if they are whinging about the cost of multiple licenses why not challenge with the cost of multi-skilled developers. no
doubt its best to have developers with multiple skills but in a global
skills shortage (of all languages) is it good to have people very
experienced *commercially* with cf become
The thing I like best about CF over .Net, is it has been consistent for the last 9-10 years - since the CF tags (after db tags)For example, data base access - data access methods have come and gone, odbc, ole, oleDB, ole.Net
, ADO ..., but for the CF developer it has always been CFQUERY. Allaire/MM
Ben Forta has written an wrapper around image/J.
Andrew Mercer wrote:
>
> What I would like to see from Adobe take from .Net is the amount of
> objects that have been exposed in to the developer.
> That is, I would like to see more JAVA objects exposed. For example, I
> would like to see a CFZI
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 01:58:58PM +1000, Dale Fraser wrote:
>
> When presenting different technologies to the Board here, the first question
> the chairman asked.
>
> Q: Who makes ColdFusion
> A: Adobe
>
> Now if I had been pitching PHP.
>
> Q: Who makes PHP
> A: Ahh, Not sure a bunch of guys
I'm sure Andrew is aware of that, and that there are custom tags around for zip
and sleep as well.
But just because these things exist does not mean that Adobe should not be
expanding the native CF tag library to include these features. I for one would
be generally much happier to use a CF tag
I think you should read the response about 3 more times.
I didn't mention ignoring open source options, just ones with no major
support.
We extensively use Java, we previously used PHP and Perl and it wasn't
suitable for our application.
With that said, I personally like PHP, the language and s
Andrew,
I think your missing something.
>> What I would like to see from Adobe take from .Net is the
amount of objects that have been exposed in to the developer.
All java objects are accessible, you just need to access them.
>> That is, I would like to see more JAVA objects
Brett,
You make a fine point, I wasn't sure if he wanted to access the java stuff
or have Adobe provide more out of box tags.
But I totally agree with you, this stuff is simple Zip, Sleep, Image Adobe
should include it, they would be silly not to.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://dale.fraser.id.au
After 11 years of CF I am prepared to let it all go.No explanation. Just tired of trying to defend it or find work without having to move hundreds of miles to places that "get it".
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Hi Barry,
No time to read entire post, but you ever tried to fix or extend the rails framework if it doesn't do *exactly* what you want it to do? You might as well re-write it in CF in some cases. Hopefully I will get to read the whole thread tomorrow...
My 2cShane
p.s. If I gave $2 (or wort
The main PHP engine is by Zend (http://www.zend.com). PHP 5 is getting close to the feel of Java moving it from just a RADlike language to a more powerful enterprise solution with PDF and charting being built into the engine with simple extension dll/so libraries. It also has a very strong develope
Dale, does this stop you from using MySQL databases?
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I see,But I picked them for my comment "I wouldn't be jumping on any platform thatwasn't provided by a main stream player"
Thus, I don't know who provides PHP.RegardsDale Fraserhttp://dale.fraser
On 8/30/06, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but it would be very difficult to develop a .NETapplication using something as simple as notepad.
There are some OK editors out there to do .NET coding in (all the editors for the MONO runtime in Linux, Dreamweaver et
yep - this is my point.Sure the sleep thing is simple, but ColdFusion is more aboutOn 8/30/06, Dale Fraser
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You make a fine point, I wasn't sure if he wanted to access the java stuffor have Adobe provide more out of box tags.But I totally agree with you, this stuff
Personally, I thing Coldfusion is shit-house, period.
tof
On 8/30/06, Andrew Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yep - this is my point.Sure the sleep thing is simple, but ColdFusion is more about
On 8/30/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Brett,You make a fine point, I wasn't sure
On 30/08/2006, at 3:24 PM, Mark Stanton wrote:
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> Hi Andrew
>
>> I still see RoR the same as ModleGlue.
>
> Here is the rails API documentation: http://api.rubyonrails.com/
>
> If you take the ColdSpring, MG, Reactor and CFAjax + big chunks of the
> CF language (where CF is abstracting away trick
> but there is no particular magic about it - all the RoR things can be done in
> CF
but Robin, the reverse of that is true too. - all the CF things can
be done in RonR. Where's the product differentiation?
and now, that includes remoting, which was one selling point I was
using in flying the
Yes,
It does, we use MS SQL.
We also have client software c++
Microsoft Visual c++
We have no problems getting people for these
technologies, not to say we would with others but things work well now.
Next move for us is Flex 2, hopefully just calling
our existing cfc obj
Personally I prefer the object model.
