I think that's a great idea Baz. Makes perfect sense to me. Pay for the
features you need as you grow.
-Original Message-
From: Baz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
I definitely don't think limitin
lot nicer...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:42 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
> Right, the only difference really is that and what serial number you
> put in. You ca
I actually did not know that. Things just got a lot nicer...
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Right, the only difference really is that and what serial number you
put in
Right, the only difference really is that and what serial number you
put in. You can install cf standard and then put in a new enterprise
serial number and it just starts working as enterprise, with no
reinstall.
On 3/12/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Right now we have CFStandard a
> Right now we have CFStandard and CFEnterprise, which are
> 2 totally different products, with different installs,
> paths and administration.
This isn't quite accurate. The primary difference between installs isn't
between CF Standard and Enterprise, but between a J2EE and a standalone
server
I definitely don't think limiting features is the way to go. In fact I would
like to see the opposite happen. Right now we have CFStandard and
CFEnterprise, which are 2 totally different products, with different
installs, paths and administration. Adding a CFFree to the mix with more
limitations an
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:26 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>>
>>
>> I just saw Ben Forta speak last night at a Kansas City user group
>> about
>> Flex 2 and I am sooo excited. I think there's a
> Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as
> you never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to
> use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your
> application is under GPL license or not.
It's probably obvious, but I wanted to make it
Yes. That is correct.
The Flex Framework and compiler will be free, and don't require the Flex
server to integrate with ColdFusion.
mike chambers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dave Watts wrote:
> According to my understanding, you don't necessarily have to purchase any
> server component at all. You can
Also from that site:
Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as
you never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to
use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your
application is under GPL license or not.
http://www.mysql.com/company/leg
> Actually MySQL is free for commercial use. The only time you have to
> buy a license is if you want to redistribute MySQL with a product.
Hmmm... going from http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/
to the license detail pages, all I could find was, if your software is
not GPL Licensed and
MySQL is definitely free, even for production use.
--Ferg
CF wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>> No MySQL support? Don't know about that one...since
>> MySQL is free and powerful (I use it) I wouldn't cut that
>> one out...they might start using Access... ;o)
>>
>
> AFAIK MySQL is not free, at least not
expect that all the users will know the
shortcuts...hell I don't even know the damn shortcuts lol.
~Dave the disruptor~
From: CF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Hi,
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> Hi,
>
> > No MySQL support? Don't know about that one...since
> > MySQL is free and powerful (I use it) I wouldn't cut that
> > one o
> AFAIK MySQL is not free, at least not for commercial use. But, you are
> definitely right about Access, so better leave the MySQL
> driver in. ;-)
Actually MySQL is free for commercial use. The only time you have to
buy a license is if you want to redistribute MySQL with a product.
[INFO] -
Hi,
> No MySQL support? Don't know about that one...since
> MySQL is free and powerful (I use it) I wouldn't cut that
> one out...they might start using Access... ;o)
AFAIK MySQL is not free, at least not for commercial use. But, you are
definitely right about Access, so better leave the MySQL d
06 4:14 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> > See my reply to Ian..not even a student wants to
> > develop something no one can see or use...
>
> 2 IPsthey can show it to whomever they wish...reset IP as needed.
>
> Now if you mean
Not familiar with that but it sounds interesting.
Anything to get an offering of CF to let the kids
play for free...
> -Original Message-
> From: Donnie Bachan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex
p has so many "free" apps but
thats our fault.
~Dave the disruptor~
From: "Mark Fuqua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Free ColdFusion could work. It
6 3:46 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> Thats interesting since over the past 6+ years I have worked with a lot of
> students who did CF work.
>
> On 3/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > See my reply to Ian..not e
hurt Adobe too much?
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> Free ColdFusion could work. It would have to work for Adobe too th
> See my reply to Ian..not even a student wants to
> develop something no one can see or use...
2 IPsthey can show it to whomever they wish...reset IP as needed.
Now if you mean make publicly accessible sitethey SHOULD have to pay for
hosting...period. If not then chaos ensues when ever
Mark...
I think that could be a great idea.
-Original Message-
From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Free ColdFusion could work. It would have to work for Adobe too though.
How about adding one
> > > I wonder, however, since many "cutting edge" developers
> > > tend to be college students who have no money and are
> > > out to see what they can do, how CF would compete
> > > if it were free or at least less expensive...
Maybe Adobe can release a tool for creating a portable archive file
with..developer version...so I don't see
> your
> point
With the very small caveat that you have to pay for CF hosting somewhere, a
few bucks a month.
-- Josh
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Th
3:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Hmmm...
So CFEclipse must not be a good tool then. Open Office must not be good.
Winamp, the Flash player, Linux. All of those must be total trash because
they're free.
