Re: [CGUYS] Backing up desktop

2008-09-04 Thread Michael S. Altus
I wrote PC computer running Windows XP. I have BounceBack software that directs a C-drive backup to a Seagate external drive. How can I get the desktop to be backed up as well? John DeCarlo replied: Your desktop is on the C: drive. So you are almost certainly backing it up already. On my des

Re: [CGUYS] Backing up desktop

2008-09-04 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Michael S. Altus wrote: I wrote PC computer running Windows XP. I have BounceBack software that directs a C-drive backup to a Seagate external drive. How can I get the desktop to be backed up as well? John DeCarlo replied: Your desktop is on the C: drive. So you are almost

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 3, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Tony B wrote: It's not just you. It's a big problem today. I complain about it all the time, as do broadcast engineers. Not at all sure why all the new video formats separate audio from video. Experience with this has proven to me that the problem is much worse

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Could be just your TV that is out. I have fixed this by turning the TV off & on. Nope. Not at all in my case. In fact, one can experience time shifts in the amount of delay between audio and video as a program progresses. It may be more

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Nope. Not at all in my case. In fact, one can experience time >shifts in the amount of delay between audio and video as a program >progresses. It may be more or less out of sync at varying points >in the program. That is true, but that does not address my question. Changing channels or r

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>The iPhone camera is lame, and it doesn't do video. I need a new camera. Nokia >[and other] phones have 5+ megapixel cameras and do very good video. No they do not do "very good" video. Have you been watching too much of the political conventions? The lenses in these phones are of miserable qua

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>At what price? I understand that we are talking 3-4 times what we >pay over here for those phones, plus you need to figure in the exchange rate. Prices are comperable. My cousin (in Italy) was dying to get one and was convinced that he could get a better deal in the USA. After looking at the

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
In the broadcast world, audio/video sync can vary depending upon how much digital video action is taking place. The more "movement" in the video (action scenes), the longer it takes to process, compared to the audio stream. The sync difference is measurable in a piece as short as one minute long.

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread maruca
On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:33 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: The main reason to get one in Europe is to have it unlocked from the start. H. When I was looking over phones during my stay in France I was informed that the rule was: locked for the first 6 months, then French law insists that they must

[CGUYS] AV Technology Refresh & Refresher

2008-09-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
All; Time for the Taylor household to do an audio-visual technology refresh, and to do that I need a refresher from the knowledgeable folks on this list. What I currently have: Comcast digital cable - the only broadband choice here in the sticks. Don't really want to go satellite for TV

Re: [CGUYS] Backing up desktop

2008-09-04 Thread Tony B
This is an assumption. Windows is *often* installed on the c drive, and if it is, then the desktop is *probably* on the c drive. But if e.g. any removable drives were in the system when Windows was installed, then it would install itself to a later drive letter. I have a system now where the deskto

Re: [CGUYS] Backing up desktop

2008-09-04 Thread Chris Dunford
> > Your desktop is on the C: drive. So you are almost > > certainly backing it up already. > > This is an assumption. Windows is *often* installed on the > c drive, and if it is, then the desktop is *probably* on > the c drive Right, and it can even go further than that. I've seen systems whe

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Constance Warner
It's not surprising that quality control issues are showing up now, and that all the bugs haven't been worked out yet. But the conversion to digital wasn't really in the interest of consumers. Switching to digital frees up the very valuable frequencies that analog TV now uses. Compared to the up

Re: [CGUYS] Data backup question

2008-09-04 Thread mike
Actually I don't think this is right. Hardware RAID does crc on the data, so corruption is almost impossible, the RAID would drop the bad drive off if it started returning errors. Of course this is moo as joey says if he is doing soft RAID. So the question is...hard or soft? Mike On Wed, Sep

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: That is true, but that does not address my question. Changing channels or restarting the set can often bring things back into sync. Remember that the least expensive box in the chain is the one you own. Your suggested solutions have never wo