I’d use it over tags if everything could work
that way.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://dale.fraser.id.au
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On 31/08/2006, at 2:10 AM, Barry Beattie wrote:
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>> but there is no particular magic about it - all the RoR things can
>> be done in CF
>
> but Robin, the reverse of that is true too. - all the CF things can
> be done in RonR. Where's the product differentiation?
Barry, I was talking about
Hey Andrew,
SIde note. I think there is a sleep functionality coming out. We are
calling the java code directly at the moment.
J.
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Couldnt' have said it better my self. The Emperor colthes are grey
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> Barry, I was talking about the frameworks, not Ruby vs CFML - and I
> think there's been plenty of responses on this thread that include
> things CF can do that RoR cannot (esp. Java based and all that
> entails - I take it that QUT aren't a J2EE house).
we will be well on the way by next year,
Anyone know of a good example of RoR 'scaffolding' code I can look at?
From: "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: cfaussie@googlegroups.comTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:51:55 +1000>> > Barry, I was talking about the
Why are you using "sleep functionality"? All it does is lock up valuable
threads. I would seriously consider leaving the CF realm if adobe ever went
down the path of creating such tags to please the community.. What's next?
or ? I
guess these would be useful for load testing, but they can be done
And when Windows Vista comes along, MS
Studio changes the rules again as all objects will be xaml and a new learning
curve begins again.
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Thanks Robin,
I guess you put it better than I could have.
Mark Stanton touched it, and the point is as Robin said all languages can
achieve the same thing. I was interested to know why RoR was any different
to CF + MG:U or even MachII + Reactor.
At the end of the day, scaffolding is supported
37Signals (who originally made rails) uses it for all of their apps, I
believe. They've stated that campfire and basecamp use rails... the rest
of their stuff probably does as well.
Andrew Scott wrote:
> Thanks Robin,
>
> I guess you put it better than I could have.
>
> Mark Stanton touched it,
Hi Joel
We have made good use of thread.sleep() in a case where we had a very
long and CPU intensive process. This process made the rest of the site
crawl when it was being run and so it was scheduled for just after
midnight.
It doesn't really matter how long it takes for the process to run so
w
A method that you can use instead of this is to run a scheduled process
every minute or so. Use the GetMetricData() function to detect server load,
and if load is low, run the process for a set number of rows / timeframe.
Then record the status of the process and exit. Future requests can carry on
>From what I'm reading Barry - your argument comes down to one simple question -
If RonR can pretty much do everything CF can do, and it's free - why
would a company pay the extra dollars?
Would the be correct?
Mark
On 8/31/06, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Barry, I was talkin
I disagree mate - Introducing load testing, progress tracking, etc..
makes the solution much more complex.
I'd take the simplest approach that achieves the aim everytime. If the
complex approach has some significant advantage then sure, but I can't
see any here.
I also disagree that thread.sleep
All I am saying is that if you have to go outside of CF to execute a
function, then technically you are not doing things that CF was made to do.
It is a server app. The main objective in a server app is to minimise load,
which means minimising request time, which will lead to increased
capabilitie
Hi all,
Is there any way that I can reference in ColdFusion the number of rows
successfully updated in a SQL Server 2005 update query?
Cheers
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Hi all,
Is there a
> If RonR can pretty much do everything CF can do, and it's free - why
> would a company pay the extra dollars?
well, that part of it sort-of evolved, but it's not the whole story if
you factor in Jeremy's points of moving to .NET, and us with Java/JSP.
and as a litmus test and leaving a direct
Thanks Joel :)
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On 8/31/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All I am saying is that if you have to go outside of CF to execute a
> function, then technically you are not doing things that CF was made to do.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Doesn't CF code get
compiled into Java classes which
I'm talking more about what CF was *designed* to do. Adobe would have
realised that releasing a CFSLEEP tag might cause some users to complain
about the server hanging all the time when really it's the excessive use of
the tag which is the problem.. So they never released this "function" within
"C
Hi All
I have a requirement to build a webservice to a certain spec. I have
built a bunch before but I am a bit puzzled on this one. The spec
requires that I return two output parameters (one xml, one array) as
well as the standard return. Can someone shed some light as to how I
get CF to do this
Hey Joel,
While usually you want to get the response back asap, there really
are good reasons for a server to put a thread to sleep in some
situations - sometimes you need to delay a thread between retries,
and you'd like to yield to other threads while you wait - the only
alternative wou
Anyone got a simple example for me to bind a query
from a cfc to a datagrid.
I can’t get it to work and the documentation
on integrating CF & Flex is seriously lacking or hiding.
