Hi all,
The i or I issue: please consider that the OEM label will not have the
size it has on your screen, and that it will be printed, which uses a
higher LPI then the 72 DPI on your screen, so any dot on screen could be
divided into minimum 5 upto 50 lines per dot. This changes the
John McCreesh schreef:
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 23:19 +0100, Steven Pauwels wrote:
[snip]
I think that if someone has a violent objection to the label that the
community chooses by vote, he should start his own OOo distribution. It
is completely respectless to the efforts put in by the art
?
NOT A PROFESSIONAL.
-1 confidence in Steven Pauwels
-1 for Steven Pauwels capability
+1 for confidence in the Project Lead of Marketing - Jacqueline McNally
+1 for confidence in the Project Lead of Marketing - John McCreesh
+1 for Project Lead of Marketing - Jacqueline McNally's
Lars D. Noodén schreef:
According to this article, MS will be increasing legal pursuit of OEMs:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/20/microsoft_piracy_clampdown/
Presumably one of the other tasks will be to prevent the bundling of
non-MS software. educating customers probably refers to
Steven Pauwels schreef:
I am not looking for a personal war here Nicu...
Thank You,
Steven P.
Nicu Buculei schreef:
Steven Pauwels wrote:
You do not have a clue where my experience comes from and therefore
can not judge nor label it but you are right :) it is a bazaar :)
thank you
me to make my point here Nicu.
One more thing: Corporate Cathedrals were abandonned somewhere in the
past century because they don't work.
Don't be offended Nicu, I aim not at you nor any other volunteer.
Steven P
µNicu Buculei schreef:
Steven Pauwels wrote:
John McCreesh schreef
Ian Lynch schreef:
[...]
John... Take your co-leads responsability to actually lead.
We can only lead by the excellence of what we do. If we provide world
class artwork, why would anyone choose *not* to use it?
Because someone else produces some different but worldclass
Cristian Driga schreef:
Steven Pauwels wrote:
I am happy to see that all of you consider yourselves professionals
in netiquette and working in a FOSS project.
Well, I invite you to find the threads where I broke the nettiquette.
You are talking it personally, inspite of the fact that I
Daniel Carrera schreef:
Cristian Driga wrote:
It took me 2-3 months before I understood how things work when I
joined and then I started participating. And it passed another 2-3
months before what I did started to show results. As nobody here is
full time employee you should expect lack of
Chad Smith schreef:
[...]
I for one do not want to vote Steven off the island. I think it would be
pointless - as Ian pointed out. My votes of no confidence in Steven were
more to illustrate my point against him using the same ludrious method he
tried to use again the Project leads. They
Ian Lynch schreef:
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 10:24 -0500, Chad Smith wrote:
Of course, there is
pontital for exploitation - anyone wants to kill a thread that they don't
agree with - they just reply using the [FLAME] marker - but the next person
could not reply to that post or simply remove it
Cristian Driga schreef:
Hi Jeff, all,
Jeffrey G. Causey, CPA wrote:
Hi All,
Just my 2 cents on the idea of a separate web site. I would prefer
not to see that happen. At least, not yet. I would rather see us
continue trying to work using the assets currently available. The
wiki has
John McCreesh schreef:
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 21:01 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Hi list members,
in the art project we designed different proposals for OEM labels
that should be sticked on PCs delivered with OpenOffice.org.
To come to an officially approved label I'd like to ask you to
+1 on B and I do not request any changes.
Why included should not be capitalized:
For native english, Included reads as easy as included.
For any other native language that has another word for included
(spelled differently) it makes readablility drop by 90 %.
Steven P.
Bernhard Dippold
John,
There is a consensus about which logo to use. I had no doubts that this
would be the case. B is a good design, with no 'flaws' in it. Take this
tip: Succesfull marketing is done by creating a uniform message and
look. You just posted against that. This makes me question the Marketin
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Short_Term_Marketing_Plan
Steven P.
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Steven Pauwels schreef:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Short_Term_Marketing_Plan
Steven P.
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Again, I have to say
Hi Charles,
Charles-H.Schulz schreef:
Daniel Carrera wrote:
For us, I think we should have codenames. Instead of saying that
we're releasing OOo 2.1 we'd say that it's OOo Platypus Edition or
some such. I tried to get codenames going about 18 months ago, and we
did get a couple of
Hi Graham, Daniel,
Thank ou for your input. This is exacctly what I am aiming for.
Information that can help me to define a possibility.
In reply:
- If the 3.0 release is so far away, it is to far :)
-Not using version figures 5.2.6.458 is a much better for marketing then
stressing with a
[...]
Draft
Staging
Testing
Incubator
--
- Chad Smith
http://www.gimpshop.net/
Because everyone loves free software!
+1 on drafts
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Hi again,
Alexandro Colorado schreef:
[...]
