From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Why do my chickens thrash about when I have severed the spine? They
>thrash their wings for up to a minute, with considerable force, despite
>the complete severance of the spine.
Steve,
Good point. Looking about it from the
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Now you see _this_ is what Section 5(1)(b) of the Firearms Act 1968
>was intended for. ;)
Steve,
I take your rhetorical point but the debates on the Firearms Act
of 1920 which the '68 Act amends refereed to "dea
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hunters put the screws to a bird called the Passenger Pigeon. It went
extinct about 1900. I remember reading about it as a youth in disbelief. I
thought surely it couldn't have been hunters it must have been habitat loss.
Being a hunte
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>As we all know, the body does the last thing the brain
>told it to do e.g. the decapitated Chicken that runs away
>headless - the last command the body received.
>>Nah, the chicken thrashes because his CNS has been severed, i
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The London Telegraph
European army and political union were planned by Nazis
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000111676745840&rtmo=weQ50Meb&atmo=9
999&
pg=/et/01/2/15/nkew15.ht
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Saxon is not like the Norman.
His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious
till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow
with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, &
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Security is mostly a superstition. Avoiding danger is no safer
in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring
adventure or nothing." - Helen Keller
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>(a usually reliable source)
>
>March 18th 2001 - Mark That Day
>
>So are you going on the Countryside March on March 18th? Are you quite
>certain you are? One of the 150,000 already registered, perhaps? W
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fears over moves to extend powers of military police
Special report: policing crime
Martin Bright, home affairs correspondent
Sunday February 4, 2001
The Observer
The Ministry of Defence police force is to be transformed in
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evening Standard London 31/1/01
Yard summit as gun gang crime reaches peak in London new
by JUSTIN DAVENPORT
THE SCALE of gun violence between feuding black drug gangs in London
has reached crisis levels with one shooting repo
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>What utter cobblers. My wife, a school teacher, comes home most nights
>to recount this sort of "I know what I can get away with, and what
>you've got to do" behaviour by pre-teenage urchins who deserve nothing
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telegrpah ISSUE 2063Wednesday 17 January 2001
Hunting Bill 'risks constitutional clash' By Charles Clover, Environment
Editor
THE Government's attempt to push the Hunting Bill into law using the
Parli
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Sun TUESDAY, 23 JANUARY, 2001
Who do you think you are kidding, Little Hitler?
Get a life ... hunt
protesters should mind their own business THERE'S a brilliant wartime
propaganda film called Went The Day Well, based on
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This quote is from the 1953 presentation to George C. Marshall and
includes this
Marshall quote by a member of the Committee,
"'There has long been an effort to outlaw war for exactly the same
reason
that man has outlawed
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Finally, A registration scheme that makes sense
SENSIBLE GUN REGISTRATION VERMONT
Source: America 1st Freedom magazine
Published: Jan 2001
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second
Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No 10 rebukes Hoey in gun row
The Guardian.
Sarah Hall political correspondent
Thursday January 4, 2001
Downing Street last night slapped down the outspoken sports minister Kate
Hoey after she attacked the ban on handguns introduced
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Hey, I realise it is all semantics, but I can make a pretty good argument
that all rights, especially human rights, ARE _property_ rights. My rights
start with the absolute and unequivocal ownership of my own body. I am my
own property,
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>For the Police Federation to now claim that they were the first to demand
>the banning of handguns is a gross falsehood.
>Perhaps the police officers on our list would like to contact the
>Federation and ask why it is reduced to
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I've always thought this poll is completely meaningless because it
>is a poll of a sample of all police officers. If they did a poll
>purely of patrol officers who patrol high-crime urban areas I
>suspect the results woul
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Allow me this: My perception from the past
>discussions is that IG understands that the current law
>is indeed in violation of the top law, but because he
>has sworn an oath to uphold 'the' law, that he is not
>at liber
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Yes but as you say the statute law has been differently
>interpreted in recent years. With reference cases by
>way of 'stated cases' taking preference over the Bill
>of Rights, etc.
>Unless there can be a well docume
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>It really is most difficult to see any connection between this type of
>>argument and the real world. Are you really saying that the will of the
>>people today cannot overturn an agreement made three hundred years ago by
&g
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AND A FINAL THOUGHT ON JUDICIAL ACTIVISM...