The point I'm wanted to make is that I love ColdFusion and wa
Thats interesting since over the past 6+ years I have worked with a lot of
students who did CF work.
On 3/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> See my reply to Ian..not even a student wants to
> develop something no one can see or use...
>
>
pay for them later once
they're hooked...how do you think crack sellers work?
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> Perhaps Adobe
See my reply to Ian..not even a student wants to
develop something no one can see or use...
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:28 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> &g
> I wonder, however, since many "cutting edge" developers
> tend to be college students who have no money and are
> out to see what they can do, how CF would compete
> if it were free or at least less expensive...
Rick...it is free to use to play with..developer version...so I don't see your
poin
Perhaps Adobe should consider a version which lacks
advanced features to offer for free...that would give students something to
play with, learn from, and grow comfortable with. And give small business
(especially single developers) a start with the server, begin to make money,
then invest in mo
t: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> +1 for Tom Harris. Seems like software is the only industry where people
> expect free products. Since CF is presumably making us all money
> in one way
> or another it's on
Andy Matthews.
-Original Message-
From: Tom Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Regarding the anticipated pricing of FlexBuilder: What is it with all
you people who think everything should be free? Are c
This is the point that's got me laughing now. I was leading the
bitch-fest about Flex costing so freakin' much for the server... Now I'm
incredibly exited that the cost is being so drastically reduced. I'm
finally going to get to do some cool Flex work, Yppp! And now I
see people compla
I'm sorry... typo... meant to say Flash 8.5...
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
> > For those just joining us, we're t
t
> obviously) tend to be stubborn and unwilling to learn new technologies.
>
> -- Josh
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk"
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:28 AM
> Subject: RE: Fl
On 3/2/06, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lets not forget that Flex is currently a $12,000 product that requires it's
> own server to run and can't even be run on shared servers.
>
> So they are dropping the price over 90% and making it serverless and anywhere
> deployable, i think thats a pre
Lets not forget that Flex is currently a $12,000 product that requires it's own
server to run and can't even be run on shared servers.
So they are dropping the price over 90% and making it serverless and anywhere
deployable, i think thats a pretty good deal!
Especially with the kinda $$ you can
rogrammers (no one on this list
obviously) tend to be stubborn and unwilling to learn new technologies.
-- Josh
- Original Message -
From: "Tom Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Lets not forget that Flex is currently a $12,000 product that requires it's own
server to run and can't even be run on shared servers.
So they are dropping the price over 90% and making it serverless and anywhere
deployable, i think thats a pretty good deal!
Especially with the kinda $$ you can
> >I haven't tried it, but my guess is the reason it doesn't work is
because
> CF
> > 8.5 isn't released yet, and therefore not part of the auto update.
I'm assuming that was a typo and they meant "Flash 8.5 hasn't been
released yet".
~
That still does not explain why you'd need CF to update a Flash Player!! for
your refernce:
> >I haven't tried it, but my guess is the reason it doesn't work is
> >because
> CF
> > 8.5 isn't released yet, and therefore not part of the auto update.
Cheers
I'm going to speculate "typo" and he me
Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Tech support. Plenty of companies make their money supporting free
products.
-Original Message-
From: Nick Han [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent
> For those just joining us, we're talking about Flex2, which requires Flash
> 8.5.
>
> russ
Thanks Russ...gee I hadn't noticed ;-)
That still does not explain why you'd need CF to update a Flash Player!!
for your refernce:
> >I haven't tried it, but my guess is the reason it doesn't work is b
Regarding the anticipated pricing of FlexBuilder: What is it with all
you people who think everything should be free? Are cars and houses
free? Are bread and milk free? Do you work for free? If you think
everything should be free, then you need to stop billing your clients
for work, or stop acc
For those just joining us, we're talking about Flex2, which requires Flash
8.5.
russ
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
> >I h
> From Ben's presentation in NYC, Adobe was working on some RDS
> functionality as well that may be contributed to Eclipse or
> just be part of the Flex Builder tool, that alone in my
> opinion is worth it's weight in gold.
I'm pretty sure that the RDS functionality for Eclipse is separate from
Same here. I get a blank blue screen on any of the examples found here:
http://labs.macromedia.com/showcase/
-Original Message-
From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
You now..I don't think
>I haven't tried it, but my guess is the reason it doesn't work is because CF
> 8.5 isn't released yet, and therefore not part of the auto update.
What would CF have to do with a Flash Player update???
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc
Tech support. Plenty of companies make their money supporting free products.
-Original Message-
From: Nick Han [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>Are you seeing a pattern here? I personally LOVE Coldfus
I thought there was no automatic update to the beta player.
