Re: Open Book (was Re: Election Day Photo Thread)

2008-11-07 Thread Judah McAuley
Not many people more "out" than I am, but I still think that there is value in discretion (not that most people think I know what that is). I don't think that Erika is selling out her values or even denying them. Rather she is picking and choosing how she communicates them and that seems reasonable

Re: Open Book (was Re: Election Day Photo Thread)

2008-11-07 Thread Robert Munn
I'd rather lose a job than stop speaking my mind. Liberty ends when we are too scared to voice our opinions. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:54 AM, Erika wrote: > > Every once in a while, that big contract or job may come along, and there's > 2 of you up for it... the company you keep may be the decidin

Re: Open Book (was Re: Election Day Photo Thread)

2008-11-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
I hear ya - I really do... and we'll have to agree to disagree :) Because I do believe you can walk a line, integrity intact, and be private with some things and public with others. Luckily, it's been a long time since I've had an issues with my beliefs versus work, but I'll tell you this now, just

News That Nobody Cares About

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
$300-fucking-million dollars. A gift. Holy shit. Look for GSB - oops - BSB - to be #1 very shortly. They can now afford it. Fuuck. - To all our Alumni, Students, Faculty, Staff, and Friends: I am pleased to communicate that earlier today we announced that, with the sustaining supp

Palin Staying In Alaska?

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm ready to make a prediction: Ms. Palin ain't goin' back to Alaska. === Palin also said she would not call on Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, to resign, although last month, before his re-election bid, she said he should "step aside" and "play a very statesmanlike

Duh. Finally.

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
CF-Comm has, of course, been experimenting with this for years. I'm glad to see somebody has finally recognized and improved on our work: For now, the scientists are continuing to test different tequilas´ abilities to produce diamonds. Originally, the scientists were experimenting with creating

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > That's laughable on both counts. We can disagree about history! But for today ... Obama has shown that no-drama-Obama can scale from an insurgent candidacy to President. Now he needs to show that his management style can scale through transition. There was a small bump with t

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Robert Munn
That's laughable on both counts. Thousands of Japanese-Americans were interned during WWII, their loss of rights went WAY beyond anything that has happened here since 9/11. As far as what Bush actually did, a lot of things have unraveled in the last 2-3 years, both by design and through investigat

Kudos To Bush (really!)

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
Word on the street is that Bush and his entire administration have been very gracious about the transition. e.g., Treasury has cleared a set of offices for the Obama team to use now and provided summary packets detailing all of their initiatives and status. ~~~

Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread denstar
Exact Ditto! WOOHOOO! FRIDAY ROXERZ!!! D to the E to the N * -- I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self. Aristotle On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > Yay! Yay! > > > > YAY! ... > > Although

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > As for small businesses, most people that own small business owners > are completely myopic; I should add I'm a small business owner. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > What do you have against jobs? >> Whew! It's good have more data points that support our nation's >> choice of Obama. >> I love 'em! That's why we need to get rid of all these loser CEOs that feck up companies like Fiorina and get some real pros in there. See the real pros don't

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread denstar
Well said, Gus! The only place that kind of unshakable belief belongs is in a God(s), Goddess(s), or The Force. Thinking that America is impervious to ending the way many *many* great societies have, is... well, like The Fool; one foot over the abyss. The Fool rocks, and I'm probably pretty

Re: Awesome Pony!

2008-11-07 Thread denstar
Sweet! -- Hope is a waking dream. Aristotle On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkeLgXocwas ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to d

Re: What are you listening to right now.

2008-11-07 Thread denstar
Server hum. Gonna put on some thumping electro-whatsit type dub vibe-ish tunes now that everyone else is gone tho. Loves me sub-woofer. -- He who is to be a good ruler must have first been ruled. Aristotle ~| Adobe® ColdFusion

Re: Open Book (was Re: Election Day Photo Thread)

2008-11-07 Thread denstar
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > For some stuff, that's a piece of cake. I've done it ;) I do it. :) > > But for RUWebby ... It's my baby. Celebrating 10 years next year. Clients > from around the world. Most have been with me the whole 10 years. Totally > different animal.

