackbox (Ove

2002-07-11 Thread Roy Wood
>this is the baffling bit. Blackbox is doing EXACTLY what >the program asked it to do. Weird. Anyone with any sort of familiarity with another wm have any idea what they are doing that is different? -Roy

RE: xprop and xwininfo on JBuilder dialog, running blackbox (Ove

2002-07-11 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS): > program specified location: 278, 241 > program specified size: 1054 by 743 > window gravity: NorthWest this is the baffling bit. Blackbox is doing EXACTLY what the program asked it to do. These h

Re: xprop and xwininfo on JBuilder dialog, running blackbox (Oversized dialogs problem)

2002-07-11 Thread Chris Grossmann
Can you do the same in a different wm? Maybe twm? Øyvind Stegard wrote: > OK, maybe this would help a little. > Launched JBuilder and did xprop and xwininfo on the "Tip of the Day" > dialog that appears first (greatly and incorrectly oversized) > Blackbox versi

xprop and xwininfo on JBuilder dialog, running blackbox (Oversized dialogs problem)

2002-07-11 Thread Øyvind Stegard
OK, maybe this would help a little. Launched JBuilder and did xprop and xwininfo on the "Tip of the Day" dialog that appears first (greatly and incorrectly oversized) Blackbox version is 0.65b2, X screen resolution is 1024x768 (24bit). I did not move, resize or touch anything before d

Re: JBuilder and Blackbox-- Dialogs Way Too Big?

2002-07-11 Thread Øyvind Stegard
Roy Wood wrote: >Anyone else working with JBuilder and Blackbox? > >With other window managers, JBuilder's dialogs are okay, but with >Blackbox, they open way too big (as in much larger than the actual screen >size). > > >Any thoughts on what's up? Is BB

RE: JBuilder and Blackbox-- Dialogs Way Too Big?

2002-07-11 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 11-Jul-2002 Roy Wood wrote: > Anyone else working with JBuilder and Blackbox? > > With other window managers, JBuilder's dialogs are okay, but with > Blackbox, they open way too big (as in much larger than the actual screen > size). > > > Any thoughts on wha

JBuilder and Blackbox-- Dialogs Way Too Big?

2002-07-11 Thread Roy Wood
Anyone else working with JBuilder and Blackbox? With other window managers, JBuilder's dialogs are okay, but with Blackbox, they open way too big (as in much larger than the actual screen size). Any thoughts on what's up? Is BB providing some hinting for window sizes that i

Re: building blackbox with MIPSpro

2002-07-10 Thread Art Haas
> > would i be asking too terribly much to ask that the the variable scope rules > meet that of plain old C so that blackbox will cleanly build on SGI kit using > MIPSpro as the compiler? > > there were only, i think maybe 4 or 5 instances of this happening, so it's not >

RE: building blackbox with MIPSpro

2002-07-10 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
d cope. > > would i be asking too terribly much to ask that the the variable scope rules > meet that of plain old C so that blackbox will cleanly build on SGI kit using > MIPSpro as the compiler? > > there were only, i think maybe 4 or 5 instances of this happening, so it's

building blackbox with MIPSpro

2002-07-10 Thread Brian Hechinger
hello, i've managed to get blackbox to build using MIPSpro on my Octane. this is very very good, since MIPSpro generates binaries that kick gcc generated binaries all over the place. :) anyway, it turned out to be a lot easier than i thought it was going to be. edit config.h and d

Re: blackbox + sylpheed behaviour

2002-07-10 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:14:18 -0700 (PDT) "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wilbert, since I am not on the sylpheed list please be sure this makes > it to them. I've forwarded the message to the Sylpheed list. -- Jamin W. Collins

RE: blackbox + sylpheed behaviour

2002-07-10 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
>> >> but the window will also be moved down and right (exactly the borderwidths >> of title bar and left border). When calling sylpheed repeatedly, its >> window moves down all along. >> >> I think it's a bug in the sylpheed code, but maybe related to b

Re: Blackbox-HOWTO

2002-07-10 Thread paul
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry declaimed: > On 09-Jul-2002 Rachel Collins wrote: > > I was thinking of starting a Blackbox-HOWTO for The Linux > > Documentation Project. I looked around on sourceforge and > > the bb homepage and didn't see one (or similar > > doc

OT - ML Responses (was Re: blackbox + sylpheed behaviour)

2002-07-09 Thread Jamin W . Collins
ow to feasibly set it in Sylpheed). A good number of lists add custom headers with their submission address. Some common ones are: X-BeenThere: X-Loop: X-Mailing-List: List-Post: Blackbox already sets the X-Loop header, it just doesn't have the complete submission address in it. -- Jamin W. Collins

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