> < sigh>
>
> 0_0
aye
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I think kwang is overlooking the wired = cool factor but I can see
plenty of kids pressuring their parents to buy the Phantoms. They manage to
pressure them into getting cell phones on huge numbers...
Patrick
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From: Andrew Scott
Why don't you just say that you won't
Well Phil, I think Kwang does have a good point about broadband not being
universal. And i think you have a good point about that not meaning that the
Phantom model won't be adopted widely. Perhaps this whole argument just
highlights the gap between the haves and the have-nots?
Patrick
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> Man, and you give me so much fodder from your responses on CF-Talk.
You mean when I actually HELP people? Yah, I can see how that would be
fodder - I mean, actually assisting people with their problems must be
unusual
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: Friday, 23 January 2004 1:32 PM
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Oh and hey:
USB2.0 has a max bandwidth of 480Mb/s. That's a max 100Mb/s ethernet port
on the phantom.
But you knew that, right?
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> Do you have one?
A dictionary? Why yes, I do
I'm giving up as you CLEARLY see yourself as right on everything, and
won't see other people's point of view
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You: The PS2 has sold far more than the Xbox.
Me: It has differed in each country, in Australia the market share is as
follows. Xbox 44%, PS2 51% and Gamecube 5%. Source of this information i
No he's not actually.
Just VERY passionate about his games and the gaming industry.
A LOT of our friends are also in the industry either creating games,
testing games, selling games, managing game stores, or running game
websites.
When we still lived in Croydon, he was the stores second best custo
Oh and hey:
USB2.0 has a max bandwidth of 480Mb/s. That's a max 100Mb/s ethernet port
on the phantom.
But you knew that, right?
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From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 22, 2004 5:58 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game
I'm just being a sh!t disturber :)
Say, is Phil always like this?
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From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 22, 2004 6:00 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
< sigh>
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You: The PS2 has sold far more than the Xbox.
Me: It has differed in each country, in Australia the market share is as
follows. Xbox 44%, PS2 51% and Gamecube 5%. Source of this information is
reliable and in print. Not bad for a console that has only been out in this
country for just under 2 years
Thanks for the personal insult.
Man, and you give me so much fodder from your responses on CF-Talk.
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From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 22, 2004 5:58 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> The biggest HD you
Ok, then, if the Xbox is popular, I suppose that the PS2 is super hyper
massively, incredibly, popular.
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From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 22, 2004 5:44 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> Th
Do you have one?
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Sent: January 22, 2004 5:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> What points have I been proved wrong on?
>
> Let's see:
>
> Fact: The P
< sigh>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 11:05 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> > > > Yes, but PCs are completely upgradable.
> >
> > Ok, fine, some PCs ar
> The biggest HD you're supposed to be able to get is 320GB.
> Dude, it'll take like 12 hours to transfer that over USB!
Something I forgot to add before hitting Send
Ever though that they might use that other little socket on the back of
the machine? You know, the NETWORK PORT?
Wow, imagine t
> The biggest HD you're supposed to be able to get is 320GB.
> Dude, it'll take like 12 hours to transfer that over USB!
So, you're going to transfer your WHOLE HARD DISK to someone else?
Don't tell me, somebody asks you for a Word document and you send them a
backup of your entire machine on D
> What points have I been proved wrong on?
>
> Let's see:
>
> Fact: The Phantom as yet is not available to the general public.
> Fact: The Phantom is going to use PC technology to play PC
> games. PC game minimum system requirements change all the
> time. Thus, as time progresses, the Phantom
> There nothing else to discuss. The PS2 has sold far, far
> more than the XBox. What else is there?
Well, you said it wasn't popular
By that statement (and I've used this before)
Ford outsells Dodge
Therefore Dodge isn't popular, right?
That's your argument!
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> The graphics card in that is only a GForce 3, compared to the
> graphics cards
> that are in the PC's. Yet it is still bringing in the developers
> to develop
> for.
Don't you that that's a tad inconvenient, not to mention unreliable?
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From: Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:06 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> *sigh*
>
> So *what*!!???
> What's yo
> The graphics card in that is only a GForce 3, compared to the
> graphics cards
> that are in the PC's. Yet it is still bringing in the developers
> to develop
> for.
Of course it does. That's because it's a console. There's a user base out there that a developer can develop for. That's the
> > > > Yes, but PCs are completely upgradable.
> >
> > Ok, fine, some PCs are completely upgradable.
>
> I've left both of your quotes there - your sweeping statements are the
> ones which blow holes in your statements!
Huh?
>
> Like saying the Xbox isn't popular when it's not AS popular as t
*sigh*
So *what*!!???
What's your point!?
That if you buy a new computer it's going to take you a while to
transfer the files from the old one to the new one!?
