> I think you are correct.
> The point is to identify the exact xpath to the @id attribute.
Ok, so I let it that way then.
> If you get it started, I can review the changes and we should be able to
> wrap it up in a few iterations.
Well, first I'll see what to do regarding the howto. I mean, I'll
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> I see, but let me explain it.
> I should not use "//", that's ok, but I think "/@id" for example is not
> enough.
> If I'm right, using "/" gives the Document Root but not the Root Element
and
> I can't access from there the id attribute. Also, making it that way I get
> the exception at the end
Then yes, you can reuse it - but you should be aware that it's not very
optimized doing xml generation through string. If you're doing short
documents, you may not notice any issue. But if you have a larger document
you may wish to reimplement in SAX. Try it first as is - you may be
perfectly sa
I have zero knowledge (well, very little) of the Sunrise process you're
trying to use, but it sounds like you should be able to place the
xmldocument into the session as a session attribute, and call the
SessionAttributeGenerator on it. The javadocs are pretty good for that one.
For the xsl you ma
Hello again, Ivelin.
> The new revision is excelent.
Thank you very much.
> Please follow the instructions to submit an official HOWTO
> http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/howto/howto-author-howto.html
>
> Diana will take it from there.
I'll do once solved the doubts below. Thanks.
> In the fragment b
hey heiko,
see comments inline
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im
> Auftrag von Heiko Milke
> Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Februar 2003 01:32
> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Betreff: Re: AW: Accessing session variables in the sitemap.xmap
>
>
> Hello Ma
hi richard,
from what you wrote in your mail it seems you have misplaced the
. those go into the pipeline definitions.
maybe it would be best if you read some introductory material on the sitemap
or have a look at samples sitemaps.
your sitemap should look something like this:
Hello Marco,
thank you very much for your reply. It is a bit irretating that you
can't read something from the session that was set to it earlier in a
serverpage (while working on the same request) but i'll have to live
with it.
Now I wrote an action that does the talking to the session and it wo
Hi,
I am getting a strange result from my browser
selector. I have specified two xsl stylesheets, one for a PDA to run on AvantGo,
and another for a PC to run on Explorer. Now the expected result would be:
PC = Welcome to soundpool. Your
are viewing this site from personal c
Hi,
I must be missing something pretty basic here. I am trying to build
Cocoon from the current CVS HEAD. However the build process does not get
very far. Here's the output:
C:\Data\Projects\cocoon\xml-cocoon2>build.bat -Dincl
Using the SunRise instructions found at
http://radio.weblogs.com/0103021/stories/2002/02/28/usingTheSunriseComponent
s.html
The example has a pipeline named foo-authuser
In this pipeline, i call an action named checkCredentials. This action
accesses several tables in a database. If a match is fo
Actually... if you just go to
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=People and look through that list,
there are several people that work for companies using cocoon in this same
manner and/or in production environments. Very encouraging... very cool.
Dan Feather
--
Hey,
I saw someone mention that they wondered if there were any companies
packaging cocoon as a polished product. I noticed on the cocoon wiki that
there were some guys listed as working for a place called "Hippo Webworks"
(http://www.hippo.nl/EN/index.html). It looks like they have built a
Geoff,
I was creating String...
thx...
-Original Message-
From: Geoff Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Question on generators...
This all depends on what you were doing in your class. Were you
creating
xml?
hi heiko,
please have a look at:
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16246
this explains why the session created in an XSP is not visible later in the
pipeline (being created after pipeline setup).
you could create your session within your XSP if you override the
generator's setup
hi lenya,
I haven't yet really been into input modules, but I think you could use
something like:
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im
> Auftrag von Lenya L. Khachaturov
> Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003 15:04
> An: [EMAIL
This all depends on what you were doing in your class. Were you creating
xml? If so, DOM, SAX or String?
Geoff
> -Original Message-
> From: SriKumar Kareti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:21 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Question on generators...
>
Jetty now ships with 2.1, so it works there. Cocoon is just a webapp, so if
you
mean portability to other containers, there should only be isolated issues.
If you
mean ripping your code out of cocoon, then Peter's advice is what you need.
Of course,
if you use helper classes with your xsp's you co
I'll be there with bells on (unless it's cold - then I'll dress warmer).
I've had a few others write off list with some interest, and an idea to
arrange a presentation at the NOVA JUG in Reston at some point. If you're
interested, let me know on/off list. No schedule yet - we'll just consider
th
maybe your user agent has several languages set in Accept-Language and maybe
the input module uses these (LocalAction using first encountered).
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im
> Auftrag von Cyril Vidal
> Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003
hi richard,
I think this is a path issue. see below:
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im
> Auftrag von Richard Cunliffe
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 11:34
> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Betreff: RE: Apache error on startup
>
>
> Hussay
Last Mail before I stop work:
If I modify the code of Judith like that:
...
Date myDate = null;
...
instead of Date myDate = "";
I do not get an error now, but neither the "date".
So thanks everybody for your help.
I will finish up after 14hours without solving the problem.
King regards
I tried:
http://apache.org/xsp";
xmlns:esql="http://apache.org/cocoon/SQL/v2";
xmlns:xsp-request="http://apache.org/xsp/request/2.0";>
Date myDate = "";
String dateParam = null;
try{
myDat
Hi Thorsten,
you define the variable dateParam inside a try/catch-block. When you reference to it
outside of this block you're out of scope.
try:
http://apache.org/xsp";
xmlns:esql="http://apache.org/cocoon/SQL/v2";
xmlns:xsp-request="http://apache.org/xsp/request/2.0";>
I correct it and now:
description org.apache.cocoon.ProcessingException: Language Exception:
org.apache.cocoon.components.language.LanguageException: Error compiling
IDC2_info_int_xsp: Line 286, column -1: incompatible types Line 309, column 48:
variable dateParam not found in class org.apache.
About the app servers.
Have experience with two different ones:
1) JBoss: No problem, runs out of the box.
2) Weblogic: Quite straightforward in general (it becomes a lot easier if
you deploy "exploded"), but there are some issues with some specific
features (eg the JSPGenerator)
Christoph
-O
Well, Seattle is a LONG way from D.C.--about 4-5 days' drive each way, for
those who aren't familiar with the scale of the North American continent. I
was in D.C. over Christmas, though--too bad I hadn't asked my question yet!
Would love to see a CHUG if only to raise the prominence of Cocoon on th
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 18:37, Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> I have shorten the xsp:
> http://apache.org/xsp";
>xmlns:esql="http://apache.org/cocoon/SQL/v2";
>xmlns:xsp-request="http://apache.org/xsp/request/2.0";>
>
>
> Date myDate = "";
> try{
> myDate = (new
> SimpleDateFormat(
> Also they want to know how much of the effort of setting up a cocoon can
be
> reused if we decide not to go with cocoon. I suppose the business logic
can
> be reused and possible the stylesheets but I am not sure.
If you stay away from XSP then much of what you do can be reused. If you're
car
Thank you Lionel, I will try it out.
-Original Message-
From: Lionel Crine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Question on generators...
Yes you can do a generator :
Here is what I did, this is a main structure :
impor
Hello again,
I have shorten the xsp:
http://apache.org/xsp";
xmlns:esql="http://apache.org/cocoon/SQL/v2";
xmlns:xsp-request="http://apache.org/xsp/request/2.0";>
Date myDate = "";
try{
myDate = (new
SimpleDateFormat("dd.MM.").parse(request.getParameter("date"));
String dateParam = (new Si
Hi,
How easy is it to configure cocoon to work with other app servers such as
weblogic, jetty, sun one etc...?
Basically after I gave them a presentation, my management is keen on cocoon
but they insist that I show them that there is a way to transition smoothly
to alternatives to tomcat if r
Hello Christian,
First, thanks for your help!
I think I've done what you told me concerning the input module. And in fact,
I've just changed the value of the parameter 'locale', given the
successfull pattern using localeAction:
localeAction ***
*input module
Hello,
what I need is a centralized mechanism to change the paths in all my
site-elements. (that means: Later when I switsch from development to
production I just want to change pathname at one single point, not every
single href, src ...)
Inside elements handled by cocoon (XSP, Generators, Actio
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 17:59, Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
> Yes, I am doing that right now.
>
> But the people using the app that I am writing don't want type 01/30/2003 to get the
>reports.
> The main reason is that the company that I am working for is in Germany. So the user
>wants to put 30.01.2
Yes, I am doing that right now.
But the people using the app that I am writing don't want type 01/30/2003 to get the
reports.
The main reason is that the company that I am working for is in Germany. So the user
wants to put 30.01.2003 in the form.
If I parse that into the esql I can't get any d
On 31.Jan.2003 -- 04:07 PM, Cyril Vidal wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to retrieve the language of the user's browser, so that I could
> call the I18n Trasnformer in the right way (by passing the locales's value
> equal to the browser's language).
>
> To retrieve the language set up in the brow
Thank you for the compliment but it was only through bumping my head
against many a brick wall that I learned anything.
To convert your string into a Date object, you simply invert the process
on the SimpleDateFormat object
Date myDate = (new
SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/")).parse(request.getParam
Thanks for your help Konstantin!
It's OK with LocaleAction.
Regards,
Cyril.
- Original Message -
From: "Konstantin Piroumian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: How can the result of a pipeline be a parameter for a
transformation
> We're using Cocoon on health care projects that need to
> protect XML content at a fine-grain level based on a user's role, context,
and state > of the data. Rather than embedding this logic completely in the
persistence layer
> or code (a DB or EJBs), we're doing it within transforms and actio
> 1) Open Source projects seem to grow virally, infecting those
> closest to the
> source first. Sooner or later a carrier makes their way to some place new
> and a new source of infection grows up. With Cocoon I think there are now
> enough sources of infection that it will propagate at a pretty
You're patience and so brilliant:
sitemap.log:
ERROR (2003-01-31) 16:36.32:707 [sitemap.generator.serverpages]
(/weidmueller-dev/IDC2/info_int.xml) Thread-9/IDC2_info_int_xsp: XSP date error:
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot format given Object as a Date
at java.text.DateFor
Hello everyone,
I hope I don't bother you.
At the moment only if I use I get the
parameter.
Otherwise I get s**t (sorry for being rude, I spent now more than 12h)-> nothing.
So is that a bug?
should I post to the dev-list?
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Scherler, Thorsten
Gesendet:
Yes you can do a generator :
Here is what I did, this is a main structure :
import your_package;
public class your_class extends ComposerGenerator (or absctractGenerator)
{
...
public void setup(SourceResolver resolver, Map objectModel, String
src, Parameters par)
throws Process
I think that the request parameter is returning a string and the format
object is expecting a Date object. (I should have recognised this
earlier).
I think the XSP page is throwing an exception which we have been
ignoring. Try the following code and then check the sitemap.log and
errors.log (can't
> I'm just curious about something. I've been reading the Cocoon-users list
for a
> couple of weeks or so and I see a lot of folks in Europe (and
Australia--Jeff T!)
> interested in Cocoon. I'm sure it's not a matter of Americans (&
Canadians?) not
> being interested, I'm sure.
I'm a Canadian wo
I have a smal portal with a login page.
I get them with :
to check them with an xsl page.
I presume this two variable are stored in a sunshine context.
If yes :
how can i get them to put them in my generator ?
If not :
how can I store my two variables a sunshine "session" context and then t
Thanks for you help in advance...
I am a new user to Cocoon. I have searched the site pretty well and
could
not answer this question. Could someone help...
My goal is to move from current servlet based solution to Cocoon. The
general
flow of my current program is
1) Take the request,
2) Gener
Thanks,
but now I am not getting any results because is always timeOfDay = "".
I will look into using tags.
Thanks for your patience.
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Andrew Timberlake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003 16:07
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re:
From: "Cyril Vidal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to retrieve the language of the user's browser, so that I
could
> call the I18n Trasnformer in the right way (by passing the locales's value
> equal to the browser's language).
Simply use the LocaleAction as it is done in i18n samp
> I think we are agreeing (?) on the issue of proprietary : in essence, any
code that
> you do not write yourself is 'proprietary' in some way - it "belongs" to
someone.
Uh, no, but it's not worth worrying about...
-
Please check
Hello,
I would like to retrieve the language of the user's browser, so that I could
call the I18n Trasnformer in the right way (by passing the locales's value
equal to the browser's language).
To retrieve the language set up in the browser, I've used the Request
Generator, and applied the followi
Try this
...
String timeOfDay = "";
try{
timeOfDay = (new
SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/")).format(request.getParameter("date"));
}catch(Exception e){}
IDC2_int
select * from info_bericht where country ='' AND Info_datum =
#timeOfDay#
I will mention a
I found out that (1):
...
String timeOfDay = (new
SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/")).format(new Date());
...
select * from info_bericht where country ='' AND Info_datum = #timeOfDay#
...
works fine!
BUT this (2/3/4) one is not working at all:
...
try{
String timeOfDay = (new
Hello Andrew,
my final xsp should look like this:
...
try{
String timeOfDay = (new
SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/")).format(request.getParameter("date"));
}catch(Exception e){}
IDC2_int
select * from info_bericht where country ='' AND Info_datum = #timeOfDay#
...
like I stated
Geoff,
I'm game for a DC CHUG. I already partipate in the DC SGML/XML UG and
the Baltimore HJUG, but my S.O. won't mind another night per month.
Right? :-)
Let's talk on Wed. Feb 19th at the DC SGML/XML UG meeting (at the AGU
Bldg. on Florida and Connecticut Aves. NW north of Dupont Circle).
Feb
Josema,
The new revision is excelent.
Please follow the instructions to submit an official HOWTO
http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/howto/howto-author-howto.html
Diana will take it from there.
I would recommend the following minor corrections to the code:
In the fragment below, why use "//". Is it
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:09, Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
> Hello Jan,
>
> I couldn't find the error.
>
> But I attached it.
>
I was reading your previous post in which you posted your xsp source.
Instead of this:
select * from info_bericht where country ='' AND Info_datum = ##
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:09, Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
> Hello Jan,
>
> I couldn't find the error.
>
> But I attached it.
>
The following code looks VERY wrong as you seem to have java code that
resides outside of a method.
/*snip*/
try{
String timeOfDay = (new
SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/yy
I used WildcardSessionAttributeMatcher to get session attributes:
Here is YourGenerator's source code to get YourParam:
public void generate() throws IOException, SAXException, ProcessingException {
// Get YourParam
String yourParam = parameters.ge
Hello Jan,
I couldn't find the error.
But I attached it.
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Jan Harms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003 14:31
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: AW: xsp-element equivalent to xsl:param?
Thorsten,
here is a tip that might be useful: W
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:01, Lionel Crine wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I' d like to get two session variables and use them as parameter for my
> custom generator.
>
> 1/Should I get them in the sitemap and use in the sitemap.
> how do I write that ?
This will create parameters named var1 &&
I've been working with Cocoon for a little over a year now (in the
US) and have certainly have had that feeling. There have been some
really good points so far which I won't recapitulate. I'll just
add a couple of tidbits:
- I have been looking for Cocoon related jobs in the US and haven't
found
Hello,
I'd like to know if it's possible. I would like to do the following:
So that in my XSL I could write the following:
link to another CSS
The example in the Browser Selector docs is not what I really want - I
don't need different XSL
Hello,
I' d like to get two session variables and use them as parameter for my
custom generator.
1/Should I get them in the sitemap and use in the sitemap.
how do I write that ?
2/Or should I get them direclty in the generator ?
How do I do that ?
Lionel
---
Thorsten,
here is a tip that might be useful: When you get a message "Error compiling foo.xsp"
you should have a look at the generated java class.
Like JSPs, XSPs are transformed into a .java source file. Afterwards cocoon tries to
compile this .java file into a .class file. These files can be
Yes, I've noticed that as well but with
getParameter("date")); -> same exception.
Thanks
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Geoff Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003 14:17
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: RE: xsp-element equivalent to xsl:param?
Wast that cut
Wast that cut and pasted? It looks like you're missing an end ) - should
be:
getParameter("date"));
Geoff
> -Original Message-
> From: Scherler, Thorsten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: AW: xsp-element equivalent to
Sorry jan, ...and thabks a lot for your help!
I posted the working one! ;-)
The NOT working logic/IDC2_info_int.xsp:
http://apache.org/xsp";
xmlns:esql="http://apache.org/cocoon/SQL/v2";
xmlns:xsp-request="http://apache.org/xsp/request/2.0";>
try{
String timeOfDay = (new
SimpleDateFormat("
Are you sure these are the correct files?
I don´t see the tag with the
SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/")).format(...
The error message looks like you have forgotten to close some curly braces. That´s
just a guess though...
-Jan
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Scherler, Thorsten [
Hello jan,
with the request I get a similar error like with the parameters.
But here are all the files:
my sitemap.xmap:
http://apache.org/cocoon/sitemap/1.0";>
Andrew Timberlake wrote:
> try{
> String timeOfDay = (new
> SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/")).format(parameters.getParameter
> ("date");
> }catch(Exception e){}
>
>
> You will need to wrap the code in a try/catch block or
> alternatively use
> the syntax: parameters.getParameter("date", "defa
Hello Andrew,
with:
try{
String timeOfDay = (new
SimpleDateFormat("MM/dd/")).format(parameters.getParameter("date");
}catch(Exception e){}
I get:
type fatal
message Language Exception
description org.apache.cocoon.ProcessingException: Language Exception:
org.apache.cocoon.components
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 14:31, Scherler, Thorsten wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> is there an equivalent in xsp to the xsl: ?
Yes, see below
>
> e.g. guess my request is like that: ...?date=30%2F01%2F2003.
>
> And
>
> select * from info_bericht where Info_datum = #name="date"/>#
>
> is wo
Jeff,
I live and work in Washington, D.C. USA and see the
need for Cocoon rising rapidly in government and industry.
The primary reason is the lack of "content scalability" from
other solutions (ASP,JSP,CFM). These technologies suffer
from poor support for pipelining XML easily and their difficul
Hello group,
is there an equivalent in xsp to the xsl: ?
e.g. guess my request is like that: ...?date=30%2F01%2F2003.
And
select * from info_bericht where Info_datum = ##
is working fine.
But can't be used in like that:
String timeOfDay = (
new SimpleDateForma
Would be if only I
need to change all the '/' into '.'
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Konstantin Piroumian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003 08:57
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: date translation
Yes, that's it.
Another option could be to use the XSLT tr
Lionel Crine wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I use sunrise framework.
> I'd like to protected multiple patterns but I don't know how.
>
> Here is what I tried :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Here is your problem, you first match agains any name starting
> -Original Message-
> From: Antonio Gallardo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cocoon use worldwide
> -dont know. I have no acces to printed publications, since BYTE
> (http://www.byte.com) stop sending magazines an
Hello,
I use sunrise framework.
I'd like to protected multiple patterns but I don't know how.
Here is what I tried :
...
http://apache.org/cocoon/sitemap/1.0";
xmlns:sunshine="http://sunshine.sundn.de/sunshine/1.0";>
...
Jeff Ramsdale dijo:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just curious about something. I've been reading the Cocoon-users
> list for a couple of weeks or so and I see a lot of folks in Europe (and
> Australia--Jeff T!) interested in Cocoon. I'm sure it's not a matter of
> Americans (& Canadians?) not being interested
Ho Dorthe,
kannst Du uns zwei Resieanträge in Blanko ausdrucken?
Andreas
Am Fre, 2003-01-31 um 09.47 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Hi Konstantin,
>
> >> I thought that I've already answered to this. See my previous post on
> your question.
> >> Generally, the 'type' attribute cannot be dynamic,
Thanks!
Joerg Heinicke wrote:
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
Jupp, thanks!
What would be an appropriate XSLT forum?
Any recommendations?
http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list/
Joerg
-
Please check that your question has n
Hi Konstantin,
>> I thought that I've already answered to this. See my previous post on
your question.
>> Generally, the 'type' attribute cannot be dynamic, because the pipeline
is
>> constructed before processing.
I asked because you posted this before:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:11:00 +0100
Subject: special character (JSP) éà
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Hi,
I have a problem wi
Hi Angelo,
You can convert structured text to XML with "Chaperon" parser generator
(a parser because it parses the text and generator because it creates
an XML document) which is integrated in cocoon as a generator.
See for more details:
http://chaperon.sourceforge.net/
http://xml.apache.org/
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi again,
>
> is it possible to name an output-file dynamically in cocoon.
>
> E.g. a pdf is created that has the name report_31_01_2003.pdf because its
> the 31 Jan 2003 (or report_GSM.pdf because I got a parameter with the
value
> "GSM").
>
> Is this possible at runnt
I'm just North of you in BC and I'm using Cocoon on my project.
I'm sure there are others, but the 2 biggest things I've seen is the
lack of diverse clients locally. By that I mean the really poor
telephony networks across NA compared to other areas means I rarely see
or build stuff for local
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