Re: CDR: Peace Through Trade, Redux: Medieval Iceland and the Absenceof Government

2002-12-28 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > --- begin forwarded text > > > Status: RO > Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Delivered-To: moderator for [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: "Mises Daily Article" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: I crypt you

2002-12-25 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: > What are the possible technical solutions ? Plan 9. Replace the DES component, understand small-world networks, and begin to distribute to your friends. Then everything can be encrypted at all levels transparently to the user (outside of key generation).

Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory

2002-12-25 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > Inasmuch as we cannot even build a machine which even remotely > resembles a bat, or even an ant Not accurate, we -can- build such machines today. The only catch is we have to use other bats or ants to do it. -- ___

Re: Make antibiotic resistant pathogens at home! (Re: Policing Bioterro Research)

2002-12-25 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: > I hope you are not letting the ends justify the means. As > someone here wrote it's just not right to even do a reverse > panopticon on the feebs who are building the total information > awareness surveillance on us. > > To do othewise would be failing to w

Re: Quantum Probability and Decision Theory

2002-12-25 Thread Jim Choate
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, James A. Donald wrote: > > On the other hand, our inability to emulate a nematode, or the > a portion of the retina, is grounds for concern. This does not > indicate that the mystery is QM, but does suggest that there is > some mystery -- some special quality either of

Re: Joe Strummer RIP.

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Matthew X wrote: > Strange but Rock The Casbah was a premonition of things to come at a > future date in time and space? And it was filmed right here in Austin. The F4's are landing at Bergstom back when it was a AFB. I'll leave the other locations as a test for the class ;

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: > Non-voters are NOT viewed by those in power as protesting > against the system. They are viewed as: > > a: People who are happy as fat with the way things are going. > and > b: People whose viewpoints can be totally ignored. > > So Jim, I think you ha

Re: Bruce Schneier Hullabaloo

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Neil Johnson wrote: > U, how about. > > 1. Big multi-national corporation buys off politicians to pass laws to protect > their business model (DMCA anyone ?) > 2. Gets meter maid to enforce said law. > 3. See above. > > Ahhh, I see. Let's just get rid of the middle-man (g

Re: Verdict's in: Elcomsoft NOT GUILTY of criminal DMCA violations

2002-12-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, James A. Donald wrote: > On 17 Dec 2002 at 16:43, Steve Schear wrote: > > [I'm more convinced than ever that nullification figured into the > > verdict. If so, bravo for the jury. steve] > > Both the defense and the prosecution sought to make the facts clear > and understan

Re: CDR: Re: Suspending the Constitution

2002-12-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: > > > The Volkh conspiracy blog had this Learned Hand quote recently: > > > > "I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon > > constitutions, upon laws and upon courts. These are false > > hopes;

Re: Suspending the Constitution

2002-12-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Petro wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 03:18:09PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > > > Lincoln's notion that the Constitution is suspendable during a war, or > > > other emergency conditions, was disgraceful. Nothing in the > > > Constitutio

Re: [CHOATE FIX] No quantum postcards (Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere)

2002-12-18 Thread Jim Choate
ost is a second-order > fix. I refuse to respond to the next gripe, where JC brings up quantum > postcards that take all paths at the same time, until you open your mailbox. Yada yada yada...same old CACL bullshit. > At 07:12 AM 12/17/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > >On Mon, 16 Dec 2

[texas-hpr] My first run-in with the Safe Explosives Act (fwd)

2002-12-18 Thread Jim Choate
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rocketry - Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rocketry - North Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rocketry - Waco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rocketry

Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before > > seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: I have fulfilled a lifelong goal, I have walked where no man has ever walked before. I

Re: CDR: Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world viamultimedia phones (fwd)

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Jim Choate wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > > > Jim Choate, in a display of bad judgement and ill temper never before > > > seen on the internet, spewed forth the following blood-libel: > > I have fulfilled

Re: CDR: Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > "The network?" Sorry, its one wire from here to there. No it isn't, try a traceroute to a regular site that isn't over your internal network over several days, why does it change? > However in detail this mildly useful metaphor breaks down. As

Re: CDR: Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-17 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Miles Fidelman wrote: > On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > > > > > From the article: > > > "The court dismissed suggestions the Internet was different from other > > > broadcas

Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > From the article: > "The court dismissed suggestions the Internet was different from other > broadcasters, who could decide how far their signal was to be transmitted." > > This is totally bogus thinking. The Internet is not broadcast medium. Yes, it i

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'SHotel

2002-12-15 Thread Jim Choate
On 15 Dec 2002, David Wagner wrote: > Declan McCullagh wrote: > >Also epic.org (not a cypherpunk-friendly organization, > >but it does try to limit law enforcement surveillance) [...] > > Is the cypherpunks movement truly so radicalized that it is > not willing to count even EPIC among its frien

Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)

2002-12-14 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Steve Furlong wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 23:30, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > > > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > > > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) > >

Re: [IP] Dan Gillmor: Accessing a whole new world via multimedia phones (fwd)

2002-12-14 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike Rosing wrote: > "Content is crap, conectivity is king" > A.M. Odlyzko at Univ. Wisconsin, early 2002 (May I think?) Bullshit, if there isn't content why do they want connectivity? What is it they are connecting to? Content (ala entertainment or problem resolution) are wh

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'SHotel

2002-12-14 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Well, this is for me not an easy issue. Amerika has always had a hard-on for > fascism (as long as it was in the service of "freedom"), and as a result the > pendulum seems to swing pretty wildly at times. It's not America, it's people. Some have compar

Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'SHotel

2002-12-11 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > (Sidebar: I often wish for TIVO radio. It's called cron and your friendly TV card w/ FM radio. -- We don't see things as they are, [EMAIL PROTECTED] we

Re: Supreme Court Refuses to Intervene in Money Laundering Dispute.Also Moving on (fwd)

2002-12-09 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Harmon Seaver wrote: >These ap.tbo.com links don't work. I get ap.tbo.com can't be found. I > mentioned this a few days ago. I can do a whois on tbo.com alright, but a lookup > on ap.tbo.com says non-existant host/domain They work fine for me at every site (machines at th

Re: Build It Rolling Your Own Tivo (fwd)

2002-12-08 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Jamie Lawrence wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Dec 2002, Lucky Green wrote: > > > It never ceases to amaze me that there are subscribers to this list that > > don't have Choate filtered. This must be some weird list to read without > > a Choate procmail filter... > > Yes, my mistake. I'

Not as simple as it looks - Re: Build It Rolling Your Own Tivo(fwd)

2002-12-08 Thread Jim Choate
An example from my day yesterday... I have two 'cheap boxes', one from nation wide chain store (who sells things other than high tech and appliances, a wall to wall mart if you will) and one from a local Austin vendor. The behavior was checked against multiple instances of boxes so we know it isn

Re: Build It Rolling Your Own Tivo (fwd)

2002-12-08 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: > At 11:38 PM 12/06/2002 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > >You should have tried this back in the late 80's with a single frame VHS > >recorder and an Amiga Video Toaster...one frame at a time, thank god for > >AREXX ;) > > If y

Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > OK, suppose we've got a bank that issues bearer "money". > > Who owns the bank? It should be owned by bearer shares, of course. So the only people who can use the bank are those who have invested in the bank by purchasing shares? In other words the

Godel, Peano, & Completeness :QUAIL '97 -- Daily Questions (fwd)

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
Here's an example of what Peter and Tim are speaking of, see the first responce to the question. http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~pdoyle/quail/questions/11_15_96.html This responce is incorrect, irrespective of how many people might propogate it. Why? Godel says that we can't prove the comp

Re: Build It Rolling Your Own Tivo (fwd)

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: > Of course, you could do this yourself with a $199 microtel box from > walmart and linux. Then you'd just have to add a $30 tv in card. > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 04:48:44PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > > http://www.e

Re: Emanations from Choate Prime

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 06:50 AM, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > > > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > No he didn't. He proved Mathematics is incomplete, ie that there are > > universally valid but unprovable statements

Re: Build It Rolling Your Own Tivo (fwd)

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Some poser wrote: > Jim, you post enough crap from Slashdot to know differently. People are > doing it. I have a whitebox machine (AMD, 256M ram, cheap TV card, 20G > disk, $300 a year ago) that does it. It isn't a big deal. Speaking of posting crap...and don't send me privat

