e who
> may want to waste time reading this thread
>
> Greg Macaulay
> (Almost) Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth
> Lifetime AARP member
> Retired Attorney/Law Professor
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Lisa"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:45 AM
> S
riginal Message -
From: "Tom Lisa"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: cisco academy's routing skills final ,tough!!! [7:29212]
> Greg,
>
> You may not be aware, but many, if not all, academies allow the student a
> retake if they fail the Skills B
All right Jon, your check will be in the mail tomorrow. :)
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy
jon kintner wrote:
> in reply to Mr Macaulay's post:
>
> I've had the same instructor throughout the 5 sems of cisco acad I've
> taken. He's be
py and Joyous Holiday!
>
> Greg Macaulay
> (Almost) Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth
> Lifetime AARP member
> Retired Attorney/Law Professor
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom Lisa"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: cisco academy
in reply to Mr Macaulay's post:
I've had the same instructor throughout the 5 sems of cisco acad I've
taken. He's been here and pushed us as hard as we could go and been a
damned good instructor. Even with that, over half of our class failed our
practical final in sem 5. I think More respo
gy
Manatee Community College
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: cisco academy's routing skills final ,tough!!! [7:29212]
>
>
> I saw the Solaris cert
;ll wait and see what flames this message
brings!
To all, Have a Happy and Joyous Holiday!
Greg Macaulay
(Almost) Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth
Lifetime AARP member
Retired Attorney/Law Professor
- Original Message -
From: "Tom Lisa"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject
Hmmm, Jeff, sorry to hear you're disappointment. I won't be able to make a
judgement yet myself; sounds like you have much more Unix experience than I
do (which is mainly shell scripting and basic user administration). From
what I've seen it's extremely basic but it'll be useful for students who
AwwwI'm happy for you, Tom. May it be a lasting, joyful
relationship :-D
>>> "Tom Lisa" 12/18/2001 2:06:08 PM >>>
Patricia,
I must disagree on one small point. I just purchased a very lovely 805
router with a wonderful personality. Immediately after unpacking it I felt
a close bond d
Network people are scary sometimes :)
-jeff
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Tom Lisa wrote:
> Patricia,
>
> I must disagree on one small point. I just purchased a very lovely 805
> router with a wonderful personality. Immediately after unpacking it I felt
> a close bond developing between us. I am su
I saw the Solaris cert project when netacad had just posted the beta for
academys to review, and I took a recheck again recently. I honestly
believe they could have done a much better job with it. I noticed alot of
the info was either incorrect, half right, or ass-backwards.
It's sort of like the
Patricia,
I must disagree on one small point. I just purchased a very lovely 805
router with a wonderful personality. Immediately after unpacking it I felt
a close bond developing between us. I am sure it will return my affection.:)
Happy Holidays Everyone,
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community Col
Thanks, Brian, for the sound advice. I've just finished Semester 4 (though
I got my CCNA a couple of months ago) and look forward to Sem. 5. As I've
stated before, I'm going the Academy route for cost reasons, hands-on with
an extensive lab but also to benefit from the interaction between other
looks like my message is moving further into the archives. But a hot subject
nontheless. I wanted it to be more of a heads up to all who are about to
take on sem5 . Don't think of advance routing as a course to run through
just to reach a designation of ccnp and hopefully ccie. It cant work fo
looks like my message is moving further into the archives. But a hot subject
nontheless. I wanted it to be more of a heads up to all who are about to
take on sem5 . Don't think of advance routing as a course to run through
just to reach a designation of ccnp and hopefully ccie. It cant work fo
Priscilla,
Every component of the skills based exam is seen by the students during the
semester.
The academic portion is presented, and then one or more labs on that area
are given.
This volume of labs done during the semester, nearly 60, may also contribute
to the
problem. Version 2 of the curr
Although I would prefer that all my students passed on the first try, you
are correct in your assessment. Unfortunately, having passed the CCNA
exam does not guarantee success at the CCNP level. I have stated
before that I like to compare the Cisco certs to the Crafts skills
designators.
I consi
Oh, I don't know; maybe they might be trying to take the "paper" aspect out
of the cert
you're studying to get?
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy
Doug wrote:
> Well, I am taking my test in Aurora, CO. We will have 2.5 hrs and no
> group.
I didn't take offense, Priscilla. BTW, we now have a ver. 2 of the BCRAN
course (haven't had a chance to review it yet -- another Winter Break
project) and hopefully the new skills based final will be less stressful.
Part
of the problem with the first one was more with the ambiguous instructions
It wasn't a wisecrack, but it wasn't very well stated. The final exam
should be a summary of what was taught and practiced in class. It shouldn't
contain surprises or new materials or test new skills that weren't
developed in the course.
The course developer's goal should be that everyone pass
Usually you're given a preview of the Hands-On topology with minimal info
and without
full details though. The key to passing is more practice! I simulate the
the hands-on and
provide my own scenario details and configure/run it in the lab. At
Southwestern College,
Chula Vista, CA, a Cisco Acade
I really don't agree that everyone should pass, tho perhaps that was a
wisecrack I didn't see. Inevitably in any class some students try and
some don't. If everyone fails then yes perhaps that is a problem, but
given the material difficulty, I would expect a substantial failure rate.
Brian "Son
good luck !!!
Get it right the first time!!
If you don't, don't worry about!!
Brian,
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The ironic thing about going through the academy and doing well wont help
you pass the 640 routing exam . I would recommend boson.com and purchase one
of their test. They'll offer you three test to buy just buy one if you feel
that sem5 was learned well . I only have experience with boson so I cou
Well, I am taking my test in Aurora, CO. We will have 2.5 hrs and no
group...one shot...wonderful, huh!
Wonder how they come up with this final?
Doug
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I completed and passed the 5th semester hands-on practical test early this
year. The lab scenario was to design, (i.e., IP address assignment) and
configure a 7 router, 2 switches and multiple hosts set-up with RIP and OSPF
routing protocols, NAT for internet access, etc.
We were three in a group
At what location are you taking your Cisco Academy classes??
Just curious;
I have a friend that is also taking the classes, and I was quite surprised
at the layout (content) of the courses for each semester. Though, after
thinking about it, I think the Cisco Academy format is probably the best
Ok, Brian will take your advice. I was thinking on going over most of the
labs before my final, but will try to focus a little more on them.
Do you feel that the class book was sufficent enough, that you didn't need
to read other books before taking the Cisco Routing Exam? Did you try any
other q
I wasn't criticizing the teacher. I just wanted to make that clear. ;-)
Designing a final exam that everyone fails just seems like a poor method of
eduction. We learned to do the opposite in the education classes I took
recently. I realize that the design is Cisco's, not the Academy instructor'
the best thing to do is follow your reading with the labs meaning as you
read chapter 4 do chapter 4 labs . Concepts sink in better when you can
implement them. Study only cisco academy's material for the testing and
exams. There is great material out there but will only take time away from
doing
Oh, I feel so much better now! Only 60% of my class failed the
practical exam. I must be an exceptional teacher (or do I have
exceptional students; nah, it must be me). :) :)
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy
brian hall wrote:
> Just
I resemble that remark!
Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> It sounds like some old-fashioned meanie wrote this test.
> Priscilla
>
> At 12:32 PM 12/14/01, brian hall wrote:
> >Just a message to those who (l
H, interesting!
I am taking this class and any help you can give me, would be much
appreciated! I have heard it's a bear too.
Doug
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I like your humble spirit and your admission that you need to learn more to
do well in the real world (and CCIE), but I would also recommend that you
not beat yourself up about this particular test.
It doesn't sound like a good test. The test should match what you learned
in the semester. Newe
Are you referring to the CCNP academy?
-junovtv
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