RE: Pre-Incident Report - GoDaddy Serial Number Entropy

2019-03-08 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
cons of doing so. From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 3:46 PM To: Ryan Sleevi Cc: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Pre-Incident Report - GoDaddy Serial Number Entropy Ryan beat me to the punch. so I'll reinforce his message with m

RE: Pre-Incident Report - GoDaddy Serial Number Entropy

2019-03-08 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
If they need some help with large scale replacement, I know some people who did that recently 😊. Joking of course, but really - with Godaddy, Google, and Apple reporting a large number of certs that have what seems to be a minor compliance issue in light of the certs all being SHA2, does Mozilla

RE: Possible DigiCert in-addr.arpa Mis-issuance

2019-03-04 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Technically, the same issue could exist on the system. However, co.uk is actually blocked as a valid approval address by our system. In-addr.arpa was not blocked. Here's a status update: 1) We identified 3000 certificates where the scope was changed by validation staff based on a WHOIS document.

RE: Possible DigiCert in-addr.arpa Mis-issuance

2019-03-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Thanks Wayne From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 10:00 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Possible DigiCert in-addr.arpa Mis-issuance https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1531817 has been created to track this issue. On Wed, Feb 27

RE: Possible DigiCert in-addr.arpa Mis-issuance

2019-02-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
ough it were > a normal host name for resolution. I wonder whether this isn't a case > that should just be treated as an invalid domain for purposes of SAN > dnsName (like .local). > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 1:05 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy > <mailto:

RE: Possible DigiCert in-addr.arpa Mis-issuance

2019-02-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
have happened to any domain and not just in-addr.arpa? - Cynthia On 2019-02-27 01:55, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > From our side, a validation agent weirdly scoped the domain, saying that the > domain was approved using an email to ad...@in-addr.arpa. However, the email

RE: Possible DigiCert in-addr.arpa Mis-issuance

2019-02-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
attempting to > utilize a reverse-IP formatted in-addr.arpa address as though it were > a normal host name for resolution. I wonder whether this isn't a case > that should just be treated as an invalid domain for purposes of SAN > dnsName (like .local). > &g

Re: Possible DigiCert in-addr.arpa Mis-issuance

2019-02-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Thanks Cynthia. We are investigating and will report back shortly. From: dev-security-policy on behalf of Cynthia Revström via dev-security-policy Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 12:02:20 PM To: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Cc: b...@benjojo.co.uk Subje

RE: DarkMatter Concerns

2019-02-25 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 1:43 PM To: Buschart, Rufus ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: RE: DarkMatter Concerns Hi all, Sorry for the delayed response. Been traveling and haven't had a chance to properly f

RE: DarkMatter Concerns

2019-02-25 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
If DarkMatter is issuing from a CA that chains to a Quovadis root trusted by Mozilla, the issuance is in scope of the Mozilla policy. But that also means the cert is publicly trusted. Thus, I read it as "all TLS certs issued from the public ICA are publicly logged", which matches what Scott told m

RE: DarkMatter Concerns

2019-02-25 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hi all, Sorry for the delayed response. Been traveling and haven't had a chance to properly format my thoughts until now. As you all know, DigiCert recently acquired the Quovadis CA. As the operator of the CA, DigiCert is responsible for the issuing CA controlled by DarkMatter. DarkMatter contro

Re: Transfer of QuoVadis to DigiCert

2019-01-17 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
We havent discussed any root removal yet internally. However, we definitely wont be removing the ones used for qwacs. From: dev-security-policy on behalf of westmail24--- via dev-security-policy Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 6:55:23 AM To: mozilla-dev-secur

RE: Transfer of QuoVadis to DigiCert

2019-01-15 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
term, we plan on operating Quovadis under its existing CPS and with its existing practices. From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:10 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Transfer of QuoVadis to DigiCert Thanks Jeremy. To be clear, in

Transfer of QuoVadis to DigiCert

2019-01-14 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hey all, You may have seen that DigiCert is purchasing the QuoVadis PKI from WISeKey, including all public root operations. With the closing date drawing closer, I wanted to start the discussion and give the Mozilla community the notice required under Section 8 of the Mozilla CA policy. Let me

RE: AlwaysOnSSL web security issues

2019-01-10 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Yes – we will do so. We’ve encouraged all customers to not generate key pairs for TLS certs on behalf of third parties in the past. A reminder would be useful. From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:18 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: Alex Gaynor ; Buschart, Rufus ; Alex Cohn ; Hanno