Re: Analysts Examine WiFi's Future: 3 simultaneous channels

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Steve Schear wrote: > conditions deteriorate when the noise floor moves up. In busy locations > the radius of effective communication may shrink until the devices are > little more than wireless cable replacements. That's all they are supposed to be. Strictly short-range dev

Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > [At least 4-5 of Hettinga's e$/digibucks/qwatloos chat lists elided > from this distributioninstead of creating so many lists, ... well, > it's obvious what the "instead of" ought to be.] > > > On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 06:17 PM, Peter Fairbrothe

Re: CDR: Re: Analysts Examine WiFi's Future: 3 simultaneous channels

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > I was wondering if there was any way around the intra-zone congestion issue, > and whether a user (and possibly the wireless network that extends off of > the user) could be moved to another LAN, once the first LAN was experiencing > congestion problems.

Re: CDR: Re: Build It Rolling Your Own Tivo (fwd)

2002-12-07 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Jamie Lawrence wrote: > Don't worry about me sending private email in the future... You're not only > a complete idiot, but you're rude as fuck as well. That's funny. > No, actually, for those of us who live in the real world, it isn't as > important as you make it out to be

Re: CDR: Re: ...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > No he didn't. He proved Mathematics is incomplete, ie that there are > universally valid but unprovable statements within it. That is not the same as being incomplete, not being able to prove something doesn't make it not so. Mathematics may in fac

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > At 12:54 PM 12/3/02 -0500, Sunder wrote: > >Simple. Signal strength from at least three access points will > pinpoint > >your location. If any of the AP's have known GPS coordinates, your > >location can be interpolated. > > The Watcher can learn

Re: CDR: Re: ...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Ken Hirsch wrote: > Jim Choate says: > > > Godel's does -not- say mathematics is incomplete, it says we can't prove > > completeness -within- mathematics proper. To do so requires a > > meta-mathematics of some sort. > > You are

Re: CDR: Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them aboutCompleteness)

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > > Complete means that we can take any and all -legal- strings within that > > formalism and assign them -one of only two- truth values; True v False. > > Getting much closer. > > "Complete&

Re: Password security

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Martin Crandall wrote: > I've been thinking about and investigating the issue of password > management. Passwords are the weak link in any computer security > system. ... > What are your thoughts? Am I off-base here? Are there better > solutions I've missed? See factotum a

Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Well, this is quite a post, and I agree with most of it. > > As for the Godel stuff, there's a part of it with which I disagree (or at > least as far as I take what you said). -I- didn't say this stuff, the people who did the original work did. Go read t

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-04 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > > > >> What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person > >> who moves about in the first place. > > > > The node spans a cell. Similiar to your cellular phon

Hangar 18 Weekly Social - Dec. 5

2002-12-04 Thread Jim Choate
Asymmetric Clustering... Distributed Name Space... Global Sign-on... Guerrilla Networking... Open Source Technology... Do these words make your heart beat faster and your breath go shallow? If

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-04 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote: > I think what I am trying to say is - given a "normal" internet user > using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone "in the cloud", how > does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that > machine is not given a unique IP address

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-04 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > Of course it should be given an unique IP address. Actually there is no reason that a fixed IP is ever used. You actually don't even need a fixed hostname (at least above the per-connection level, you do it for convenience). --

Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-03 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > >That any particular string can be -precisely- defined as truth or false > >as required by the definition of completeness, is what is not possible. > > Here we come down to what appears to be at the heart of the confusion as far > as I see it. "True", dep

Re: ...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote: > By principle of what? By the principles of mathematics. Godel used Principia Mathematica as a starting point. You might also. > Isn't that the reason we call it 'undecidable',put it > in an undeciable list which is the truth. The problem description doesn

Re: CDR: Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them aboutCompleteness)

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote: > hi, > > > How ever how do you 'precisely' define > > completeness? > > > > There were a couple of examples in the message > > you replied to. There > > are different sorts of completeness as well. You > > might also look into some > > of the references I

Re: The CDR as a Cliological experiment

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Quite a statement.Obviously too much here to discuss in any detail, but I > would say this may be over-pessimistic. A trip out to Elmhurst Queens may be > very eye-opening. Elmhurst has over 120 languages and 150 nations > represented. It's a chaotic, di

