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ubject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... More news on the Zimmerman front. GMA Shows Exclusive Images Of George Zimmerman's Head Injuries From Night Of Trayvon's Death: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gma-shows-exclusive-images-of-george-zimmermans-h ead-injuries-the-night-of-tra

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http://fsblog.s3.amazonaws.com/zimmerman.mp4 On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > More news on the Zimmerman front. > > GMA Shows Exclusive Images Of George Zimmerman’s Head Injuries From Night > Of Trayvon’s Death: > > http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gma-shows-exclusive-images-

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More news on the Zimmerman front. GMA Shows Exclusive Images Of George Zimmerman’s Head Injuries From Night Of Trayvon’s Death: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gma-shows-exclusive-images-of-george-zimmermans-head-injuries-the-night-of-trayvons-death/ This is an earlier mediaite story. New Police Vi

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Isn't that more of a Scottish joke mocking the Irish? . On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Sounds like some of jokes my Northern Irish relatives tell. > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> that's a separate and different cultural divide. My dad was born

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ayup. It's kind of old of course, but he used to tell that one a lot. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Sounds like some of jokes my Northern Irish relatives tell. > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> that's a separate and different cultural divide. M

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Sounds like some of jokes my Northern Irish relatives tell. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Dana wrote: > > that's a separate and different cultural divide. My dad was born in > Scotland to an Irish family. For example: > > Two young Belfast toughs drag a Buddhist monk into an alley. They > dem

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rote: > >> But think of the ramifications if there was a concerted effort to write in >> Mickey Mouse*grin* >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:03 PM >> To: cf-communi

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that's a separate and different cultural divide. My dad was born in Scotland to an Irish family. For example: Two young Belfast toughs drag a Buddhist monk into an alley. They demand to know if he is Catholic or Protestant. He tells them he is Buddhist. "Yes, yes" says the one with the knife, "bu

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--Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:03 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... > > > To me writing someone in is the equivalent of throwing my vote a

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doesn't t help that they're all in jouall no? On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Dana wrote: > > Ha. Sometimes wisdom lies in NOT telling jokes. Besides I learn the > ones I know from my dad, and americans find them confusing. > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, GMoney wrote: >> >> So give us a

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Ha. Sometimes wisdom lies in NOT telling jokes. Besides I learn the ones I know from my dad, and americans find them confusing. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM, GMoney wrote: > > So give us a better one! > > (We should have a joke contest) > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dana wrote: > >>

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So give us a better one! (We should have a joke contest) On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dana wrote: > > they both were pretty much groaners. > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM, William Bowen > wrote: > > > > yeah... no. No, it really wasn't. > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Sam

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they both were pretty much groaners. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > yeah... no. No, it really wasn't. > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> It was funnier than that lawyer joke >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM, William Bowen >> wrote: >>

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tough crowd . On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > yeah... no. No, it really wasn't. > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> It was funnier than that lawyer joke >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM, William Bowen >> wrote: >>> >>> Don't quit your d

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yeah... no. No, it really wasn't. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Sam wrote: > > It was funnier than that lawyer joke > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM, William Bowen > wrote: >> >> Don't quit your day job. That stand-up comedy thing isn't going to work out. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 18,

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Disagree. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Sam wrote: > > It was funnier than that lawyer joke > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM, William Bowen > wrote: > > > > Don't quit your day job. That stand-up comedy thing isn't going to work > out. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM

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It was funnier than that lawyer joke On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > Don't quit your day job. That stand-up comedy thing isn't going to work out. > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> He wasn't specific implying any mayor's job would be harder th

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Don't quit your day job. That stand-up comedy thing isn't going to work out. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Sam wrote: > > He wasn't specific implying any mayor's job would be harder than a > senators. Poor overworked cat. > > . > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:22 PM, William Bowen > wrote:

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He wasn't specific implying any mayor's job would be harder than a senators. Poor overworked cat. . On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 2:22 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > Huh, here I was speaking specifically of Guffey Colorado's post of > Mayor; but sure, feel free to use my comment as a springboard to get

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Huh, here I was speaking specifically of Guffey Colorado's post of Mayor; but sure, feel free to use my comment as a springboard to get a dig in. Glad I could help. :-) On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Sam wrote: > > Not according to our VP. > > “I never had an interest in being a mayor ‘caus

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Not according to our VP. “I never had an interest in being a mayor ‘cause that’s a real job. You have to produce. That’s why I was able to be a senator for 36 years.” . On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > ... and the post of Mayor is largely ceremonial.