RE: AlwaysOnSSL web security issues

2019-01-10 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
A couple of thoughts: 1) CertCenter is not a CA or RA. They have a custom named ICA that is hosted and operated by DigiCert. All validation, issuance, and linting is performed by DigiCert prior to issuance. 2) Lots of cert customers have insecure websites. This indicates CAs should scan website

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
>> I think Matt provided a pretty clear moral hazard here - of customers >> suggesting their CAs didn't do enough (e.g. should have tried harder to >> intentionally violated by not revoking). One significant way to mitigating >> that risk is to take meaningful steps to ensure that "We couldn't r

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
> I don't think there's *any* result from all this that everyone would > consider desirable -- otherwise we wouldn't need to have this conversation. + 1 to that. > I'm not sure I'd call it "leniency", but I think you're definitely asking > for "special treatment" -- pre-judgment on a potential i

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
concrete and quantifiable steps as to how to improve. Thanks Ryan. This post was really nice. Appreciate it. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:15 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: James Burton ; Ryan Sleevi ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Underscore characters

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Treading carefully
 Mozilla is the only browser related to the discussion. Probably sufficient to say that the revocation/no-revoke decision is entirely dependent on the results of this thread. From: James Burton Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 6:07 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: Matt

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
o: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Underscore characters On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:12:03AM +, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > This is very helpful. If I had those two options, we'd just revoke all > the certs, screw outages. Unfortunately, the op

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
formation the company has provided should be the guiding light? From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 1:16 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Underscore characters I'm not trying to throw you under the bus here, but I think it's

RE: Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
It clearly wasn't understood by everyone. That's why we had two ballots on it, one of them failing to address the issue. You can just look through the long discussions on the topic to see people didn't agree. -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Jakob Bohm via dev

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
This is very helpful. If I had those two options, we'd just revoke all the certs, screw outages. Unfortunately, the options are much broader than that. If I could know what the risk v. benefit is, then you can make a better decision? DigiCert distrusted - all revoked. DigiCert gets some mar on its

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
This is accurate. We have the technical capability and policy ability to revoke the certificates. What we were hoping was a discussion based on impact of the revocation so we could hear what we should do. Blind obedience isn't my favorite answer, but it's an option. The guidance so far is file an i

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
so far. The response from the browsers is public - that they cannot make that determination. Does that mean we have our answer? Revoke is the only acceptable response? From: James Burton Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 2:24 PM To: Ryan Sleevi Cc: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
pects from these incident reports timing-wise. -Original Message----- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 11:47 AM To: r...@sleevi.com Cc: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Underscore characters The

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 11:24 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: r...@sleevi.com; dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Underscore characters On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jeremy Rowley mailto:jeremy.row...@digicert.com> > wrote: Much better to trea

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
do to mitigate when we miss the Jan 15ht deadline?” instead. Apologies for the confusion there. Jeremy From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:00 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Underscore characters On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Behalf Of Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 4:54 PM To: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Underscore characters On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:34:21PM +, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > Here’s the first of the companies. Figured I’d

RE: Statement on the Sunset of Underscore Characters

2018-12-21 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
But this part isn't true "Browsers are not capable of granting 'exceptions' to the Baseline Requirements", at least for Mozilla. See the Mozilla auditor requirements for example. Perhaps better stated that they don't have to implement the standards they don't like? -Original Message- F

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-20 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
detail is required or if you’d like additional info included? Thanks! Jeremy From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:25 PM To: Ryan Sleevi Cc: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Underscore characters Jeremy, It's good to hear that y

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-20 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
: Ryan Sleevi Cc: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Underscore characters Jeremy, It's good to hear that you do believe you can provide the necessary level of information prior to 15-Jan. Given that, I'm now thinking of this as if it were a normal incid

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-20 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
eremy Rowley Cc: r...@sleevi.com; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Underscore characters Jeremy, On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:55 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy mailto:dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> > wrote: Done: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-19 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Done: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1515564 It ended up being about 1200 certs total that we are hearing can’t be replaced because of blackout periods. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 11:05 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: r...@sleevi.com; mozilla-dev

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-19 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
about what the risk associated with underscore characters is. Could you please explain the risk to the community in a revocation delay as the “unreasonable” argument isn’t really supported without that understanding. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:17 AM To: Jeremy Rowley

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-18 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I doubt it materially alters the conversation and outcome. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:35 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Underscore characters Jeremy, It seems like any answer for what it "might" look li

