Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
Others disagree, presumably, since they're buying the product. So I
think that it's impossible for you to make that claim - if your claim
were correct, no one would buy it. At best, your claim is, if not
impossible, extremely
> Happy trails!
You, too!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:02 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> You're right that I do say it's wrong *for me*. But, I think the pri
> You're right that I do say it's wrong *for me*. But, I think the pricing
> is *wrong* completely. Now, some may say it's worth it, and I might say
> that too, if it had more features that I actually use. But, I think the
> pricing
> is too high, period.
Others disagree, presumably, since the
d for you to have the perspective
(without
any numbers to back up your opinion) that it was priced too high? $500,
$1000?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:23 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> Dave, you just can't stand it when someone else has an opinion, can you?
Opinions are fine. Informed opinions are better. I reserve the right
to point out what I see as the errors in the opinions of others.
> I can tell you one thing...I may not have any experience selling
> "selling non-custo
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> they are forcing the product into peoples faces.
Holy crap. 250+ replies?
Vote with your wallet: either buy the dang thing, contribute to
CFEclipse, or plod forward with Notepad. But please, let this
well-beaten horse of a thread mov
his conversation for the most part, but
I'm not going to stand by and let you just trash everyone on the list who
dares to have a thought.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:19 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion B
ave a CF IDE...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:51 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
I don't think the overall number of CF developers matters. CFBuilder isn't
really aimed at -eve
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Joe Rinehart wrote:
>
> Vote with your wallet: either buy the dang thing, contribute to
> CFEclipse, or plod forward with Notepad. But please, let this
> well-beaten horse of a thread move on to a proper burial.
>
> -Joe
>
>
CF Evangelists, CF Writers, CF Speak
> Surprise, I can use ColdFusion Builder to develop to a degree, .Net
> applications. There is a plujgin for Eclipse to do that. Might not be 5% of
> the real thing, but hey its there.
And likewise, there are people using Visual Studio for CF development.
> Secondly, Adobe have built this on exi
Surprise, I can use ColdFusion Builder to develop to a degree, .Net
applications. There is a plujgin for Eclipse to do that. Might not be 5% of
the real thing, but hey its there.
Secondly, Adobe have built this on existing technology that without it
ColdFusion Builder would be nothing.
Not to me
> they are forcing the product into peoples faces.
Holy crap. 250+ replies?
Vote with your wallet: either buy the dang thing, contribute to
CFEclipse, or plod forward with Notepad. But please, let this
well-beaten horse of a thread move on to a proper burial.
-Joe
~~
I have to agree that the bundling is a good idea to some degree, but its
saying to me that they want no let me rephrase that, they are forcing the
product into peoples faces.
That might not be a bad thing, time will tell.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Charlie Griefer
wrote:
>
> And since I
> I think the proof will be in the pudding, Adobe has 800k ColdFusion
> developers. So that means if they have it priced right they should get
> around 40% plus buying the program.
What does "priced right" mean? Does it mean optimal profitability? And
in any case, why would you expect one IDE to
should get
> around 40% plus buying the program.
>
> My forecast is that they will be lucky to reach 2% in sales of all those
> ColdFusion Developers.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 2:4
.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 2:43 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
Is this really the first time you've encountered product bundling? Do
you really think that the additional cost of a bundled pr
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> Den...
>
> Do you have your signature line on some sort of database hookup
> or something? How do you get those different signature blocks?
If I was l33t, that's what I'd have. I just copy and paste from a list.
It's ordered, but I don
ch 30, 2010 2:26 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:20 PM, G Allen R Souliere wrote:
>
> What's wrong with goats?
It's not the goats, it's Charlie! Those poor goats... *sniff* ;)
:den
--
Eloquence, at its highest pitch, leaves
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:20 PM, G Allen R Souliere wrote:
>
> What's wrong with goats?
