> OK, hold the phone, i'm sick of thisam *I* the "he" in that
> paragraph
yes. In that you at any rate.
/me marks scorecard.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
~~~
the [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:00 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
First off I hate the way you use liberal.
Thomas Jefferson was a "liberal". The terms liberal and conservative
are bandied around so much that th
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree. I'm asking why he thinks a volunteer has no connection with a
> candidate unless they practice religion. Then suddenly the candidate
> is a religious zealot by mere association.
>
OK, hold the phone, i'm sick of thisam
Welcome to the Jungle baby, we got what ya need!
Water down your throat and a confession in the bag!
It's all for Democracy, And oh don't forget: your Lib-er-ty!
Men fought and died in a civil war in your land many years back.
It's a shame the only thing they fought for was a piece of paper
It's a
>That might be a dictionary definition of it, however I can assure you
>it's not a military or treaty definition of it.
>
>BTW, why no complaints about the torture tactics used AGAINST U.S.
>Service men and woman in EVERY war we've ever fought in. Why do we
>always need to be the ones following
On Feb 13, 2008 10:59 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First off I hate the way you use liberal.
>
> Thomas Jefferson was a "liberal". The terms liberal and conservative
> are bandied around so much that they have essentially lost all meaning.
Use the current meaning not the one from 200 y
I'm still wondering why it's a left-wing site...but if you are tired
of the conversation, fine... I need to get some things done too.
On Feb 13, 2008 3:15 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, I have knee jerk reactions, I think we all do about some things, and
> that is a sure fire way to
Ok, I have knee jerk reactions, I think we all do about some things, and
that is a sure fire way to make me shut down.
You're right I shouldn't say he has nothing to add to any conversation,
just that without some proof of their claims (photos or videos) and with
their obvious disdain for tho
You claim he called CIA and military officers "scumbags".
And from that you decided you "knew where he was coming from"
And from that you decided he was not credible, and had nothing to add
to any conversation.
But, you were wrong. Just thought you had more self-honesty than that.
After 8 years,
He also posted on a left wing site and provided no proof of his claims,
why would I care about that?
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> That is exactly why I figured you would care about getting it right,
> who said what, what their statements and beliefs are, rather than a
> knee-jerk reaction to what _some
That is exactly why I figured you would care about getting it right,
who said what, what their statements and beliefs are, rather than a
knee-jerk reaction to what _someone else_ said.
The "author", the OP who waterboarded himself, is a little to the
right of Sam on a political scale, and as gung-
This kind of makes me laugh, you guys have known me for what, about 8
years now?
I'm a constructionist constitutionalist libertarian objectavist.
I'm pretty sure that makes me about as closed minded as they come.
I'd rather see people die of starvation in the streets than violate my
political,
Amen to that too. One of the most sickening things about Abu Ghraib
was the way the lower ranks took the fall for it.
On Feb 13, 2008 2:41 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And, btw, if it is policy, don't leave the individual soldiers hanging
> out there on the limb alone.
>
> On Feb
Not at all, when did I claim to be?
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> OK, so one person, "Parental Advisory", used the term, that
> invalidates the entire thread?
>
> The author did not start using that term, but did, in a joking way,
> use it again, that invalidates the entire thread?
>
> You are not very
And, btw, if it is policy, don't leave the individual soldiers hanging
out there on the limb alone.
On Feb 13, 2008 4:25 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can agree with that.
>
> The ethics of the individual soldier are our highest law. We are told,
> you have a DUTY to disobey unlawful
no actually. At least not socialized medecine such as exists in Canada
and Britain. See previous rants on the topic. Social welfare -- I
think we have to have a social security system; I'm not willing to let
little old ladies starve. But I think I am pretty much in the
mainstream on that.
On medic
I think that they probably are guilty of what they are accused of and
of wanting to do worse. I think that the validity of their trials will
be questioned because of the waterboarding and because of all the
deceit and incompetence that has surrounded such detainees.
Otherwise I pretty much agree w
I can agree with that.
The ethics of the individual soldier are our highest law. We are told,
you have a DUTY to disobey unlawful or immoral orders.
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> He is implying, I guess, that the Brits regularly torture and violate
> civil liberties.
>
> Let me be clear about my pers
Not at all, I just didnt get your repsonse I guess, brain damage from
reading about waterboarding ...
