[css-d] To table or not to table...

2006-01-23 Thread Thomas Hall
That is the question I poised in my online college Web Programming HTML course at the Univ. of Phoenix. I raised some issues with the demo web site the school uses to teach beginning html to students. It relies solely on tables and nested tables for its layout. I initiated a discussion thread as to

[css-d] Internet Explorer 6 | 1px white border at the right edge

2006-01-23 Thread Gustavo Pimenta
Hi! I've a problem in the way Internet Explorer 6 displays the header of this site http://woat2006.ist.utl.pt/ . There is 1px white border at the right edge. Anybody as any ideas how to resolve this problem? Thanks! Gustavo

Re: [css-d] SOLVED text vertical align middle

2006-01-23 Thread Sander van Surksum
Thanks for the help I've solved it and the menu works fine in all browsers except ie 5.2 on the mac then you don't see the background color of id navlist2 See : http://www.johnsten.com/test/menu.htm Regards. Sander -Original Message- From: Roger Roelofs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [css-d] To table or not to table...

2006-01-23 Thread Roger Roelofs
Tom, On Jan 23, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Thomas Hall wrote: > What I am hoping to gather from this group are some references I can > provide > as to why tables should be used or limited to tabular data only and not > relied on for a site's entire layout presentation. Well, it doesn't get much more au

Re: [css-d] css-d Digest, Vol 38, Issue 42

2006-01-23 Thread Jim Ryan
5. Floats Not Behaving in IE (Chris Akins) Page: http://www.springfieldmogov.org/egov/planning_development/planTest2.html CSS with the float rules in question: http://www.springfieldmogov.org/css/plan.css Additional CSS Page: http://www.springfieldmogov.org/css/pw_oper.css Problem: Three float

[css-d] 3 column liquid layout and footer problem...

2006-01-23 Thread Jon Ratcliffe
Hello, I am trying to create a source ordered (center column to come first) three column liquid layout and understand that the only way to do this may be with absolutely positioned div's (for the left column at least). I need the left and right columns to be a fixed width and the centre column to

Re: [css-d] 3 column liquid layout and footer problem...

2006-01-23 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/23/06, Jon Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone point me in the direction of a non scripting work around to > this, if one exists, or perhaps another way to create source ordered > columns/footer without absolute positioning? Source ordered liquid center with elastic left and rig

Re: [css-d] CSS Technique Resource

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Holly Bergevin wrote: >From: Tyson Tate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>Anyways: My rationale for not doing so on the list's wiki is because >>the wiki serves as a comprehensive resource whereas what I'm creating >>is a much quicker and more concise list. I don't plan on using >>outdated techn

[css-d] Broken border in IE and Mac browser check

2006-01-23 Thread christine ce
Hello all, I'm a newbie on this list and still learning to build css-based sites. I have a problem on this page: http://tinyurl.com/9me7n* *In Firefox it's fine but in IE the left border on the content div is broken. Can anyone explain why and what I can do to fix it? In addition could anyone

Re: [css-d] CSS alternative to 3X3 table?

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Joe Blow wrote: >I was trying to research an alternative to using tables for a 3X3 layout grid. >As an example, I've posted this page: http://earthday.ca/temp/index.html. The >middle-center slice (r3_c2.jpg) is where the content would go, and it should >expand vertically to accomodate any heigh

Re: [css-d] Doctype and CSS

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Jim Nannery wrote: >If your document is in "Standard" mode browsers will use the modern Box >model. In "Quirks" mode browsers will render the mark up using the old IE >5x box model. > > Just to clarify -- not all browsers will use IE 5's box model when in Quirks Mode, just IE 6 will. Other

Re: [css-d] Broken border in IE and Mac browser check

2006-01-23 Thread christine ce
Thanks Roger, On 1/23/06, Roger Roelofs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IE has a known problem with 1px dotted borders. The only fix I know > of is to create a background image and repeat-y it to simulate a > dotted border. Otherwise you could change it to a 2px border. Only it's not a dotted

Re: [css-d] What css will DreamWeaver display?