It's not the goats, it's Charlie! Those poor goats... *sniff* ;)
:den
--
Eloquence, at its highest pitch, leaves little room for reason or
reflection, but addresses itself entirely to the desires and
affe
What's wrong with goats?
denstar wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
>>> I've worn my delete button out..eck, I've developed RSI from the single
>>> action of deleting
>>> my emails...enough already.
>>>
>> One nice thing about using Gmail for this is the abi
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM, denstar wrote:
>
> Leave it to Dave to reply with something helpful, vs. calling Charlie
> the scum-ridden afterbirth of a syphilistic-cow with hemorrhoids (I
> heard he has sex with goats, too!), or some such.
>
>
Oh ffs. Y'know, you do something one time... O
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
>> I've worn my delete button out..eck, I've developed RSI from the single
>> action of deleting
>> my emails...enough already.
>
> One nice thing about using Gmail for this is the ability to "mute" a
> thread, so future responses will automat
> I've worn my delete button out..eck, I've developed RSI from the single
> action of deleting
> my emails...enough already.
One nice thing about using Gmail for this is the ability to "mute" a
thread, so future responses will automatically be marked as read.
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/
--
Shaun Webster
On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:54 PM, denstar wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:15 AM, mac jordan wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar wrote:
>>
>>> There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> I *love* my iPhone - it does
You are an asshole Mr Griefer!!!over to you Michael..
I've worn my delete button out..eck, I've developed RSI from the single action
of deleting my emails...enough already.
The author of the next reply this thread is an ass...
Matt.
On 30 Mar 2010, at 18:46, Charlie Griefer wrote:
He
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:15 AM, mac jordan wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>> There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff.
>
>
>
> I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.
Well, not *your* iPhone, I meant *other* iPhones. Yours is cool
I think that doing a simple call to
Charlie Griefer wrote:
> Heh... I know I did my part to contribute to the spiraling thread of death,
> but I agree. We've long passed the point of diminishing returns here and
> seem to be stuck in a loop.
>
> Somebody... anybody... feel free to call me an as
Heh... I know I did my part to contribute to the spiraling thread of death,
but I agree. We've long passed the point of diminishing returns here and
seem to be stuck in a loop.
Somebody... anybody... feel free to call me an asshole so Michael shuts down
the thread due to personal attacks :)
On
Though I'm not a particularly religious man, AMEN!
Roger Austin wrote:
> This whole discussion has gotten tedious and needs to go off-line.
> Adobe software has never been cheap. Acrobat, Photoshop, etc. People
> purchase the packages because they need them and have no other
> choices, or beca
This whole discussion has gotten tedious and needs to go off-line.
Adobe software has never been cheap. Acrobat, Photoshop, etc. People
purchase the packages because they need them and have no other
choices, or because they believe they are a good value for their
situation.
I don't plan on pu
> I've never seen software bundled that amounts to an 80% discount
> on one of the titles, *especially* a brand new product...
I have. I just bought something, in fact, where the normal price was
$100 per seat, and I got it for $10 per seat.
And now you have.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> I've never seen software bundled that amounts to an 80% discount
> on one of the titles, *especially* a brand new product...
>
>
No but CS4 Web edition is discounted close to or over 50% vs buying the
products separately.
I've never seen software bundled that amounts to an 80% discount
on one of the titles, *especially* a brand new product...
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:43 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Rel
> I really don't see any trace of conspiracy in simple math, and, that simple
> math, tells
> us CFB costs $50. OK. Real price is the one you have to pay to get a product
> and that
> is $299. On the other hand, I don't believe that anything like product
> bundling can
> "happen" to company as
Yes. If I subtract the fries and the soda from my value meal, then my
sandwich should cost ~$2.50. But they charge me $4.00 for the sandwich
alone!