Re: CDR: Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov.29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: > > The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not. > > The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using > > non-distribute

Re: The CDR as a Cliological experiment

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Tim May wrote: > On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 07:05 PM, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > "(Tyler Durden, _please_ learn to trim your replies. Your "quote the > > entire thing" top posting is getting tiresome. I hear there are night > > school classes which teach Outlook Expre

Re: Question on P=NP

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote: > Is the problem P=NP or not 'Decidable'. It's certainly an open question, so the answer is 'nobody knows'. I personaly don't think it is true (ie P<>NP), YMMV. -- We don't see t

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002(fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > "Photons are bosons, so they don't interact with each other. Generally, don't forget 'entanglement' which is clearly interacting with each other ;) > Well, by interfere I meant in the detectors of course. So are you telling me > that two WiFi receivers

Re: CDR: Re: The CDR as a Cliological experiment

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Tim May wrote: > On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 05:23 PM, Tyler Durden wrote: > > As far as I'm concerned, most strife boils down to the perceived > > economic interests of the concerned parties, and apparently > > ehtnic/religious/whatever differences are just a mask fo

Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote: > We can't define completeness. We can define it, as has been done. What we can't do is -prove- any set of rules of arrangement that describe symbol manipulation as -complete- -within the rules of arrangement-. Complete means that we can take any and all -leg

Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote: > --- Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Sarad AV wrote: > > > > > We can't define completeness. > > > > We can define it, as has been done. > > okay,I get what y

Re: CDR: Re: A couple of book questions...(one of them aboutCompleteness)

2002-11-30 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > With regard to completeness, I have Godel's paper ("On Formally > > Undecidable Propositions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems", K. > > Godel, ISBN 0-486-66980-7 (Dove

Re: CDR: Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov.29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/11/21/yourtech.wifis/index.html > Its a nice idea, but unfortunately gets easily bitten by the usual > networking bugbears > 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need > routers and name services

Re: Anyone heard about the Berkeley college student?

2002-11-30 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Yeah, the paper originates from NYC, called Shi Chie Re Bau (in Pin Yin, I > believe). This translates (roughly) "World Journal". The article got thrown > out, otherwise I'd attempt a translation. > >On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > > > In

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Ken Hirsch wrote: > Jim Choate writes: > > > > It's not I who is doing the misreading. I sent this along because I don't > > know -your- level, which considering your understanding of > > 'completeness'... > > Peter Fairb

Re: CDR: Anyone heard about the Berkeley college student?

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > In the Chinese papers over the last few days they've been reporting an > incident that happened to a Chinese UC Berkeley college student, who was > using her cell phone to discuss playing some sort of videogame. The > videogame involves placing "explosiv

The CDR as a Cliological experiment

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Choate
I've made it no secret that my primary purpose in supporting the CDR as a distributed network of remailers was to create an environment to demonstrate the xenophobic behavior of individuals, a cliological experiment in human psychology. It has behaved just as I predicted it would (and not at all l

A couple of book questions...(one of them about Completeness)

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Choate
Howdy, I just picked up "The Future of the Electronic Marketplace" by D. Leebaert (ISBN 0-262-62132-0). Anybody who has read it care to comment? It's a MIT Press book and the little bit of skimming I've done it seems pretty interesting. Published in '99. With regard to completeness, I have Godel

Re: Is the minder CDR down? (fwd)

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Choate
I've removed algebra.com from the SSZ backbone feed as this violates the -entire- agreement of the CDR. He -may- stop forwarding SSZ traffic to -his- subscribers but he may -not- refuse to pass it on to other backbone subscribers he feeds. Ideally the other CDR backbone nodes would stop feeding al

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote: > The British Army in Northern Ireland in the 1970s used to make alleged > IRA people stand with hoods on leaning against a wall listening to > white noise for long periods of time. When you collapse you are beaten. Just sit down and get it over with, y

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > A "non-mathematical" "easy to read" primer (quotes from Springer-Verlag). I > don't have a copy. If Alan Parkes says Godelian completeness is other than > the definition above then he is wrong - possible, he is a multimedia studies > teacher, and af