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Richard P. wrote: The problem can be caused/corrected by equipment, source material, editors, and uplink/downlink operators. A transmission can have more than a dozen hops in it, with each hop introducing its own set of errors. However, there is no guaranteed solutio

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread b_s-wilk
The main reason to get one in Europe is to have it unlocked from the start. H. When I was looking over phones during my stay in France I was informed that the rule was: locked for the first 6 months, then French law insists that they must be unlocked. That 6 month wait when I was there le

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread b_s-wilk
>The iPhone camera is lame, and it doesn't do video. I need a new camera. Nokia >[and other] phones have 5+ megapixel cameras and do very good video. No they do not do "very good" video. Have you been watching too much of the political conventions? The lenses in these phones are of miserable q

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Paula Minor
While everyone is talking cellphones..I'd like input on which ones have the clearest sound on a call. I'm on Verizon and have been using the original LG Chocolate for a couple of years and I HATE it. I struggle to u nderstand what people are saying on it and it has nothing to do with

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Wifi kind of narrows it down a little with Verizon. The newer Samsung (I think SCH-i830) is a wifi phone. However Verizon locks many features and you cannot use it as a skype type phone on WIfi. I had good luck with my Samsung 730 but found it bulky. I am now on a Motorola Q9C. Smartphone

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread MrMike6by9
One of the ways the audio and the video can get out of sync is because the video is fed directly to the screen while the audio is routed through a home theater receiver (or the equivalent), for example. Better HTR's may have audio delay circuitry the user can invoke to try re-sync the two. I have n

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
I would bet that viewership will drop off after the transition due to the fact that many houses that are able to receive usable VHF analog transmissions right now will no longer be able to receive a reliable UHF digital signal. Richard P. > > >> The problem can be caused/corrected by equipment,

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread rlsimon
In Belgium there is only GSM service on networks operate in the 900 MHz or 1800 MHz bands. Some countries (including Canada and the United States) use the 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands because the 900 and 1800 MHz frequency bands were already allocated*. In the time I spent in the EU this summer, I

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
I think the clear sounding phones were called ANALOG :( I have yet to hear a decent digital phone signal over here. My relative's digital cellular phone in the UK is perfect. I'm not sure why we can't have the same quality of service over here. By the way, their phones and service are also cheaper

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Tony B
We believe you! But be aware that reports are surfacing in the wild that with different TVs, everything else being the same, one will show bad audio sync and one won't. Presumably this is the result of a bad component (or firm/software), and not an inherent design flaw with that entire model line.

Re: [CGUYS] Data backup question

2008-09-04 Thread Tony B
Remember there are like 7-8 types of RAIDs these days. I really can't remember now what the OP eventually decided on. The RAID controller itself adds a whole separate layer of complexity to controlling a disk, regardless if it's hard or soft. Don't forget - while RAIDs are rebuilding, they can be

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread rlsimon
Tell me whoever is asking, is the wifi desire to use vonage or something or is it to surf? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: WiFi mobile phone Wifi kind of narrows it down a little with Verizo

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread rlsimon
Apparently the Motorola V9 has some kind of clear talk scheme in it that is supposed to be great for clarity and noise abatement ...I'm sad to say my brother had a Moto v710 which was clear (imho as recipient) on verizon ...poor reception though in li ny and dwntn chicago ...he went for the ifone 3

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread rlsimon
I never could figure out what the dual sim thing allows ...my razrV3 apparently will support "dual nam" but that,of course, would be on the same service. ...is it that the dual sim allows you to do it with say a couple of gsm cards from different providers? ...like if one is for your work and one

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread rlsimon
In Belgium, both the razrV3 and the SamsungSync had reception and transmission CLEAR AS A BELL with pegged 5 bars in every tiny town behind hills and under overhead wires ...of course, there's one detrimental aspect ...the beautiful countryside in the ardennes that was so terribly deforested in the