Here’s what I’ve got which works, except
no data goes in the grid.
xmlns:mx="http://www.adob
On 31/08/2006, at 2:40 PM, Robin Hilliard wrote:
> Hey Joel,
>
> While usually you want to get the response back asap, there really
> are good reasons for a server to put a thread to sleep in some
> situations
And another quick point - CF threads regularly go to sleep without
you explicitl
On 31/08/2006, at 2:41 PM, Dale Fraser wrote:Anyone got a simple example for me to bind a query from a cfc to a datagrid.Make accountArray into an ArrayCollection. event.result should already be an ArrayCollection. __Robin HilliardDirector - RocketBoots Pty LtdConsulting . Software Lic
On 8/31/06, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm talking more about what CF was *designed* to do. Adobe would have
> realised that releasing a CFSLEEP tag might cause some users to complain
> about the server hanging all the time when really it's the excessive use of
> the tag which is the p
You can only have one return value, but that one value can be as complex as it needs to be. You could return a struct containing the three values (xml, array and simple).Blair
On 8/31/06, Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi AllI have a requirement to build a webservice to a certain spec. I havebuilt
Ok, fair enough, I just don't think that it should be a function that is
written into CF pages. As I mentioned before, it just seems to me like an
easy way to make a CF server unavailable (if used unwisely).
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I couldn’t get that working, I eventually got
this working.
xmlns:mx="http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml" layout="absolute">
id="accountWs" wsdl="http://localhost/flex/SimpleTest/account.cfc?wsdl" showBusyCursor="true">
name="getAccounts" result="accountArray = e
Ok. Maybe I get it now. Thanks for explaining. All I was really thinking
about is that the server has a maximum number of simultaneous requests
allowed. I was thinking along the lines that someone could call a request
that is known to take an extended period of time repeatedly and potentially
lock
Hi,
I want to call a certain page (in a cf schedule) from within a cfoutput
query="" so it runs a number of times.
This page is an action page that has form info posted to it and runs for quite
a long while.
Essentially I would want to set some form variables based on the query and
include
Blair that is not true, I have dealt with
webservices that have returned up to 5 parameters. In coldfusion yes because it
technically is not a webservice, so you can only return the one type.
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Hi,
I want to call a certain page (in a cf schedule) from within a cfoutput
query="" so it runs a number of times.
Th
Hi Blair
Thanks for your response. I am aware of that functionality. My spec
requires me to have muliple output parameters. Just not sure how to get
CF to do this.
thanks
Drew
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My mistake. :)On 8/31/06, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blair that is not true, I have dealt with
webservices that have returned up to 5 parameters. In coldfusion yes because it
technically is not a webservice, so you can only return the one type.
Senior Coldfusio
Hey Andrew
Bummer if CF is limited in this way. Can anyone else suggest another web
service delivery platform that will run on solaris. I'll look at an
apache/tomcat/axis configuration if nobody else has any suggestions.
thanks
Drew
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Create an Associative Array
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Nope, that does not work.
The value of the attribute query, which is currently "SESSION.SECTOR", is
invalid.
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Hey Guys,
I've started a new flex mailing list for us Aussies!
This not an effort to move Australian developers away from using FlexCoders,
rather it may be useful for Aussie developers to post messages that may not
be suitable for the international list.
Anyway the details.
http://groups.yahoo
Hey Guys,
I've started a new flex mailing list for us Aussies!
This not an effort to move Australian developers away from using FlexCoders,
rather it may be useful for Aussie developers to post messages that may not
be suitable for the international list.
Anyway the details.
http://groups.yahoo
SELECT
SB_SECTOR_ID,
SB_SECTOR_DESC
FROM
SB_SECTOR
ORDER BY
SB_SECTOR_ID
Startting #SB_SECTOR_DESC#
Completed #SB_SECTOR_DESC#
Doesn't work ?? I know cfflush likes to cause problems with cookie's,
cflocation, etc but I didn't think there was a problem with cfoutput ...??
- Orig
Hi Drew,
You COULD just build the xml soap response yourself.. kinda defeats the
purpose of using cf for webservices.. but I had to do this to get around
a webservice 'complex datatype' issue..
Cheers,
Adam
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What exactly are you trying to achieve here.
I'm sure there is a better way such as a function or even better cfc.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://dale.fraser.id.au
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actually, there was a typo on my behalf.
the page works as below.
thanks rod and dale.
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SELECT
SB_SECTOR_ID,
SB_SECTOR_DESC
FROM
SB_SECTOR
ORDER BY
SB_SECTOR_ID
Startting #SB_SECTOR_DESC#
Completed #SB_SECTOR_DESC#
Doesn't work ??
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