On 3/2/06, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash Player update
> (kicked
> off from a Flash based site) work.
>
> How about the rest of ya?
>
>
> Well, it's not looking too good.
> You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash
> Player update (kicked off from a Flash based site) work.
>
> How about the rest of ya?
Yeah, I have, actually.
> Well, it's not looking too good. I have flash player 8 and I
> just went to labs.adobe.com and clicked on all their fle
-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
> You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash Player update
> (kicked
> off from a Flash based site) work.
>
> How about the rest of ya?
>
>
> Well, it's not looking too good. I have flash player
> Once... but it has to be deployed and implemented *perfectly*.
>
> In a way it's like seeing an albino family eating at Burger King... it
> happens, but it's rare.
>
> !k
hehe...and my most recent failure was on www.tv.com you'd think they'd get it
right with the traffic they must have ;-)
Bry
Can't say for certain that I've seen it NOT work.
--Ferg
Bryan Stevenson wrote:
>> I think that the 8.5 install base will grow very quickly. Current versions
>> of Flash, as you've noticed, can upgrade themselves pretty easily.
>>
>
> You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash
yeah, I love when people go on about ASP being free. It's not free, it's
just that you've already paid for it. As a shareholder, I don't ever
want to see CF made "free".
Nick Han wrote:
>> Are you seeing a pattern here? I personally LOVE Coldfusion and I'm not
>> complaining about it at all. But
You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash Player update
(kicked
off from a Flash based site) work.
How about the rest of ya?
Well, it's not looking too good. I have flash player 8 and I just went
to labs.adobe.com and clicked on all their flex 2.0 examples (requires
Flash 8.5)
30 x737
> --//->
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:57 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> > I do still think it's a bit of a cheek to charge t
You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash Player update (kicked
off from a Flash based site) work.
How about the rest of ya?
Yes, I have. I have never seen a Flash player update not work.
I have once experience of a system that, no matter how many times I try, is not
able to in
: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
> I think that the 8.5 install base will grow very quickly. Current versions
> of Flash, as you've noticed, can upgrade themselves pretty easily.
You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash Player update
(kicked
off from a Flash based
> I think that the 8.5 install base will grow very quickly. Current versions
> of Flash, as you've noticed, can upgrade themselves pretty easily.
You now..I don't think I've ever seen an automatic Flash Player update (kicked
off from a Flash based site) work.
How about the rest of ya?
Bryan Ste
> Hmm, that's a bummer. I'd not release any major apps from
> Flex 2 until 8.5 has a wide install base. However, the
> upgrade to new versions /is/ pretty painless. I was very
> surprised the other day when I hit a site in my new install
> of Ubuntu, Flash was required and Firefox did the insta
> Flex 2 applications will require the latest version of Flash
> (8.5), which is
> in beta right now along with Flex 2 itself. So, yes, some
> folks will be out.
Hmm, that's a bummer. I'd not release any major apps from Flex 2 until
8.5 has a wide install base. However, the upgrade to new vers
e price of every copy of Windows OS sold.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Actually, yes, I do think that $1200 for the server is excessive. Seeing
as
how CF is the ONLY lan
support? ASP is not really free if you
think about it. Microsoft had already factored in the costs of ASP into
the price of every copy of Windows OS sold.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and
AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>The one thing I'm
> not sure about is flash player versions.
Flex 2 runs on Flash 8.5.
Completely rebuilt VM and MUCH FASTER!
My current cfform stuff uses flash 8 (and flex 1 in the back-end) and
sometimes takes up to TEN SECONDS to ini
>The one thing I'm
> not sure about is flash player versions.
Flex 2 runs on Flash 8.5.
Completely rebuilt VM and MUCH FASTER!
My current cfform stuff uses flash 8 (and flex 1 in the back-end) and
sometimes takes up to TEN SECONDS to initialize on the screen.
The examples Ben F was showing us,
> I've had the same questions running through my mind. I used
> Ajax to build cfQuickDocs, and I loved it. One thing I do
> think that will be nice with Flex is cross platform
> compatibility. You build one app, and every client that has
> the flash player will run it. The one thing I'm no
riginal Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Actually, yes, I do think that $1200 for the server is excessive. Seeing as
how CF is the ONLY language that makes you pay for the engine.
PHP =
> So what about those of us who just don't like Eclipse? I've
> tried it several times and each time I return to my copy of
> Editplus wondering what all of you are raving about.
I'm not a huge fan of Eclipse either. I can take it or leave it. The value
that FlexBuilder 2 brings to the table isn
Did you not like Eclipse or CFEclipse? I personally do not care for
CFEclipse, I randomly try it out and leave wondering what all the hype is
about. I have used Flex Builder a little bit and was impressed with how it
worked as a tool.