THat if you buy a fully loaded Phantom it's going to take a while to
transfer your old settings to the new machine!??
What's your po
ksuh,
Everything will become obsolete in time, the Xbox was obsolete the day it
hit the shelves.
The graphics card in that is only a GForce 3, compared to the graphics cards
that are in the PC's. Yet it is still bringing in the developers to develop
for.
Consoles have a life span of around
The biggest HD you're supposed to be able to get is 320GB. Dude, it'll take like 12 hours to transfer that over USB!
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From: Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:39 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> Y
> > > Yes, but PCs are completely upgradable.
>
> Ok, fine, some PCs are completely upgradable.
I've left both of your quotes there - your sweeping statements are the
ones which blow holes in your statements!
Like saying the Xbox isn't popular when it's not AS popular as the PS2 -
you dumped tha
You're arguments are becoming ever more fatuous.
It is hardly likely that you would ever have 320GB of game files on a
machine that ships with between an 80GB and 120GB hard disk.
On the chance that you buy a new phantom after about two years, then the
time to transfer data would be quite acceptab
Oh good. I can't wait to transfer 320GB of game files via USB2.0.
- Original Message -
From: Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 pm
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
> Actually, they state that you can buy new upgraded Phantoms if you
Actually, they state that you can buy new upgraded Phantoms if you like.
And then transfer all your purchased content to those new units.
You need a top of the line processor to play the latest games.
-Gel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok, fi
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From: Philip Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:39 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> > Yes, but PCs are completely upgradable.
>
> Really? Even the $400 ones which are being pushed now with a built-
> Yes, but PCs are completely upgradable.
Really? Even the $400 ones which are being pushed now with a built-in
graphics card and small foot-print that can't have a replacement
graphics card or motherboard?
How about making a SWEEPING statement
> It's pretty easy to buy a very good PC that play
> The machine WILL run the current games and won't be completely out-
> datedfor at least a couple of years... Surprisingly most PCs only
> last for
> (wait for it) a couple of years before they're outdated!
Yes, but PCs are completely upgradable.
>
> So, what you are trying to tell people who
> So what's your solution?
1) Think of it as a console which runs the THOUSANDS of available PC
games that run on Windows XP
2) Move on from games over 7 years old!!!
The machine WILL run the current games and won't be completely out-dated
for at least a couple of years... Surprisingly most PCs
> Games won't run as the hardware will be out-dated soon by new games
Yes
>
> Really old games won't run as it's new technolgy
Not new, but incompatible.
>
>
> So, what you're moaning about is that the technology is too new, but
> will become old, right?
So what's your solution?
[Todays Th
> > You claim that the Phantom will be obsolete as software
> > moves on, yet you refer to games which are 5-10 years old
>
> Two different issues, eh?
Not really
Here's what you're complaining about:
Games won't run as the hardware will be out-dated soon by new games
Really old games won't r
2 Way satellite has a lot of problems anyways. I would stay with 128K ISDN.
Or 256K if you can get it for business use.
Was just curious... thanks!
Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart
Broadband is here available through our terrible national, monopolistic,
ISP.
It is slow. 12
> You claim that the Phantom will be obsolete as software moves on, yet
> you refer to games which are 5-10 years old
Two different issues, eh?
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> > Most PCs can't run all PC games due to software/hardware
> > incompatibilities, so it's highly unlikely the Phantom will either.
>
> But since it's got a nVidia controller, surely it'll run a fair number
Lots of games do not run, or do not run properly under Windows XP.
Here's a game that h
> Not all games run on Windows XP. Lots of DOS games just
> don't work anymore. I have Street Fighter Alpha, and I have
> never been able to get it to run in Windows XP. Older games
> that depended on hardware timing will have to remodified
> accordingly.
Ooooh, DOS games
You claim that the
Then I'd hardly call that "all PC games".
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From: Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:01 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> Who cares about the older games??
> 0_0
>
> They're basically t
> Most PCs can't run all PC games due to software/hardware
> incompatibilities, so it's highly unlikely the Phantom will either.
But since it's got a nVidia controller, surely it'll run a fair number
Obviously your crystal ball is telling you the future and that the
Phantom won't be around long
Who cares about the older games??
0_0
They're basically talking about games that run on Windows XP of course.
-Gel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not all games run on Windows XP. Lots of DOS games just don't work
anymore. I have Street Fighte
ewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:42 pm
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
> The Phantom is supposed to run all PC Games.
>
> It's based on Windows XP.
>
> THere was a time when everyone though the Phantom was just a bunch of
> hot air, i
The Phantom is supposed to run all PC Games.
It's based on Windows XP.
THere was a time when everyone though the Phantom was just a bunch of
hot air, including me.