On 2/13/08, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> um... I am agreeing with you? Is that so suprising? Going back to work
> too...
>
>
~~
You don't believe in SOCIALized health care and in SOCIAL welfare programs?
Dana wrote:
> Of me? Not really, though I know you think that. I mainly don't like
> the big government part. But it's all good.
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 1:33 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> hey I through social in fr
OK, so one person, "Parental Advisory", used the term, that
invalidates the entire thread?
The author did not start using that term, but did, in a joking way,
use it again, that invalidates the entire thread?
You are not very open in your views, are you?
On Feb 13, 2008 3:56 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL P
He is implying, I guess, that the Brits regularly torture and violate
civil liberties.
Let me be clear about my personal stance.
I am not too heartbroken over the 3 victims of waterboarding.
What does bother me is the weasly-mouthed, Clintonesque parsing of
words that is going on bu the administ
Why is a discussion of civil liverties "operational information"? I've
lived in Britain. There are differences. So?
On Feb 13, 2008 1:54 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not getting into operational information, Google it.
>
> They have different standards than we do, very different.
>
gt; - Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "CF-Community"
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:36 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
> >>>
>
Of me? Not really, though I know you think that. I mainly don't like
the big government part. But it's all good.
On Feb 13, 2008 1:33 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hey I through social in front of it, and I think thats a fair
> description wouldn't you?
>
> Dana wrote:
> > nice rant, so
Nope, I looked at those posts, the use of scumbag was meant to claim we
were all scumbags, and shows me where the author is coming from.
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> Of course it is relevant.
>
> This is one imagined circumstance.
>> "Now imagine you have some CIA or military officer"
>
> This is a v
ed him to 15 years hard
> >> labor, but now it's AOK when it is useful for 'us'.
> >>
> >> I am still trying to find something I read about what actually happens
> >> during waterboarding. It was pretty disturbing. I am pretty sure it was
> >> even posted to this
I'm not getting into operational information, Google it.
They have different standards than we do, very different.
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> Because???
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 3:36 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Isn't he a brit?
>>
>> They really have no business opening their mouth during an
um... I am agreeing with you? Is that so suprising? Going back to work too...
On Feb 13, 2008 1:12 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well that's what I meant by posting what I did ...
> Doesnt matter, I just thought that part of his post interesting enough to
> pull it out as
Of course it is relevant.
This is one imagined circumstance.
> "Now imagine you have some CIA or military officer"
This is a very different circumstance, to me implying a rogue or
unstable officer who is not using the torture as a last resort.
> "Now imagine you have some scumbag CIA or military
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-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:32 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Waterboarding (Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...)
I'm sure it's disturbing, I don't kn
That might be a dictionary definition of it, however I can assure you
it's not a military or treaty definition of it.
BTW, why no complaints about the torture tactics used AGAINST U.S.
Service men and woman in EVERY war we've ever fought in. Why do we
always need to be the ones following the r
This post:
"Now imagine you have some scumbag CIA or military officer"
Means nothing they have to say is relevant to me or to any true level
discussion of the topic, plus without video and photos I call bullshit.
Erika L. Walker wrote:
> He thinks it's torture ...
>
> "So, is it torture?
>
>
Because???
On Feb 13, 2008 3:36 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't he a brit?
>
> They really have no business opening their mouth during any discussion
> of civil liberties or torture.
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>> labor, but now it's AOK when it is useful for 'us'.
>>
>> I am still trying to find something I read about what actually happens
>> during waterboarding. It was pretty disturbing. I am pretty sure it was
>> even posted to this list.
>&g
ge -
>>> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "CF-Community"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Water boarding is not tor
hey I through social in front of it, and I think thats a fair
description wouldn't you?
Dana wrote:
> nice rant, so I'll overlook you the way *you* abuse the word liberal :)
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 11:59 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> First off I hate the way you use liberal.
>>
>> Thomas
ying to find something I read about what actually happens
> during waterboarding. It was pretty disturbing. I am pretty sure it was
> even posted to this list.
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community&q
Torture:
1
a: anguish of body or mind : agony
b: something that causes agony or pain
America can try all it wants to redefine Torture and to change the
English language, and they can bully the UN and other countries into
going along with it.
