at 12:49 PM, Dan LeGate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I no longer see the free BlueDragon Server on New Atlanta's site. Did
> > Open BlueDragon basically replace it? Certainly seems like a different
> > beast.
> >
> >
>
>
mcat-apache_install-INCOMPLETE.pdf
Hope this helps!
Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
Open BlueDragon Steering Committee
Adobe Solution Provider
Dan LeGate wrote:
> I no longer see the free BlueDragon Server on New Atlanta's site. Did
> Open
What you mean with "Certainly seems like a different beast." ?
Kind Regards,
Nitai
On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Dan LeGate wrote:
> I no longer see the free BlueDragon Server on New Atlanta's site. Did
> Open BlueDragon basically replace it? Certainly seems like a
I would assume it did but I am concerned about the later comment. I read it
with a negative connotation and I am curious how is it a different beast?
Adam
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Dan LeGate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I no longer see the free BlueDragon Server on New Atlan
I no longer see the free BlueDragon Server on New Atlanta's site. Did
Open BlueDragon basically replace it? Certainly seems like a different
beast.
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--- Gert Franz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well generally you are right, but who allways writes variables.name or
> something like that.
I do. No unscoped variables in my code.
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At 04:01 AM 11/5/2004, you wrote:
>Subject: Bluedragon Server
>From: Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 02:46:38 -0600
>Thread:
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=36359&forumid=4#183454
>
>I'm no
mmer. If so, I suspect the New Atlanta folks will be able to
>implement them very quickly.
>
>At 08:02 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>>Subject: Bluedragon Server
>>From: Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: 04 Nov 2004 15:17:54 -0600
>>Thread:
>&
2004, you wrote:
>Subject: Bluedragon Server
>From: Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 04 Nov 2004 15:17:54 -0600
>Thread:
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=36359&forumid=4#183417
>
>I don't think that's entirely acc
cascading="standart"
> cascade-to-resultset="yes"
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>
>- Gert -
>
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Gesendet: Freitag,
Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Freitag, 5. November 2004 01:20
An: CF-Talk
Betreff: Re: Bluedragon Server
Intriguing. I was always under the impression that if you defined the
scope in the first place, the same kind of performance increase would
occur? Is that not what happens?
Intriguing. I was always under the impression that if you defined the
scope in the first place, the same kind of performance increase would
occur? Is that not what happens?
Thanks! Keep up the good work!
-Jordan
Gert Franz wrote:
>hi there,
>
>just take a look at the performance tests we di
-Talk
Betreff: Re: Bluedragon Server
Well, my speculation is based on what has been made public on MM's site
and at MAX, the the stated focus of Blackstone appears to be feature
set, I'd say that BD will be chasing CF7 much like they are over a year
behind CF6.1.
My commentary on the di
I didn't know cfimage was in Blackstone, I don't any specific feature that I'm
refering to, however how about the flash related stuff?
-Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti
Date: 11/4/04 1:30 pm
To: CF-Talk
Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server
Perhaps. As I'
I don't think that's entirely accurate. For example, isn't one of those differences is
lack of support for some features in cfcollection/cfsearch?
-Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti
Date: 11/4/04 1:29 pm
To: CF-Talk
Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server
Yes,
anguages continue to grow apart, they will become more distinct.
For better or worse, BD is not exactly CF.
-Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti (cfmaster)
Date: 11/4/04 12:36 pm
To: CF-Talk
Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server
Calvin Ward wrote:
>While that may be true, it
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server
>
> While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of
> Blackstone will further create a gap between actual CFMX and BD
>
>
> - Calvin
&g
> -Original Message-
> From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server
>
> I actually said variances not limitations.
>
>
> If you are developing products that are intend
Calvin Ward wrote:
>While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further
>create a gap between actual CFMX and BD
>
>
Of course, this is pure speculation. Speculating here myself, because
I'm not on the beta test, but I would not be surprised if MM shortened
B
While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further
create a gap between actual CFMX and BD
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti
Date: 11/4/04 6:49 am
To: CF-Talk
Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server
I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the
I actually said variances not limitations.
If you are developing products that are intended to be deployed cross platform, then
you have consider all variances.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti
Date: 11/4/04 6:46 am
To: CF-Talk
Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server
So has anyone here actually used IgniteFusion on a site in production?
I realize it is a bit behind CFMX and Bluedragon, but perhaps it has enough to justify
using it, considering its no-strings-attached free license.
I mean, for common database interaction, email transaction, etc, certainly i
Yes, according to their website, Railo is in Alpha 4, with an expected release of
version 1.0 during the first part of 2005.
>Yes on enhancement DB has that Macromedia STILL does not support is
>better implementation of xpaths and I applaud BD for this...i can't
>beleive you can't do xmlsearch(m
Message-
> > From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:46 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server
> >
> > Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML
> > Compatibility Guide is
, 2004 7:49 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server
>
> I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the list of
> incompatibilities is even shorter, but the list of
> enhancements is longer.