I thought it was a hoax. But it seems that myself and many others were
quite wrong and that it is a legitimate product.
Asid
Whoops, first response should be:
Most PCs can't run all PC games due to software/hardware incompatibilities, so it's highly unlikely the Phantom will either.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: RE: Phantom Game
Here's an interesting article about Infinium:
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTEy
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From: Philip Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:51 am
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
> > How do you think the Phantom will fa
Speaking of games. Check this out!
http://www.easybuy2000.com/store/nintendo%20accessories/x-rom512.shtml
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> IF it runs all PC games, the it's a cheapish solution, especially
> sinceit runs to a TV - a lot
> IF it runs all PC games, the it's a cheapish solution, especially
> sinceit runs to a TV - a lot of people don't like running games on
> their PC
> compared to consoles as they have to use the "tiny" monitor, in
> comparison to their TV - it's a "shared experience" thing
>
> Now, if it does ru
> How do you think the Phantom will fare, assuming they come
> out with a viable product?
It all depends on what it runs
IF it runs all PC games, the it's a cheapish solution, especially since
it runs to a TV - a lot of people don't like running games on their PC
compared to consoles as they hav
How do you think the Phantom will fare, assuming they come out with a viable
product?
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From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 22, 2004 6:40 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
> What the heck are you talking about? I&#x
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From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 22, 2004 6:40 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
> What the heck are you talking about? I'm not saying the
> games won't work, I'm saying that the games won't look as
>
t: RE: Phantom Game info link
That's not what the Phantom is about.
The phantom article emphatically states you would own the content and be
able to transfer the content you bought at will to another Phantom
machine whenever you want. This includes all the games, patches etc.
that you have bou
Broadband is here available through our terrible national, monopolistic,
ISP.
It is slow. 128K maximum for residential use, and it is not widely
available at all.
I have broadband here at our Trinidad office, but it is delivered
through an expensive satellite system, which is 1 Way.
We got screw
Angel, what's the expectation for broadband coming for Trinidad?
Is it likely to happen soon?
-Patrick
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That's not what the Phantom is about.
The phantom article emphatically states you would own the content and be
able to transfer the content you bought at will to another Phantom
machine whenever you want. This includes all the games, patches etc.
that you have bought.
THe only 'new' thing is
> What the heck are you talking about? I'm not saying the
> games won't work, I'm saying that the games won't look as
> good, and won't run as fast. And since developers may have
> no reason to make sure their games work as well as they could
> on the Phantom (remember, the PC platform is a m
Most people do not purchase XBoxes to run Linux on them. I don't think
they'd buy Phantoms to run Linux on them either.
>The back of this thing and the style of it, means it opens up more than
just
>a games console, you could watch TV throught it, even play music through it
>or with the right sof
> Do you just like arguing the fact that you wouldn't because the article
is the bible.
Oh, I see. You don't believe the article either. If you had bother to read
my earlier posts, I said I didn't agree with the article either, not that I
disagreed with online content in general.
Ah we
Which version of DirectX? How is my Geforce1 going to support pixel
shaders, even if it's compliant?
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From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 21, 2004 10:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
Not if it conforms to something
Regards
Andrew Scott
Technical Consultant
NuSphere Pty Ltd
Level 2/33 Bank Street
South Melbourne, Victoria, 3205
Phone: 03 9686 0485 - Fax: 03 9699 7976
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From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 3:41 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Phantom Game in
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 3:32 PM
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What the heck are you talking about? I'm not saying the games won't work,
I'm saying that the games won't look as good, and won't run as fast. And
since developers m
Technical Consultant
NuSphere Pty Ltd
Level 2/33 Bank Street
South Melbourne, Victoria, 3205
Phone: 03 9686 0485 - Fax: 03 9699 7976
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From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 3:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
uying something like that.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 21, 2004 7:23 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
Philip,
This guy talks only as if that is what he would do, and not what the general
public would actually
atform is a moving target),
Phantom owners could be left with a quickly obsoleting console.
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From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 21, 2004 6:51 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> As nVidia adds more features to
ter.
If everybody downloads games off the Internet, hey, no skin off my back.
It's just my OPINION that that'll never take off.
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From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 21, 2004 7:23 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info
Philip,
This guy talks only as if that is what he would do, and not what the general
public would actually do.
He proved that in a previous thread, the phantom looks like a very good all
round entertainment appliance that would be suitable for a range of things
and not just games. But I guess
> As nVidia adds more features to their newer cards and games
> take advantage of those features, the Phantom won't look and
> perform as well.
So, what you're saying is that as soon as the new nVidia card is out,
all developers stop working for it?
Since the spec is fairly current, it's the sa
> If Microsoft did take it over, then the project would be scrapped, as
> they have their own consoles
Yes.