It won't change the fact that Waterboarding is Torture
Well that's what I meant by posting what I did ...
Doesnt matter, I just thought that part of his post interesting enough to
pull it out as point. That's all I did. Nothing more.
Going back to work now ...
On 2/13/08, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> it sounds to me like he would know...
it sounds to me like he would know...
On Feb 13, 2008 1:04 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know you posted it saying will did :P I replied to your email. I was
> just posting that bit of the page ... *He* referring to the guy that did
> the experiment.
>
>
> On 2/13/08, Dana
I know you posted it saying will did :P I replied to your email. I was
just posting that bit of the page ... *He* referring to the guy that did
the experiment.
On 2/13/08, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yes. That is the link that will posted. I dunno if it is the one todd
> is thinking of.
On Feb 13, 2008 12:24 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't call me that.
>
> He's just as bad on many issues. He's always has double standards when
> religion is involved.
>
Why does it feel like i'm being talked about in the third person...when I'm
standing in the room? :)
Oh well.Mr.
yes. That is the link that will posted. I dunno if it is the one todd
is thinking of.
On Feb 13, 2008 12:55 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He thinks it's torture ...
>
> "So, is it torture?
>
> I'll put it this way. If I had the choice of being waterboarded by a third
> party or
He thinks it's torture ...
"So, is it torture?
I'll put it this way. If I had the choice of being waterboarded by a third
party or having my fingers smashed one at a time by a sledgehammer, I'd take
the fingers, no question.
It's horrible, terrible, inhuman torture. I can hardly imagine worse. I
it was
> even posted to this list.
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
>
>
> > Do you have an
- Original Message -----
> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
>
>
> > Do you have an actual argument or just a "feeling"?
t; > From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community"
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
> >
> >
> >> Water boarding is not torture.
> >>
> >> Cutt
nice rant, so I'll overlook you the way *you* abuse the word liberal :)
On Feb 13, 2008 11:59 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First off I hate the way you use liberal.
>
> Thomas Jefferson was a "liberal". The terms liberal and conservative
> are bandied around so much that they have esse
you would know more about the rules of warfare than I so I defer to
you in that. However -- those people who were finally charged with the
crimes of 9/11 were charged onthe basis of allegations made under
torture which nullifies the validity of the proceedings in many
people's eyes, which is an eno
erboarding. It was pretty disturbing. I am pretty sure it was
even posted to this list.
- Original Message -
From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
> Do
Do you have an actual argument or just a "feeling"?
Todd wrote:
> I call bullshit on this.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:36 PM
> Su
First off I hate the way you use liberal.
Thomas Jefferson was a "liberal". The terms liberal and conservative
are bandied around so much that they have essentially lost all meaning.
You're a big government compassionate conservative, they are big
government social liberals, you both suck.
I'm using MY definition of what I think is acceptable treatment for an
enemy combatant. One that has NO rights under the rules of land warfare
and could be summarily executed at any time as a spy or a saboteur.
I love the fact that I just automatically piss of the republicans and
the democrats
I call bullshit on this.
- Original Message -
From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
> Water boarding is not torture.
>
> Cutting off finge
Just pointing out how liberal it is to give a democrat a pass but
mention religion and republicans are guilty without doubt.
On Feb 13, 2008 10:28 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hate religion, can't stand it. It split up my family, has caused me
> to be deployed on multiple occasions,
You are using their definition. If someone pours water up your nose
you will probably tell anyone anything you think they want to hear,
whether it is reaching your lungs or not. I am using you in the
generic sense here. Not you specifically.
On Feb 13, 2008 11:36 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
On Feb 13, 2008 10:26 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The PATRIOT Act, Warrantless wiretapping,
A democrat party political issue fro years until they had to vote
unanimously for it.
> Operation TIPS,
Doesn't exist.
> constant
> reminders about which Alert stage we're sitting at.
Water boarding is not torture.
Cutting off fingers, electrocution, burning, beating, kicking, these are
torture.
Or to expand on the argument, while PHYSICAL torture is and should be
banned, psychological torture isn't and shouldn't be.
I mean the cops can use a lot of methods that are constru
you forgot some stuff. Defining pollution to exclude any petroleum
byproduct. Defining torture to exclude waterboarding. Decimating the
public trust. That's just off the top of my head. And lying, don't
forget lying. They all lie, but Bush has made a shameless career
strategy of it.
