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Typical using a source that has all the journalistic integrity of rotting carp.
There's a reason you know why the paper is nicknamed the Winnipeg Scum.
Looks like they made some changes:
http://blog.canoe.ca/raisinghell/2009/08/18/we_need_private_mris
At least in some other provinces such as
I prefer studies taken from peer reviewed journals than most newspapers. There
is some degree of independent vetting of the facts, rather than right wing
agendas and editorializing thinly disguised as news reporting.
You're disputing an article written last week with a report from
2002?
The source doesn't matter here.
Do you agree with him or disagree?
Can Canadians pay for an MRI in Canada?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Larry Lyonslarrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Typical using a source that has all the journalistic integrity of rotting
carp.
There's a reason you know why
ROTFL
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Larry Lyonslarrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
I prefer studies taken from peer reviewed journals than most newspapers.
There is some degree of independent vetting of the facts, rather than right
wing agendas and editorializing thinly disguised as news
The source doesn't matter here.
Do you agree with him or disagree?
Can Canadians pay for an MRI in Canada?
The point I'm making is that by relying on biased blog postings sponsored by
the Winnipeg Scum (local nickname for the tabloid), I'm more than skeptical of
anything that's said in it.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Now in comparison to the US what is the wait time for an MRI or CT scan
when the person is poor and uninsured?
Trick question!
In the US, the poor and uninsured don't get MRI's or CT scans :/
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Some things will
The answer was yes.
As of around 2005 those other provinces have Private MRI's available.
Was that question that hard to answer?
I'm not sure why you two only want to compare the US uninsured to the
entire Canadian system but I''ll answer again:
About 1 hour.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:35 AM,
Why would you say that?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:47 AM, G Moneygm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Trick question!
In the US, the poor and uninsured don't get MRI's or CT scans :/
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would you say that?
How would a poor or uninsured person pay for an MRI? They are ridiculously
expensive. Hell, even people WITH insurance get turned down for MRI's
because their insurance companies don't want to pay for
I pay 840 dollars for each MRI I have, once a month. That's a 1200
dollar MRI with a discount for paying cash. When I don't have the
full amount, I pay a bit down, and then monthly payments on the
balance.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:54 AM, G Moneygm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
How would a poor or
I'm not sure why you two only want to compare the US uninsured to the
entire Canadian
First, we haven't been _only_ comparing to the uninsured. Any facts either
one of has posted has been an unbiased comparison to the systems as a whole.
However one of the biggest strengths of the Canadian
That is unbelievable. 1200 dollars for a 15 minute test.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
I pay 840 dollars for each MRI I have, once a month. That's a 1200
dollar MRI with a discount for paying cash. When I don't have the
full amount, I pay a bit
Did you read the WSJ article about death panels?
This admin said 80% of health care cost is on the elderly and the goal
is to reduce costs.
Do the math.
It would be nice to have health care for everybody, but at what cost?
Why can't we take the time to build a plan that will work? Why the
rush
Sam, you're all over the place in this thread mate.
I'm not saying the US should adopt any other country's system.
You are attacking the Canadian system with silly and unfounded facts and
I'm defending it. Try to follow along mate.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
You must be talking about the Edwards two America's. Where if you're
poor the hospital will ship you to a free clinic across town that
doesn't have an MRI. Oh wait, that only happen at Michelle Obama's
hospital. You do know there's a criminal investigation? I'm sure
Holder will make that too go
Actually I jumped in when Larry said a three month wait for an MRI or
a specialist was a good thing.
I just pointed out how silly that sounded :P
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Sam, you're all over the place in this thread mate.
I'm not saying the US
The median for non-emergency MRI was 2 weeks. Emergency situations would be
immediate. Why are you so hung up on MRI's? You seem a little OCD with the
whole imaging thing. I would bet that if you asked a group of Canadians if
they would prefer:
a) MRI's in an hour but have to pay for insurance
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
The median for non-emergency MRI was 2 weeks. Emergency situations would be
immediate. Why are you so hung up on MRI's? You seem a little OCD with the
whole imaging thing. I would bet that if you asked a group of Canadians
According to this Feb 2009 study wait time is still a major problem.