RE: Underscore characters

2018-12-18 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
The total number of certs impacted is about 2200. Just more info. -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 3:28 PM To: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Underscore characters We're looking a

Underscore characters

2018-12-18 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
We're looking at the feasibility of replacing the certificates with underscore characters by Jan 15th. Revoking all of the certificates will cause pretty bad outages. We're prepared to revoke them but would like to discuss (before the date) what should happen if we don't revoke. There are about 15

RE: DigiCert Assured ID Root CA and Global Root CA EV Request

2018-12-13 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
l s/MIME policy. Thanks Wayne. I can confirm we will revoke all mis-issued certs. From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:34 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: Ryan Sleevi ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: DigiCert Assured ID Root CA and Global Root CA EV Request

RE: s/MIME certs and authentication

2018-12-13 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
This is one of the reasons I wanted to raise the issue. Issuing the cert and delivering to the email seems like a pretty common way to verify email certs (either you have access to the email or you don't), but this is backwards from TLS. Is this particular process a violation of the Mozilla policy?

RE: Underscore characters and DigiCert

2018-12-13 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
018 at 5:54 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Hey all, > > We're working towards revoking certs with underscore characters in the > domain name, per SC12, but I had a question about legacy Symantec > systems an

s/MIME certs and authentication

2018-12-12 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Now that the Symantec TLS distrust is essentially behind us, we're working on migrating all of the s/MIME certificates to DigiCert hierarchies. Once this is complete, the browsers can remove the legacy Symantec roots completely. In my new compliance role, I'm looking at how to create a smooth, but

Underscore characters and DigiCert

2018-12-12 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hey all, We're working towards revoking certs with underscore characters in the domain name, per SC12, but I had a question about legacy Symantec systems and Mozilla. These particular roots are no longer trusted for TLS certs in Google or Mozilla, which means the applicability of the BRs is du

Re: SSL private key for *.alipcsec.com embedded in PC client executables

2018-12-11 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I think pretty much every ca will accept a signed file in lieu of an actual key. Generally provide the key just means some proof of compromise the ca can replicate. From: dev-security-policy on behalf of Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy Sent: Monday, Decemb

RE: CA Communication: Underscores in dNSNames

2018-12-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
because the CA isn’t operational anymore. Telling people to go have the CA cover the risk when those are the two options seems like we’re avoiding the public discussion. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 2:26 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: CA

RE: CA Communication: Underscores in dNSNames

2018-12-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
That’s not well defined as there are various grades below that. Is the plan to remove any CA that doesn’t comply with this requirement? From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 2:26 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: CA Communication: Underscores in

RE: CA Communication: Underscores in dNSNames

2018-12-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
isk is a loss of the root...probably less so. Pushing the question back to the CA without better discussion by the browsers makes finding a solution or understanding the risks impossible. -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy Sent

Re: CA Communication: Underscores in dNSNames

2018-12-07 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Personally, i think you should continue the discussion here. Although you can bring it up to whichever ca you use, the reality is that without the browsers knowing why the certs cant be replaced and the number, theres no way to gauge their reaction to a non compliance. The penalties may include

RE: DigiCert Assured ID Root CA and Global Root CA EV Request

2018-11-29 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
We can revoke them all by then. The question is do the browsers really want us to? Since we started a public discussion, here's the details: There are several prominent websites that use certs with underscore characters in connection with major operations. I was hoping to get permission to pos

DigiCert incident report

2018-10-22 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hi all, We issued a single certificate that contained an internal domain. This certificate was discovered on Oct 16th and revoked on the 17th. We filed the bug report here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1500621 but are also posting the list for awareness. Tl;dr. Two validation

RE: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
part of this discussion board. Not saying anyone made him feel otherwise intentionally of course, but his last message seemed frustrated. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:49 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: Ryan Sleevi ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Google Trust

RE: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
raised. From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:39 PM To: Ryan Sleevi Cc: Jeremy Rowley ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request I'm disputing the conclusion that is being drawn from Jake's concerns, rather

RE: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I also should also emphasize that I’m speaking as Jeremy Rowley, not as DigiCert. Note that I didn’t say Google controlled the policy. However, as a module peer, Google does have significant influence over the policy and what CAs are trusted by Mozilla. Although everyone can participate in

Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-25 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Jake's concern is legit if you believe certain assumptions. Criticizing his rationale doesn't seem correct, especially since Google does indeed have a root store. Although not traditional, Google runs a store of blacklisted CAs (see Symantec), which is every bit as effective as controlling CA compl

RE: New certificate from compromised key

2018-08-17 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Thanks. We've revoked the cert and are looking into what happened and will post more information as we figure out what happened. -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Hanno Böck via dev-security-policy Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:16 PM To: dev-security-policy@

Issuance with improper domain validation

2018-08-16 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I posted this to Bugzilla last night. Basically, we had an issue with validation that resulted in some certs issuing without proper (post-Aug 1) domain verification. Still working out how many. The major reason was lack of training by the validation staff combined with a lack of strict document con

RE: Possible violation of CAA by nazwa.pl

2018-07-31 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
browser and public From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 8:25 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: Jakob Bohm ; Tim Hollebeek ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org; r...@sleevi.com Subject: Re: Possible violation of CAA by nazwa.pl On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 2:17 PM Jeremy

RE: Possible violation of CAA by nazwa.pl

2018-07-27 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I think the desire to categorize these is more to make sense of where the distrust line is. No one wants to end up on the same boat as Symantec, and there aren't clear guidelines on how to prevent that from happening to a CA. Pretty much every CA mis-issues at some point on an infinite timeline

Cert transition update

2018-06-26 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
We want to share the latest update on the Symantec distrust plan and seek input from the community. Below is a high level summary: The majority of root program operators plan to either partially or fully distrust Symantec roots by Q3 CY 2018, and no later than Q2 CY 2019. All TLS certificates

Re: Disallowed company name

2018-06-04 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Punctuation differences are not enough to register a name in the us, or at least in the jurisdictions here I’m aware of. > On Jun 4, 2018, at 1:04 AM, Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > I apologize, I originally wrote in haste and did not clearly state what I > was suggesting. >

RE: Namecheap refused to revoke certificate despite domain owner changed

2018-06-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
, June 1, 2018 5:17 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy ; Jakob Bohm ; Wayne Thayer Subject: Re: Namecheap refused to revoke certificate despite domain owner changed On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org&g

RE: Namecheap refused to revoke certificate despite domain owner changed

2018-06-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
CA from supporting it. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 4:08 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: r...@sleevi.com; Wayne Thayer ; Jakob Bohm ; mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Namecheap refused to revoke certificate despite domain owner changed Yes, as mentioned in the

RE: Namecheap refused to revoke certificate despite domain owner changed

2018-06-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Which is yet another reason why removing method 1 and method 5 was a good idea. Do any of the other methods share the same problem? Maybe IP address verification right now. From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 2:51 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: Wayne Thayer ; Jakob Bohm ; mozilla-dev

RE: Namecheap refused to revoke certificate despite domain owner changed

2018-06-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
This is one of the reasons I think we should require an OID specifying the validation method be included in the cert. Then you can require the CA support revocation using the same validation process as was used to confirm certificate authorization. With each cert logged in CT, everyone in the wo

RE: Disallowed company name

2018-06-01 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Can you point to a jurisdiction that allows you to register the same name? I've never seen an example where it's permitted. Maybe the UK? -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 9:28 AM To: mozilla-dev-secu

Re: Disallowed company name

2018-05-31 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
*Some cas. I don’t think the 18 month requirement is a universal position and may not even be a majority view. I think there’s other ideas that are better and add more value than simply extending the time a company is required to exist to get the cert. > On May 31, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Wayne Thay

CT Log deprecation

2018-05-04 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hi everyone, I posted our announcement about deprecation of Symantec CT logs over on the Google list a while ago. I figured I'd post something here as well so the community is aware of our plans. As part of our infrastructure consolidation DigiCert will be EOLing legacy Symantec CT log ser

RE: Transforming a trade name into ASCII in the O field of an OV cert

2018-04-24 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
That is correct. We use transliteration of non-latin names through a system recognized by ISO per Appendix D(1)(3) -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of cbonnell--- via dev-security-policy Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 7:12 AM To: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozi

RE: RAs and the BRs

2018-04-23 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I review the RA practices and did the 3% review (regardless of the results), then the CA escapes oversight on its validation process. From: Wayne Thayer Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:18 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: RAs and the BRs On Tue

RAs and the BRs

2018-04-17 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
There is a way to get zero-validation certs, totally legit, under the BRs. Currently, the BRs permit pretty much free delegation of Registration Authorities for everything except domain verification. Without RA audit requirements or even a requirement that the CA monitor/control the RA, the cynical