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, cubic-dog wrote: > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > > > At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > > >Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago. > > >No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-24 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: > The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of > convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke > nearly anyone. Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago. No big deal. Note that psychoactives

Re: CDR: Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-23 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > Completeness has nothing to do with whether statements can or cannot be > expressed within a system. > > A system is complete if every sentence that is valid within the system can > be proved within that system. Introduction to Languages, Machines

Re: CDR: Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get theoil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: > As to drugs and employment. I'm glad to see that you recognized that a > programer, like myself, has far fewer responsibilities than a (mere?) > babysitter. But, I still don't want to go to work with someone who is high > on something. When people are h

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Ben Laurie wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > What I'd like to know is does Godel's apply to all forms of > > para-consistent logic as well > > It applies to "any sufficiently complex axiomatic system". Allegedly. Actually it doesn&#

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > >Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds >only > >remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we >do, we > >simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I either >decide to > >not play, or I cheat. F

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: > On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:29 pm, Harmon Seaver wrote: > >How wonderful for you. Many of us sincerely wish we could practice > > our religion freely as well. > > And just who is stopping you? And what religion is it? The Federal Govern

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > Damn what a pack of geeks! (Looks like I might end up liking this list!) > > When we say "complete", are we talking about completeness in the Godelian > sense? According to Godel, and formal system (except for the possibility of > the oddballs mentioned

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who'sne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: > And the middle east is the only place we meddle? I think not. But the > middle east is the only place who has overtly attacked us. Revisionist, and incorrect, history. Somalia isn't in the middle east. Britian isn't in the middle east. Mexico isn't in

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > "Well, they have enough non-central leadership to all be against Israel and > the US. And to have been at war against the Israelies since Bible times..." > > OK, Mike, this is a good example of the kind of "facts" that lead to fairly > easy (though erro

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: > Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds only > remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we do, we simply > can't win. Life isn't a football game, quite 'trying to win' and I think you'd find a lot of issues

Re: CDR: RE: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get theoil. Who 's ne

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: > Mike, I hate to break it to you, but Muslims did not exist before > 612 AD, when Mohammed received a vision of the Archangel > Gabriel. Peter, I hate to break it to you but the 'religion' may not have existed per se but the people and culture did. The f

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > used for useful computation will suffer from incompletenenss, so I would > assume "para-consistent logic" would fall under that category (is that > similar to fuzzy logic?). Not really. Para-consistent logic is the study of logical schemas or systems in

Re: News: House votes life sentences for hackers (fwd)

2002-11-16 Thread Jim Choate
quot;Shit these guys are stupid! We just found a way to take > down the whole US economy with 20 lines of code!" > > Send script kiddies away for life? How about sending the CTOs of publically > traded companies away for life if something as simple as a DoS attack robs > little o

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-13 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > What I'd like to know is does Godel's apply to all forms of > > para-consistent logic as well > > And I replied: > > No. There are consistent systems, and complete sys

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-12 Thread Jim Choate
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > As for "Godelian intractability", I didn't see that as necessarily an issue > > of complexity. Godel showed that given any formal system, there are > > statements that will certainly exist that are true but unprovable from > > within that system (ma

Re: [9fans] factotum/ssh issue (fwd)

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Choate
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:29:58 -0500 (EST) From: Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum/ssh issue > I agree. This has bugged me for a while, but I'm > just not sure what to do. If authentic

eJazeera? (fwd)

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Choate
Now just imagine a wireless cloud build around a Plan 9 (ie 9P) network (anonymous and distributed)...no need for Alice and no hole to be ratted out on from a mole. No single file server to attack, you'd have to take every one down in parallel. And that still wouldn't take down the back-channels.

FYI: Hangar 18 Weekly Social, Austin Cpunks Monthy Meet, & PotentialDowntime...