"You seem...to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all
Constitutional questions: a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one,
which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to make black powder
This is for historical purposes only. I am NOT advising you to
manufacture black powder nor do I take any responsibility for any
damage that might occur to you, others, various property, sheep,
goats, federal
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.sierratimes.com/dantre.htm
Gun Rights: Power to the People
by Jeff Dantre' Posted 11.30.00
Why don't the politicians want us to own weapons? What are the politicians
afraid of? That we're all going to kill each oth
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"..good intentions will be confounded by a tyranny of mediocrity that must
arise when educators, politicians and judges legislate equal outcomes rather
than create opportunity -- yet never for themselves or their kids."
David CO
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brown Bess
The Army Musket -- 1700-1815
by Rudyard Kipling
In the days of lace-ruffles, perukes and brocade
Brown Bess was a partner whom none could despise--
An out-spoken, flinty-lipped brazen-faced jade,
With a habit of looking me
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The European Police Force - A New Threat To Britons
Lindsay Jenkins
A few years ago the idea of an EU police force would have been laughable.
And even more laughable would have been the suggestion that the British
police would take their o
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Page 75 quotes the case of Bowles v. Bank of England confirms that the Bill
>of Rights remains an operative statute BTW. Page 10 contains the following
>passage;
>>... cannot the 1920's set of restraints be challenged as
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I think it is erroneous to argue that no controls existed prior
>to 1920, because people ignore the Defence of the Realm regulations
>in force during the Great War. The prospect of those controls
>being lifted is what led to the Fir
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>If you lawfully hold a firearm for, say, shooting deer, there is absolutely
>nothing wrong in using it for self defence in the home PROVIDED that:
>It is the minimum force required in the circumstances.
>It is proportional to the pe
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Doesnt alter my own opinion that there are some people who should not be
>allowed near to any form of weapon, even though they have not been
convicted
>of any offence.
IG,
Quite so. The Firearms Act of 1920 and subsequent amendi
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>"It should be noted a person who remains on his own property may with
>impunity go around positively festooned with weapons. If he has a firearm
he
>would need the appropriate certificate. His house may be a veritable
>arsena
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>You can have any weapon you like in
>your own home for self-defence (except a firearm),
>even switchblades and martial arts weapons as they
>are only prohibited in public.
Steve,
Firearms for self defence in the
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<>
>OK, I will wear that one.
IG,
That is not good enough. Your Oath of Alleigance requires that you
accept the law as it is, specificaly the common law confirmed by the Bill of
Rights and the entrenching clause;
Article 7
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>What constitutes law abiding?
>Someone never convicted or someone never caught?
>"E.J. Totty"
>Your comment above, IG, either demonstrates
>your mind set, or the manner in which UK cops think
>of their fellow cit
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>But AFAIK, the police are only permitted to apply the Govt's rules and regs
>as far as firearms (and other projectile throwing objects, e.g. airguns)
are
>concerned, and that if they do such things they are themselves
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This was passed on to me and now to you all.
Particularly relavent with veterans day refections
I believe. - ciao, Wayne
Some History Worth Remembering.
Subject: IWO JIMA Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000
00:21:54 EST
Each year I am hired to go to Was
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>"All persons in whose possession any firearms may hereafter be
>found, will be deemed enemies to his majesty's government."
>
>--Gen. Gage
For the list, would you mind giving the attribute to
that quote, and
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Oh yeah, the police can enter to render assistance, e.g. if they
>hear gunshots and screaming coming from inside the house, they can
>legally enter,but they can't just waltz into someone's house when
>the mood takes them.
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The real cause of the American Revolution:
"All persons in whose possession any firearms may hereafter be
found, will be deemed enemies to his majesty's government."
--Gen. Gage
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooter
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Washington Hunting Laws"
>
> 1. Any person with a valid Washington State hunting license may
> harvest attorneys.
>
> 2. Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use
> of currency
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>The police do not have a right of entry, they have to have
>a warrant (except under some very limited circumstances).
Steve,
I like the following quote about this;
"I now deal with a species of law known as the c
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here's a handful of quotes from "Serve To Lead (An Anthology)", which is
compiled by the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.