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Jeff Moyes wrote: >Does anyone know of a reference anywhere that lists the css that >Macromedia's DreamWeaver supports in its internal rendering engine? > > No, and such a thing would be extremely difficult to create. Most of its CSS bugs aren't as simple as "doesn't support the property mi

Re: [css-d] Organizing CSS

2006-01-23 Thread Adam Kuehn
At 05:37 AM 1/21/2006, Jesse Skinner wrote: >Bill Moseley wrote: > > I just looking for a few tips on how to organize CSS files. > >Of course there's no one-right-way to do this, but here's what I would >suggest. Have one master CSS file, say style.css, that every page >references. Inside the style

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 6 | 1px white border at the right edge

2006-01-23 Thread Gustavo Pimenta
Rahul, > I'm sorry - I can't seem to see the problem on my machine (IE6/ > WinXPSP2). Perhaps I am merely unable to see the white border, or > have you fixed the problem? My PC machine as the same setup as yours... I've made a screenshot of the problem: http://woat2006.ist.utl.pt/woat2006_p

Re: [css-d] Broken border in IE and Mac browser check

2006-01-23 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Christine: christine ce wrote: > Thanks Roger, > > On 1/23/06, Roger Roelofs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> IE has a known problem with 1px dotted borders. The only fix I know >> of is to create a background image and repeat-y it to simulate a >> dotted border. Otherwise you could change it

[css-d] Layout Falling Apart in IE 6

2006-01-23 Thread jamie cantrell
Below is a link to a rough template that I'm working on for a friend. It completely falls apart in IE 6, but looks fine in Firefox 1.5, Opera 8.5, and Netscape 8. I'm in the process of trying to de-bug, but would greatly appreciate a fresh set of eyes. Thanks for your help. www.kzassociates.co

Re: [css-d] Broken border in IE and Mac browser check

2006-01-23 Thread christine ce
Thanks Rahul On 1/23/06, Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The mystery deepens. If you're on a slow-ish connection (x<512k), you'll > notice that the border is present - i.e. - not broken before the images > load. > > Screenshot [1]. Yes I had noticed that too, it makes it even w

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 6 | 1px white border at the right edge

2006-01-23 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Gustavo: Gustavo Pimenta wrote: > My PC machine as the same setup as yours... I still can't see your problem. I've added a screenshot of my own to the confusion :-). [1] It's rather large as I saved it at "12" in PS, so that you can enlarge it and see that there is, in fact, no 1px shift. Either

Re: [css-d] Problem with floating with absolute width and 100% width

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Jasper Kuperus wrote: >Recently I've been working on the accessibility of one of my websites >(http://www.overhoorjesuf.nl/). I've been through the whole website with >a blind internet user. Out of accessibility reasons its better to switch >the menu and content in the source from place (#menu

Re: [css-d] Image -- text -- image

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Keith Kaiser wrote: >I want to put text between two images, > >. > > >Some kind of text here >with a too > > > >I would like it to be fluid so that spacing happens by default and the >entire thing is already in my main content div set. It would be best if >wrapper were set to

Re: [css-d] problem printing textarea

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
C. Sitaram Reddy wrote: >When I print a page (in IE 6.0, FireFox 1.5), text that is far to the right >on the screen is getting chopped off. I have > >textarea {height:auto; overflow:visible;} > >in my stylesheet for print. Having the same problem with drop down lists, >too. > > Please post th

Re: [css-d] Printing issues, 2-column, in both IE & FF

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
re: http://www.tincat-group.com/mewsings Dawn Wolthuis wrote: >On 1/20/06, Zoe M. Gillenwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I would strongly suggest that you create a print style sheet that >>removes the second column entirely. >> >> > >I considered that. However, the second column has

Re: [css-d] Internet Explorer 6 | 1px white border at the right edge

2006-01-23 Thread Gustavo Pimenta
Strange... I've tried everything to fix the problem, but it's still there :-( Thanks anyway, Rahul! On Jan 23, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Rahul Gonsalves wrote: > Gustavo: > > Gustavo Pimenta wrote: >> My PC machine as the same setup as yours... > I still can't see your problem. I've added a screenshot

Re: [css-d] To table or not to table...