/s
- Gabriel
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> > Because FB4 standalone full on its own is $249.00, buy ColdFusion Builder
> Because FB4 standalone full on its own is $249.00, buy ColdFusion Builder
> full and its $299.00 with FB4 standalone. So the difference is $50.00
Is this really the first time you've encountered product bundling? Do
you really think that the additional cost of a bundled product
translates direc
Hi Sean,
I really don't see any trace of conspiracy in simple math, and, that simple
math, tells us CFB costs $50. OK. Real price is the one you have to pay to get
a product and that is $299. On the other hand, I don't believe that anything
like product bundling can "happen" to company as Adob
Sean,
Because FB4 standalone full on its own is $249.00, buy ColdFusion Builder
full and its $299.00 with FB4 standalone. So the difference is $50.00
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> Ok so there is one package you can buy in Flash Builder were you don't, I
> don't think it is a bad thing that this is what they have done. But what I
> do disagree with is that I am forced to pay $299.00 or $50.00 extra for an
> upgrade to F
Ok so there is one package you can buy in Flash Builder were you don't, I
don't think it is a bad thing that this is what they have done. But what I
do disagree with is that I am forced to pay $299.00 or $50.00 extra for an
upgrade to Flash Builder when I am never going to use it, to get ColdFusio
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
> I agree that it would be a good price for those who want to do Flash work.
Flash Builder is about Flex, not Flash - in terms of "fancy graphics".
Andrew said:
> In other words, right now they are banking on everyone upgrading to Flash
> B
:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:19 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
Very true, I think Adobe has to some degree tried. But failed because you
can't get it on its own.
In other words, right now they are banking on everyone upgrading to Flash
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Phillip Duba wrote:
>
> Not sure where you got that info, but according to this article from Gartner
> last month, http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1306513, the iPhone is
> only 14% of the overall Smartphone sales for last year. The Smartphone space
> itself
AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> It seems that more people would buy it if it was $99.00, and surely with
> 800k developers out there they would actually have made more money of that
> price point than they ever will of the current price point.
I think that
7;s almost impossible to raise one.
Maybe that's what Adobe's doing. If sales don't work out at $299, then we
may
see a $199 price in a year or so.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:43 PM
To: cf-t
.@threeravensconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:04 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
Last I checked, split windows is an eclipse feature, so that should be
available in both.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia
The fact that ten times as many people would buy it at that price.
-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2010 7:49 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
What? They would have to get 3 times as many sales at
That was his point. If they priced it cheaper, they would probably more
than make up in bulk.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 3:49 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
What? They would
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:
>
> What? They would have to get 3 times as many sales at that rate. What
> measure are you using exactly?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
> It seems that more people would buy it if i
What? They would have to get 3 times as many sales at that rate. What
measure are you using exactly?
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:43 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
I think it is
I think it is fair to say that Adobe don't take things to lightly either,
but I also don't think they do their homework either.
It seems that more people would buy it if it was $99.00, and surely with
800k developers out there they would actually have made more money of that
price point than they
Last I checked, split windows is an eclipse feature, so that should be
available in both.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:02 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
No...CFBuilder is no
't want to grow up and have to use big-boys
tools.
:o)
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:27 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
>> I wouldn't purchase it at this point unless it
#x27;s price tag.
Whatever, here's hoping neither of us ever grow up to be 'big-boy' coders.
:D
Cheers
Will
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: 27 March 2010 14:02
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
No...C
ed *coding*
and not just integrated *tools*. That would be worth $300 or more!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:15 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
It's not overpriced if they sell enoug
Message-
From: mac jordan [mailto:mac.jor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:54 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> The strict control of the App Store does suck. The fact that you can't
> h
, then why? What will CFBuilder bring to your productivity
that makes it a tool you want to use?
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: 27 March 2010 05:12
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> You said that it wasn't fair for Ad
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> The strict control of the App Store does suck. The fact that you can't
> have a native Google Voice app because it might affect AT&Ts profit
> sucks. The fact that Apple can remove or block apps from the App Store
> for any reason they li
ess with them concerning CF Builder.
-Original Message-
From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> > I'm not advis
that I'm spending, it precious to
me.