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think just whipping you with the belt should suffice. > > > >Some could argue that subjecting you to my fat white hairy ass might be > >torture, and I think we concluded that torture is bad. > > Hey whatever gets you throu

Re: Funny but a bit weird

2008-11-07 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
loved it...laughed at it...sent it along to other people I know. On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > http://www.quoted4truth.com/articles/I-do-not-have-any-money-so-am-sending-you-this-drawing-I-did-of-a-spider-instead > > (I'm going to have to try this sometime). > > ~

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
What do you have against jobs? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> Job Creators Prefer John McCain 4-to-1 Over Barack Obama >> >> Over 70 percent of CEOs fear an Obama presidency will be a disaster >> > > Whew! It's good have more data points tha

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Job Creators Prefer John McCain 4-to-1 Over Barack Obama > > Over 70 percent of CEOs fear an Obama presidency will be a disaster > Whew! It's good have more data points that support our nation's choice of Obama. ~

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > As to the bailout idea, even if the money is a loan, I don't see how they > are going to pay it back under current conditions. I would rather see them > go through BK and come back as leaner, more competitive companies. > Cerberus grabbed Chrysler, but the rest of the PEGs won't

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Robert Munn
That's basically the way I see it. Wipe out the shareholders and re-work the union agreements, then re-capitalize through the markets. Oh, and use BK to wipe out layers of middle management and streamline operations. I agree, it isn't going to be easy, but the alternative is to leave these companie

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
I did say: "As for my point, more CEO's and small business owners polled before the election were for McCain." On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent, Thank you! > > (of course, CEO != business owner, and most jobs are created by small > companies, mos

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Excellent, Thank you! (of course, CEO != business owner, and most jobs are created by small companies, most of who don't have a formal CEO) "ADP, a leading provider of human resource solutions worldwide, recently released the ADP National Employment Report. On

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
grin On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:39 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hey... I resemble that remark!!! :-) > > -Original Message- > > From: Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: goodbye red states! > Date: Fri Nov 7, 2008 1:58 pm > Size: 682 bytes > To: cf-community > > Nope. Not t

Re: Change is here!

2008-11-07 Thread Paul Ihrig
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Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
Job Creators Prefer John McCain 4-to-1 Over Barack Obama Over 70 percent of CEOs fear an Obama presidency will be a disaster http://tinyurl.com/3unc3u [http://www.chiefexecutive.net/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
LOL. No fair. That is my paper (I run their website, Long Island Business News) How can I fight against that? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is from 2004 > Long Island business owners favor Bush, poll says > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4189/is_/

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
This is from 2004 Long Island business owners favor Bush, poll says http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4189/is_/ai_n10170993 I'll keep looking On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought you had said something to the effect that "business owners in bl

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought you had said something to the effect that "business owners in blue > states are republican" I try not to talk in absolutes. More business owners in the blue states tend to be republican is me belief. > I couldn't

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
I thought you had said something to the effect that "business owners in blue states are republican" I couldn't find any exit polling showing "business owners" as a voting block, and the closest I could find was "making over $200K a year". I would be there is a decent overlap between those two gro

Re: Change is here!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
Rep. Rahm Emanuel held paid position on troubled GSE's board from 2000-2002, when Freddie Mac was accused of accounting and campaign finance irregularities. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081106133228.aspx ~| Ado

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
Or they liked the good looking guy that spoke well better then the old guy that can't lift his arms. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> JJ wrote: >> Isn't it curious then that exit polls show that 52% of people making 200K or >> more per year voted for Obama?

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Except in Chicago, where they might go on voting indefinitely. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And those youth will be voting in a LOT more elections than those 65+ > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
You have it backwards, remmeber? You're DailyKos theory was debunked by all the experts. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes. He could've unilaterally stopped the problem in its tracks had > he wanted to; and he wouldn't have needed congress for crap to

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > Isn't it curious then that exit polls show that 52% of people making 200K or > more per year voted for Obama? > > That's extremely bad news for the Republicans: they're essentially losing the wealth and the young. The youth vote overwhelmingly went Obama and has been turning blue st

Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
Most excellent! On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Dammit. I need to spend some time on the west coast ... > > > > Family dinner every Sunday at 5:30 and we'll find a comfy spo

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Cam wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> GM, Ford, and Chrysler are all on life support right now. Should we save >> them or let them go through bankruptcy? > > Bankruptcy - just like the airlines. > As a guy who went though bankruptcy in the airline