RE: Policy 2.6 Proposal: Require CAs to support problem reports via email

2018-04-17 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I believe the intent of the certificate problem reporting in the BRs is to encourage CAs to accept and respond to issues. Although the intent is not specifically stated, my reasoning is based on the fact the BRs requiring CAs to maintain a 24x7 ability to respond, a 24 hour ability to process ce

RE: Policy 2.6 Proposal: Require separate intermediates for different usages (e.g. server auth, S/MIME)

2018-04-17 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
If you don't specify by EKU, the exercise of determining intent becomes impossible as illustrated by our (many) attempts to define a server cert in CAB Forum. Better to list the EKUs allowed and not allowed in the same cert than rely on another intent requirement. -Original Message- From:

RE: DigiCert .onion certificates without Tor Service Descriptor Hash extension

2018-03-22 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
True. I can tell you our process was not followed in this case, primarily because of the Symantec transaction. Ideally, when we add new products (or when a CAB Forum requirement changes), we: 1. Add the mandatory criteria to our compliance engine 2. Add the new cert to our issuing C

RE: DigiCert .onion certificates without Tor Service Descriptor Hash extension

2018-03-19 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
ng it, but I doubt there's strong incentives to change the guidelines right now. We'll modify to include it. -Original Message- From: Alex Cohn Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 6:55 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: DigiCert .oni

Re: Mozilla Security Blog re Symantec TLS Certs

2018-03-13 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Same question. Does this mean the key used to sign the digicert roots is subject to the distrust without exception? > On Mar 13, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Kai Engert via dev-security-policy > wrote: > >> On 12.03.2018 22:19, Kathleen Wilson via dev-security-policy wrote: >> Wayne and I have posted a M

RE: DigiCert .onion certificates without Tor Service Descriptor Hash extension

2018-03-12 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Thanks Alex. Sorry for the delayed response. I've been traveling today. We're reaching out to each of the customers and getting their cert replaced. Looking into this, we did not correctly implement the ballot: 1. We didn't add a check to our backend system too verify the cert included a descript

RE: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
1) Not all of the certificates being revoked use the Symantec hierarchy. There are some certs that use the DigiCert replacement hierarchy. Not many though. 2) Sorry my wording was strange. It almost always is. What I meant, is Trustico specifically asked for the certs to be revoked within 24 hour

Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
as DigiCert received proof of compromise of all 50k in the meantime? On 28.2.18 22:42, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: We don't have a process to prevent third parties from storing private keys. I'm not sure how that would even work considering the approved third-pa

Fwd: [cabfpub] How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Posted to cab forum accidentally instead of Mozilla dev Begin forwarded message: From: Jeremy Rowley mailto:jeremy.row...@digicert.com>> Date: February 28, 2018 at 2:33:41 PM MST To: Ryan Sleevi mailto:sle...@google.com>>, Geoff Keating mailto:geo...@apple.com>> Cc: CA/Br

RE: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Yep - that was you. Thanks a ton. We posted 10 CSRs so far. Is this what you were thinking? -Original Message- From: Nick Lamb Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:37 PM To: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Cc: Jeremy Rowley Subject: Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests

RE: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
ring private keys so casually? On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:38:16 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > I wanted to share an incident report regarding the revocation of > certain certificates ordered through a reseller. > > > > On Feb

RE: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
The keys were emailed to me. I'm trying to get a project together where we self-sign a cert with each of the keys and publish them. That way there's evidence to the community of the compromise without simply listing 23k private keys. Someone on Reddit suggested that, which I really appreciated. I t

RE: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
om of the community in what we do. I’m happy to share any of the details I can. Jeremy From: Ryan Sleevi Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:58 AM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

RE: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
--- From: Peter Bowen Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 12:14 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests? On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > Once we were alerte

RE: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I believe transparency is the best policy. I think it'd be helpful to the community if we could post the email exchange about the revocation. We can redact the agreement termination portions if you'd like, but that'd give a lot more clarity around what's going on. Do I have your permission to p

How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hi everyone, I wanted to share an incident report regarding the revocation of certain certificates ordered through a reseller. On February 2nd, 2018, we received a request from Trustico to mass revoke all certificates that had been ordered by end users through Trustico. Unfortunately, the e

RE: Trustico / Digicert Mass Revocation

2018-02-28 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I was planning on posting something about this later today. Give me a couple hours to drink a lot of caffeine, and I'll update the entire community. -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Richard Moore via dev-security-policy Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:43 AM T