Yes it is a major problem. One that is being addressed by provincial
goverment as a top priority and has been improving. To be fair though, it
pales in comparison to the major problems in the US system.
Isn't that the
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Yes it is a major problem. One that is being addressed by provincial
goverment as a top priority and has been improving. To be fair though, it
pales in comparison to the major problems in the US system.
Mine is bad but
You have no idea what your talking about, you make shit up and then
cry when I bitch-slap you with facts. It's tiring.
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Yes it is a major problem. One that is being addressed by provincial
goverment as a top priority and has been improving. To be fair though, it
pales in comparison to the major problems in the US system.
I dunno.we
Ok, my questions would be, of those 85% that are insured:
- how much does it cost for that insurance?
- how much does that insurance cover?
- will that insurance try to refute claims?
- will that insurance still carry a patient if they end up with a terminal
illness?
Top-of-the-line care is
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Ok, my questions would be, of those 85% that are insured:
- how much does it cost for that insurance?
Somewhere between barely too much, and WAY too much.
- how much does that insurance cover?
If you pay barely too
You really do seem to just absorb and recite talking points and radio talk
show topics Sam. I'd be interested to know what you'd come up with if you
did the thinking for yourself and removed all the spin.
To be fair, I think absorbing and reciting talking points is something
we are all guilty
- how much does it cost for that insurance?
You do know that the 'free' healthcare in Canada really is not 'free'
right? The money has to come from somewhere. So, you are paying for
it, whether its through premiums or taxes (or both?), you are paying
for it.
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That is unbelievable. 1200 dollars for a 15 minute test.
and doesn't that sum up the entire healthcare problem?
In a market economy I would be surprised if it cost more than $100,
and so we'd just write a check or slap down a visa.
But I'm dumb in thinking that's a good
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Gruss Gottgrussg...@gmail.com wrote:
gMoney wrote:
That is unbelievable. 1200 dollars for a 15 minute test.
and doesn't that sum up the entire healthcare problem?
In a market economy I would be surprised if it cost more than $100,
and so we'd just write
Seriously? I didn't realize that. Ok scratch everything I've said.
*snicker*
Of course it's paid for through taxes.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
- how much does it cost for that insurance?
You do know that the 'free' healthcare in Canada really is
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Ok, my questions would be, of those 85% that are insured:
- how much does it cost for that insurance?
Depends on too many variables
- how much does that insurance cover?
See above
- will that insurance try to refute
I never heard the UK health system referred to as top-of-the-line.
Are you now using the blanket statement that everyone in Canada has
the same coverage as only the top plans in America? Comments like that
make it near impossible to have a real discussion with you.
Damn Sam. You have enough
You spend more time on personal attacks then discussing the issues.
I guess the only way to stop that is to agree with you.
Canada and UK have top-of-the-line health care equal to what congress
has in the US.
The US health system sucks and anyone who likes it is a fkin moron
We're done.
On
I would hardly call my statements a personal attack, but whatevs.
I agree with this part: Canada and UK have top-of-the-line health care
Past that you are putting words in my mouth, as per usual. That's part of
why people get so frustrated with you. You tend to incorrectly paraphrase
and draw
- how much does it cost for that insurance?
You do know that the 'free' healthcare in Canada really is not 'free'
right? The money has to come from somewhere. So, you are paying for
it, whether its through premiums or taxes (or both?), you are paying
for it.
Of course when you factor in the
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Past that you are putting words in my mouth, as per usual. That's part of
why people get so frustrated with you. You tend to incorrectly paraphrase
and draw (jump to) conclusions from thin air.
I got you exactly right.
That
My arrogance is very much warranted. I r0x0r.
And which words have I backed away from Sam?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Past that you are putting words in my mouth, as per usual. That's
P.S. I'm gone to the cottage until Sunday night. So you have lots of time
to, as Urge Overkill sang: Come around to my way of thinking.
Have a good weekend Sammy.