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
Arnold with his 2004 deficit bond, minimum wage hike, global warming spending, stem cell investment? You seem to be stuck on the thought that a republican can't also be liberal. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He simply made a sweeping statement without any f

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
Not 100%? What's the percentage of uneducated? How about under $40k Trying to itemize the polls to prove you're vote was smarter just doesn't work. Plenty of reason rich and poor voted for Obama or against McCain. As for my point, more CEO's and small business owners polled before the election we

Re: FW: Funny but a bit weird

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Again, some days I love people. That is wonderful. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.quoted4truth.com/articles/I-do-not-have-any-money-so-am-sending-you-this-drawing-I-did-of-a-spider-instead > > (I'm going to have to try this sometime). > ~~

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: >> My point was that, if you look at the data - and I'll use Shep Smith, >> McCain decline started during Palin's interview with Couric. > > Not the mortgage crisis? > McCain spiked after Palin so anything he lost still left him way ahead. > Shep's data analysis was that McCain's slid

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Isn't it curious then that exit polls show that 52% of people making 200K or more per year voted for Obama? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You seem to forget that many in the blue states, probably the business > that make it a success are republicans. > ~~

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>I think just whipping you with the belt should suffice. > >Some could argue that subjecting you to my fat white hairy ass might be >torture, and I think we concluded that torture is bad. Hey whatever gets you through the night, but I'm not into S&M. Besides I'm married and my wife would object.

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Judah McAuley
Bush isn't going to bail them out? Bush has already given them $25 billion. They are asking for $25 billion more. And it is actually a loan, not asset purchase as in the case of the finance industry. Now should they get $25 billion more? I'm not sure. I think that would depend on a plan to turn th

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread jeff
hey... I resemble that remark!!! :-) -Original Message- From: Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: goodbye red states! Date: Fri Nov 7, 2008 1:58 pm Size: 682 bytes To: cf-community Nope. Not true. Ben Forta is smarter than me. Probably Jeff Garza too. And Michael. On Fri,

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
A bridge loan is not a bailout. The actual bailout of Chrysler worked out quite well. Airline bankruptcies have done little to stabilize the industry and turn around the financial problems. You really don't want to see the economic disaster that would result from a total meltdown of the automoti

Re: Another good election map.

2008-11-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>I found this one to be very interesting, especially the map weighted by >population: > >http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/11/purple_america.php here's the original article on the maps: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/ ~~~

Re: Awesome Pony!

2008-11-07 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
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Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
Sure. Head on down. Can you get here by 7:30? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Going to invite your nice Oregon neighbor to the north? :D > > I'll reciprocate and send down invitations for the farm parties that > usually go all weekend long and have mor

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Barnes
> > > 1) How many jobs would bankruptcy cost, would we wind up paying for it > through unemployment vs. through a bailout > Don't know. However, a bailout would eventually lead to another bailout and so on. There would be no incentive to achieve 2). 2) Would bankruptcy force Detroit to create a

Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dammit. I need to spend some time on the west coast ... > Family dinner every Sunday at 5:30 and we'll find a comfy spot with extra blankets for afterwards. ~~~

Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread Judah McAuley
Hmmm...that's 6 hours from now and its about 750 miles if memory serves. I think that my old Subaru might object to me trying to make it over the Siskyou's that fast. But keep me updated on February :) Judah On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure. Head on down

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
Oh yeah.. I forgot about you. And Erika, Dana, tony, Scott, Bruce, and several hundred others on here. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's been well established that Mo is certain I am smarter than she > is.

Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
Dammit. I need to spend some time on the west coast ... On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Going to invite your nice Oregon neighbor to the north? :D > > I'll reciprocate and send down invitations for the farm parties that > usually go all weekend long and

Re: Another good election map.

2008-11-07 Thread Larry Lyons
I found this one to be very interesting, especially the map weighted by population: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/11/purple_america.php ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
So now that gas is down, do they built a k-car or two and then right back to the SUV's Doesn't Ford make all it's money in Europe? Can they move headquarters to Europe, shut down, then buy there own factories as a foriegn company? Shitty way to wipe out unions but it's going to happen anyway. At l

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
I was mentioned! I'm thought of! That made me cry. I love you MO! /me who thinks everyone on here is actually way smarter than me. :) I On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh yeah.. I forgot about you. And Erika, Dana, tony, Scott, Bruce, > and several hundred

FW: Funny but a bit weird

2008-11-07 Thread Larry Lyons
http://www.quoted4truth.com/articles/I-do-not-have-any-money-so-am-sending-you-this-drawing-I-did-of-a-spider-instead (I'm going to have to try this sometime). ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramati

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
He simply made a sweeping statement without any facts to back it up, and without remembering that the governor of California is neither liberal or Democrat. Then he backpedaled and resorted to his usual disinformation nonsense when he was called on the facts. Then he got silly and accusatory. Th

Awesome Pony!