I'll try to be more clear: I like your idea, we should do so, but I
believe the marketing people have other worries at this point that
should be looked at... :)
(in one line ? pfieww)
Steven P
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Short_Term_Marketing_Plan
I started a page on the wiki where I want to define a short term
marketing strategy. I will need your help. There are some questions on
the page and I would like to post some out here.
Feel free to discuss.
I would like
Some of the pro's:
- why bother, they don't hurt anyone
- they are fun
- developpers are only humans
- the contra-people need to lighten up :)
- maybe we should, but not if its about OOo marketing! :)
- ...
Some of the contras:
- why have things that are not needed or wanted by anyone else then
Chad Smith schreef:
On 2/7/06, Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One unwritten issue tied into the egg problem is recognition and
appreciation of the skill and effort the developers have put into making
OOo as good as it has become. Eggs are a way of making one's mark on the
product.
wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Steven Pauwels wrote:
Some of the contras:
- they take the trust out of OOo
- distractive to school children
these are the two most important for me.
Leave in the Easter Eggs; allow an administrator to turn them off
on
install
Charles-H.Schulz schreef:
Steven Pauwels wrote:
Charles,
I'll take your remarks as a compliment. I'll learn what I want and
when I want it. Do not dictate. Thank you.
I did not dictate anything. I advised you a way to post that suits the
netiquette better. You do what you want
*
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Steven Pauwels wrote:
Some of the contras:
- they take the trust out of OOo
- distractive to school children
these are the two most important for me.
Leave in the Easter Eggs; allow an administrator
Hi all,
I will again try to start a thread about the issues that I and others
find important to marketing and I hope everybody respects this thread
and the people posting enough not to try and disrupt it.
- It is my believe that OOo would benefit from removing the Easter eggs.
We can use
Chad Smith schreef:
A volunteer - just like everybody else.
If you are asking me what I've done to promote OOo, that's a different
question, which I'd be happy to answer. You might want to start by checking
the link in my sig line.
On 2/7/06, Steven Pauwels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can
Sophie Gautier schreef:
Hi Steven,
Please, learn how to quote your mails.
Steven Pauwels wrote:
[...]
Can you tell me how to subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] found no link
on the website.
Send an empty mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kind regards
Sophie
Hi,
Sophie Gautier schreef:
Hi,
[...]
Please post your request also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] has most of us are also doing
marketing tasks without being subscribed here. This list is our
communication channel.
You lost me here. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can you explain what the topic of this list
Hi Chad,
Chad Smith schreef:
HTH!
As I am not familiar with all abrv. what does HTH! mean?
Steven P
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Sophie Gautier schreef:
[]
Not to be difficult, but only curious who I am talking to.
What do you do within OOo?
Thnxs
Steven P
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Ian Lynch schreef:
On the discuss list the issue of the Easter Eggs in Calc came up. On the
surface it appears that these are harmless fun and that was my first
reaction, Easter Eggs are fairly common in competing products. Go a bit
below the surface and thinking about it some more, there are
Chad Smith schreef:
On 2/6/06, Steven Pauwels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Making it possible for an admin to block all easter eggs is an
unnecessary action. It is NOT a good thing to promote OOo with say:
Unlike our competitor software, in OOo, you can easely block all Easter
eggs! Wow
Chad Smith schreef:
On 2/6/06, Steven Pauwels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chad Smith schreef:
Sorry Chad, you lifted a part of my post out of the context: I am
opposed to having easter eggs in the first place, I find them a sign of
immaturity and they highlight the power developpers
Chad Smith schreef:
On 2/6/06, Steven Pauwels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Chad,
You are hurting my feelings :) I am al about fun :)
Easter eggs simply are *not fun at all* and if you disagree with an
issue, try to keep your remarks directed to the issue, don't get personal.
All
Finn Gruwier Larsen schreef:
So this is what I *want* to do for MP if the MP *lets* me do it:
- change the MP wiki to be usefull because the idea gets a lot of
support.
- start a discussion on the items I find fundamental for the succes
of OOo marketing one by one and get a consencus.
Chad Smith schreef:
Hello John,
On 2/5/06, John McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chad - I think its your name on the pages - thanks for setting up
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing
No problem. I like wikis. They are fun and inviting. I mean literally
every page
Dear all,
It is clear that the tools provided by SUN do mot match the needs of the
community very clear.
Why doesn't the CC stop holding back community development? Are they
affraid some people actually have good ideas? Are they affraid of
delegating responsabilities?
The best way to
touches on the
infrastructure, use the discuss@openoffice.org list.
Okay?
Thanks
Louis
On 2006-02-04, at 12:38 , Steven Pauwels wrote:
Dear all,
It is clear that the tools provided by SUN do mot match the needs of
the community very clear.