If you do not like the price of Flex Builder you can still bu
How is that when someone brings up VALID concerns about a software
application it's considered "whining"?
-Original Message-
From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
and you would w
27;s powerful, easy to use and fun.
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Do you use coldfusion? You know it competes against other products
that can do the same thing, and
> TOAD?
Oracle DB tool
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
> I am interested in Flex2, I am also interested in Ajax and several
> other options - money will be a big part of any decisions made. To set
> up 2 servers and 12 developers to use Flex might be a very significant
> outlay.
I've had the same questions running through my mind. I used Ajax to
bui
and you would whine less if it was 600? Somehow I doubt it.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
So what about those of us who just don't like Eclipse? I'v
g), but if you download the nightly
build, it's much more user friendly (at least I feel it is).
Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
Do you use coldfusion? You know it competes against other products
that can do the same thing, and some of those options are free right?
PHP, ASP, RoR, etc?
Did you pay for the coldfusion server? or do you use a hosting plan
that you pay for that costs more than some of the other options? Do
y
eting against other stuff that can do the same thing
and some of those options are free. It just seem a little excessive for
Adobe to charge $999. Why not $500? Or even $600.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Su
> I do still think it's a bit of a cheek to charge the
> equivalent of a full app suite (or a new PC for that matter)
> for a plugin - no matter how wonderful it is. As to whether
> it would save me time/money thats a moot point. Flex 2 is
> not the only option out there, and wearing either of
It some interesting stuff, I'd like to see more examples integrating it with
CF. The one example I found ended up crashing my CF7 box when I tried to
apply the updater for it to run, have yet to get back to trying to fix that
installation.
On 3/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
40 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> Rick,
>
> You need to see what Flex Builder does. If Ben makes it to an Users
> Group near you go see the presentation. I am pretty old fashioned, I
> don't use many visual tools unless I have to, so I sti
> Is there a single developer version that's less?
No, I don't think there will be. However, the Flex framework itself - the
compiler that builds Flex apps - will be free, if I understand correctly.
But again, if the product saves you enough development time, $1000 isn't
very much. I strongly enc
Answers in line
On 3/2/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It does seem expensive, especially given that from what I
> > understand its basically a plugin for an open source program?
>
> Yes, that's all it is. However, it's one hell of a plugin.
>
> The problem that a lot of people seem
> It does seem expensive, especially given that from what I
> understand its basically a plugin for an open source program?
Yes, that's all it is. However, it's one hell of a plugin.
The problem that a lot of people seem to have when looking at software
pricing is that they expect it to match th
GLink, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 615.370.1530 x737
> --//->
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:55 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> Rick
Rick,
You need to see what Flex Builder does. If Ben makes it to an Users
Group near you go see the presentation. I am pretty old fashioned, I
don't use many visual tools unless I have to, so I still develop in
Homesite and Eclipse but after seeing Flex Builder 2 I am now a big
fan and starting to
rom: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Rick,
A full version of studio is $800. A full version of Adobe creative suite is
$1200. Upgrades of course are much less expensive.
People are already working on alt
I'll give a thorough check-out...thanks for the info, Mark.
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:55 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
>
>
> Rick,
>
> A full
But Flex isn't C++ or Visual Studio, both of which have proved themselves
over time.
-Original Message-
From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
Hey Rick,
After using Flex Builder 2.0, I
ll be the only one with a visual design component similar to
dreamweaver. And from what I have seen, it is quite useful.
To each there own.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex 2 an
rom: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:10 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
> > >
> > >
> > > You've never used TOAD then...
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> > You've never used TOAD then...
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TOAD?
> -Original Message-
> From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
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> You've never used TOAD then...
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t; From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:22 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
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> Hey Rick,
>
> After using Flex Builder 2.0, I can't believe it's only $1,000.
> That's pretty dirt cheap in the world
th $1000?
>
> Rick
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:07 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
> >
> >
> > Wonder how long it will be before someone
You've never used TOAD then...
On 3/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's hard for me to believe an IDE would be worth
> $1000 (oh, excuse, me $999, which is less than $1000 :P )
>
> Most design software, whether it's for web design, as in
> Dreamweaver, photo manipulation, as in
Maybe I've been blacklisted... :P
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:08 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta
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>
> Weird, haven't been getting Rick Faircloth's
ome in and sell
something for half that and take a lot of business from Adobe
and Flex...what makes it worth $1000?
Rick
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 4:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben
Yeah, an exact functionality copy would be difficult but I am sure people
will make IDEs that do enough for their needs. Should be interesting to see
if those do enough for many others. I personally will just buy the IDE so
long as the pricing stays in the ballpark ranges I have heard.
On 3/1/06
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