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Time? We're not done yet?
Enjoy the cottage.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
P.S. I'm gone to the cottage until Sunday night. So you have lots of time
to, as Urge Overkill sang: Come around to my way of thinking.
Have a good weekend Sammy.
BTW that study was based on information over 3 years old. If you want up to
date, province by province information on a variety of medical procedures and
diagnostics try this link:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/qual/acces/wait-attente/index-eng.php
Another up to date source is this site:
MG wants to know why you're still talking about MRI's?
I don't really care if you only have to wait a month, I only have to
wait an hour.
http://www.waittimes.net/waittimes/en/wt_data_map.aspx?LHIN=8Mod=0
Is the 30 days a target or actual?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Larry
depends... around here it is 2 to 14 hours depending on how backed up the ER
is. The patient may go broke afterward tho.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
The source doesn't matter here.
Do you agree with him or disagree?
Can Canadians pay for an MRI
I agree with this part: Canada and UK have top-of-the-line health care
dont agree. On a macro scale it does more good for more people. But is not
top=of-the-line health care
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Danadana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
two malls. Both a couple thousand miles from here. Just saying. There are
only about four here and none of them are at the mall ;)
ok... how many MRIs at a mall do *you* have access to at the moment, Sam?
Just saying. If there are only two in the country this is not an example of
accessible healthcare. Though there is an argument to be made than access to
MRIs != access to healthcare.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Sam
I have 2 MRI/radiology centers closer than the nearest mall.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Danadana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
ok... how many MRIs at a mall do *you* have access to at the moment, Sam?
Just saying. If there are only two in the country this is not an example of
accessible
lol Sam. Why does healthcare mean MRI's to you? If every man woman and
child had an MRI in their garage would it be a healthy country? That's just
one tiny piece of a very large puzzle. And FYI. If a Canadian didn't want to
wait the approx. two weeks for their free MRI they could always just go
Larry thinks it's perfect. We can learn from many things, I never doubted that.
Interesting but I am not sure what you are trying to prove with it. What I
am getting out of that link is that the system is not perfect their either.
If that's what you are saying I agree, except that I am
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
lol Sam. Why does healthcare mean MRI's to you? If every man woman and
child had an MRI in their garage would it be a healthy country? That's just
one tiny piece of a very large puzzle.
Wh?
Larry posted the MRI in under
Knowing they send the real sick people to the US for treatment it
ain't that bad.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Larry Lyonslarrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
I have never thought it perfect, only in your imagination I guess. But what I
do know is that unless you have very good coverage here,
Um, I don't think posted that single fact as proof the Canadian system is
excellent. You just hear (read) what you want anyway so it's fairly
pointless. Not sure where you got the notion that Canada ships it's sick
people to the U.S. though. You see a lot more Americans going to Canada for
The US has developed many state of the art techniques in many areas of
health care. Our overall health care system is bloated and over priced and
generally a jumbled mess...yes, that's truebut at a micro level our
country has an awful lot of amazingly smart people doing incredible things.
So
I have read that the system in Canada is less than optimal and there
are long wait times, yet no one I know who actually lives in Canada
has ever made the same statements, even when asked.
So, who do you believe?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Um, I
I guess you missed that thread. They do.
http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Um, I don't think posted that single fact as proof the Canadian system is
excellent. You just hear (read) what you want
The Canadian system saves money by not investing in the latest and
greatest equipment and expertise. They do it because they send
patients to America. Their system is dependent on our system. Not the
other way around.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:13 AM, G Moneygm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
So let's
*sigh*
okee.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
The Canadian system saves money by not investing in the latest and
greatest equipment and expertise. They do it because they send
patients to America. Their system is dependent on our system. Not the
other way
http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/
Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative
arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely
available across the border.
Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of
Knowing they send the real sick people to the US for treatment it
ain't that bad.
And that is a simple bit of propaganda bullshit. The actual numbers are so
small as to be essentially statistical noise:
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/19
Phantoms In The Snow:
You're disputing an article written last week with a report from 2002?
Really?