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e was a concerted effort to write >> in >> > Mickey Mouse*grin* >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:03 PM >> > To: cf-community >&g

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>> > But think of the ramifications if there was a concerted effort to write >> in >> > Mickey Mouse*grin* >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:0

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"To me writing someone in is the equivalent of throwing my vote away." Really? Wonder if Lisa Murkowski agrees with you? I think pigeon holing yourself into selecting one of two pathetic candidates is throwing away a vote. "I do like this idea, however: http://www.americanselect.org/"; I a

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Was a squirrel VP? -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:53 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... I think a moose got elected in Canada once. Not kidding. Larry? On Tue, Apr 17, 2012

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* > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:03 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... > > > > > > To me writing someon

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ffort to write in > Mickey Mouse*grin* > > -Original Message- > From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:03 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... > > > To me writing someone in is the

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But think of the ramifications if there was a concerted effort to write in Mickey Mouse*grin* -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:03 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... To me wr

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Ron Paul, far in the lead. Good. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > > To me writing someone in is the equivalent of throwing my vote away. > > I do like this idea, however: http://www.americanselect.org/ > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:46 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > Write some

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To me writing someone in is the equivalent of throwing my vote away. I do like this idea, however: http://www.americanselect.org/ On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:46 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Write someone in. > > There are other people running that aren't getting media coverage.

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for what it is worth I have a somewhat favorable opinion of Gary Johnson. He was already out of office by the time I moved to New Mexico, so most of what I know is second-hand from old-family Hispanics who were somewhat bemused by him. However, a) he changed the laws on homeschooling to something

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ssage- >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:39 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... >> >> >> Whatever man, the aristocracy were the nobles, the ruling class. The

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t doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I > wouldn't > use anyone...there are still lots of limits to upward mobility in this > country. > > -Original Message- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:39 PM > To: cf-comm

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ommunity Subject: Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death... Whatever man, the aristocracy were the nobles, the ruling class. There isn't any such thing codified in law in the U.S. Anyone can rise to any station through their own merits. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012

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Write someone in. There are other people running that aren't getting media coverage. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Maureen wrote: > > My dad was a flaming radical. The last political he actively supported > before he died was Hilary Clinton. I've seen him go toe to toe with > people twice

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My dad was a flaming radical. The last political he actively supported before he died was Hilary Clinton. I've seen him go toe to toe with people twice his size over his opposition to the death penalty. Using your yardstick, that would make those position worthy of evaluation. I look at the web

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There is not a single candidate on the national scene who is not corrupt to the core. We need better candidates. Also the elimination of political parties, lobbyists and pacs of all types. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Ok, so whats the solution? > > I think Ron Paul or

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Amen to that...+infinity! I think that was the vision the founding fathers had as well...most of the were pretty nervous about having a standing army. Eric On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Well, I served in the infantry, where patriotism was still the primary > motivation

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Well, I served in the infantry, where patriotism was still the primary motivation, but I knew plenty of POGs that were there just for a paycheck or an education. That being said I think we need major reforms in our military structure. We have few external threats that can do anything to the U.S.,

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"On of the issues I have with the modem electorate is that they, in large part, do not have the education, temperament, or civic and patriotic spirit that I think is required to maintain the republic." Exactly. Though some people just can't see it. A good example of the electorate can be seen h

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Thing about the military is that now its serving much like the auto or oil industry used to serve - a way out of a poor rural existence for many in the ranks. For the officers, its either family, or genuine patiotism. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012

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You might find this David Brin blog posting interesting then. It would be interesting if you tried some of his wager suggestions with your father next time you two discuss politics. http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2012/04/take-wager-challengeand-help-push-back.html On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:09 PM,

