Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

1971 C&C 43 >> >> Seattle >> >> >> [image: Description: Description: >> cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary >> Russell via CnC-List >> *Sen

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:54 PM To: Paul Eugenio via CnC-List Cc: Dave Godwin Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows Gary, Don’t get discouraged. It will work out. That’s what I sleep telling myself every day... Since most of the other p

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows, Multi-Tool

Hi Alan, I am having trouble understanding your description. I assume the first step with the pattern bit is to cut out the new window and the second step is to remove the old window. If this is true, then I am concerned about controlling the router in the second step so as not to damage the

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

to:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:54 PM To: Paul Eugenio via CnC-List Cc: Dave Godwin Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows Gary, Don’t get discouraged. It will work out. That’s what I sleep telling myself every da

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Hi Gary, I'm reminded of a quote from John Lennon, “Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.” Good luck with the window project. It's a seasonal thread here, kinda like Christmas but without the merry. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 02

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows, Multi-Tool

help break the glue bond. Chuck - Original Message - From: "Gary Russell via CnC-List" To: "C&C List" Cc: "Gary Russell" Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:17:42 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows, Multi-Tool Chuck, Yup, I hav

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows, Multi-Tool

When I removed my windows, I used a router. Use the new window and double sided tape to hold the new window in place. Then use the router with a pattern bit to go all around the window. Remove the new window, and use the router with a straight bit to remove the rest of the window where it's held

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via > CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:10 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Martin DeYoung > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows, Multi-Tool

mp;C List" > *Cc: *"Gary Russell" > *Sent: *Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:04:10 PM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows > > Hi Chuck, > Let me assure you that Plexus MA-320 is as hard as a rock. A putty > knife blade will n

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows, Multi-Tool

Message - From: "Gary Russell via CnC-List" To: "C&C List" Cc: "Gary Russell" Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:04:10 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows Hi Chuck, Let me assure you that Plexus MA-320 is as hard as a rock. A putty knife b

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Sorry Gary, I have never used it on a hard sealant like Plexus.  Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Gary Russell via CnC-List Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 10:56To: C&C List;Cc: Gary Russell;Subject:Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Windshield removal tool. It was designed to remove glued in automotive glass.  Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. -- Original message--From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-ListDate: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 11:05To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Stevan Plavsa;Subject:R

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

> DeYoung via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:10 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Martin DeYoung > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows > > > > Gary, > > > > Do you have a Fein multitool or similar oscillating power tool? &g

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

DeYoung Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows Gary, Do you have a Fein multitool or similar oscillating power tool? On Calypso I have been very pleased with the efficiency of my Fein multi tool and the carbide bits. There is a triangle shaped bit that has course carbide and a

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

> > Calypso > > 1971 C&C 43 > > Seattle > > > [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary > Russell via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday,

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:55 AM To: C&C List Cc: Gary Russell Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows Hi Doug, While I am quite confident your tool will work well with

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Gary, Are you using any type of grinder? Maybe a drum sander? Its hard to believe that Plexus would stand up to the likes of these types of power tools. Josh On Nov 11, 2015 1:56 PM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" wrote: > Hi Doug, > While I am quite confident your tool will work well with

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Does that tool have a name? Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com

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Hi Doug, While I am quite confident your tool will work well with sealants, I don't see how it will work with Plexus which is harder than the acrylic it attaches. If I am wrong please let me know, because I am killing myself trying to remove the Plexus. Gary S/V High Maintenance ~~~_/)~

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That tool looks like what they use on windshields. I was already talking about the Sika adhesive they use. I don't know why I didn't think of the tools too. Thanks for the post! Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 11, 2015 1:26 PM, "svpegasu...@gmail.com" wrote: > Here

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Here is the tool I use to remone my port lights. Ahter the windows are out, you can use it to remove excess sealant.  Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Hi Chuck, Let me assure you that Plexus MA-320 is as hard as a rock. A putty knife blade will not touch it. I spent a good part of today trying to grind it away with little progress. Gary ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > Removing old window

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Bruno, I solved this problem by aligning the windows before removing the protecting film from the VHB tape and hanging the windows in place with two strips of wide masking tape from the top side(like two big hinges). You can take the time to align the space just as you want(i.e. readjust the ma

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:57 AM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows Sikaflex 295 UV is rated at 160 psi. 60% stronger than the highest rated VHB tape. I bet its a bit mes

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Besides being bulletproof, a good reason for using polycarbonate is that it is much more flexible than acrylic. You do not have to force it, it will almost noodle its way to fit on the curved surface. The drawback of using polycarbonate: cost, UV degradation, and surface scratching, are les

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > From: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> > To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows > Message-ID: ><mailto:CA+zaCRDtZT+=cNs_9SqJMjRuzEeo