**
"The British infantry is the finest in the world. Fortunately there are not
m
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
( Jackboot Johnny is the Australian gun banning Prime Minister- John Howard)
MARTIN ESSENBERG
Lot 7 Runnymede Estate Rd
Nanango, 4615
(07) 41-632-423 (ah)
e-mail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gun web-site- http://www.geocities.com/marsiegen/index.html
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ATF RIPS OFF ANOTHER ARIZONA GUN DEALER!
* Confiscates 274 guns and 3,000 Form 4473's
* No official arrest, no charges filed
by Angel Shamaya
Director, KeepAndBearArms.com
November 1, 2000
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcN
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To stand on the past as predicate to the present, then it stands that
>no public official can possibly preclude the exercise of a right by merely
>stating that they possess the power of office to do as they darned well
please.
>
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear All,
Can anyone recommend a type of pellet for use in a CO2
pistol. I have just acquired my first, a Walther CP 99 look-a-like. Eley
Wasp are undersized and drop out of the magazine.
Also, is there any difference between
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By David Davis.
The raid on Spain by the British navy in 1587 was, specifically, to burn,
ruin, trash and or
otherwise destroy all barrels and barrel-staves that could be found in
the territories of Spain, which would be used for the purposes
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Note: The important part of the article below is " Home Office
>officials believe that the "new agenda for reform" will
>include plans for a national police force".
>
>A national detective group and na
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Other than that, here's the best touch that could well receive
>the greatest amount of animosity:
>Amend your charter to include something to the effect that the
>members of the committee must swear an oath to uphold the Englis
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I been told that a Ward member can write to the Parish, with a number of
>seconders (not certain on number, 6 to 20 suggested), and you can formally
>request a open ballot.
Tom C,
Apparently this is valid and has been us
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAIR AS HITLER - Watch the UK die along with
democracy.
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/02/09/x-
Copyright 1998 Times Newspapers Ltd
Tuesday February 9 1999
Third Way, or Reich?
THE advent of new Labour has produced a steady
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to
the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is
eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the
consequence of hi
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Forty-two years ago, in 1958, a collection of essays by a Brit, Aldous
Huxley, was published under the name 'Brave New World Revisited'.
A short, verbatim excerpt consisting of 6 sentences from his
concluding chapter is below:
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Culture Vultures, In the Absence of Guns
by Mark Steyn
Celebrity news from theUnited Kingdom:
In April, Germaine Greer, the Australian feminist and author of The Female
Eunuch, was leaving her house in East Anglia, when a young woman ac
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>In the UK use of 'lethal force', in this case the .22
>rifle, against rioters would most likely be illegal
>except in the most extreme circumstances even if the
>intention was not to kill. Most police forces balk
>at d
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps more interesting is that exactly such a scenario was detailed in the
writings of Jeff Cooper in his book "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the
Truth." It's in a chapter called "The Rimfire in Riot Control".
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Those who tremble at the idea of personal weapons -- 'hoplophobes' is
the diagnostic term -- are fond of saying that guns are made for only one
purpose. Well, gun control serves only one purpose, too -- the
incapacitation a
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>That said, allow me the thought that any cop -- regardless of the
>nation which s/he happens to be serving in -- should be of the
mind
>that s/he is a target of opportunity
E.J.
Too blooming right. There are only two thre
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>What I want to know is, why is it those whose
>acts against liberty are almost always mouthing words
>the most profound in its support?
>And, more importantly, why is it they are
>to a man and a women the most damnable hypocrites
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Land Warrior gives platoon big advantage in field test
By Matthew Cox
FORT POLK, La. - Land Warrior has passed its first major field test,
officials say, proving the complex computer system can give infantrymen the
home-field advantage
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Yes many laws are bans. But there is an important distinction to be
>made, between the banning of objects and the banning of actions. IMO the
>banning of actions (e.g. murder, theft, fraud) is most morally sound.
>The banning of
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law
allegiance. He of all men should behave as though the
law compelled him. But it is the universal weakness of
mankind that what we are given to administer, we
presently imagine we own
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
Richard North
What is particularly delightful, but also disturbing, about the current
popular rebellion, ostensibly over fuel taxation, is the squawking
indignation of the sneering classes, the Islington man - and woman.