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"And I repeat, even thought I am sure it is a waste of time, all of those candidates have supporters and contributors in your group of 'decent people'. " So what? Is it impossible for a decent person to contribute to a candidate? "If they did not they would not have won any primaries or elect

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So I guess the one that fits is: 2. a person of very good background, education, and refinement. Don't see how that should be a negative thing. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Patrician certain fits... > > pa·tri·cian /pəˈtrɪʃÉ

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Whatever man, the aristocracy were the nobles, the ruling class. There isn't any such thing codified in law in the U.S. Anyone can rise to any station through their own merits. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Patrician certain fits...

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Patrician is from the Latin, someone who in ancient Rome was afforded the rights and privileges of citizenship, chiefly being able to vote for and join the Senate. It was later used to refer to people of breeding and cultivation, the "landed gentry" if you will. Derivation: Middle English patric

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I don't see property as having as much relevance today, many people live in apartments or rent. I think a real property (cars, trucks, boats, land, bank value, stocks and the like) test, alongside mandatory military or civic service,should be the means by which you take part in the franchise to v

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Patrician certain fits... pa·tri·cian /pəˈtrɪʃən/ Show Spelled[p uh-trish-uhn] Show IPA noun 1. a person of noble or

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On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Now I certainly don't think that restricting people from voting on the > basis of race or gender makes sense, but I could see using other litmus > tests such as property ownership and military or civic service in order to > grant the franchise

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nobleman - patrician - noble? Miss that part? We have no aristocracy in America. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > They were very much the American aristocracy. They were rich white > guys...most of whom inheritied it. Some earned it

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They were very much the American aristocracy. They were rich white guys...most of whom inheritied it. Some earned it. Most inherited. Besides, what of your definition denies that they weren't? They were members of the American aristocracy...making them aristocrats. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:2

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*a·ris·to·crat*/əˈristəˌkrat/Noun: 1. A member of the aristocracy: "an aristocrat by birth". 2. Something believed to be the best of its kind: "the trout is the aristocrat of freshwater fish". Synonyms: nobleman - patrician - noble - peer So no, they weren't. On Tue, Apr 17,

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keeping in mind that with all the nobility of most of thier actions, these were all also artistocrats... On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:15 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Ok, so whats the solution? > > I think Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, and I'm sure you would disagree, right? > > Not that either of them w

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Ok, so whats the solution? I think Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, and I'm sure you would disagree, right? Not that either of them will likely be on my ballot, so I will likely write in a candidate. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I would a

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*"**A republic, madam, if you can keep it.**" - Ben Franklin On of the issues I have with the modem electorate is that they, in large part, do not have the education, temperament, or civic and patriotic spirit that I think is required to maintain the republic. * "Depend upon it, Sir, it is danger

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On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Maureen wrote: > > And I repeat, even thought I am sure it is a waste of time, all of > those candidates have supporters and contributors in your group of > "decent people". If they did not they would not have won any > primaries or election. Not everyone who

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I would agree with Maureen...if you are not part of the solution...you are part of the problem... On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Maureen wrote: > > And I repeat, even thought I am sure it is a waste of time, all of > those candidates have supporters and contributors in your group of > "dec

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And I repeat, even thought I am sure it is a waste of time, all of those candidates have supporters and contributors in your group of "decent people". If they did not they would not have won any primaries or election. Not everyone who vote for a candidate does so because they don't like the op

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"All of those megalomaniacs have supporters, contributors and voters from your pool of decent people." Maureen, I don't know how I can explain it any clearer. I'll try, even though I am pretty sure it'll be a waste of time. Let's take Rick Santorum. Many people voted for him because he was NOT

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"Nixon started the war on drugs, though Reagan did increase it's scope and size considerably." Nope. LBJ started it. In 1968, Lyndon B. Johnson decided that the government needed to make an effort to curtail the social unrest that blanketed the co

