Re: QOTD

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Reagan certainly knew how to turn a phrase. I didn't agree with his politics most of the time but he was a hell of an orator. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Pertaining to reading, I like this quote: > > "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who has read Marx

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
Hmmm... meds must be working then... On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I thought you were Gruss, when your alter kicks in. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Is she still with Gruss? ~| O

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
I thought you were Gruss, when your alter kicks in. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Sam wrote: > > Is she still with Gruss? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
Yea, I realize its probably not realistic, mostly because people, in general, are dumb asses. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You can't just do that because without something to enforce > non-discrimination, people will discriminate. > > -Original Message- > From

Re: QOTD

2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
Pertaining to reading, I like this quote: "How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who has read Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan J - The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates. - Tacitus

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Erika L. Rich
Damn. I have searched hi and low. Your first posts appear in 2006 ... I can't find any before that, and none associated with muffins of any kind. :( /me pushes yet another fresh plate of Blueberry Muffins towards Boyzoid Welcome to the list Boyzoid :) Raley - you get your muffins every day

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
Mediaite has some articles up about Fox's role in how the story broke and the resignation: Examining The Myth That Fox News Drove Shirley Sherrod To Resign Rick Sanchez And Dan Abrams Debate Fox Ne

Re: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
I'm of the considered opinion that they are already here and have been for many millennium. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseof

Re: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Medic
Excellent movie though! Really really liked it. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:59 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > fooking prawns! > > > . > . > ... i kid... i kid... > > :) > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > > And by that I mean we know there are other races out there beside > >

RE: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Raley
Watch out, if erkle finds it in the archives, they will be thrown at you -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:38 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.) I don't ever recall getting muff

QOTD

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Quote of the Day: "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, un

Re: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread William Bowen
fooking prawns! . . ... i kid... i kid... :) On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Vivec wrote: > > And by that I mean we know there are other races out there beside > Human...and they visited Earth openly. > > And maybe some of them fell in love and married. > > Would our Census Forms still have

RE: Holy Overpaid Bureaucrats Batman

2010-07-22 Thread Sisk, Kris
That whole thing reminds me of a couple years back when my sister got laid off as a classroom para at the same school board meeting where the superintendent was given a raise that was more than her salary. I'm not sure why. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com

Re: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Gives whole new meaning to the term "Resident Alien" or for that matter "Illegal Alien" ducking and running, larry On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Suspect that Aliens would be labeled as a different species rather > than a different race. > > Census forms would be revised t

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
It may have been before the phrase was coined, but he sure sounds like one... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In H

RE: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
That's a screwy way to run a country of any size... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:42 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Gotta love Fox News How did they portray it initially? They didn't backtrack, they were accused of forcing t

RE: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
Depends if they come as corporate entities I guess hehehe -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:jscott-li...@gravityfree.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:41 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: If we were introduced to aliens > There would be lawsuits claiming that they don

RE: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
Like I said before...I am still waiting for the option of "human on those questionnaires... -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:33 PM To: cf-community Subject: If we were introduced to aliens And by that I mean we know there ar

RIP best hockey twitter feed ever

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Paul Bissonnette, aka PaulBizNasty, NHL enforcer and hilarious social media user. Some truly great comments. http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Eulogy-Hilariously-outrageous-Twitter-ramblings?urn=nhl-257447 ~| Orde

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
I think that anyone whop harps on a negative condition...whether that be oppression by whites, or everyone is anti-Semitic, or people are anti-Christian, or whatever tend to attract the people they complain about... -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursda

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
I'd like to see some examples of this whitewashing Vivec...I have seen far too many movies where the good guy was black or Asian or where the bad guy was white...in fact...most of the movies I can think of off the top of my head had bad guys as whites regardless of the race of the protagonist and

Re: Holy Overpaid Bureaucrats Batman

2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
And on a similar note: The Art of the Ann Arbor City Budget While this doesn't appear to be straight up robbery like Bell CA, it sure doesn't look good. J - The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to w

Re: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
Suspect that Aliens would be labeled as a different species rather than a different race. Census forms would be revised to indicate planet of birth, and all the anti-immigration bigots would be yelling for laws to ban inter-species mating. Heaven forbid some doctor treat a alien baby who doesn't

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
Assumption made on facts not in evidence. There has been no increase in discrimination in programs where affirmative action is not enforced. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You can't just do that because without something to enforce > non-discrimination, people will d

