Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-10 Thread Michael Dinowitz
on the card - Original Message - From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) Yeah, I remember being a half-elf chaotic evil

Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-10 Thread BethF in AK
, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) That would be Judith. I've got no problem writing God as it's not a divine name in any respect. And anyway, I'd use something a lot different than a tarot card. A puzzle, a poem, an historical taunt

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2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Maybe, Beth, but I wouldn't want him to profit from it, especially if I thought that money was going to aid or abet pedophiles. I guess I'd go read this book in the library but I wouldn't buy it. Agreed

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2002-10-10 Thread Mark Smyth
]] Sent: 10 October 2002 11:13 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Has anybody actually read this book? Only surely if not none of us are in a position to judge it. I learnt a long time ago to form my own opinions about things.. w -Original Message- From

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2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
to try and understand how such a thing could happen. w -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 11:50 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com but if we know the book is about a man who advocates intimate relationships

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2002-10-10 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Mark Smyth wrote: but if we know the book is about a man who advocates intimate relationships with young boys Do we know that? why do we really need to read it to form an opinion? Since when is lack of knowledge a reason not to have an opinion about something? What ever arguments he

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
murder is murder w -Original Message- From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 23:48 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com How about murdering a pedophile? At 05:22 PM 10/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: Which is worse? Pedophilia or murder

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2002-10-10 Thread Mark Smyth
-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Mark Smyth wrote: but if we know the book is about a man who advocates intimate relationships with young boys Do we know that? why do we really need to read it to form an opinion? Since when is lack of knowledge a reason not to have

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-10 Thread Mark Smyth
stop -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 12:18 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com murder is murder w -Original Message- From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 23:48 To: CF

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2002-10-10 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Mark Smyth wrote: fact is, some people deserve to be murdered Some people deserve to be killed. Nobody deserves to be murdered. Jochem __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more

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2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
a chance of preventing paedophiles from being created. w -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 12:19 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com What ever arguments he gives in the book, how can he justify what he preaches

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2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
2002 12:33 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Mark Smyth wrote: fact is, some people deserve to be murdered Some people deserve to be killed. Nobody deserves to be murdered. Jochem __ This list and all

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2002-10-10 Thread Mark Smyth
surely in this instance it depends on whether the law protects the young? -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 12:33 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Mark Smyth wrote: fact is, some people deserve

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2002-10-10 Thread Mark Smyth
fair enough, but theres also the risk of it working the other way, with it negatively influencing peoples behaviour -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 12:35 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I would agree

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2002-10-10 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Mark Smyth wrote: surely in this instance it depends on whether the law protects the young? I am not sure I understand your point. Could you elaborate? Jochem __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these

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2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com fair enough, but theres also the risk of it working the other way, with it negatively influencing peoples behaviour -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 12:35 To: CF-Community Subject: RE

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2002-10-10 Thread Mark Smyth
2002 12:40 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Mark Smyth wrote: surely in this instance it depends on whether the law protects the young? I am not sure I understand your point. Could you elaborate? Jochem

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 12:32 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com surely in this instance it depends on whether the law protects the young? -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-10 Thread Paul Ihrig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) I've played American army and try as I may, I can't get into sniper school. And from my record of being killed regularly in the game, I'll never have military

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-10 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Mark Smyth wrote: you said some people deserve to be killed, not murdered. I took your meaning to be that the killing had to be done within the law, so it wasn't murder That is correct. If that is so i partially agree, but only if the laws in place protect the child at risk. If the

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-10 Thread Kevin Schmidt
PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:47 AM Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com the problem with this is that most cases of paedophilia occur within the family. Predatory paedophiles, the sort that we hear about in the news all too often

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2002-10-10 Thread Larry Lyons
: Will Swain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:47 AM Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com the problem with this is that most cases of paedophilia occur within the family. Predatory paedophiles, the sort that we hear about

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-10 Thread Will Swain
-Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 October 2002 13:38 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Let's sue the guy to give up all the profits of the book for this cause :) I mean hey if I can sue McDonalds cause I ate a quarter pounder

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2002-10-10 Thread Kevin Schmidt
if that were the case. But pictures and books and groups like NAMBLA I think cross the line and should be stopped. - Original Message - From: Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Yes

Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
Hey guys, I saw this story on Oreilly fox news. Apparently they are selling books buy this group or individual that is about homosexual love with little boys. Here's quote.. The book says that men who sexually pursue young boys are not bad people, but, loving human beings. Amazon says that it

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Kevin Schmidt
09, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Hey guys, I saw this story on Oreilly fox news. Apparently they are selling books buy this group or individual that is about homosexual love with little boys. Here's quote.. The book says that men who sexually pursue young boys

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Deanna Schneider
This is ridiculous. They're saying that because Amazon links to the publisher's site, which in turn links to (purportedly) pornagraphic images of men and boys, that Amazon is legally liable? Then, I guess google.com is legally liable, too, as I can certainly find pornography there. Whatever.

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
? What if I wanted to learn about pedophiles? Wouldn't a book written by one who thinks its jusitified be worthy of reading? - Original Message - From: Phoeun Pha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: Pedophiliac book

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Stephenie Hamilton
already had the predispensation to do it in the first place. ~~ Stephenie |-Original Message- |From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:01 PM |To: CF-Community |Subject: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com | | |Hey guys, I saw this story

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
But what about AMazon, the company who is selling the books and making profit off of it?? -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:37 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I think the author

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
No Deanna, the thing is that they are selling that BOOK! Also, read the customer reviews. Lots of em pedophiles. lol -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:42 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Jacob
Kevin said, I think the author of the book should be drug out into the street and shot. Being drug out into the street and shot is not the answer to this problem ... He should be drug into the street, lit on fire, stoned, forced to what a full season of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays and the St.

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2002-10-09 Thread Judith Dinowitz
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I saw this on some newsgroup and at first I was outraged. But then I realized sometimes you read books to learn about something - not because you agree with the content. For example, wouldn't a cop

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I saw this on some newsgroup and at first I was outraged. But then I realized sometimes you read books to learn about something - not because you agree with the content. For example, wouldn't a cop

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Wayne Putterill
could get it from Amazon of course ;) -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 October 2002 17:59 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I saw this on some newsgroup and at first I was outraged. But then I realized sometimes you

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
make me feel uneasy! -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I saw this on some newsgroup and at first I was outraged. But then I realized sometimes you read books

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
Maybe, Beth, but I wouldn't want him to profit from it, especially if I thought that money was going to aid or abet pedophiles. I guess I'd go read this book in the library but I wouldn't buy it. Agreed. __ This list and all

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2002-10-09 Thread Deanna Schneider
So what, Phoeun. Who cares if Amazon is selling the book. That's exactly what I'm saying. Who cares if the people buying it are pedophiles. Yes, pedophilia is against the law. A book on the topic is not against the law. Yes, the behavior (pedophilia) is considered repugnant in our society.

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2002-10-09 Thread Cantrell, Adam
the author into the street and shoot him. Adam. -Original Message- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:37 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Beth, I agree. But what if the book tell other pedophiles

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2002-10-09 Thread Cantrell, Adam
PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Also, how about books on How To Rape Women and Not Get Caught...Cheating Your Spouse 101 (there is a book like that, in fact), How to Beat Your Wife into Submission, Terrorist

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Beth F
-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Also, how about books on How To Rape Women and Not Get Caught...Cheating Your Spouse 101 (there is a book like that, in fact), How to Beat Your Wife into Submission, Terrorist

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2002-10-09 Thread Marlon Moyer
a point. See Beth, as much as I agree with you on Freedom of speech, these possible book subjects make me feel uneasy! -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Howie Hamlin
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:59 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com I saw this on some newsgroup and at first I was outraged. But then I realized sometimes you read books to learn about something - not because you agree with the content

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2002-10-09 Thread Deanna Schneider
Jerry, I'm not saying you have no say in it. I think refusing to purchase books from them is EXACTLY the kind of say you should have. The point is - selling the book isn't illegal. You're entitled to feel it's wrong. But your moral stance has nothing to do with my rights. -d Deanna Schneider

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2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
Beth, I guess it's hard to draw the line then. -Original Message- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:04 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com It makes me uneasy as well. Criminal activity should be prevented

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2002-10-09 Thread Maureen
At 01:46 PM 10/9/02, Phoeun Pha wrote: Sorry for being a little rough, but I was trying to make a point. See Beth, as much as I agree with you on Freedom of speech, these possible book subjects make me feel uneasy! The most obscene act is censorship.