On Feb 13, 200
I hate religion, can't stand it. It split up my family, has caused me
to be deployed on multiple occasions, has caused countless centuries of
death and disaster for the common people.
We have every right to feel about religion however we want. It's
enshrined in our constitution.
Sam wrote:
>
> > Jesus,
> Don't call me that.
LOL. that was pretty good Sam :-)
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
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> So you got nothing again but Bush this inner feeling Bush is evil,
> it's called Bush derangement syndrome. :)
The PATRIOT Act, Warrantless wiretapping, Operation TIPS, constant
reminders about which Alert stage we're sitting at. Rendition and
indefinite holding of persons without charge or coun
On Feb 13, 2008 10:06 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Douche bag says what?
Nice
> Jesus, I can see saying that about the straight liberal line followers
> but G Money is certainly not one of them.
Don't call me that.
He's just as bad on many issues. He's always has double standards whe
Because I don't know anything about Obama, he never says anything.
On Feb 13, 2008 10:02 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See, this is where you and I differ. I would also expect a statement, but I
> wouldn't REQUIRE one, and I would certainly not feel that "anything less was
> unacceptab
We've been over this. Why beat a dead horse?
On Feb 13, 2008 10:01 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The government tapping my phone lines without having to get a warrant and
> explain to SOMEONE why they are doing it..that is 'spying on each
> other', because what is the government if
:) Go Tim go.
On Feb 13, 2008 11:07 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> excuses, lies and diversions
>
> G Money wrote:
> > Good!
> >
> > What if this flag had been hanging in a republican campaign office? What
> > could I expect from you?
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2008 10:49 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTE
On Feb 13, 2008 9:56 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So Obama is going to end this made up war on terror?
>
> I didn't say the War on Terror(tm) was made up. Nor did I say Obama
> was going to end it.
Then What does this mean and what will Obama change?
"No, but I don't like the
excuses, lies and diversions
G Money wrote:
> Good!
>
> What if this flag had been hanging in a republican campaign office? What
> could I expect from you?
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 10:49 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> That's exactly what I expected from you.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2008 6:01 AM
Douche bag says what?
Jesus, I can see saying that about the straight liberal line followers
but G Money is certainly not one of them.
Sam wrote:
> That's exactly what I expected from you.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 6:01 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nice try.
>>
>> I wouldn't be concer
On Feb 13, 2008 11:59 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would expect a statement denouncing the flag , Che and the volunteer.
> Anything less is unacceptable.
>
See, this is where you and I differ. I would also expect a statement, but I
wouldn't REQUIRE one, and I would certainly not feel th
thank you. I get sooo tired of the Fox News excuses for this stuff.
On Feb 13, 2008 11:01 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The government tapping my phone lines without having to get a warrant and
> explain to SOMEONE why they are doing it..that is 'spying on each
> other', because wha
The government tapping my phone lines without having to get a warrant and
explain to SOMEONE why they are doing it..that is 'spying on each
other', because what is the government if it isn't comprised of "us"???
On Feb 13, 2008 11:56 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So Obama i
It would be on the cover of every paper.
I would expect a statement denouncing the flag , Che and the volunteer.
Anything less is unacceptable.
On Feb 13, 2008 8:57 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good!
>
> What if this flag had been hanging in a republican campaign office? What
> coul
> So Obama is going to end this made up war on terror?
I didn't say the War on Terror(tm) was made up. Nor did I say Obama
was going to end it.
> I still don't know who told you to report on your neighbors.
Well we can start with Operation TIPS. Though it didn't come to full
fruition, it does no
Good!
What if this flag had been hanging in a republican campaign office? What
could I expect from you?
On Feb 13, 2008 10:49 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's exactly what I expected from you.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 6:01 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nice try.
> >
> > I wo
That's exactly what I expected from you.
On Feb 13, 2008 6:01 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice try.
>
> I wouldn't be concerned at all, because I know that Obama supports the
> teaching of real science in biology classrooms.
>
> (Then I'd suggest that maybe the supporter would feel m
Nice try.
I wouldn't be concerned at all, because I know that Obama supports the
teaching of real science in biology classrooms.