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All of those megalomaniacs have supporters, contributors and voters from your pool of decent people. Either the electorate has control of who is elected, or we are living in a fantasy land in which we the people are totally under the will of those who are really running the country, yet believe o

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"The leadership was elected by those 'decent people' so the electorate has to be willing to accept at least part of the blame. If they truly want what is best for the country and the people, they will stop voting for greedy megalomaniacs." Maureen, show me an election of significance (not a town

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The leadership was elected by those "decent people" so the electorate has to be willing to accept at least part of the blame. If they truly want what is best for the country and the people, they will stop voting for greedy megalomaniacs. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >

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"The well meaning liberal welfare state, the collapse of the family unit, the failure of our education system, and the war on drugs are all parts of the equation." Be careful with stuff like this. You'll be described as a sexist, bigot, nut job J - The assumption that spending more of the tax

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"Actually I've been having some very interesting conversations with some Republicans lately. Its made me realize that the party label is nothing. Its the ideology at fault." Is it snowing in Hell? Soon, maybe you'll even agree that it is the leadership of both parties that is completely at faul

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Did you forget I thoroughly debunked that? You never seem to learn. . On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > well not directly born republican or democratic,  but neuropsych > differences have been found between self identified conservatives and > liberals. For instance the

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How many do you want? http://www.cell.com/current-biology/retrieve/pii/S0960982211002892 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Search&term=Soc.%20Cogn.%20Affect.%20Neurosci.[ta]+AND+5[vol]+AND+349[page]&doptcmdl=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Pub

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There is an alternative, but most people are too comfortable in their lives to consider it. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson >wrote: > > > What we are doing isn't working. But none of the major proposals I have > >

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > What we are doing isn't working. But none of the major proposals I have > seen move me, and therefore I think don't appeal to others either. I don't think that this country is capable of "big change" in that regard. For the same reas

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Yep, I think we are all agreed here. The problem I have is that all of the arguments to date don't seem to work for me (much like Facebook, lol). I am still ambivalent on possible solutions. What we are doing isn't working. But none of the major proposals I have seen move me, and therefore I thi

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I have done sound at some benefits recently for organizations that purport to oppose the War of Drugs. I have rarely experienced such a total cluster-f@ck. Until the opposition gets organized with funding and some real leadership, the War on Drugs will go on, because those who support it are ext

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > "Caused by the war on drugs" is far, far, far different than "a HUGE > majority of the people incarcerated should not be." > > Violence and theft, regardless of the cause, is still violence and theft. I agree that each person should b

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Agreed, but if you want to lower those numbers, you need to treat the root causes. The well meaning liberal welfare state, the collapse of the family unit, the failure of our education system, and the war on drugs are all parts of the equation. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson

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"Caused by the war on drugs" is far, far, far different than "a HUGE majority of the people incarcerated should not be." Violence and theft, regardless of the cause, is still violence and theft. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jerr

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The national clearinghouse for these sorts of statistics is the Bureau of Justice Statistics. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm You probably want to look at Data Analysis Tools, By Crime Type. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=datp&tid=3 Cheers, Judah On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Je

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > Now THAT is exactly what I was hoping to see. > > That is awesome. Thanks. Lots of reading tonight. Unfortunately, that data is unlikely to indicate non-drug offense which were committed in connection to drugs in some way. Addicts ste

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > The statement that was made was: > > > a HUGE majority of the people incarcerated should not be. > > That is a pretty specific and damning statement. And I have seen it about > 30 times on various lists since this Zimmerman case got eve

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Now THAT is exactly what I was hoping to see. That is awesome. Thanks. Lots of reading tonight. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Maureen wrote: > > This report is from California prisons for the last year: > http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/News/docs/2011_Annual_Report_FINAL.pdf > > The breakdown by off

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This report is from California prisons for the last year: http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/News/docs/2011_Annual_Report_FINAL.pdf The breakdown by offense type begins on page 40. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > > I don't know that these numbers below don't seem to tell th

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The statement that was made was: > a HUGE majority of the people incarcerated should not be. That is a pretty specific and damning statement. And I have seen it about 30 times on various lists since this Zimmerman case got everyone talking about crime. Huge majority. that means way over 50% to