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2002-10-09 Thread William Wheatley
the car thief for a good long time. Happy Hunting - Original Message - From: Beth F [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com It makes me uneasy as well. Criminal activity should

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Dan Haley
telling others how to do it? -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:35 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com So what, Phoeun. Who cares if Amazon is selling the book. That's exactly what I'm

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Stephenie Hamilton
So we read a news storyon foxnews.com ~~ Stephenie |-Original Message- |From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:42 PM |To: CF-Community |Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com | | |For everyone that's clicked on that link

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2002-10-09 Thread Jacob
PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Beth, I agree. But what if the book tell other pedophiles how to approach little boys. A Pedophile's guide to Kids 101, if you will. Man, doesn't that make u

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Phoeun Pha
it was done, thereby telling others how to do it? -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:35 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com So what, Phoeun. Who cares if Amazon is selling the book. That's

Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread Kevin Graeme
Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Also, how about books on How To Rape Women and Not Get Caught...Cheating Your Spouse 101 (there is a book like that, in fact), How to Beat Your Wife into Submission, Terrorist Guide: How To Sneak Bombs Pass Security and Blow Up Very Large Buildings

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread jon hall
Which is worse? Pedophilia or murder? -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 1:20:26 PM, you wrote: J Kevin said, I think the author of the book should be drug out into the J street and shot. Being drug out into the street and shot is not the J answer to this problem

Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
12:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Also, how about books on How To Rape Women and Not Get Caught...Cheating Your Spouse 101 (there is a book like that, in fact), How to Beat Your Wife into Submission, Terrorist Guide: How To Sneak Bombs Pass

RE: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread Lon Lentz
-Community Subject: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) Just saw on the USA Today site this description of the D.C. area sniper: 'Robert Ressler, a retired FBI profiler, says the card could be a prank. But if the sniper left the card, Ressler said, it could indicate

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Jacob
How about murdering a pedophile? At 05:22 PM 10/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: Which is worse? Pedophilia or murder? -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 1:20:26 PM, you wrote: J Kevin said, I think the author of the book should be drug out into the J street and shot.

RE: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread Kevin Graeme
PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:50 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) I've played American army and try as I may, I can't get into sniper school. And from my record of being killed regularly in the game, I'll never

RE: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread Kevin Graeme
Retired FBI profiler. ;-) Kevin Graeme -Original Message- From: Lon Lentz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:54 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) ...If he's into tarot cards, he's

RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Kevin Graeme
, 2002 11:01 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com Hey guys, I saw this story on Oreilly fox news. Apparently they are selling books buy this group or individual that is about homosexual love with little boys. Here's quote.. The book says that men who sexually pursue

Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread Michael Dinowitz
: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:50 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) I've played American army and try as I may, I can't get into sniper school. And from my record of being killed regularly in the game, I'll never have

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Jon Hall
Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I the term pedophilia is a broad term...just looked it up on dictionary.com, covering both act and fantasy. Rape wasn't listed as a synonym in either case though, in which case an eye for an eye approach sounds fine to me. Since the term covers fantasy though we

Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread Marlon Moyer
To: CF-Community Subject: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) Just saw on the USA Today site this description of the D.C. area sniper: 'Robert Ressler, a retired FBI profiler, says the card could be a prank. But if the sniper left the card, Ressler said, it could

Re: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com

2002-10-09 Thread Marlon Moyer
Jon Hall wrote: I only skimmed the article, but the author sounds like on of those NAMBLA idiots. As disgusting as they are, I'd rather the way these people think be understood, because killing them all isn't going to stop it, and would only drive them underground. For god sakes, when is the

Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com)

2002-10-09 Thread BethF in AK
if it was mike d he would have written i am g-d on the card - Original Message - From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Is Michael D the sniper?!? (was RE: Pedophiliac book on Amazon.com) Yeah, I