Progressive statist...you're so cute when you try and use words.
Back to belittling again. The last resort of the feeble argument.
I shall amend my initial statement to focus more on the thrust of the
general thesis and will apologize for any confusion that my words may have
created in your
No, Jerry, you see what you want to see. I'd ask you to go back and reread
but you don't care, so why bother?
You're right. Why bother? I was thinking of implementing a program named
No Progressive Left Behind. If this is how's it's going to be, I am
definitely going to have to drop that
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
And let us remember that Ronald Regan was a fucking jerk who did more to
harm this country than anyone in a long long time.
Judah, when an ordinary person says something is the worst in a long long
time, it is inviting
I think Romney would be a better leader than Obama, but then I also think
there's mostly lock-in to policy thus I don't think Romney would DO anything
different, he'd just market it different.
Plus there is policy room on social issues and any Republican is essentially
anti-personal liberty.
I dunno, I share the general apathy about Romney. Seems plastic. Stutters.
Doesn't seem to have policy ideas. Sounds 19.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
I think Romney would be a better leader than Obama, but then I also think
there's mostly lock-in to
Why do you think he would be a better leader? He did some decent
stuff when he was governor, and has disavowed all of it. I haven't
heard a single plan or discussion that leads me to believe he is
anything other than another puppet who had bent over to kiss the feet
of the right-wing in order
Or you could actually contribute something to the original discussion. Just
an idea.
Let's take a walk back in time (paraphrased)
Judah: Reagan sucks.
Jerry: Really, more so than Johnson.
Judah: Definitely. Johnson was great because of these reasons.
Jerry: Really? What about these
They also supplied very reasoned arguments as to why they thought
Reagan sucked. On the other hand, your sole arguments have been:
St. Reagan was great
You suck.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Or you could actually contribute something to the original
They weren't at all reasoned.
I was old enough to vote Carter out and see with my own eyes what was
going on. Not hate screed brainwashing by socialist parents under the
guise of a self thinking child genius.
Amazing what you call reasoned.
And I'm Troll, right.
.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at
Nope, wrong as usual Jerry. It went like this:
Vivec: The GOP didn't totally suck at one time, look at Regan
Judah: You are misremembering Regan. He totally sucked and here are a
bunch of things people conveniently forget.
Jerry: Regan wasn't the worst, LBJ totally sucked too
Judah: Uh, ok,
Nope, wrong as usual Jerry.
As usual huh?
Anyway, *as usual*, you missed the point or intentional ignored it. You
were saying Reagan was the worst President in a long time and I
was arguing that he was better than LBJ, which wasn't such a long time
before Reagan. Hell, we didn't even get into
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Nope, wrong as usual Jerry.
As usual huh?
Yes, as usual. I'm really quite clear in my communication most of the time.
Anyway, *as usual*, you missed the point or intentional ignored it. You
were saying Reagan was
Personally, I'd rate the Regan administration as way worse than the LBJ
administration. LBJ had some decent accomplishments: Civil Rights Act,
Medicare/Medicaid, Student Loan Program, FOIA. Regan had nothing equivalent.
So, you think the Great Society had a positive impact?
There is
Hard to tell here what's a quote. But just wanted to say -- Carter's
competence depends on your definition. He was not a big-picture guy, I
would agree. And ironically, it was detail that causes the hostage
rescue to fail. I am not sure what Carter could have done to prevent
that, though. A
As I stated, I think that a number of accomplishments during the LBJ
administration have had a lasting positive impact. I named several of
them, obviously pointing out that I think they had a lasting positive
impact. As for the Civil Rights Act, I agree that it was a
complicated situation and
Also remember at the same time Reagan's representatives were meeting
with the Iranians to get a deal through to not return the hostages
until after the election. The same people were responsible for selling
anti-air and ground to ground missiles to the Iranians, directly
against US law.
On Wed,
The deification of Reagan is a perfect example of the superiority of
Republican propaganda. They have really good PR folks, and their talk
radio contingent colors the entire political dialog red.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Also remember at
As for the rest of your blather, it is just that.'
Whatever. The numbers are there. You can (and will) ignore them.
You can lead a horse to water and such . . .
Maybe some other readers learned a few things.
J
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This civil rights program about which you have heard so much is a farce
and
No, it was just a blatant attempt to redirect the conversation away
from a topic that you'd like to avoid. So I call you on that bullshit.
If you'd like to start another discussion on your borrowed thesis
about the collapse of the African American nuclear family, that's
fine. This thread had
No, it was just a blatant attempt to redirect the conversation away from a
topic that you'd like to avoid. So I call you on that bullshit.
Speaking of blather.
Ho-hum.
J
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The individual who can do something that the world wants done will, in the
end, make his way regardless of his race. -
yeah. that's pretty much what I am talking about, although I didn't
tie it to Iran-Contra. I don't think it made Ollie North a hero,
myself.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Also remember at the same time Reagan's representatives were meeting
with
Or you could actually contribute something to the original discussion.
Just an idea.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it was just a blatant attempt to redirect the conversation away from a
topic that you'd like to avoid. So I call you on that
LOL...now that's funny Judah...
-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 4:24 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the GOP Used to be.
Or you could actually contribute something to the original discussion.
Just an idea
What if the truth would have torn America apart? And he would have gone
down as the President that did it.
It's easy to sit back and say go after the all powerful cartels that start
wars and throw money around like water...but when you and your own family
are in the firing line the
what kind of truth would that be exactly? It's hard to imagine
anything much worse than the human rights violations acknowledged in
Canada and South Africa, and are you actually saying that those
countries can handle it but the US cannot? I dunno... don't think I
agree.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at
Blaming the president for what is wrong with the country is like
blaming Ronald McDonald when you get a bad hamburger. He has no true
power, but is simply the figurehead, put there to give the people the
illusion that they have control over how they are governed. The
biggest difference between
well... in terms of formal power, if you can't blame the president,
you can't blame anyone. And I reject the idea that nobody is to blame.