Why doesn't the CC stop holding back community
Ian Lynch schreef:
On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 18:38 +0100, Steven Pauwels wrote:
These recurring discussions mean that there is a need... and the CC
refuses to egnoledge this need.
Seems so - glad you said it not me though ;-)
maybe we could use moodle? Nice and adaptable, but I am
Host a site with PHP, Mysql databases, 100 mail adresses, 5 mailing
lists, subdomains and lots of other things... cost: 25 euro per year...
How about that?
this is not a commercial... i just happen to know this because I use
it... Financial dependancy on the internet is like a saying that we
As I am reading trough the site, I find some of the decisions and their
motivation very unfavorable for marketing... This one is on the Schools
Project Logo, a gull making a gesture meaning ok... as the remark on the
logo says: for some, it has a completely different meaning... not ok
http://download.openoffice.org/index.html
As a possible customer, I do not give a ... about the unstable
release that tops the list of downloads... I want to find a clear list
that says: 2.0 for WINDOWS, MAC, LINUX. and the a link to previous
versions, followed by a small text saying that
Steven Pauwels schreef:
Chad Smith schreef:
On 2/1/06, Steven Pauwels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Steven's anti-Otto rant
I respectfully and completely disagree.
There is no way in the world you can market anything to everyone on
earth
the same way. Otto isn't meant for conservative
Daniel Carrera schreef:
Steven Pauwels wrote:
http://download.openoffice.org/index.html
As a possible customer, I do not give a ... about the unstable
release that tops the list of downloads... I want to find a clear
list that says: 2.0 for WINDOWS, MAC, LINUX. and the a link
Hi Jeff,
Just thought I would pop in with really a few questions relative to the
strategic marketing plan. Like some others on the list, I've been going
through it recently and trying to figure out where things stand with the
project.
Indeed.
The first thing I would note, is I agree
Hi all,
For the past week I have tried to find out something more about OOo and
especially about its community. I found it a closed community at
first... Now I am losing track... The thing really needs guidance... At
least marketing project does.
I suggested some things that can help the
Ian Lynch schreef:
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 08:29 +0100, Steven Pauwels wrote:
Nice !
thxs Ian!
Thinking about it, one basic thing I find surprising about the marketing
project is that the main resource is the volunteers yet there is no
knowledge of what skills are available other
Ian Lynch schreef:
On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 18:06 +0100, Steven Pauwels wrote:
Hi all,
I have printed the marketing plan and read it very carefully, almost
immediately after deciding to try and help... in fact :) reading the
plan was the trigger to get me to volunteer :)
What
Finn Gruwier Larsen schreef:
Steven Pauwels skrev:
Here is a thing I would like to discuss with all involved in
marketing: giving the product another name. (.org in a name is
confusing, we can not use OpenOffice without .org, there is a fine
example: Mozilla--Firefox) Please let me know
plans about this and marketing in Netherlands?
As a note, I would like to suggest Steven Pauwels that he may want to
join the Dutch project and work on marketing for the Belgium area...
Best,
Charles.
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Hi Steven,
Steven Pauwels wrote:
The reason why I do post this request is that two Dutch communities
exist. Belgian (Flanders) Dutch and Holland (Netherlands) Dutch.
In the OOo-project, there is one Dutch language community (as far as I
know).
I live in Belgium
Hi there,
It has been a few days since I joined some marketing mailing lists. Thxs
to the people who helped out.
Trying to find my way on the website and the wiki, I would like to
discuss the following:
- 'I can not find what I am looking for' seems to be the most common
problem when
Hi,
If any press releases are written, I can translate them to Dutch and
send them out to Belgian PC/IT related magazines...
Steven
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Hi Charles,
The reason why I do post this request is that two Dutch communities
exist. Belgian (Flanders) Dutch and Holland (Netherlands) Dutch.
I live in Belgium. Efforts here are very low and the market is somewhat
different from the Holland market, as is the language semantics and
use...
Hello again,
Is there a OOo document template? It would be great to have one... I
like the Art Style Guide layout :)
Steven
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Hi there,
http://www.steven.be/OOo/bannerOOo2468x60.gif
please comment.
Intentions:
Using no other components then the ones I found in the OOo 2.0 section,
I tried to give the following message to the public without using Bill
:) or any words in the message that they do not understand:
I think I have to start over...
Hi there.
How can I help?
Steven
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at the existing artwork now. :) I'll let you know how
I feel about it.
ciao,
Steven
Hi Steven, *
Steven Pauwels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
As I would like to actively participate in one way or another in OOo,
I
have problems finding out what needs to be done f.i. in marketing
Hi there,
I would like to open a discussion on the following issue:
- the marketing power of the current website.
My oppinion: n o n e.
1. Market an office product? (I do hate the 'office' name... ) In my
oppinion, this is core desktop software... Basics... ( I used WP,
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