My family depends on me making wise choices with my money. I don't make
enough
to be oblivious to the costs of doing business.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:41 PM
To
e way they've chosen to do
business...I'm doing the same thing with Adobe.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:41 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> I simply have said Adobe price CFB to
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> > I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan
>
> When did I advise that?
>
> > saying that they shouldn't do that
>
> When did I say that?
>
Nah, I said that...
And as for Dave's comment
"It's also a sensible decision for m
> I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high.
No, you said a lot more than that. You said that it wasn't fair for
Adobe to price CFB at $300, since Dreamweaver was around the same
amount and that was an "original work", and that this was an incentive
for you not to buy CFB even if it would make
.@figleaf.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:59 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> Now that doesn't sounds suspiciously like an emotional, rather than
> rational, response, Dave... Your choice is to "buy it or don't buy it"...
Yes, that is my choice.
> Now that doesn't sounds suspiciously like an emotional, rather than
> rational, response, Dave... Your choice is to "buy it or don't buy it"...
Yes, that is my choice. I choose not to. Again, though, unlike you,
I'm not advising anyone to change their business plan, or saying that
they shouldn'
, I think we're in complete agreement.
Whoa! :o)
Rick
-Original Message-----
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:45 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> Hmmm...but it's Apple's phone, Dave.
>
> And, like CFB
> Hmmm...but it's Apple's phone, Dave.
>
> And, like CFBuilder and Adobe, they can do anything they like with it.
> Restricting builders and suppliers has always been the hallmark of Apple,
> for good and for ill to the company and their customers.
>
> You seem to have a very strong opinion about
not in
business for their customers, but only what they can get from them.
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:31 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all
Apple is blocking it, yes, but they also have some very valid points
about the stability and performance of the Flash player. Flash player
is pretty good on Windows and yet it is still the almost the sole
cause of my memory leaks in Firefox. Install Firefox with no other
plugins, head to a flash
nt: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon
> for the iPhone?
That's a good question. I was sure I'd seen something like that in one of
the feeds I read, but can&
> Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon for the
> iPhone?
That's a good question. I was sure I'd seen something like that in one
of the feeds I read, but can't find it now.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
Fig
I am thinking it must be a 2.1 thing then...Droids are still on 2.0.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:37 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> I don't think this is apple saying no
---
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:27 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
> but adobe not producing flash for it yet.
No, this is Apple saying
Dave...
Where did you get the information about the AIR runtime coming soon for the
iPhone?
andy
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:51 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
> What happened to export
> What - Flash isn't on the Android phones? I just got me on of them
> Android phones last night (HTC Hero) and it most definitely has flash in
> the browser.
Some Android phones have Flash, others don't. HTC has their own
in-house Flash player which is based on Flash Lite, I think. HTC has
all
> I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
> but adobe not producing flash for it yet.
Gladly. When I was at Max 2008 Adobe said he had Flash working on the
iPhone and they were simply awaiting approval from the "head chef"
(Apple). That was a year and a half a
My Blackberry keeps my happy.
Just saying
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~
> I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.
The strict control of the App Store does suck. The fact that you can't
have a native Google Voice app because it might affect AT&Ts profit
sucks. The fact that Apple can remove or block apps from the App Store
for any reason they like sucks.
"The iP
www.coldfusionmuse.com
www.necfug.com
-Original Message-
From: Phillip Duba [mailto:phild...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:45 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
Not sure where you got that info, but according to this article from Gartner
last month, http
> I don't think this is apple saying no to flash (correct me if I am wrong)
> but adobe not producing flash for it yet.
No, this is Apple saying no to Flash. Adobe's had it for a while now,
but it's an obvious competitor to the App Store, so Apple has no
incentive to allow it.
> It's also not on
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:15 AM, mac jordan wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar wrote:
>
> > There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff.
>
>
>
> I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.
>
>
+1 Although I still need to get down to Apple store to re
adobe not producing flash for it yet. They don't even have a 64 bit
version of it for Win 7.