2008-11-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
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Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread Judah McAuley
Going to invite your nice Oregon neighbor to the north? :D I'll reciprocate and send down invitations for the farm parties that usually go all weekend long and have more jam sessions than you can shake a stick at. Judah On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ouch.

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > No one is smarter than you. > or so you think. > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> LOL. Sam thinks he's smarter than me. I'm shattered. > I think it's been well established that Mo is certain I am smarter than she is. ~

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
Nope. Not true. Ben Forta is smarter than me. Probably Jeff Garza too. And Michael. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No one is smarter than you. > > > or so you think. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GM, Ford, and Chrysler are all on life support right now. Should we save > them or let them go through bankruptcy? Bankruptcy - just like the airlines. > The way I see it, these companies need to go through BK so they can ge

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Scott Stewart
Question: 1) How many jobs would bankruptcy cost, would we wind up paying for it through unemployment vs. through a bailout 2) Would bankruptcy force Detroit to create a product that is competitive with Asian manufacturers in terms of quality and innovation Robert Munn wrote: > GM, Ford, and Ch

Re: should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Barnes
I agree. No bailouts. Of course, that probably won't happen. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive:

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
No one is smarter than you. or so you think. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LOL. Sam thinks he's smarter than me. I'm shattered. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you abstracting all democratic leaning states from California? No, it was an off hand comment in response to how blue states are great and red states are bad. Implying that money, intelligence and success is tied to be

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My point was that, if you look at the data - and I'll use Shep Smith, > McCain decline started during Palin's interview with Couric. Not the mortgage crisis? McCain spiked after Palin so anything he lost still left him way

should the government rescue the auto industry?

2008-11-07 Thread Robert Munn
GM, Ford, and Chrysler are all on life support right now. Should we save them or let them go through bankruptcy? The way I see it, these companies need to go through BK so they can get a fresh start without the albatross of the bad financial decisions of the past hanging around their necks. Bush i

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Jerry Johnson
Then I have absolutely no idea of what your point is. Are you abstracting all democratic leaning states from California? Does Colorado, Connecticut, and Minnesota follow those same lines? And (using the reverse logic from yesterday), are you saying that republican leaning states have none of these

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > I mean we need to raise taxes and cut programs to make up for the new > programs added. > It sure would have been nice during the almost three months where I was never sure if I was going to get paid and some of the people I work with *did not* get paid, if some of the Republican

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > I mean we need to raise taxes and cut programs to make up for the new > programs added. > It sure would have been nice during the almost three months where I was never sure if I was going to get paid and some of the people I work with *did not* get paid, if some of the Republican

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
I actually agree. He was too nice. The compassionate conservatism idea is a failure. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes. That would be a good example of a leader who ain't leading. If 'he > *tried*' is good enough for you, fine. But I kind of like a l

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Ian wrote: > Yes. That would be a good example of a leader who ain't leading. If 'he > *tried*' is good enough for you, fine. But I kind of like a leader who, > you know, leads. He seemed to have difficulity steamrolling, canjolling, > compromising, or in any other manner leading when he had a

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
LOL. Sam thinks he's smarter than me. I'm shattered. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wouldn't mind if smart people called me stupid, but you two. > > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Er..we do? ~~~

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > So are you saying Bush didn't try to fix the problem 18 times last year alone? Yes. He could've unilaterally stopped the problem in its tracks had he wanted to; and he wouldn't have needed congress for crap to do it. But then we've already established that you don't know what the

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > Or that he's a failure because he couldn't steamroll his ideas through > a democrat controlled senate? Yes. That would be a good example of a leader who ain't leading. If 'he *tried*' is good enough for you, fine. But I kind of like a leader who, you know, leads. He seemed to have

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Mo wrote: >> Gray Davis was brought down much more by the energy problems caused by >> the corruption of Enron than by any liberal spending. >> > > To be fair in my leadership criticism, and because Mr. Davis disgusts > me, I