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gton, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bobmor99 . via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 8:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bobmor99 . Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows A very important distinction (made before by others) when

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

> > just a thought. > > Marek > > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:48 AM > To: C&C List > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows > > The attached PDF had pretty good guidance. I would choose

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows - welcome

Me too. She's an '84 35mk3. Though not perfect, appears to be very well cared for and well outfitted. Has new port lights, recent rod rigging, fuel tank and rebuild of 3gm. Interesting thing about window refit is a ss frame around them. Haven't seen that in my research before. Things I need peac

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

lish! second language. Bruno Lachance Bécassine, '87 33 mkII New-Richmond, Qc Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:40:05 -0500 To: robertabb...@eastlink.ca Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: dave.god...@me.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Rob, Agreed. When thinking ab

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fibreglass to which they are attached. So unless you have some other way of keeping them curved, the tape might not be the best option. just a thought. Marek From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:48 AM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List

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The attached PDF had pretty good guidance. I would choose the thickest tape which can still fit under the windows. Maybe even double layers. I have a friend who used the 4941 series. After looking at the PDF it looks like the 5952 series has better adhesive qualities and possibly higher adhesio

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Sikaflex 295 UV is rated at 160 psi. 60% stronger than the highest rated VHB tape. I bet its a bit messier too... Josh Muckley On Nov 10, 2015 10:48 AM, "Josh Muckley" wrote: > The attached PDF had pretty good guidance. I would choose the thickest > tape which can still fit under the windows.

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Rob, Yikes! Thanks for the info. How to choose? Gary ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Dave: > > I am no VHB expert.have never used the stuff. I understand there are > many different versions, at least that what I get from the website be

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Rob, Agreed. When thinking about the tape I did a quick Internet search and came up with many versions of the VHB tape. I use a software package (OmniFocus) for project planning and under the “Fixed Ports Repair” list of actions is a new one to investigate the types of adhesive in more detail

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Dave: I am no VHB expert.have never used the stuff. I understand there are many different versions, at least that what I get from the website below. http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/67100O/3mtm-vhb-tapes.pdf Point being, make sure you get the right tape for the job you intend to use

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

*Hampton VA* > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2015 19:40 > *To:* Paul Eugenio via CnC-List > *Cc:* Dave Godwin > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows > > M

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

om] On Behalf Of Dave > Godwin via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 19:40 > To: Paul Eugenio via CnC-List > Cc: Dave Godwin > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows > > More response to this thread; I’ve been working on the fixed ports on my boat > over t

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 19:40 To: Paul Eugenio via CnC-List Cc: Dave Godwin Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows More response to this thread; I’ve been working on the fixed ports on my boat over the

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Bob, Good point. Gary ~~~_/)~~ On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:50 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > A very important distinction (made before by others) when talking about > rebedding windows/ports/port lights is whether the window is the old style, > i.e. alumi

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Dave, I checked your blog and that's an impressive effort there on the refit. I hope the VHB works out for you. Ahmet, I hear butyl is good for the aluminum frame portlights on the 70s C&Cs. The fixed port lights on the 80s boats are supposed to be structural so they have to be bonded to the cabin

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

A very important distinction (made before by others) when talking about rebedding windows/ports/port lights is whether the window is the old style, i.e. aluminium frame attached to the cabintop and a lens attached to the frame or, the newer style which is a lens glued directly to the the outside of

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

More response to this thread; I’ve been working on the fixed ports on my boat over the last few days and and paying close attention. After absorbing a good bit of the info in the thread and the links provided, I’m planning on moving away from using Plexus ("if it was good enough for my grandfath

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Butyl tape is a terrific sealant. I use it all the time. It is not an adhesive, however, and should not be used to bond windows to fiberglass. Gary ~~~_/)~~ On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Ahmet via CnC-List wrote: > A lot of people paraise using Butyl tape for attaching windows. >

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

A lot of people paraise using Butyl tape for attaching windows. I have not done it, but I can see the results on my C&C Hull/Deck joint, and it looks pretty good Ahmet On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Bruce, > Welcome to the C&C

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Hi Bruce, Welcome to the C&C forum. Some members get a little cranky, but most are wonderful folks that just want to help. First a few basics. Plexiglas is a trade name for acrylic and Lexan is the trade name for poly carbonate. Poly carbonate is known for being bullet proof, but easy

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Was afraid of that. The only ports close to the new C&C ports I've done were on a Beneteau. Don't remember how hard the adhesive was. Dennis C. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Dennis, > I'm quite sure those blades would work

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Hi Dennis, I'm quite sure those blades would work well for soft calk like silicones or urethanes, but Plexus is hard as a rock and I don't think they would work. In addition, the big problem is getting at the bottom window joint that is very close to the turn on the deck. Gary S/V High Maint