>
> Vince
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: V
the list of incompatibilities is even shorter.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vince Bonfanti
> New Atlanta Communications, LLC
> http://www.newatlanta.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, Novembe
unications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server
>
> Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not
Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion
as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Jones
Date: 11/4/04 2:17 am
To: CF-Talk
Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server
ant it to. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to
> call on java. However, if I understand correctly, the free version of Bluedragon
> does not support calls to java nor the parsing of jsp code.
>
> I may be wrong...?
>
>
>
> >On Wednesday 03 No
I got the impression from the IgniteFusion site that their product is a cgi-based app
server, as opposed to java-based like all other cfml engines these days.
Anyone know if this is true or not?
Outside of that, both IgniteFusion and Railo look really intriguing. They lack
support for some CFM
They are still behind, but I truly hope they become powerful enough to
form competition for Macromedia. For us, the developers, such
competition is always good. :)
Micha Schopman
Software Engineer
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort
What about Railo or IgniteFusion? Does anyone know much about these two cfml engines?
Are they up to the task, or a step behind CFMX and Bluedragon?
Railo: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm
IgniteFusion: http://www.ignitefusion.com/
~~
From: Ryan Jones wrote:
>
> With PHP I am basicly open and free to code and make the
> language do just about anything I want it to. With cfml, I
> could find myself at a place where I need to call on java.
> However, if I understand correctly, the free version of
> Bluedragon does not suppo
dresses.
>
>But even if it is, Bluedragon itself is a concern for me here. I say this because on
>the Macromedia site, their feature matrix for CF notes that while CF Enterprise has
>"High-Performance Email Delivery", the Standard Server version does not.
>
>
of doing it. If you have PHP code
that already handles your mailings, just continue to use it.
Rey...
- Original Message -
From: "Ryan Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Bl
Some of you might find this a little weird
But I once looped a cfmail to test BlueDragon' 3.x version and my
mail server I can't remember how many emails I was (and had) set
to receive, but I had no problem what so ever
And the loop was several 10s of thousand... probably about 50 00
On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:49 pm, Ryan Jones wrote:
> may be way off base here though... maybe the cfmail tag is capable of
> handling thousands of addresses.
Certainly is, failing that there is the CFML that powers this very list :-)
> Standard, meaning that I am also assuming it does NOT featu
notes that while CF Enterprise has
"High-Performance Email Delivery", the Standard Server version does not.
I am assuming that the Bluedragon Server is comparable to Coldfusion MX Standard,
meaning that I am also assuming it does NOT feature "High-Performance Email Delivery.&q
. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call
on java. However, if I understand correctly, the free version of Bluedragon does not
support calls to java nor the parsing of jsp code.
I may be wrong...?
>On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote:
>> Will B
. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call
on java. However, if I understand correctly, the free version of Bluedragon does not
support calls to java nor the parsing of jsp code.
I may be wrong...?
>On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote:
>> Will B
On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote:
> Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does?
Yes.
And more.
Did you have something specific in mind ?
> servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the
> traffic starts increasing. Are thes
7;s ease of
> use could really save me some time and allow me to do more advanced
> things than PHP would, as with PHP these things would presumably take
> more time to learn - time I don't have.
>
> On Ben Forta's blog, Vince Bonfanti of New Atlanta made the following cl
of New Atlanta made the following claim:
* */"//The free BlueDragon Server edition is being offered directly as
an alternative to PHP to keep people using CFML instead."/
Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does?
I have also read horror stories about how cfml is ni
a couple of things.
So I don't quite remember its history. I may install from scratch.
I am running w2k, ntfs. cleaning registry now...
Eric
From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: FREE BlueD
Hi Eric,
See responses inserted below.
Vince
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:14 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> When I install on a machine without
crashes when I go there later.
Does this make sense?
Eric
From: "Vince Bonfanti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:10:31 -0500
Yes CFMX and BlueDragon (and C
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:59 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
...
>
> > Anyone's who's interested in learning more about the CFML/Java/JSP
> > integration features offered by Blue
On Saturday, Feb 22, 2003, at 07:24 US/Pacific, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> My apologies--CFMX does indeed offer similar capabilities as
> BlueDragon in
> this regard. It was an oversight on my part, and not a deliberate
> attempt to
> mislead.
No problem. I expected it was just an oversight. I've b
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 10:24 AM, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> Note that the BlueDragon implementation is via the new PAGE attribute
> of the
> CFINCLUDE tag (and not via the GetPageContext function), which allows
> you to
> include the output of JSP pages or servlets in a CFML page:
>
> B
> > You don't even have to do that. You can just enable
> > BlueDragon or CFMX or CF5 within specific virtual
> > servers or directories, on Apache or IIS.
>
> I would be interested in seeing more details on this
> "feature"
I've described this more than once on this list, I'm sure, so it's pr
|
| You don't even have to do that. You can just enable BlueDragon or CFMX or
| CF5 within specific virtual servers or directories, on Apache or IIS.
|
| Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
| http://www.figleaf.com/
| voice: (202) 797-5496
| fax: (202) 797-5444
|
I would be interested in seeing
> > The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to
> > install a web server adapter to IIS or Apache--in that
> > case you can only have one of BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5
> > attached to the web server.