RE: Certificates with shared private keys by gaming software (EA origin, Blizzard battle.net)

2017-12-29 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
BTW - this certificate was revoked. -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy [mailto:dev-security-policy-bounces+jeremy.rowley=digicert.com@lists.mozilla .org] On Behalf Of Mark Steward via dev-security-policy Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 11:30 AM To: Matthew Hardeman Cc: mozilla-d

Re: Certificates with shared private keys by gaming software (EA origin, Blizzard battle.net)

2017-12-25 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I’m pretty sure EA revoked the cert. > On Dec 25, 2017, at 9:23 AM, Hanno Böck wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 14:43:21 + > Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy > wrote: > >> Without the private key, im not sure how we're supposed to confirm >> key

Re: Certificates with shared private keys by gaming software (EA origin, Blizzard battle.net)

2017-12-25 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
mU5G8b_nfn9Hilet-VRsCIqD2QrmBC8XvVEQJ1FYtdHiQVDvhxWG-dP8Or2sZg7A3vFdA%3D%3D&u=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fv5vqedX On Monday, 25 December 2017 16:44:03 UTC+2, Jeremy Rowley wrote: Without the private key, im not sure how we're supposed to confirm key compromise. ___ de

Re: Certificates with shared private keys by gaming software (EA origin, Blizzard battle.net)

2017-12-25 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Without the private key, im not sure how we're supposed to confirm key compromise. > On Dec 25, 2017, at 3:32 AM, Adrian R. via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > The BattleNet app needs to be installed and running, i am logged in with a > battlenet account. > > the public certificate is atta

RE: CA generated keys

2017-12-11 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
I think key escrow services are pretty rare related to TLS certs. However, there's lots of CAs and services that escrow signing keys for s/MIME certs. Although, I'm not sure how companies can claim non-repudiation if they've escrowed the signing key, a lot of enterprises use dual-use keys and want

RE: DigiCert-Symantec Announcement

2017-12-05 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hi everyone, We met the December 1 deadline of integrating with Symantec systems, and all validation and issuance of TLS certificates is currently flowing through DigiCert’s backend. Initial results appear generally positive, with the validation staff processing orders and delivering certi

RE: Anomalous Certificate Issuances based on historic CAA records

2017-11-30 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
...@sleevi.com; douglas.beat...@gmail.com; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org; Paul Wouters ; Ben Laurie ; Jeremy Rowley Subject: Re: Anomalous Certificate Issuances based on historic CAA records Right, and to my point: Each transparency mechanism has to be specific to the

RE: Anomalous Certificate Issuances based on historic CAA records

2017-11-29 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
be a more useful tools for researchers if there was a good way to make the record check results more publicly available. Jeremy From: Ben Laurie [mailto:b...@google.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:01 PM To: Jeremy Rowley Cc: douglas.beat...@gmail.com; mozilla-dev-security-pol

RE: Anomalous Certificate Issuances based on historic CAA records

2017-11-29 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
The Thawte records aren't showing any CAA record preventing wildcards either. Here's the Thawte CAA record logs for the domain: 2017-09-13 05:25:09.117 [pool-3058695-thread-1] [] INFO c.s.s.r.service.CAAV2CheckService - Lookup domain: trnava-vuc.sk type: 257 result: 4 lookupTimeout: 500 2017-

DigiCert/Symantec updates

2017-11-15 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
Hey everyone, I wanted to give the community and update on how the DigiCert-Symantec transition is going and make everyone aware of a few issues I recently created on Bugzilla. First, the good news. DigiCert has started validating and issuing certificates through the Symantec platform f

RE: Question on CAA processing for mixed wildcard and non-wildcard SAN DNS names

2017-11-15 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
IMO - This is the correct interpretation. Yourca could disuse the wildcard cert for *.example.com but could not issue a cert with multiple SANs containing both *.example.com and example.com. -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy [mailto:dev-security-policy-bounces+jeremy.rowley=

RE: .tg Certificates Issued by Let's Encrypt

2017-11-15 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
We had a conversation with the tg registry, and it looks like the TLD was compromised until Nov 10. Here's a snippet: TG Registry (FR): Nous sommes C.A.F.E Informatique & TĂ©lĂ©communications, gestionnaire technique du .tg. Nous rĂ©pondons Ă  vos requĂȘtes avec l'accord de l'ART&P, le gestionnaire admi

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