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Not quite the same thing but lately I've been removing ports that were held in with sealant by using a vibrating saw with a caulk cutting blade. Like these: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-OSC214C-4-Inch-Caulk-Knife/dp/B004UBF43S http://multifitblades.com/straight-sealant-cutter.html Not sure how t

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

"Wow! You guys are lucky! My Windows came out in pieces with significant gel coat damage."Well, Gary, you are "High Maintenance" ;)Mike AmiraultLovely Cruise C&C33MKiiSMSC___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, inclu

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Wow! You guys are lucky! My Windows came out in pieces with significant gel coat damage. Gary S/V High Maintenance 1990 C&C 37 Plus East Greenwich, RI, USA Sent from my iPhone. ~~~_/)~~~ > On Nov 9, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List > wrote: > > Ditto. Not even very firm rap of

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

at 6:48 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 18:53:53 -0900 > From: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> > To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows > Mess

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I like the VHB tape method but wasn't there some discussion in previous posts about the structural properties of the various sealants? Is this or should this be a concern? VHB is a product line with various thicknesses and bond strengths so it is important to make sure you know what you're gettin

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Ditto. Not even very firm rap of hand was needed... Nate "Sarah Jean" 1980 30-1 and T31 On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:21 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Stevan, mine just popped out with a firm rap from my hand. Had to fix up a > few small patches of gelcoat but noth

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows

Gelcoat is just pigmented polyester AFAIK, so I would go with polyester if it isn't going to show anyway. (note, some gelcoats may be based on epoxy) Styrene applied before the polyester may help to make a better bond.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-li

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Stevan, mine just popped out with a firm rap from my hand. Had to fix up a few small patches of gelcoat but nothing major. Mike Amirault C&C33 MKii SMSC___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing --

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Hi Josh, I have been thinking the same thing. So far (only removed one window) the damage has been contained under the glazing. Gary S/V High Maintenance 1990 C&C 37 Plus East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-lis

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I'm not convinced that repairing the gel-coat is critical unless the damage extends beyond that which is hidden by the window and glazing. I'd just use silica filled epoxy. Scrub it well to remove the amine blush and then maybe give it a little tooth by sanding it dull. The typical 80 grit might

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Yup, you will! The question is, what is the best way to repair the gelcoat. I have glass mat showing in places. Do I apply epoxy or polyester resin to the glass mat before filling in the damaged area? What do I fill it with? Should I use MarineTex or silica filled resin? help!!! Gary S/V Hig

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This write up in sailing anarchy is pretty detailed with pics http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=133986 > On Nov 8, 2015, at 9:18 PM,Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List > wrote: > > For those that have done the job, how did you manage the removal of the old > windows? I imagine I'de d

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For those that have done the job, how did you manage the removal of the old windows? I imagine I'de destroy any gelcoat down there if I gave this a try. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 4:45 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > I wish I had known about VHB tape a few years back

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I wish I had known about VHB tape a few years back when I replaced the windowsit sure would have made the job a lot easier than the Sika 295 UV .if I ever have to do the job again, which I hope will never happen, I will use this tape method. Thanks Gary for pointing this out and the vi

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We are using a surveyor we've worked with before. Jim Dias out of ct Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2015, at 7:20 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List > wrote: > > Who is the surveyor? > Gary > > ~~~_/)~~ > > >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:52 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List >> wrote: >> Just jo

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Who is the surveyor? Gary ~~~_/)~~ On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 12:52 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote: > Just joined the list, minutes ago. Hopefully a new C&C owner after the > survey in 10 days. Enjoyed the boat works video. Noticed the the East > Greenwich RI tag after Gary's name. That is

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows - welcome

Thx. Me too. She looks well cared for. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > Welcome to the list. Hope the survey goes well. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:52 AM, JP Mail via CnC-List >> wro

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Replacing Windows - welcome

Welcome to the list. Hope the survey goes well. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:52 AM, JP Mail via CnC-List wrote: > Just joined the list, minutes ago. Hopefully a new C&C owner after the > survey in 10 days. Enjoyed the boat works video. Noticed the the Eas

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Just joined the list, minutes ago. Hopefully a new C&C owner after the survey in 10 days. Enjoyed the boat works video. Noticed the the East Greenwich RI tag after Gary's name. That is where the survey will take place. Small world. Sorry for the hijack. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2015, a

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That boatworks guy has some great videos. Thanks for the link! Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Fred, > Please note that the 3M VHB tape is available in blac

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Fred, Please note that the 3M VHB tape is available in black, eliminating (I think) the need for Fusion Black paint. Gary S/V High Maintenance 1990 C&C 37 Plus East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: