Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-05-28 Thread Hernan Cunico
Sorry for the delay, been out for a couple of days. I'll check the user groups and permissions. Cheers! Hernan Kevan Miller wrote: I thought that non-committer write access to Confluence had been turned off. I now see that it was one of your questions -- my answer is "now". Hernan, can yo

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-05-23 Thread Kevan Miller
I thought that non-committer write access to Confluence had been turned off. I now see that it was one of your questions -- my answer is "now". Hernan, can you make this happen? WRT further process questions, see inline... --kevan On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote: Guys

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-28 Thread Kevan Miller
On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote: Guys we need to wrap up this discussion. I'm not sure where are we standing but still have a bunch of questions. Hi Hernan, Agreed. Sorry I've been out due to some family health issues... A few things that look clear to me thus far - We'l

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-28 Thread Hernan Cunico
Guys we need to wrap up this discussion. I'm not sure where are we standing but still have a bunch of questions. A few things that look clear to me thus far - We'll request every contributor to submit a CLA. Filing instructions are provided in the Individual Contributor License Agreement itself

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-22 Thread Kevan Miller
On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:24 AM, David Jencks wrote: Great work david!!! I think some of these people are axis committers ... the ones with opensource.lk email addresses. If they are, do we need another CLA? Or did you already look and my idea that they are committers on another project is

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-22 Thread Jason Warner
You can also send a scanned copy to secretary at apache dot org as noted on the licenses page Dan mentioned earlier, if that's any easier for anyone. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Dan Becker wrote: > > David Blevins wrote

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-22 Thread Kevan Miller
On Apr 22, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Dan Becker wrote: David Blevins wrote: And speaking of CLAs, here's a report of users, and their edits, for whom I could not find a CLA: http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/gmo-revisions-no-cla.log I think the easiest thing is to just ask for CLAs from everyone on

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-22 Thread Dan Becker
David Blevins wrote: And speaking of CLAs, here's a report of users, and their edits, for whom I could not find a CLA: http://people.apache.org/~dblevins/gmo-revisions-no-cla.log I think the easiest thing is to just ask for CLAs from everyone on this list (definitely some familiar faces in th

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-22 Thread David Blevins
On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:24 AM, David Jencks wrote: Great work david!!! I think some of these people are axis committers ... the ones with opensource.lk email addresses. If they are, do we need another CLA? Or did you already look and my idea that they are committers on another project i

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-22 Thread David Jencks
Great work david!!! I think some of these people are axis committers ... the ones with opensource.lk email addresses. If they are, do we need another CLA? Or did you already look and my idea that they are committers on another project is wrong? thanks david jencks On Apr 21, 2008, at 1

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-21 Thread David Blevins
On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Jason Warner wrote: This may be a dumb question, but what happens if a user submitted content and then submitted a CLA sometime later on. Are CLA's retroactive or does the content submitted before a CLA need to be resubmitted? Definitely not a dumb question.

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-21 Thread Jason Warner
This may be a dumb question, but what happens if a user submitted content and then submitted a CLA sometime later on. Are CLA's retroactive or does the content submitted before a CLA need to be resubmitted? On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Blevins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 21,

Re: Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-21 Thread David Blevins
On Apr 21, 2008, at 6:42 PM, David Blevins wrote: On Apr 20, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: One of the decisions will be what to do about documentation that has already been contributed without a CLA. I pulled down the revisions for these spaces: GMOxDOC10, GMOxDOC11, GMOxDOC12,

Doc IP Clearance (was Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki)

2008-04-21 Thread David Blevins
On Apr 20, 2008, at 7:31 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: One of the decisions will be what to do about documentation that has already been contributed without a CLA. I pulled down the revisions for these spaces: GMOxDOC10, GMOxDOC11, GMOxDOC12, GMOxDOC20, GMOxDOC21, GMOxSITE Report: http://peop

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-21 Thread Hernan Cunico
It seems like we should start from scratch in our next major release then ;-) For the next Geronimo v 2.x release we would set a new Confluence space and give write access to geronimo-committers and geronimo-contributors. geronimo-contributors would only group individual users who have expresse

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-20 Thread Kevan Miller
On Apr 18, 2008, at 5:41 PM, David Blevins wrote: It's already ASF policy that an ICLA be on file for anyone to get write access to a confluence space used for official documentation or a website (plain "wiki" usage is exempt). Updated a good 40~ cwiki spaces to use the asf-cla group inst

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-18 Thread David Blevins
Personal preference I guess. Only 60~ people in that group and everyone in it has full name, address, telephone, etc. on file. Seems very restricted already. We have to review all the edits anyway, even if they come from other committers, so I don't really see an upside unless we start t

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-18 Thread Hernan Cunico
If we are going to restrict access to our wiki doc then we should limit grating access to the project members. I'm not in favor of a massive asf-cla group cheers! hernan David Blevins wrote: It's already ASF policy that an ICLA be on file for anyone to get write access to a confluence space us

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-18 Thread David Blevins
It's already ASF policy that an ICLA be on file for anyone to get write access to a confluence space used for official documentation or a website (plain "wiki" usage is exempt). Updated a good 40~ cwiki spaces to use the asf-cla group instead of confluence-users, including ours, a couple w

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-17 Thread Hernan Cunico
Back on the check box option, we can customize Confluence so it includes an additional step (the check box) before enabling to save the page. There are two approaches, one is to create a Confluence plugin to replace the current editpage.action and the other is to create a new custom editpage v

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-17 Thread Joseph Leong
Just as Dan said, I think a lightweight process would be a good idea. Not to deter users from contributing, nor hinder those approving. If we haven't had a problem with the Jira check-box format for IP reasons, this seems like not only a lightweight process but a familiar one at that. -Joseph Le

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-17 Thread Kevan Miller
On Apr 16, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Gianny Damour wrote: I am supportive of Erik's suggestion. I am absolutely against a process involving the submission of an iCLA. Is a checkbox really required? Isn't a disclaimer enough to protect IP rights? Well, I think we can assume that a checkbox was a

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-17 Thread Gianny Damour
I am supportive of Erik's suggestion. I am absolutely against a process involving the submission of an iCLA. Is a checkbox really required? Isn't a disclaimer enough to protect IP rights? Thanks, Gianny On 17/04/2008, at 4:01 AM, Jason Warner wrote: I'd be more inclined to do something ak

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Hernan Cunico
Kevan Miller wrote: On Apr 16, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Hernan Cunico wrote: Erik B. Craig wrote: I agree that we definitely need to address IP issues around documentation/the wiki... but isn't there any way to accomplish this without adding barriers to users editing content? Can we do something lik

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Kevan Miller
On Apr 16, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Hernan Cunico wrote: Erik B. Craig wrote: I agree that we definitely need to address IP issues around documentation/the wiki... but isn't there any way to accomplish this without adding barriers to users editing content? Can we do something like wikipedia does f

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Hernan Cunico
Erik B. Craig wrote: I agree that we definitely need to address IP issues around documentation/the wiki... but isn't there any way to accomplish this without adding barriers to users editing content? Can we do something like wikipedia does for editing content where there is a checkbox or a noti

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Dan Becker
As one of the non-committers who has been active contributing to the Geronimo Wiki, I echo the preference for a lightweight process. I prefer the method whereby you can check a box "Grant license to ASF" as you do with JIRA contributions. However barring this, the proposed process looks accepta

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Jason Warner
Rereading this again, I think I might have misinterpreted a bit. To make sure I understand it now, a user could contribute a single page by providing a "patch" in a jira without needing to gain contributor status? On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jason Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Jason Warner
I'd be more inclined to do something akin to what Erik suggested. I'm concerned that the process to gain access to editing the wiki would deter many of the people that add a page here and there that describes something they've done. A number of our contributions come from people who are just maki

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Erik B. Craig
I agree that we definitely need to address IP issues around documentation/the wiki... but isn't there any way to accomplish this without adding barriers to users editing content? Can we do something like wikipedia does for editing content where there is a checkbox or a notice or something saying "Y

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Are we breaking new ground here? I'd suspect that the other projects that are using the Wiki may have already discussed this and may have a resolution. Thanks to Miller, Miller and Miller for their awareness of the legal ramifications; I missed it and its a good point. On Apr 16, 2008, a

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Hernan Cunico
Hey Kevan, Thanks for bringing this up. Potential IP issues with our documentation is a reality and I agree we need a process for controlling contributions. Some comments inline Kevan Miller wrote: All, To properly protect the IP rights of our Wiki-based documentation, we need to stop allowin

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy for granting write access to our Wiki

2008-04-16 Thread Jay D. McHugh
I agree that this should be as light-weight as possible. There are a couple of suggestions that I would make to the process: 1) Make sure that people are aware of the fact that they can submit an ICLA at any time (not just after we have voted). 2) We should standardize on the format of the do