Really?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Larry Lyonslarrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Knowing they send the real sick people to the US for treatment it
ain't that bad.
And that is a simple bit of propaganda
seriously, is that an option now? Because it didn't use to be an that was
one of my criticisms of that system.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
lol Sam. Why does healthcare mean MRI's to you? If every man woman and
child had an MRI in their garage would
AFAIK there _are_ private clinics.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
seriously, is that an option now? Because it didn't use to be an that was
one of my criticisms of that system.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Looks like they made some changes:
http://blog.canoe.ca/raisinghell/2009/08/18/we_need_private_mris
At least in some other provinces such as Nova Scotia, Quebec and B.C.,
the public has options to buy MRI services from private clinics. In
Manitoba, we dont have that choice unless we leave the
gMoney wrote:
So if a group of American doctors develops a break through technique to
treat a disease, and this technique has not yet been exported to doctors in
other countries, then it makes sense that people who could benefit from it
would flock to the US to receive this care.
And right
as far as you know or are you sure? This is a serious question, not a
gotcha. I am not aware of any, but this might be a new thing my mother has
not mentioned to me because it seems obvious to her, like SOnic is to me.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Dana wrote:
I don't get it. Well, I do - the insurance company stands to lose money.
That's what this is all about.
Ever heard of US military's health insurance called TRICARE?
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Health Net Federal Services, LLC, the
government operations division of Health Net, Inc.
When people talk about waiting lists for MRIs, they are talking about
Ontario;
How many years ago was this?
That's the place where I had to threaten to drive over the bridge and tell
US immigration that I needed
emergency medical care before they would xray my leg
- At the time did
How many years ago was this?
This year?
From August 14, 2009
Despite having twice as many MRI scanners today as in 2005, the provinces
average waiting time has only fallen from 120 days to 100. The target is 28
When people talk about waiting lists for MRIs, they are talking about
Ontario;
How many years ago was this?
Here is some interesting information about this. Health Canada, a federal
department, regularly publishes a series of surveys of the health care system
in Canada based on Canadians
There are, but journalism isn't advertising. It's at best fiction that
could be labelled based on a true story.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought there were laws about truth in advertising.
Larry wrote:
At this point the propaganda I've seen in the media that have attacked the
Canadian system are outright lies. I thought there were laws about truth in
advertising.
So we could duplicate this performance if we:
* cut our population to 30 million
* Changed our system of
3 months or less for an MRI?
Same for a specialist?
Why would we want to do that?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Gruss Gottgrussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Larry wrote:
At this point the propaganda I've seen in the media that have attacked the
Canadian system are outright lies. I thought
The median is less than two weeks for non-emergency cases.
What's your wait time in the U.S. without insurance?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
3 months or less for an MRI?
Same for a specialist?
Why would we want to do that?
What's the price of tea in China?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
The median is less than two weeks for non-emergency cases.
What's your wait time in the U.S. without insurance?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
3
* cut our population to 30 million
Well if it's based on a percentage of tax income then doesn't it stand to
reason that if you increase the number of users you also proportionally
increase the amount of tax money to pay for it? X percent is X percent
regardless of what the whole number
What's the cost of tinfoil where you live?
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Why do you think it fluctuates so much? Could it be the area it's
sold? The quality of the tea? Do you also have black market prices or
are they included?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Larry Lyonslarrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
What's the price of tea in China?
that is a very stupid
Admittedly I did steal Larry's retort. Only because I find the notion of
you carefully constructing a tin foil hat pleasant.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Stealing Larry's witty retorts?
You could get a MRI the same day in many places in the US with or
And as an I.T. person I understand that scalability is very much possible
providing you have a proper plan and a proper backbone.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Grant wrote:
* cut our population to 30 million
Well if it's based on a
Well, when you steal lines from an idiot ...
;)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Admittedly I did steal Larry's retort. Only because I find the notion of
you carefully constructing a tin foil hat pleasant.
Two things which are usually very costly.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
And as an I.T. person I understand that scalability is very much possible
providing you have a proper plan and a proper backbone.