T
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Comment on this issue of Free Life Commentary is welcome on Libertarian
Alliance Forum. To join this new group, send e-mail to me. If already
joined, post to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sean Gabb
==
Free Life Commentary
Editor: Sean Gabb
Issue Number 4
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I wonder if anyone could help me on this subject. We wish to
>set up a mini rifle range at our home office approved club in
>order to host a few more shoots for non FAC holders.
David,
The NSRA were most helpful when one
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(From 'Monty Python')
"We would like to apologize for the way in which politicians are
represented in this presentation. It was never our intention to imply
that politicians are weak-kneed political time servers who are concerned
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I thought the emergency order was simply to allow Tony
>to jump to the front of the queue!
Steve,
If the order in Council invokes the Emergency
Powers Act of 1920 it does not give the present regime a
completely free hand.
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>A bit heavy on the coppers, or rather a bit light on
>shooting reps. I count nine in law enforcement, six
>from shooting backgrounds.
Steve,
True, and a majority are undoubtedly Crown
servants, with an obligation to res
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Shouldn't the police actually form "The Resistance"
>and arm civilians instead of helping the enemy?
Edward,
The police have a common law duty which
descends from the "Parish Constable" should en
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Not sure if that is a relevant comparison. This is the removal of
>a property right, not just a right to use something. If the Govt.
>had banned mini-buses, then it would be a different situation.
>...It's well established tha
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sounds like fun. They never let me fire RPG's in the Army Cadets. I had to
wait until I was in the TA. .
><http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/09/03/stifgnrus01003.htm
l>
Russian children to train for war
Mark Fra
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>"No retrospective legislation" does that mean that those in possesion of
>handguns at the time of the ban could keep them and that the ban only
>applied to future aquisitions?
Dave,
This common law rule is know
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Yes, but this was all within the context of the ECHR, not British law.
Steve,
The Human Rights Act directs that British law should be
interpreted in a manner which is compatible with the ECHR. It contains a
section which confirms
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Too many people live in the ethereal make-believe world
>where violence isn't suppose to exist.
E.J.,
True, but we are not alone in knowing the truth. The author of this
piece is with us, for example;
"The power
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Substitute "self defence" for the banana and "senior police officer" for ape
But, I have never heard of senior police officer who was bright enough to
suggest self defence as the answer to
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>But you are not being deprived of anything (depending on your
>interpretation) if you apply for an FAC and get turned down.
Steve,
A person who applies for an FAC for self defence in Northern
Ireland and is refused without suf
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Steve - this subject is not as off-topic as some might think, since the
>process of covering our road network with cameras has parallels with
firearms
>legislation. As with the latter, people-control by speed camera has a
curious
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I presume that you are all aware of 'civil forfeiture'?
E.J.,
It is back, firstly in drug cases and now it is available to the
Courts for other offences too. As you no doubt know it breaches Chapter 29
of Magna Carta and Ar
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>So can this senior officer be charged with "malfeasance in
>public office" then?
Steve,
Yes, if the PC's who were witnesses come forward. And then the
problems which I described in an earlier posting apply. Th
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Colorado TRT takes on Anti Defamation League
Activism/Chapters Announcement
Source: Tyranny Response Team/Colorado chapter
Posted on 08/23/2000 17:50:39 PDT by labgrade
On 6/21 the Colorado Chapter of the Tyranny Response Team had ~150-200
go
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some
higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because
they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged."
Michael Shirley
On Su
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>The appeals process in Northern Ireland is illegal because Article 6
>requires an _independent_ determination as to the actions of the police,
>and obviously the Secretary of State is not independent. The
>general interpretation
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Article 6 of the ECHR is one of the best pieces of
>legislation ever to take effect in this country, not
>least because the grossly unfair appeals process under
>the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order is illegal under it.
Steve,
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Only lethal gases banned? No it isn't! All gases are banned if my memory of
>my university degree serves me all right.
>Hence Section 5(1)(b) of the 1968 Act, I assume.
Steve,
The debates on the Firearms Act of 1920
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Should it be a more direct failure to uphold the law, say a
>police officer deliberately standing aside to allow an assault
>then they could also be charged as an accessory even though
>they took no active part. In such an exa
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Say IG knew that tomorrow he had to go and help inventory
>a pile of seized cigarettes in some town or other, and he
>didn't want to do it because he objects to cigarette taxes.
>So he stays in bed and doesn't show up
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