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
I wouldn't mind if smart people called me stupid, but you two. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Er..we do? > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
Er..we do? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We believe you are smart Sam. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doublec

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > We were close, and I think you are DEAD wrong when you say we averted it > because of "luck". America isn't "luck", our choices and our destiny and our > progress and our system are not the product of "luck". > Great. Now you've made me take the ChuckG side of things. I agree

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
How does responding to a thread about republicans being rednecks make me the troll? Never mind, I get it. Sorry to intrude on the party. Let me know when the gloating is over and I can comment. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:09 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Tag along Will can never r

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
Are decisions wouldn't be so important to the rest of the world if they weren't mostly right. Be glad you folks aren't calling the shots :) On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ROFL! > Some things never change. > Yes America the great, America the Island. > > The on

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
I thought Obama was an isolationist, you know raise tariiffs to bring manufacturing jobs back. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kind of a narrow view. For instances, did you ever notice how the > Asian markets influence the US Markets, or how the actions of OP

Re: Another good election map.

2008-11-07 Thread Maureen
I used the ones on CNN and Google to track the results election night. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.sacbee.com/1232/rich_media/1355636.html > > (sacremento ca region) > > Besides this one and the great nyt map yesterday, are there any other

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread William Bowen
> Tag along Will can never resist You conservatives get so testy when you get called out on your trolling... ;-) -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
So are you saying Bush didn't try to fix the problem 18 times last year alone? Or that he's a failure because he couldn't steamroll his ideas through a democrat controlled senate? On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To be fair in my leadership criticism, and be

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Sam
It was a mild observation and you're doing an analytical study. I'm to busy to play along. But if you really interested, and have the time... > OK, local government. Do you mean state government here? (or can I assume > this as a set to work from) Yes, governors, mayors, state congress, senate

Re: goodbye red states!

2008-11-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Mo wrote: > Gray Davis was brought down much more by the energy problems caused by > the corruption of Enron than by any liberal spending. > To be fair in my leadership criticism, and because Mr. Davis disgusts me, I feel obligated to point out that 100% of California's mess was Mr. Davis' fault

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Scott Stewart
and on this point you are absolutely 100% correct. Vivec wrote: > No, that was not my point. > > I simply said that it was a historic moment, it was a great > achievement, and that it said something good about American Culture > and American Society. > > Other people said all the rest. > > 200

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Vivec
No, that was not my point. I simply said that it was a historic moment, it was a great achievement, and that it said something good about American Culture and American Society. Other people said all the rest. 2008/11/7 Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The entire world hates the American peo

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>ROFL! >Some things never change. >Yes America the great, America the Island. > >The only country in the world which does not have to care about World >Opinion, World Markets, World Economy or World Status. >The only thing that concerns you is America. Good for you, and you can >continue believing

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >...and it says a lot about the both of ya that you'd resort to > name-calling > >just because the other has an opinion that differs from your own. > >you're both in time-out. opposite corners. now. don't make me take thi

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>...and it says a lot about the both of ya that you'd resort to name-calling >just because the other has an opinion that differs from your own. >you're both in time-out. opposite corners. now. don't make me take this >belt off. > Why you going to moon us if we don't? ~

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Larry Lyons
>It says a lot about the person that he would call such crap an >inspirational speech. >:P I think that you're demonstrating just how narrow minded and insular you are. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important an

Re: ohhhh no... not this shit...

2008-11-07 Thread Scott Stewart
you'rw right, but I don't think this was Gel's point. I think in his view... The entire world hates the American people and blames us directly for everything that's gone bad in the world and wants us to fix all of it, at the expense of our own internal issues, and money and lives. then one day

Re: IT's FRIDAY!!!!

2008-11-07 Thread Ian Skinner
Maureen wrote: > Ouch. > > Next time. Big party happening in February. Put it on your calendar. Will Do!... February is the spouse's birthday, nice serendipity there. To answer Scott's question and kill two replies with one message. At recess yesterday, he tried to jump from a raised platform

Re: Krugman: End Of "Monster Years"

2008-11-07 Thread Dana
Welp, I'd have bet money that *you* thought so :) BUt never mind... I said I'd play nice for a while. /me wanders off On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're the number two offender. But I bet you didn't know that :) > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Dana <[E

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