It's also not on the Android phones yet.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:29 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion B
> I think the most we can do is encourage people to buy other "phones".
Well I walked out of a Sprint store with my new HTC Hero Android phone
last night so I guess I'm doin' my part :)
~Brad
~|
Want to reach the ColdFus
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:12 PM, denstar wrote:
> There's *plenty* of reasons the iPhone sucks, besides the Flash stuff.
I *love* my iPhone - it doesn't suck at all.
--
mac jordan
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Not sure where you got that info, but according to this article from Gartner
last month, http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1306513, the iPhone is
only 14% of the overall Smartphone sales for last year. The Smartphone space
itself is only a small percentage of all cell phone purchases it also s
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
...
> Just wondering here...
>
> What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I don't
> write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out there...
> Isn't this something that could lead to a class action
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> The Flash CS5 release, coming soon, lets Flash developers export to
> "native" iPhone apps, which can then presumably be put in the App
> Store and rejected for arbitrary and capricious reasons.
>
> The AIR runtime for iPhone is also coming
> What happened to exporting apps into iPhone apps? Wasn't that one of the
> main highlights of Flash Builder previews? Export your Flex/ AIR apps to
> iPhone? I tried searching their highlights page and found nothing searching
> for iPhone?
The Flash CS5 release, coming soon, lets Flash develop
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Casey Dougall
wrote:
>
> What about Developers? Is their something they could do about this? I don't
> write flex or flash sites myself BUT for the growing community out there...
> Isn't this something that could lead to a class action lawsuit against
> platforms
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Scott Brady wrote:
>
>
> Short of something killing the iPhone (and the new Windows Phone 7
> Series phones won't help -- they also don't support Flash), I'm not
> sure there's anything Adobe can do about it.
>
> Scott
>
>
Just wondering here...
What about Deve
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Casey Dougall
wrote:
>
> Let me state this as simple as I can...
>
> Flash is DEAD unless it's on the iPhone!
>
> Either get it on there or it's going to be Javascript and html5 or 8 out of
> 10 projects will be using javascript and html5 solutions, while Adobe go
) you can eat your old CF WACK books.
lots of fiber there...
:oP
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
>>especially now that Obamacare has been la
M
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
>
>
> I had to ash in my 401k to stay afloat...so I get the double whammy with my
> tax filing now and have to pay the 10% penalty...we have no savings left
> whatsoever after being unemployed for 8 months. It sucks o
't want to interject any politics into this...so just
pretend that I didn't write the above. :o)
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:44 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!
I
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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:21 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Emmit Larson
wrote:
> ... Said the person who sold $65,000 of his stuff to cover his bills.
>
> I feel for ya man. I really do.
>
> I lost my hous
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Bryn Parrott wrote:
>
> FYI The Upgrade Price for Flash Builder Premium is $US 299 ($AUD 412) which
> happens to be the same price as CF Builder with Flash Builder Standard
> (outright purchase).
>
> Guys, we can argue all we like about Adobe pricing strategy for
>You lost me, Jake :)
>
>There is no edition of FlashBuilder that I see priced at $299. There's
>standard ($249), which does not include CFBuilder, and Premium, which is
>priced at $699 and dies include CFBuilder.
>
>
>
>>
FYI The Upgrade Price for Flash Builder Premium is $US 299 ($AUD 412) whi
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Emmit Larson wrote:
>
> ... Said the person who sold $65,000 of his stuff to cover his bills.
>
> I feel for ya man. I really do.
>
> I lost my house.
Damn bro, yer cold. Not cool.
Sean, thanks for sharing. It made me feel better about having a rough
year or t
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Emmit Larson wrote:
> ... Said the person who sold $65,000 of his stuff to cover his bills.
>
> I feel for ya man. I really do.
>
> I lost my house.
That really does suck. The economy has been brutal for most of us this
last year and some have fared much worse th
y not all of us make as much as you do Sean ;-)
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:38 AM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!
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