2006-01-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas Hall wrote: > What I am hoping to gather from this group are some references I can provide > as to why tables should be used or limited to tabular data only and not > relied on for a site's entire layout presentation. Have you looked at the WIKI? Here is a start: http://css-discuss.incut

[css-d] Best practice layout widths

2006-01-23 Thread Christian Montoya
Hello all, I am going to make some example layouts involving liquid and elastic widths. I am looking for some best practices on making an accessible layout. Here are some options I am considering: - a fluid layout with em based max-width - an elastic layout with max-width 100% - an elastic layout

Re: [css-d] Layout Falling Apart in IE 6

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
jamie cantrell wrote: >Below is a link to a rough template that I'm working on for a friend. It >completely falls apart in IE 6, but looks fine in Firefox 1.5, Opera 8.5, >and Netscape 8. I'm in the process of trying to de-bug, but would greatly >appreciate a fresh set of eyes. Thanks for your

Re: [css-d] What css will DreamWeaver display?

2006-01-23 Thread Jeff Moyes
All, Also, I should add a big +1 for what Zoe says about "No, and such a thing would be extremely difficult to create. Most of its CSS bugs aren't as simple as 'doesn't support the property min-width' or something, but are more dependent on the particular combination of things that is going on

[css-d] bullets align outside list

2006-01-23 Thread jeremy
I am having trouble making the bullets in this list to align outside the list. Instead, the text in each is so long, that is wraps around under the bullet each time. I am talking about the vertical list on the _left hand side _of the page http://tct2005.com/inprocess/ I cleaned it up and reduc

Re: [css-d] What css will DreamWeaver display?

2006-01-23 Thread Lori Hylan-Cho
> Having said that though, I do see some value in knowing > whether a given rendering engine even begins to support > a given feature or not This is especially true given that your friend is trying to create a Dreamweaver extension -- viewing the extension in a browser is totally irrelevant. Ho

[css-d] IE6 Handling of Margins In Floated DIVs

2006-01-23 Thread Storm, Dan
If I set a container 600 pixels wide and put three 200 pixel wide container DIVs inside FF1.5 is happy and so is IE6. As I add left and right padding and/or left and right borders, stepping up the container width proportionally keeps both browsers happy. If, however, I step up the margin (with o

Re: [css-d] IE6 Handling of Margins In Floated DIVs

2006-01-23 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
> If I set a container 600 pixels wide and put three 200 pixel wide > container DIVs inside FF1.5 is happy and so is IE6. As I add left and > right padding and/or left and right borders, stepping up the container > width proportionally keeps both browsers happy. If, however, I step up the > margin

Re: [css-d] IE6 Handling of Margins In Floated DIVs (RESOLVED)

2006-01-23 Thread Storm, Dan
-Original Message- From: Nick Fitzsimons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:01 AM To: Storm, Dan Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] IE6 Handling of Margins In Floated DIVs > If I set a container 600 pixels wide and put three 200 pixel wide >

[css-d] FYI: CSS Constants wiki page updated

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
I changed the name of the wiki page ChangingTheColorScheme to ConstantsInCSS to better reflect its content and purpose. I cleaned up some of the text on the page at that time as well, but I didn't touch the text listed under Option 3, since PHP and other server-side stuff is not my area of expe

[css-d] CSS Formatting Revisited:

2006-01-23 Thread Cory Perry
Hey everyone, Well, after 3 hours of unsuccessful tries I am coming back to you guys in hopes that this problem can be solved. My CSS code is losing all of it's formatting when viewed in a browser. I am writing the code in Dreamweaver 8 and it is perfectly styled just like I want it. However,

Re: [css-d] CSS Formatting Revisited:

2006-01-23 Thread Lori Hylan-Cho
> I went in to DW8 and under the Preferences you can set the > CODE FORMAT > properties. Hi Cory This is pretty far off-topic for this list and would probably be better discussed in a Dreamweaver forum (see http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/index.cfm?forumid=12). Having said th