(Then I'd suggest that maybe the supporter would feel more comfortable in a
Huckabee campaign headquarters :)
On Feb 12, 2008 3:11 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
>
>
> why not?
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 3:05 PM, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i am invited to the first meeting here in central ohio for B but there
> > is no way in Hell i am going to a Pipe fitt
Pipefitterphobia
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:41 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
why not?
On Feb 12, 2008 3:05 PM, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i am invited to the firs
why not?
On Feb 12, 2008 3:05 PM, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i am invited to the first meeting here in central ohio for B
> but there is no way in Hell i am going to a Pipe fitters building...
--
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Get the Fre
So Obama is going to end this made up war on terror?
I still don't know who told you to report on your neighbors.
On Feb 12, 2008 1:29 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Do you fear everyone else and report on your neighbor?
>
> No, but I don't like the fact that that is exactly wh
> Do you fear everyone else and report on your neighbor?
No, but I don't like the fact that that is exactly what the Bush
Administration has been asking us to do for nearly eight years.
Terror alert is what right now? Orange?
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that w
Do you fear everyone else and report on your neighbor?
On Feb 12, 2008 1:19 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WTF are you talking about?
>
> Hope.
>
>
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> WTF are you talking about?
Hope.
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and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
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What if it was an ID poster?
On Feb 12, 2008 1:01 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I thought Obama himself held some sort of esteem for people like Guevera,
> then I would be alarmed. The fact that ONE of his millions of supporters
> doeswell, that just doesn't bother me.
>
> If he
If I thought Obama himself held some sort of esteem for people like Guevera,
then I would be alarmed. The fact that ONE of his millions of supporters
doeswell, that just doesn't bother me.
If he feels he needs to speak out against her to allay people's fears for
some reason, I'd be fine with t
WTF are you talking about?
On Feb 12, 2008 11:50 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes we can what?
>
> Yes we can be the change we seek.
>
> After 8 years of fear everyone else and report on your neighbor, it's
> refreshing.
>
~
Nobody can unify the congress when people like Read and Pelosy or in charge.
On Feb 12, 2008 11:43 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You don't get it. Either he will come in, unify the congress across the
> isles and do some good. Or he will be a far left nut job and destroy
> democratic c
Amen.
On Feb 12, 2008 12:50 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes we can what?
>
> Yes we can be the change we seek.
>
> After 8 years of fear everyone else and report on your neighbor, it's
> refreshing.
>
> --
> will
>
> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
> and that
yeah you're probably right
On Feb 12, 2008 12:47 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hmmm ok. What about the fact that this is not a campaign staffer?
>
> Doesn't matter. Conservatives are going to make hay out of this no matter
> what.
>
> If he apologizes they'll attack him for adm
> Yes we can what?
Yes we can be the change we seek.
After 8 years of fear everyone else and report on your neighbor, it's
refreshing.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
~~
> hmmm ok. What about the fact that this is not a campaign staffer?
Doesn't matter. Conservatives are going to make hay out of this no matter what.
If he apologizes they'll attack him for admitting a mistake (even
though the mistake wasn't his). If he doesn't apologize, he's covering
up "leftist"
ng the actions and ideals of one or a handful of
>>>>> supporters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, taking my PR hat off, I still don't think he should denounce it
>>>>> because
>>>>> who really cares??? Only those who are looking for an
You don't get it. Either he will come in, unify the congress across the
isles and do some good. Or he will be a far left nut job and destroy
democratic credibility, like bush has mostly done.
If one, good for us, if two it'll be painful but would hopefully lead to
the rise of a successful thir
cares??? Only those who are looking for anything and everything
> >>> they can get their hands on to smear him. With the way he's conducted
> >>> himself and this campaign so far, it would be extremely out of character
> >>> for
> >>> him to give c
I'm interested in this change but nobody will talk about it.
I read his document the other day, a lot of talk about voting
inequalities and people not being allowed to unionize. Sounds like the
50's. I wonder he voted on the anonymous union vote issue recently.
On Feb 12, 2008 11:14 AM, Loathe <[
27;s conducted
>>> himself and this campaign so far, it would be extremely out of character for
>>> him to give credence to such drivel. He's trying to move beyond this kind of
>>> politics.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Sam [ma
and asking because
> I want to know.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:14 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ...
>
> You are 100% wrong.
>
> He has a ton of s
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