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Did I miss something in these threads that I didn't read?
Why would you replace a successful system with a failed system?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
And as an I.T. person I understand that scalability is very much possible
providing you have a
Stealing Larry's witty retorts?
You could get a MRI the same day in many places in the US with or
without insurance.
Not that it has anything to do with the discussion.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
What's the cost of tinfoil where you live?
Grant wrote:
* cut our population to 30 million
Well if it's based on a percentage of tax income
The point is that the assumption that something that works for 30
million will scale to 400 million (assuming all other things being
equal) is not a good assumption to make.
(BTW, shouldn't
Sam wrote:
You could get a MRI the same day in many places in the US with or
without insurance.
There's no line at the ones at the mall right now.
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What's the price of tea in China?
that is a very stupid response.
btw current prices range from $0.50 and to $1,000 per kilo.
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Well, when you steal lines from an idiot ...
;)
he was stealing my lines not yours.
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Why do you think it fluctuates so much? Could it be the area it's
sold? The quality of the tea? Do you also have black market prices or
are they included?
That was the current price range, depending on tea quality which ranges from
little better than floor sweepings to scholar's tea.
You are saying that the U.S. system is successful and the Canadian system is
failed?
I guess it depends on your comparison criteria. If wait time for a non
essential MRI is your criteria then perhaps you are right. If the percentage
of bankruptcies due to health care costs is your criteria...
You are saying that the U.S. system is successful and the Canadian system is
failed?
I guess it depends on your comparison criteria. If wait time for a non
essential MRI is your criteria then perhaps you are right. If the percentage
of bankruptcies due to health care costs is your criteria...
Absolutely!
Who in their right mind would think health coverage for the masses would be
cheap? Doing the right thing is always harder/more expensive than cutting
corners.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:
Two things which are usually very costly.
On Wed,
How about medical survival rates?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Michael Grantmgr...@modus.bz wrote:
You are saying that the U.S. system is successful and the Canadian system is
failed?
I guess it depends on your comparison criteria. If wait time for a non
essential MRI is your criteria
I guess you didn't get the joke. :)
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Larry Lyonslarrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Why do you think it fluctuates so much? Could it be the area it's
sold? The quality of the tea? Do you also have black market prices or
are they included?
That was the current price
Well, you and Ted sure showed me. I am completely on-board now.
not.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Larry Lyonslarrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
You are saying that the U.S. system is successful and the Canadian system is
failed?
I guess it depends on your comparison criteria. If wait time for
Canadians have lower rates of in-hospital mortality (1.4% Canada vs. 2.2%
U.S.).
And here's some other interesting comparisons:
Average in-hospital treatment costs are nearly twice as much in the U.S.
($20,673 U.S. vs. $10,373)
There are 9.9 qualified nurses per 1000 population in Canada
How about medical survival rates?
You are saying that the U.S. system is successful and the Canadian system is
failed?
I guess it depends on your comparison criteria. If wait time for a non
essential MRI is your criteria then perhaps you are right. If the percentage
of bankruptcies due to
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649#_ednref1
Fact No. 2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians
Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer
screening than Canadians.
Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than
comparable Canadians.
Fact No. 6:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Samsammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Fact No. 4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer
screening than Canadians.
Fact #4 is funny to me because they are basing better access to
preventative cancer screening on the number of routine mammograms and
PSA
Judah wrote:
One of the prime movers behind the idea of outcome-based medicine,
which tries to emphasize using medical approaches that have been
scientifically proven to be worthwhile, is the huge number of
mammograms and PSA tests that are not clinically indicated.
Or statin drugs which
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Gruss Gottgrussg...@gmail.com wrote:
But now that we've forked this thread I think it's important to stratify:
* System broken, do something: just about everyone on the list
* System not broken, do nothing: Sam?
The system can use some help, but don't throw
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Samsammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
I remember last time the Clinton's tried to change health care, all
the insurance companies started doing the HMO shuffle and coverage got
worse.
Since that health care reform effort was defeated, wouldn't that
imply, by your
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