Re: [css-d] problem printing textarea

2006-01-23 Thread C. Sitaram Reddy
>From: Zoe M. Gillenwater > >C. Sitaram Reddy wrote: > > >When I print a page (in IE 6.0, FireFox 1.5), text that is far to the >right > >on the screen is getting chopped off. I have > > > >textarea {height:auto; overflow:visible;} > > > >in my stylesheet for print. Having the same problem with dr

Re: [css-d] problem printing textarea

2006-01-23 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
C. Sitaram Reddy wrote: >>>When I print a page (in IE 6.0, FireFox 1.5), text that is far to the right >>> >>> >>>on the screen is getting chopped off. I have >>> >>>textarea {height:auto; overflow:visible;} >>> >>>in my stylesheet for print. Having the same problem with drop down lists, >>>

Re: [css-d] problem printing textarea

2006-01-23 Thread Pringle, Ron
C. Sitaram Reddy Wrote: > >From: Zoe M. Gillenwater > > > >C. Sitaram Reddy wrote: > > > > >When I print a page (in IE 6.0, FireFox 1.5), text that is > far to the > >right > > >on the screen is getting chopped off. I have > > > > > >textarea {height:auto; overflow:visible;} > > > > > >in my sty

Re: [css-d] problem printing textarea

2006-01-23 Thread Pringle, Ron
I mistakenly wrote: > The problem is the overflow:visible declaration. This is causing the > content to overflow the container, no matter what the container > dimensions are. So even though the browser can scale the > container since > you've not defined its dimensions, the actual content is > s

[css-d] Padding/Margin problem - different in IE6 and Firefox

2006-01-23 Thread JJ
On the following site I have a two column layout with the left and right hand columns using the following, respectively: #nav { width: 175px; float: left; padding: 55px 17px 100px 17px; } #content { margin-left: 175px; width: 540px; padding: 25px 15px; vertical-align: top; border-right:

Re: [css-d] Padding/Margin problem - different in IE6 and Firefox

2006-01-23 Thread Duckworth, Nigel
JJ wrote: --- http://fortcollinsincubator.org The problem is that in Firefox the first few items within the page are pushed right, as if they have added padding. This effect goes away down the page, seemingly at a random point, like in the middle of a paragraph, then the rest of the page is OK

[css-d] Calling a class within a class

2006-01-23 Thread Paul Kahl
Is it possilble to do something like this: .clsBold {font-weight: bold;} .clsItalic {font-style: italic;} .clsRed {color: #F00;} .clsTitleDiv {clsBold; clsItalic; clsRed;} In other words, can I call a previously defined class inside another class, in some fashion, thus saving me time and code?

Re: [css-d] Calling a class within a class

2006-01-23 Thread Matthew Levine
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Paul Kahl wrote: > Is it possilble to do something like this: > > .clsBold {font-weight: bold;} > .clsItalic {font-style: italic;} > .clsRed {color: #F00;} > > .clsTitleDiv {clsBold; clsItalic; clsRed;} > > In other words, can I call a previously defined class inside

Re: [css-d] bullets align outside list

2006-01-23 Thread jeremy
I think you are on the right track with that... however it doesnt seem to be working for me in IE. I am playing around with some other configurations. I might just drop the need for a bullet there, and opt to alternate the color of the BG on each. Zach Shepherd wrote: > Did you try adding "padd

Re: [css-d] Calling a class within a class

2006-01-23 Thread Paul Kahl
Thanks for the input. I'm constantly freaking out about reusability. I'm writing my first ASP.Net aps, and .Net code is heavy enough without having to load a 50k stylesheet on top of it. I try to just multi-class tags, but sometimes that gets sloppy. I'll take a look into CSS-SSC and see if it's a

Re: [css-d] bullets align outside list

2006-01-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> I am having trouble making the bullets in this list to align >> outside the >> list. list-style-position: outside; http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#propdef-list-style-position -- Joel Goldstick www.columbuswebmakers.com

[css-d] Overflow problem in FF

2006-01-23 Thread Well Damn
I have a simple div which contains another div filled with lists. When the outer div is smaller than the larger div, i'd like it to hide the text -- not wrap. The code below works fine in IE, can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong for firefox? A test div.A test div.A