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
Nope. The Dixiecrats were active in the election of 1948. A few Democrats, notably Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms left the Democratic party for the Republican party in the 60s, but that had nothing to do with the Dixiecrats, and neither did Woodrow Wilson, who was dead long before anyone even co

Re: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
and then a push for a constitutional amendment stating that marriage is a union between one human man and one human female. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > There would be lawsuits claiming that they don't qualify as 'Persons' > as specified in Article 1 of the Constitu

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
You can't just do that because without something to enforce non-discrimination, people will discriminate. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:42 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
I would say that Wilson was probably a Dixiecrat...which is the group of democrats that left the Democratic party in the 1960s to join the republican party. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:34 AM To: cf-community Subject:

Trying to access windows 7 share on xp machine

2010-07-22 Thread Matthew P. Smith
I need to access d:\inetpub\wwwroot on my windows 7 machine from my xp box. I have shared the folder as \\win7machine\wwwroot Trying to map the network drive, I have tried to browse the workgroup. I can see win7machine in the workgroup, but clicking the plus button shows nothing. I have tried

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
You could have helped patch the BP leak before you finally came up to our level. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > rock bottom I suspect then they started digging. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: >> >> VERY FAR DOWN LAR :) >> hahahahahah >> >> On

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Erika L. Rich
I must have. You've been here quite a while ... Humph. I'll have to dig thru my archives now ... :) In any case, I just baked up a couple dozen assorted muffins. Blueberry Cream, Cranberry Banana, Walnut, and last but not least, some fresh Blueberry Gluten Free's just for trisha. :) -E with a K

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
How did they portray it initially? They didn't backtrack, they were accused of forcing the White house's hand when they first report online was at 6pm and hour before she resigned. The White House forced her to resign because they feared it would be on Beck, it wasn't. That's a screwy way to run a

RE: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Justin Scott
> There would be lawsuits claiming that they don't > qualify as 'Persons' as specified in Article 1 > of the Constitution. If a fictitious corporation can qualify, why not a real space alien? -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldf

Re: If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
There would be lawsuits claiming that they don't qualify as 'Persons' as specified in Article 1 of the Constitution. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Vivec wrote: > > And by that I mean we know there are other races out there beside > Human...and they visited Earth openly. > > And maybe some of

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
rock bottom I suspect then they started digging. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > VERY FAR DOWN LAR :) > hahahahahah > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> That's news to me. Also news to my wife. >> >> Does this mean that my standards have droppe

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Medic
I know I know. I posted on Adobe forums and got no love. I actually moved on to something else for the time being. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > hey there's a mailing list for that. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Medic wrote: > > > >> > >> > I've seen people a

If we were introduced to aliens....

2010-07-22 Thread Vivec
And by that I mean we know there are other races out there beside Human...and they visited Earth openly. And maybe some of them fell in love and married. Would our Census Forms still have Ethnicity as an option at that point? Would it be relevant anymore? ~~

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Rick Root
It's not about timing anyway. It's about how fox news portrayed the story initially, and how they backtracked and blamed everyone else the next day when the facts came out. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www

RE: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:30 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth. "How do you determine your ethnicity? When the census form comes

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Ras Tafari
VERY FAR DOWN LAR :) hahahahahah On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > That's news to me. Also news to my wife. > > Does this mean that my standards have dropped rather drastically recently? > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: >> >> btw, the fact that eri

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Medic
That's an excellent point. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Wy do they need to be mutually exclusive? Surely we can mock and help > at the same time. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > Or mock you. Either or. > > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
and you're one of the ones who does both at once. There are days after reading some of your comments when helping, I really want to see your code. I can imagine some of the in-line comments that must be there. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Wy do they need to be mutually

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Medic
+1 vicodin for your awesome Eminem reference! On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Sam wrote: > > And Dana said... nothing you idiots! > Dana's dead, she's locked in my basement! (Ha-ha!) > > But really...I think she ran off with Gruss > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > >

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
That's news to me. Also news to my wife. Does this mean that my standards have dropped rather drastically recently? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > btw, the fact that erika makes muffins is completely and UTTERLY > george bushes fault, > in fact, its so much his fault, th

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
hey there's a mailing list for that. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Medic wrote: > >> >> > I've seen people answer questions regarding backups, CSS, javascript, >> .Net and even taxes. > > > > Good luck if your question is about Flex though. > *grumble grumble grumble* > > >

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
Is she still with Gruss? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Dana not dead.  Just her computer. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> And Dana said... nothing you idiots! >> Dana's dead, she's locked in my basement! (Ha-ha!) >> >> But really...I think she ran o

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
Dana not dead. Just her computer. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Sam wrote: > > And Dana said... nothing you idiots! > Dana's dead, she's locked in my basement! (Ha-ha!) > > But really...I think she ran off with Gruss ~| Or

Something Pelosi and I Can Agree On.