I *do* think that Obama got handed the shitty end of the stick, and
that the Republican have demonstrated breath-taking bad faith in their
interactions with
And let us remember that Ronald Regan was a fucking jerk who did more to
harm this country than anyone in a long long time.
Wow.
You forget LBJ? Not a large amount of time since his last term and
Reagen's first.
Why not mention our current President.
You can throw Bush Jr in if you want.
J
I didn't forget the others. The thread was started with a Regan quote
and a notion that those were the good ole days. People have a thing
for the hagiography of Saint Ronnie. When that happens, I'll step in
to remind them of the historical truth instead of the Norman Rockwell
version. My
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.comwrote:
I didn't forget the others. The thread was started with a Regan quote
and a notion that those were the good ole days. People have a thing
for the hagiography of Saint Ronnie. When that happens, I'll step in
to remind
Guess we had different childhoods. I was a kid back then as well and
was dirt poor because of a terrible recession and saw no help from
trickle down economics, scared of a nuclear holocaust because of his
saber rattling and disgusted with the mendacity of my government that
claimed to represent
I didn't forget the others.
I just saw the quantifier about a long time and thought maybe you forgot
that LBJ wasn't really a long time before Ronnie.
J
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Ronald Wilson Reagan was a believer. As a husband, a father, an
entertainer, a governor and a president, he recognized that each of us has
Personally, I'd rate the Regan administration as way worse than the
LBJ administration. LBJ had some decent accomplishments: Civil Rights
Act, Medicare/Medicaid, Student Loan Program, FOIA. Regan had nothing
equivalent. Obviously you have to balance those out against Vietnam
and the debacle
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.comwrote:
Guess we had different childhoods.
Apparently so.
I was a kid back then as well and
was dirt poor because of a terrible recession and saw no help from
trickle down economics,
We were comfortably middle class.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
scared of a nuclear holocaust because of his
saber rattling and disgusted with the mendacity of my government that
claimed to represent the greatest nation on earth.
Oh? This is you at 4 years old huh? wow. Yes, we
, February 21, 2012 12:06 PM
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how much of an asshat he really was. His successor wasn't any better...and
we all know how far the rotten apple fell from the Bush family tree.
-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:35 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the GOP
And let us remember that Ronald Regan was a fucking jerk who did more
to harm this country than anyone in a long long time. And, yes, he
still seems like a totally reasonable nominee for sainthood compared
to the current crop.
Judah
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com
He harmed this country?
I'd love to hear that rant.
BTW, lets notforget, it was republicans that freed the slaves, and
republicans that pushed through civil rights.
Democrats didn't become progressive until much later.
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
So what went wrong? lol :-)
On 20 February 2012 20:11, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
BTW, lets notforget, it was republicans that freed the slaves, and
republicans that pushed through civil rights.
Democrats didn't become progressive until much later.
Suffice to say that today's Republicans look nothing like the
Republicans of the 1860s and today's Democrats look little like the
Democrats of the 1930s and 1940s. Times have changed indeed.
As for Regan, let's start with a quick, off the top of my head summary:
Trickle-down economics
LOL...I think you need to go back to your history books brother and re-read
the chapters on the 60's and 70's...and then the 80's
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:11 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: What the GOP Used
While I don't totally disagree with you, I also don't think any of those things
were obviously wrong.
It seems to me that Reagan was a decent moral guy, far from perfect, who tried
to do the right thing. We couldn't ask much more out of a President.
I don't like much that Obama has done (or
I think Regan was a train wreck and was senile during his second term
and abdicated rule of the country to a cadre of unelected and
unaccountable party operatives who damn near wrecked the country and
caused untold misery that we will keep paying for for generations.
As for him being a good guy,
his lack of response to acid rain (and then blaming it on ducks) comes to
mind.
On Monday, February 20, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote:
Suffice to say that today's Republicans look nothing like the
Republicans of the 1860s and today's Democrats look little like the
Democrats of the 1930s and
also when he was the president of the sceen acors guild he was feeding
information to the FBI and the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Funny enough aside from the one party member, many of the others who were
implicated by the Great Communicator were either political rivals or very
I think Obama's problem is that for too long he was looking for middle
ground, versus people who were determined not to cooperate with him in
any area no matter what that refusal cost. He'd make unilateral
concessions and then have no way to withdraw them when they weren't
reciprocated.
Oh and
You know what I'll never be able to forgive Obama for? A bunch of
things, but first and foremost is the fact that he flat out refused to
investigate and prosecute the crimes of his predecessor. Healing
wounds, looking to the future and shit like that. Fuck that. The
bastards who aren't in prison
I think that the Truth and Reconciliation process has shown that it is
useful in other countries. Canada and South Africa come to mind, but
perhaps others as well. But Obama is getting tagged with the
consequences so I think he will pay the price for that regardless. I
am upset about Guantanamo,
On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
You know what I'll never be able to forgive Obama for? A bunch of
things, but first and foremost is the fact that he flat out refused to
investigate and prosecute the crimes of his predecessor. Healing
wounds, looking to
I'd like to think you are right, but I don't think you are. I think he
looked for the least bad way out, and that was winning. And even at
that, it was more a matter of declaring victory, it seems. I think it
is good to have an open mind, and try to keep one myself, but it still
boils down to
but here's the thing. What's the alternative? Mr I am going to win
because I have the most money? Gringrich? I remember when he had
power before, and how he lost it. Santorum froths at the mouth when he
talks about women's health care. Paul looks plausible until you really
give him a good look.
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