Re: [css-d] Calling a class within a class

2006-01-23 Thread Michael Hulse
On Jan 23, 2006, at 3:12 PM, Paul Kahl wrote: > Thanks for the input. I'm constantly freaking out about reusability. > I'm writing my first ASP.Net aps, and .Net code is heavy enough > without having to load a 50k stylesheet on top of it. I try to just > multi-class tags, but sometimes that gets

Re: [css-d] Overflow problem in FF

2006-01-23 Thread Adam Kuehn
Well Damn wrote: >When the outer div is smaller than the larger div, i'd like it to hide >the text -- not wrap. The code below works fine in IE, can anyone >suggest what I'm doing wrong for firefox? > > > > >A test div.A test div.A test div.A test div.A test >div.A test

Re: [css-d] Calling a class within a class

2006-01-23 Thread Paul Novitski
At 03:12 PM 1/23/2006, Paul Kahl wrote: >I'm constantly freaking out about reusability. I'm >writing my first ASP.Net aps, and .Net code is heavy enough without having >to load a 50k stylesheet on top of it. Hmm, if your stylesheet is 50K that could indicate a problem in itself. I would try to

Re: [css-d] Overflow problem in FF

2006-01-23 Thread Well Damn
That's the complete page (minus html/body and doctype tags). What I deleted by accident prior to posting is placing "nowrap" within the inner div -- that changes the behavior between the two browsers. My intent here is to have a div that doens't wrap content based on the width of the div. I unde

Re: [css-d] Overflow problem in FF

2006-01-23 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 24 Jan 2006, at 11:01 am, Well Damn wrote: > That's the complete page (minus html/body and doctype tags). What I > deleted by accident prior to posting is placing "nowrap" within the > inner div -- that changes the behavior between the two browsers. My > intent here is to have a div that doe

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2006-01-23 Thread Brian Ogden
Ok I am learning xhtml and CSS. I am not at all new to web development but relying heavily on CSS is new to me. Is align="center" deprecated for XHTML? Also how do I align content center with div tags. I am trying not to use any tables. All I want is my "navBar" to align center on the page. It d

Re: [css-d]

2006-01-23 Thread Al Sparber
From: "Brian Ogden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ok I am learning xhtml and CSS. I am not at all new to web > development but relying heavily on CSS is new to me. Is > align="center" deprecated for XHTML? Yes. Also how do I align content center with div tags. I am trying not to use any tables. All

Re: [css-d]

2006-01-23 Thread Paul Novitski
At 07:32 PM 1/23/2006, Brian Ogden wrote: >Also how do I align content center with div tags. I am trying not to >use any tables. All I want is my "navBar" to align center on the page. >It doesn't work with text-align or >margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto; or align="center" in the div >tag. I ca

Re: [css-d] Best practice layout widths

2006-01-23 Thread David Hucklesby
Hi Christian, You said: > ... Here are some options I am considering: > > - a fluid layout with em based max-width > - an elastic layout with max-width 100% > - an elastic layout without max-width > Another layout I'd suggest is Mike Purvis's Jello layout[1]. My screen is 1440 pixels wide - wi

[css-d] Is there a good Safari emulator for WinXP?

2006-01-23 Thread {tonyFelice}
Or do one of the other windows browsers approximate it? I ask this of this list, only because there seem to be so many knowledgeable people here using Safari. The issue that I am specifically having is related to JS and not CSS in this case, but I _would_ like to be able to ensure that pages I bu

Re: [css-d] Is there a good Safari emulator for WinXP?

2006-01-23 Thread Mike Soultanian
{tonyFelice} wrote: > Or do one of the other windows browsers approximate it? > Hey Tony, So far for me, firefox and safari have been pretty neck and neck, except for form boxes. I think that there are issues when trying to format form input boxes with safari because the OS likes to control it

Re: [css-d] Is there a good Safari emulator for WinXP?

2006-01-23 Thread Roy Schestowitz
_/ On Tue 24 Jan 2006 06:14:36 GMT, [{tonyFelice}] wrote : \_ > Or do one of the other windows browsers approximate it? > > I ask this of this list, only because there seem to be so many knowledgeable > people here using Safari. The issue that I am specifically having is > related to JS a