2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
Alexandra Pelosi that is, daughter of Nancy. http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1007/pelosi_puts_politics_in_past.html Quote: "Now, [politics is] like walking onto a Hollywood set. It's just so overproduced." J - The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are w

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
Wy do they need to be mutually exclusive? Surely we can mock and help at the same time. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Medic wrote: > > Or mock you. Either or. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> Feel free to ask any questions here. We'll be glad to help. >> larr

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
You forgot to mention that Isreal was responsible for blocking the muffin's arrival in Gaza. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > btw, the fact that erika makes muffins is completely and UTTERLY > george bushes fault, > in fact, its so much his fault, that Sam and Dana and Lar

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
And Dana said... nothing you idiots! Dana's dead, she's locked in my basement! (Ha-ha!) But really...I think she ran off with Gruss On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > btw, the fact that erika makes muffins is completely and UTTERLY > george bushes fault, > in fact, its so m

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Ras Tafari
btw, the fact that erika makes muffins is completely and UTTERLY george bushes fault, in fact, its so much his fault, that Sam and Dana and Larry all got married last week. there, have i covered enough flame topics to get something going??? :) cheers On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Zaphod Beeb

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
and irons, you forgot we talk about which is the best clothes iron. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Really? I never would have noticed. > > pardon the sarcasm. > > Anyhow that said, no matter what the disagreement is, we do help each > other on the list. At times when

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Medic
> > > I've seen people answer questions regarding backups, CSS, javascript, > .Net and even taxes. Good luck if your question is about Flex though. *grumble grumble grumble* ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http:/

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Medic
Or mock you. Either or. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Feel free to ask any questions here. We'll be glad to help. > larry > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:12 PM, trish simon > wrote: > > > > Darn! No one was supposed to notice I have been in the shadows. I was > > her

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Really? I never would have noticed. pardon the sarcasm. Anyhow that said, no matter what the disagreement is, we do help each other on the list. At times when I have a problem that I cannot solve, I post to this list rather than CF-Talk because of the response time (typically minutes rather than

RE: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Martin, Dustin W
I had noticed there were quite a few of those types of conversations. :) -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:h...@ilsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:07 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.) On 7/22/2010 11:01 AM, Larry C. Ly

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/22/2010 11:01 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Feel free to ask any questions here. We'll be glad to help. > larry *IF* everybody is not embroiled in the latest social-religious-political discussion of the day. ~| Order the A

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Feel free to ask any questions here. We'll be glad to help. larry On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:12 PM, trish simon wrote: > > Darn! No one was supposed to notice I have been  in the shadows. I was > here years ago when trying to learn CF5 for a project. > > I signed on under this name to post on cf-

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Prejudice still exists (hell, the shit I hear come out of my brother-in-law's mouth embarrasses and frightens me sometimes), but, admittedly as a white male, would like to think it is better than it was 20-30 years ago." No doubt. Look at King Samir Shabbaz. "Dude.." Dude "If out of a

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread trish simon
Darn! No one was supposed to notice I have been in the shadows. I was here years ago when trying to learn CF5 for a project. I signed on under this name to post on cf-job for a "tutor and mentor"...trying to re-learn what I thought I knew. I got side-tracked and haven't found my tutor yet! :-)

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
What about Trish? Make extra muffins. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Martin, Dustin W wrote: > > Ha...ya, I'm a newbie. Hmm...maybe I should have made a formal > introduction...and ate some muffins first. Anyway, my name is Dustin Martin. > I'm a ColdFusion programmer. Been doing it a few

Re: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't ever recall getting muffins when I started posting. :( On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > ** ears perk up ** > > What's this? Who's this? A NEWBIE?!?!? WTF! :) > > /me searches thru 10 years of archived CFComm email > > Well I be damned. It is. :) > > Welcome

RE: NEWBIE ALERT ( was Re: Online Backup Services.)