2002-11-10 Thread Jim Choate
Howdy, Just a quick note that the weekly Hangar 18 meeting will -not- be held at Buffet Palace this week. Instead we'll be meeting at a members home to work on the Open Air Optical Network Project. If you're interested in attending then please contact myself, Bob, or Robert. I'll bring my project

Hangar 18 Weekly Social

2002-11-06 Thread Jim Choate
Asymmetric Clustering... Distributed Name Space... Global Sign-on... Guerrilla Networking... Open Source Technology... Do these words make your heart beat faster and your breath go shallow? If

Re: CDR: Re: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Choate
e are. www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anais Nin www.open-forge.org On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Jamie Lawrence wrote: > On Fri, 01 Nov 2

Re: Flight security analysis (was Re: Confiscation of Anti-War Video)

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > At 30K feet, you have about half a minute before you pass out Which isn't the problem it's the -40F that kills you. You freeze your ass off well before you ever die from lack of oxygen. The vast majority of folks can hold their breath long enough f

Re: CDR: RE: OT, but fun: Re: Homing In on Laser Weapons (was Re:US deve loping untraceable weapons)

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Choate
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: > Lasers as weapons have 3 major modes of action. > > 1. Blinding sensors. This could be temporary, or permanent, > 2. Burn-through. If enough energy is absorbed by the target, it > 3. Ablative blast. A short, intense hit with a laser can cause the 2 & 3

Re: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: > I see an open search engine as the most important server project. Limit the > engine to cpunkish issues and similar to control the popularity (bandwidth). > Run your own harvesters/spiders. This would help limit the google monopoly and > power and provi

Re: CDR: ISP Utilty To Cypherpunks?

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Choate
Nin hao, On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, David E. Weekly wrote: > Cypherpunks, > > I run a 501(c)(3) non-profit focuses on providing free, donation-based > colocation to individuals and other non-profits (i.e., no companies are > hosted. Additionally, we try to do things that are useful to the > not-for-pr

Austin Cpunks - Oct. 10 Physical Meeting

2002-09-30 Thread Jim Choate
Time:Oct. 10, 2002 Second Tuesday of each month 7:00 - 9:00 pm (or later) Location:Central Market HEB Cafe 38th and N. Lamar Weather permitting we meet in the un-covered tables.

Last couple of days downtime for SSZ

2002-09-29 Thread Jim Choate
Talk about a double whammy First I have a pole pig (power transformer on a pole) blow up about 8am and it takes the entire neighborhood out Wed. Then sometime Wed. evening somebody managed to cut the main trunk that feeds my site into the hub site. They didn't get it fixed until around noon

Re: CDR: Cryptogram: Palladium Only for DRM

2002-09-17 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > Niels Ferguson wrote: > > > At 16:04 16/09/02 -0700, AARG! Anonymous wrote: > > >Nothing done purely in software will be as effective as what can be done > > >when you have secure hardware as the foundation. I discuss this in more > > >detail below.

Austin Cypherpunks - September Physical Meet

2002-09-02 Thread Jim Choate
Time:Sept. 10, 2002 Second Tuesday of each month 7:00 - 9:00 pm (or later) Location:Central Market HEB Cafe 38th and N. Lamar Weather permitting we meet in the un-covered tables.

Re: CDR: status of various projects?

2002-08-15 Thread Jim Choate
It's more than 'distributed publishing', it's distributed everything. Have your grid and eat it too! Use Plan 9: http://plan9.bell-labs.com The Hangar 18 Co-Op: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Miles Fidelman wrote: > It seems like a lot of interesting projects haven't been acti

SSZ Downtime - Schedule Change

2002-08-15 Thread Jim Choate
Hi, We're facing a last minute change in our scheduled downtime. The current window is from Fri., Aug. 16 through Sun., Aug. 25. This is from tomorrow (Fri.) through Sunday of next weekend. I apologize for the short notice on the change and any inconvenience this might cause. We do not expect t

Re: Signing as one member of a set of keys

2002-08-11 Thread Jim Choate
If you think that will make the problem easy or definitive... For a start check out, Springer Series in Statistics Applied Bayesian and Classical Inference: The Cast of The Federalist Papers F. Mosteller, D.L. Wallace ISBN 0-387-90991-5 ISBN 0-540-90991-5 On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Adam Shostack wro

Re: Turing thesis

2002-08-11 Thread Jim Choate
[Can the admin of the cpunks-india list please contact me? I'd like to put a link w/ info on the SSZ CDR homepage. Thanks.] On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, gfgs pedo wrote: > Here is an example illustrating turing thesis > > { Suppose we make a conjecture that a turing machine > is equal to the power o

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