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread chad evans wyatt
This is valuable reporting.  But explain to me why my Nokia n75 3g works in stellar fashion in Central Europe with local sim cards, and here in the US.  I assume an offset of 50mhz or 100mhz ought to disable my phone.  I'm just a simple foot soldier, making calls, text messaging, my phone works

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 4, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Tony B wrote: Anyway, as someone else already pointed out I think, you need to power cycle everything in your chain, not just the TV. Even if it likely won't do any good. Perhaps so, but such maneuvers should not be required in our enlightened times and with suc

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 4, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Richard P. wrote: I would bet that viewership will drop off after the transition due to the fact that many houses that are able to receive usable VHF analog transmissions right now will no longer be able to receive a reliable UHF digital signal. As for my particul

[CGUYS] MS Office Upgrade Fiasco?

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
A friend went to use their trial subscription of Office 2003 and found that it had expired. The program offered an upgrade to Office 2007. They went through the process, gave their CC# and got a Product Code which when used, was said to be invalid. They then went through the process again, only to

Re: [CGUYS] Data backup question

2008-09-04 Thread mike
Mirroring. Data loss can happen at a lot of stages. A mirror isn't going to increase your chances of losing data in itself. He had three drives, all with the same data...seems reasonable to me. Mike On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember there are like 7

Re: [CGUYS] MS Office Upgrade Fiasco?

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
They got ripped off. MS does not sell a product code without disks for 2007 for retail. Stewart At 03:22 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: A friend went to use their trial subscription of Office 2003 and found that it had expired. The program offered an upgrade to Office 2007. They went through the pr

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
FYI, there's a simple piece of commercial equipment in use today to adjust for lip sync errors. All it requires is someone to input the signal into it, adjust it, and then monitor the output. Master control at the final broadcast point could do this if directed to. That would take care the simple s

[CGUYS] Verizon FIOS misinformation?

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
Two Verizon sales guys were out today selling FIOS. During the conversation, they announced that that analog Cox cable TV was going to go away as of February 2009. I told them that I didn't think this was the case but they insisted that this was so, even though Cox is constantly running commercials

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon FIOS misinformation?

2008-09-04 Thread mike
You aren't missing anything except you should keep a more critical view of sales people. They were lying to you. Mike On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Richard P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Two Verizon sales guys were out today selling FIOS. During the > conversation, they announced that that a

Re: [CGUYS] MS Office Upgrade Fiasco?

2008-09-04 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
I don't mean to start at the beginning- but WHAT upgrade? They did NOT have a valid 2003 copy and they tried to upgrade? That does NOT justify two charges- but it also sounds like they may have had a bootlegged version (one from overseas) that led to the financial conversion charge. I have had N

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Steve Rigby
On Sep 4, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Richard P. wrote: FYI, there's a simple piece of commercial equipment in use today to adjust for lip sync errors. All it requires is someone to input the signal into it, adjust it, and then monitor the output. Master control at the final broadcast point could do this

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon FIOS misinformation?

2008-09-04 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Richard P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Two Verizon sales guys were out today selling FIOS. During the > conversation, they announced that that analog Cox cable TV was going > to go away as of February 2009. I told them that I didn't think this > was the case but th

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
Yes, and it can be had for less than $8,000. Peanuts in the broadcast budget. See product notes below signature. Most stations already have this but use it for other things. Richard P. Leitch Technology has introduced the X75 HD, a versatile up-, down- and cross converter and HD frame synchronize

Re: [CGUYS] MS Office Upgrade Fiasco?

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
Perhaps I should have used the word convert is describing this issue. What was offered was them was to convert to Office 2007. This was the only option the MS Office program offered them when they tried to use the program. In their subsequent conversation with Microsoft, MS said that the seller was

Re: [CGUYS] MS Office Upgrade Fiasco?