2010-07-22 Thread Martin, Dustin W
Ha...ya, I'm a newbie. Hmm...maybe I should have made a formal introduction...and ate some muffins first. Anyway, my name is Dustin Martin. I'm a ColdFusion programmer. Been doing it a few years now. This list seemed to have some interesting conversations. :) Dustin -Original Message-

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
I think it may be more accurate to say prejudice is not as big of a barrier as it used to be. Prejudice still exists (hell, the shit I hear come out of my brother-in-law's mouth embarrasses and frightens me sometimes), but, admittedly as a white male, would like to think it is better than it was

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
Sam: It's too bad you're such a hater. You could be an asset to the list. Larry: Sam I just hate your ignorance, intolerance, your style of argument (ie., if someone disagrees and you cannot adequately respond launch personal attacks). Too funny ;) ~

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
We were having a nice discussion until you had to make it personal and accused everyone that didn't hold your viewpoint as angry attack dogs. I'm just saying when you stop seeing us as enemies and realize we're allowed to hold different views the discussions stay civil. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
Agreed. Was just throwing in that I have known successful minorities who still complain about being held back. Adding another dimension to what Kris posted. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > I would venture to say there's more than 3 types of "black" people :) > > >

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
Did you just say being black was a handicap? As I've stated before, remove the negatives like parents attitude towards education and they there are no differences in achievements. That's not say prejudice doesn't exist, it just isn't a barrier to success like it used to be. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Vivec
If what you said was applicable on a Nationwide level, the realities of the figures for employment, poverty, discrimination,leadership in the corporate sector, business ownership etc. would be very different. It is very easy to use anecdotes to attempt to portray those Blacks who do not achieve a

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I would venture to say there's more than 3 types of "black" people :) On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I used to wrok with a guy who was a very successful doctor. Great guy, > hard worker, but he used to drone on about being held back by 'the > man' (yes, he used to say

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Sam I just hate your ignorance, intolerance, your style of argument (ie., if someone disagrees and you cannot adequately respond launch personal attacks). Its amazing how someone like you can be so intelligent and so stupid at the same time. Tell me does your head explode on a regular basis from

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
I used to wrok with a guy who was a very successful doctor. Great guy, hard worker, but he used to drone on about being held back by 'the man' (yes, he used to say 'the man'). So, for me, that would be a third kind of person. One who works hard, but still complains about being oppressed. On Thu,

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
I remember as a child having a discussion about skin color with the children of several of the musicians in my Dad's band. We decided they were darker cause God left them in the oven longer. Kids are wonderfully unbiased until taught otherwise. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
My five year old daughter just says my friends. I never knew the ethnicity of any of the kids until I met them. Funny thing is that she's the only blonde blue-eyed kid in the lot. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > My daughters refer to their friends as "..the one wit

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Vivec
Dude.. If out of a population of 10,000 you have 100 wheel-chair bound men who excel... can you argue that men in wheel-chairs have it easy now and there is no need for special handicap treatment? The facts show that it is MUCH HARDER to achieve even mediocrity, far less excel as a black person

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
Wow, that's sad. Categorizing people based on color? Don't they have names? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > My daughters refer to their friends as "..the one with blond hair, the > one with brown skin, the one with tan skin, the one with black hair, > the one with

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2010-07-22 Thread Sisk, Kris
Wow...are you really that naïve? I know two types of black people. I know some who wine about being kept down by 'the man' and never put any effort into making themselves a success. If you call them on it they try to tell you there's no point in even trying because being black means they have

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2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Word. My daughter, thus far, just refers to everyone by name. I assume that ethnicity will come up at some point since there are several different ethnicities on our block but at this point it is all Jeff, Tamara, Zeomara, Simon, Linda, etc. I like that. Judah On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Za

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You mean like one of your favourite sources? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Sam wrote: > > I'm going buy the video you linked to. Are you saying Maddow lied or I > should just pick out the parts that help your case? > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox > wrote: >> >> Bre

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2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > How about Sumo Wrestling. That might tend to favor big guys like myself. :D -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkc

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2010-07-22 Thread Sam
It's too bad you're such a hater. You could be an asset to the list. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Unfortunately trish all the right wingers on the list now have you in > their sights. > > Generally I agree with you, but that said, I have no problems > discussing my

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2010-07-22 Thread Sam
So what's Sharrod after? Another huge lawsuit payout? "I think they should but they won't. They intended exactly what they did. "They were looking for the result they got yesterday," Sherrod said of Fox. "I am just a pawn. I was just here. They are after a bigger thing, they would love to take us

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2010-07-22 Thread Ras Tafari
oh, and some space cakes from Ras... enjoy! On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > ** ears perk up ** > > What's this? Who's this? A NEWBIE?!?!? WTF! :) > > /me searches thru 10 years of archived CFComm email > > Well I be damned. It is. :) > > Welcome to CF-Comm. If you

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2010-07-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
My daughters refer to their friends as "..the one with blond hair, the one with brown skin, the one with tan skin, the one with black hair, the one with the green eyes"...as if skin color were nothing more or less different that hair color or eye color. They're not Black, Asian, Mexican or any of

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
I'm going buy the video you linked to. Are you saying Maddow lied or I should just pick out the parts that help your case? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > Breitbart pushed his article at 8:18am.  FoxNews.com pushed one out > after that.  It's been pulled so it's h

Re: FW: New Zealand museum thaws 100-year-old Scotch

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Alcohol has a lower freezing point than water. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Ian Skinner wrote: > >  On 7/22/2010 8:42 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> At least one bottle that is. >> >> I suspect that you're right. Repeated freezing and thawing would wreck >> the taste. > > But would it have re

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2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "How do you determine your ethnicity? When the census form comes to you, how > do you go about figuring out what to put down?" > > Exactly. You make my point for me.  Poverty is much easier to define and > check. That is rather disingenuou

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2010-07-22 Thread Erika L. Rich
** ears perk up ** What's this? Who's this? A NEWBIE?!?!? WTF! :) /me searches thru 10 years of archived CFComm email Well I be damned. It is. :) Welcome to CF-Comm. If you're a lurker, well you know the rules. If you're not a lurker, well, there are no rules. Except muffins. You must eat

Re: FW: New Zealand museum thaws 100-year-old Scotch

2010-07-22 Thread Ian Skinner
On 7/22/2010 8:42 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > At least one bottle that is. > > I suspect that you're right. Repeated freezing and thawing would wreck > the taste. But would it have repeatedly thawed if it was burred in Antarctic ice?

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Breitbart pushed his article at 8:18am. FoxNews.com pushed one out after that. It's been pulled so it's hard to tell the exact time. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I guess you don't count FoxNews.com as part of the Fox network?" > > > I suppose they are.  Did they

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2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"It is just as wrong to deny someone a job, college admission, etc based on how wealthy or poor they may be as it is to deny someone a job based on their skin color." Bravo. I'd better clarify or people will get the wrong idea. Remember that I have said if you have to have affirmative action,

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2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Here is a novel idea. How about if the job, college admission, etc go to the most qualified candidates - PERIOD." Bravo "It is just as wrong to deny someone a job, college admission, etc based on how wealthy or poor they may be as it is to deny someone a job based on their skin color." Bravo.

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Sam
Didn't Maddow uses video of O'Reilly and Hannity? Both went on after 8pm. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > I guess you don't count FoxNews.com as part of the Fox network? > > > ~| Order the Adobe

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2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
" Things have become so partisan and politically motivated that we don't care what the facts are. " Yep. On the other story you mention, why would anyone threaten to withdraw money from a charity over politics. It is ridiculous. "The administration seems that it was trying to cut losses asa

Re: FW: New Zealand museum thaws 100-year-old Scotch

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
At least one bottle that is. I suspect that you're right. Repeated freezing and thawing would wreck the taste. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Ray Champagne wrote: > > If the freezer smelled like Whisky, that would lead you to believe that the > bottle ain't sealed so well, right? I'm guessin

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2010-07-22 Thread Scott Stroz
Here is a novel idea. How about if the job, college admission, etc go to the most qualified candidates - PERIOD. It is just as wrong to deny someone a job, college admission, etc based on how wealthy or poor they may be as it is to deny someone a job based on their skin color. I think that if al

Re: Oops! Did I say that on tape? Shirley Sherrod of the USDA Sticks Her Foot In Her Mouth.

2010-07-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Unfortunately trish all the right wingers on the list now have you in their sights. Generally I agree with you, but that said, I have no problems discussing my views on the topic with any black person, or other minority for that matter. When I was in BC for my cousin's funeral last June, I did ha

Re: Gotta love Fox News

2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I guess you don't count FoxNews.com as part of the Fox network?" I suppose they are. Did they mention it earlier than 8? J - The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. I think myself that we have more machinery o

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2010-07-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"A list of successful blacks is actually indicative that the problems caused by prejudice and racism have not been solved to the point where they can now be ignored." In your eyes it may show that. To me, it points out the hypocrisy of saying someone is going to be poor or not successful because

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