>
> But you can just use ProxyPass or mod_rewrite to map the
> server on port 8500 into the
On Saturday 22 Feb 2003 17:10 pm, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> The only conflict to watch out for is when you go to install a web server
> adapter to IIS or Apache--in that case you can only have one of
> BlueDragon/CFMX/CF5 attached to the web server.
But you can just use ProxyPass or mod_rewrite to
Yes CFMX and BlueDragon (and CF5) can all peacefully co-exist on the same
machine.
CFMX has a built-in web server that runs on port 8500 by default. BlueDragon
Server has a built-in web server that runs on port 8080 by default--as long
as you don't have anything already installed using port
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To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
> Yes, we've made significant strides based on feedback from customers like
> you. If you continue to have problems with the 3.0.
ew Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:22 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> On Friday, Feb 21
tlanta.com
> -Original Message-
> From: AJ W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> I hope that New Atlanta has worked on the compatibility
> problems I was seeing l
On Friday, Feb 21, 2003, at 13:49 US/Pacific, Vince Bonfanti wrote:
> In this case we're using the BlueDragon/J2EE edition running within a
> standard J2EE WAR file side-by-side with the JSP pages. In fact, some
> of the
> common page elements (headers, footers, menu bars) are implemented via
> CF
> I hope that New Atlanta has worked on the compatibility
> problems I was seeing last year. I was quick to try out
> Blue Dragon as an alternate to CFMX Linux, primarily
> because CFMX at that time did not run very well w/ Linux.
> After a month or so with BD I hung up that hat and went
> back to
I hope that New Atlanta has worked on the compatibility problems I was seeing last
year. I was quick to try out Blue Dragon as an alternate to CFMX Linux, primarily
because CFMX at that time did not run very well w/ Linux.
After a month or so with BD I hung up that hat and went back to CF5.
Ther
eDragon. Session variables are also shared across CFML
and JSP pages.
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
>
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To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
> Hi Dave,
>
> I think your "delivery" inference means that our
> download page is a JSP, which is correct:
> http://w
03 4:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product
> but then they use a different product to deliver it to you.
> What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously it
i dont know enough about it to really know. It was just my immediate thought
Dave
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From: "Mosh Teitelbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Serv
CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> maybe its just me but I find it interesting when companies offer a product
> but then they use a different product to deliver it to you.
> What I mean is that take bluedragon for example, obviously its a
> cfm app but
n)
it seems like they'd at least do the product site in cfm via BD for this
exact reason.
barneyb
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
ep me from even
trying it out.
Dave
- Original Message -
From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
> > This finally kills dead all of
ces their revenue
>>and therefore cash
>>available for future enhancements to CF.
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subjec
> At 01:01 PM 2/21/03 -0600, Raymond Camden wrote:
>>I don't think you will ever kill that argument. There are
>>some people
>>who - for whatever reason - think ALL commercial software
>>is the tool of
>>the devil, and if you try to sell code you are commiting a
>>mortal sin.
>>They will NEVER be c
t;available for future enhancements to CF.
>
>Ken
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
>This finally kills dead all
At 01:01 PM 2/21/03 -0600, Raymond Camden wrote:
>I don't think you will ever kill that argument. There are some people
>who - for whatever reason - think ALL commercial software is the tool of
>the devil, and if you try to sell code you are commiting a mortal sin.
>They will NEVER be convinced oth
> This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its
> free' garbage, which never had any validity in the
> first place.
I don't know if I'd go as far as that. First of all, BlueDragon != CFMX.
Second, there's validity to the argument that free software is better than
non-free software, all ot
> Will be interesting to see what kind of traction BlueDragon gets in the
> marketplace. And if it suceeds(sic), what kind of pricing pressure this
puts on
> MM. And one could argue that if it causes sufficient pricing pressure, MM
> might have to respond in a way that reduces their revenue and the
Eric Dawson wrote:
> Are there any issues with installing Blue Dragon on an existing W2K, IIS,
> CF4.5.2 box? or will it be a clean install?
I would recommend a standalone install, shouldn't give any problems.
Then you should be able to verify your code works using the BlueDragon
internal webse
Are there any issues with installing Blue Dragon on an existing W2K, IIS,
CF4.5.2 box? or will it be a clean install?
Eric
From: jon hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2
available for future enhancements to CF.
Ken
-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free' garb
s." - Yoda
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> This finally kills dead all of that php/asp 'but its free'
> garb
MR> Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MR> MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
MR>
MR> -Original Message-
MR> From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
MR> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM
MR> To: CF
ting times :)
Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FREE BlueDra
Yes, absolutely it extends to a production box. You may use the BlueDragon
Server free edition however you want, for no charge. The only thing you
can't do is redistribute it--for that you'll need an OEM/VAR agreement
(pricing will be very reasonable, or even free depending on what you
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:27 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FREE BlueDragon Server Released!
>
>
> Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, rig
Wow. The 'free' part doesn't extend to a production box, right? Not
sure about the definition of 'deployment'.
Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
~
New Atlanta is pleased to announce the release of the BlueDragon 3.0.1
service pack, including the FREE BlueDragon Server edition, available for
immediate download:
http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/download.jsp
New Atlanta is also pleased to make the formal announcement of
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