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There still needs to be some media involved. 2003 Office cannot magically be changed to 2007 with the inputting of a number. They are drastically different. There has to be some media involved or at least a very large download. My church bought a new PC last year and we got office 2007 with

Re: [CGUYS] Backing up desktop

2008-09-04 Thread Michael S. Altus
Vicky Staubly In this case, appearances can be deceiving. Try this. Open up your C drive, then "Documents And Setting". In there, you should see a few folders, one for "All Users" and one for each user that logs into that computer. Open up the one corresponding to the username you use. Inside t

Re: [CGUYS] Out of sync

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Switching to digital frees up the very valuable frequencies that analog >TV now uses. They needed the money to finance foreign wars. I wonder if there will be any money leftover. * ** List info, subscription management, l

Re: [CGUYS] MS Office Upgrade Fiasco?

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
The MS omission was just an error on my part and not intentional. More information is better. Sorry. Richard P. > There still needs to be some media involved. 2003 Office cannot magically > be changed to 2007 with the inputting of a number. > > They are drastically different. There has to be s

Re: [CGUYS] MS Office Upgrade Fiasco?

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Appreciate it. They are still owed a hard disk from the vendor they bought it from. Plus a refund for the extra. Bad system as far as I am concerned. At present I have seen home and student 2007 office's suites for sale at Big box office stores for less than $100.00 his week. Stewart At

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Paula Minor
I had good luck with my Samsung 730 but found it bulky. I am now on a Motorola Q9C. Smartphone not PPC. The Samsung is a PPC. Daughter has a newer Choclate but those are now defunct. Son-in- law got LG Venus, and they like them. Stewart Stewart, I'm mainly concerned with the clarity of

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Paula Minor
I too would like to hear about any phone/service that has a clear sound. Ours isn't and we are using Nokia on Cingular. ahhh,Richard. Thanks for that disappointing input. I guess. I had heard Nokias had clear sound but apparently that isn't the case? The Nokia E71 sounded great but it says

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Paula Minor
Tell me whoever is asking, is the wifi desire to use vonage or something or is it to surf? It was to surf and do email without having to also buy a data plan from Verizon. I wouldn't be using it enough to warrant the data plan. Paula/IN/USA ***

Re: [CGUYS] Data backup question

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
> Actually I don't think this is right. Hardware RAID does crc on the data, > so corruption is almost impossible, the RAID would drop the bad drive off if > it started returning errors. Of course this is moo as joey says if he is > doing soft RAID. So the question is...hard or soft? You keep w

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I refuse tog et a data plan from Verizon, over priced for what they are. 29.95 for web and email per month??? Come on Check out Samsung, I know it is a Windows based phone but I think ther eare som Mac interfaces for those type phones. Also note Palm is coming out with a centro style

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Wifi will give you that ability. Palm I believe does not have Wifi and I do not think that Palm has a browser on their system. Palm's do work good with the Verizon. Stewart At 08:35 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: ahhh,Richard. Thanks for that disappointing input. I guess. I had heard Nokias had

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Richard P.
For clarification, it is a Nokia 6010. Don't know what other Nokia' phones sound like. I've always assumed that the poor sound had more to do with the service than the phone. Richard P. >> I too would like to hear about any phone/service that has a clear >> sound. Ours isn't and we are using Noki

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I mispoke I think he has a voyager, but to answer your question, crystal. (It is the touch screen with slide out keypad.) We have a large coverage by Verizon in this area, and they pretty much have the best service here. Stewart At 08:31 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: Stewart, I'm mainly concer

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread mike
So you are suggesting to take the illegal route? Interesting... On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Would you know off the top of your head which ones? > > Most of them. In France and Belgium it is illegal to lock phones. In > Italy carriers are not allowed

Re: [CGUYS] Data backup question

2008-09-04 Thread mike
That's what CRC does...why do you think it won't? You could possibly argue that if you have a bad controler that still functions 98% AND a bad hard drive that still gives the illusion of working that this could happen...otherwise this makes no sense. And under your way, with one drive in the box

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Combination of the two. Check out Cnet reviews they usually put the phones through their paces and will let you know if they get clear or bad reception. Stewart At 08:54 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: For clarification, it is a Nokia 6010. Don't know what other Nokia' phones sound like. I've alway

[CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Review: Google Chrome lacks polish under the hood

2008-09-04 Thread Stewart Marshall
?guid=20080904/48bf5d40_3ca6_15526200809041729695920 = myEarthLink News http://my.earthlink.net/channel/NEWS * ** List info, subscription management, list rules

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>The iPhone has a SIM card slot that can be accessed with the traditional >Apple "special tool". It doesn't have a memory card slot, and that's the >big deal breaker. Most other phones in the same class have memory card >slots. The iPhone is fine for local use, but I wouldn't want it to be my >

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Wifi will give you that ability. Palm I believe does not have Wifi >and I do not think that Palm has a browser on their system. My Palm Tungsten C has WiFi. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
But it is not a phone. Why pal did not include it on the treos is beyond me. Stewart At 09:21 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >Wifi will give you that ability. Palm I believe does not have Wifi >and I do not think that Palm has a browser on their system. My Palm Tungsten C has WiFi. *

Re: [CGUYS] Data backup question

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Okay. Now I understand the RAID fetish. You are not worrying about the logical structure of the drive. You are focusing on the hardware and testing bits and bytes as they go by. CRC has nothing to do with the logical structure of the drive, just the bits and bytes as they are being transferred.

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Review: Google Chrome la

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Review: Google Chrome lacks polish under the hood >http://my.earthlink.net/article/tec?guid=20080904/48bf5d40_3ca6_1552620080 >9041729695920 Thanks (I think). This is a mighty strange review. The guy spends much of his report ranting against Flash. He says IE is better than other

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread chad evans wyatt
Palm T/X has wi-fi, bluetooth, sync for mac, and allows browsing the web. --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 4,

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>But it is not a phone. Good point. I am happier keeping these two functions separate for now. There is no monthly fee for using my PDA and my pay-go cell phone costs me about $70 per year. And the number of features I must have on my digital camera will not be available on a cell phone for y

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
>So you are suggesting to take the illegal route? Interesting... That is not illegal. It may or may not break a contract, but it is a contract that I did not sign. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, arch

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have a hard time thinking that you can get a good camera into a good phone. The resulting appliance would be too bulky and too big. Lenses are the key. Any good camera has good lenses. Cheap lenses give you bad results. To put a good set of lenses into a phone would require a decent amou

[CGUYS] dual SIM [was: WiFi mobile phone]

2008-09-04 Thread b_s-wilk
I never could figure out what the dual sim thing allows ...my razrV3 apparently will support "dual nam" but that,of course, would be on the same service. ...is it that the dual sim allows you to do it with say a couple of gsm cards from different providers? ...like if one is for your work and on

Re: [CGUYS] Data backup question

2008-09-04 Thread mike
So then how do you correct soft errors? You seem to have a soft fetish...I want to protect both, you don't seem to feel the need to protect the hardware side. Hence why you keep talking about mtbf. Are not we better off trying to do our best protecting all types of errors? If I hire a IT manager

Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Review: Google Chrome la

2008-09-04 Thread mike
h under the hood > > > http://my.earthlink.net/article/tec?guid=20080904/48bf5d40_3ca6_1552620080 > >9041729695920 > > Thanks (I think). > > This is a mighty strange review. The guy spends much of his report > ranting against Flash. He says IE is better than other browsers be

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon FIOS misinformation?

2008-09-04 Thread Eric S. Sande
Two Verizon sales guys were out today selling FIOS. During the conversation, they announced that that analog Cox cable TV was going to go away as of February 2009. Analog BROADCASTS are going away as of February 2009. I don't know if this means analog cable is going away. I suspect that it is,

Re: [CGUYS] WiFi mobile phone

2008-09-04 Thread betty
I have a hard time thinking that you can get a good camera into a good phone. The resulting appliance would be too bulky and too big. Lenses are the key. Any good camera has good lenses. Cheap lenses give you bad results. To put a good set of lenses into a phone would require a decent amount