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Sources? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > well not directly born republican or democratic, but neuropsych > differences have been found between self identified conservatives and > liberals. For instance the part of the brain that mainly deals with > processing fear an

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Nixon started the war on drugs, though Reagan did increase it's scope and size considerably. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Maureen wrote: > > California is 17th among states. The US leads the world in > incarcerations mainly because of the length of the prison sentences. > Most of the inmat

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well not directly born republican or democratic, but neuropsych differences have been found between self identified conservatives and liberals. For instance the part of the brain that mainly deals with processing fear and anxiety related information tends to be larger among conservatives. In cont

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California is 17th among states. The US leads the world in incarcerations mainly because of the length of the prison sentences. Most of the inmates in are black males. The percentages have quadrupled since 1980 when Reagan took office and started the war on drugs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:45 PM, GMoney wrote: > People are born blackpeople are not born democrat or republican. > > I find that far less distasteful than blanket statements about people who > are solely a member of a group because of genetics. Sure, I can accept that there are shades in

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > Assigning fault I am fine with. My problem comes from political prejudice. > To me, it's just as distasteful to say "all black people are " as it is > to say "all republicans / democrats are ". > Hmmmi don't necessarily agr

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Dana wrote: > I have to say that "reich wing" makes me tune out as well. However, I think > you can go too far in the other direction, into a false equivalency where > everyone is at fault and nobody is responsible. Just saying. There must be > some middle ground

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I have to say that "reich wing" makes me tune out as well. However, I think you can go too far in the other direction, into a false equivalency where everyone is at fault and nobody is responsible. Just saying. There must be some middle ground between "those so and so's (did whatever)", countered

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Sam wrote: > In my defense I only call them moonbats or such after they become > belligerent. > "they" -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-C

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In my defense I only call them moonbats or such after they become belligerent. . On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > You guys (Cam and PT) are right in line with me. > > This goes just as much for the buzz words that Sam uses to describe the > democrats as well. > > Now to be

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You guys (Cam and PT) are right in line with me. This goes just as much for the buzz words that Sam uses to describe the democrats as well. Now to be honest I used to be the same way, but I have come to see that both of these parties, and their ideologies, are corrupt, money and power and more c

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Yup. Every time I see something like "Reich wing", my knee jerk reaction is to discount the entire post. Just sayin' On 4/16/2012 11:43 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > Generally speaking, as long as the conversation uses those party labels, > you've lost me. I tend to toss out any argument tha

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Actually I've been having some very interesting conversations with > some Republicans lately. Its made me realize that the party label is > nothing. Its the ideology at fault. > > Party labels shift over time (consider southern Democrats o

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Actually I've been having some very interesting conversations with some Republicans lately. Its made me realize that the party label is nothing. Its the ideology at fault. Party labels shift over time (consider southern Democrats of the 60's are the Republican stalwarts now), but the ideologies a

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > I am not blaming the party in this case, rather I'm blaming the > ideology. There is a difference. Bullshit. The word "Republican" shows up in 100% of your previous posts in this thread. I think everyone on this list has pretty clearly

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > I hear this on a daily basis. > > Do you have any actual numbers to back this up? > > Or does anyone have numbers about the percentage of incarceration for > non-violent drug crimes (hopefully broken down by type or class of drug)? I

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I hear this on a daily basis. Do you have any actual numbers to back this up? Or does anyone have numbers about the percentage of incarceration for non-violent drug crimes (hopefully broken down by type or class of drug)? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon,

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I am not blaming the party in this case, rather I'm blaming the ideology. There is a difference. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > >> California is hardly is Republican bastion and has one of the highest rates >> o

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > California is hardly is Republican bastion and has one of the highest rates > of incarceration. > > Your bias is showing. > > Let's debate on the merits of an idea and leave party politics out of it. > At this point both parties ate controlled

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individual cases not group trends. But also remember about California, it had a republican legislature and governor when many of those laws were passed. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > California is hardly is Republican bastion and has one of the highest rates > of incarcer

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