> BTW, the Dreamcast was based on Windows CE, yet Microsoft didn't do
> anything about that, did they?
What does the OS have to do with it?
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> Well that would certainly make the potential of it being
> viable higher. OTOH, it sounds like they're making it a
> console then. I wonder if they would be a potential MS
> takeover target.
If Microsoft did take it over, then the project would be scrapped, as
they have their own consoles
> So, with you thinking that developers won't care about Phantom owners,
> lets look at the number of PC video cards which don't have many
> purchases compared to the ATi and NVidea ones...
>
> Yet, they still manage to write their code to work for those
Game developers code using an API (either
004 1:59 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> According to that article some developers are porting their games over
> to Phantom. That sounds like it is developed specifically for Phantom.
> These could be PS2 based games so it may need to be rewritten to
> sup
> Consoles are a different story, since the hardware is fixed,
> and developers create games tailored to that hardware.
>
> PC games are geared to a somewhat vague hardware spec that
> increases over time.
>
> I'm not sure if PC developers would care about Phantom owners
> when creating games,
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Consoles are a different story, since the hardware is fixed, and
developers create games tailored to that hardware.
PC games are geared to a somewhat vague hardware spec that
s the Phantom user base was quite large.
Since the Phantom is supposed to run PC games, this is probably going to become an issue over time.
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From: Philip Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:35 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> &
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Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: RE: Phantom Game info link
> > The Athlon XP 3200+ is the last XP proc being made.
> >
> > Newer graphics cards will be PCI Express. AGP is being phased out.
> >
> > DDR ram is being replaced
> The Athlon XP 3200+ is the last XP proc being made.
>
> Newer graphics cards will be PCI Express. AGP is being phased out.
>
> DDR ram is being replaced with DDR2 ram as well.
Damn, I might as well scrap all of my existing hardware
Gosh, imagine hardware getting out of date
You yourself arg
> The Athlon XP 3200+ is the last XP proc being made.
>
> Newer graphics cards will be PCI Express. AGP is being phased out.
>
> DDR ram is being replaced with DDR2 ram as well.
While DDR2 is indeed the proposed path, it appears that mobo manufacturers
are putting off its adoption due to high cos
ct: RE: Phantom Game info link
> Well, I guess the good thing about the Phantom is you could probably
> upgrade the CPU and memory, graphics may be a different story if it's
> using onboard video, which I would say it most likely is.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
esday, January 21, 2004 2:54 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
Bleh... Until I see them at EB for sale, I'm not holding my breath.
Besides, by next year, it'll be totally obsolete (it already sorta is;
Athlon XPs are end of life, and the new Geforce is coming out prett
Ok, I'll call it "one-off ware" :)
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From: Philip Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:50 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> > Over the years, there's been lots of products shown at CES
> &
using new technologies, that Phantom is going to look mighty bad after awhile.
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From: Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:34 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> Hmm...
>
> You have a point there. There was an arti
See, that's the problem with you British-type folks.
You can't even spell vaporware correctly.
=)
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/21/04 02:50PM >>>
> Over the years, there's been lots of products shown at CES
> and other trade shows, in physical form, with you to play
> with, that have
So viruses might still be an issue then. I wonder how they will handle
that.
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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
A version of windows XP embedded.
-Gel
A version of windows XP embedded.
-Gel
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From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's the OS behind this thing? Is it a proprietary OS or is it running
Windows or Linux?
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> Over the years, there's been lots of products shown at CES
> and other trade shows, in physical form, with you to play
> with, that have never made it to general customer
> distribution. It's par for the course.
But by definition;
Vapourware:
Vapourware is software that is not yet written.
What's the OS behind this thing? Is it a proprietary OS or is it running
Windows or Linux?
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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:34 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
Hmm...
You have a
Hmm...
You have a point there. There was an article online a few days ago that
pointed to items we were still waiting on from CES 2002.
But the point is really that the company is pushing forward with this
model, and they seem to have it figured out. It definitely shows
interest by hardware
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:22 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> > I'm saying that we'll first see if the Phantom is actually
> > available, and then we'll see if people actually bother to
> > purchase the games this way.
> >
> > It&
> I'm saying that we'll first see if the Phantom is actually
> available, and then we'll see if people actually bother to
> purchase the games this way.
>
> It's still vapourware to me :)
Since it's been shown at CES, what would it take to convince you that
it's far beyond vapourware and into p
January 21, 2004 11:58 am
Subject: RE: Phantom Game info link
> Wow.
>
> This is really interesting. I wonder what those that were calling the
> idea of subscription gaming services and delivery of games over
> broadband 'foolish' are saying now?
>
> " Infinium ch
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Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:40 PM
To: CF-Community
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