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le we can figure out how to take another cut
at this (I'm not sure exactly what the procedure is to get a side tag
update like this edited and retagged, we may *possibly* have to create
a new side tag, tag all the existing builds onto that, add a webkitgtk
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> # Date: 2024-02-12
> # Time: 17:00 UTC
> # Location:
> https://matrix.to/#/#blocker-review:fedoraproject.org?web-instance[element.io]=chat.fedoraproject.org
Of course, this should say 'F40'
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t; - approved of the KDE
SIG's decision to stop maintaining Plasma X11. I can't speak for FESCo,
but if I had been on FESCo, I don't think I would've had in my mind
"approving this Change creates a ban on anybody at all maintaining
Plasma X11 packages in Fedora" when voting on it.
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regenerate the base disk images so they're up
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build from *a different branch*
*temporarily*. It says nothing about allowing a new Rawhide build to be
lower versioned than the previous one.
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ion". So
it'll use a release like 0.(date)git(tag).(rel). If your snapshot is a
post-release snapshot, you need to provide %autorelease with more cues
about how to version it to get the desired effect. This is the problem
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in
before pushing out version bumps.
If the "upgraded" build never made it into a compose (as is likely the
case for python-pywlroots) you're *probably* okay, but it's still
something to be careful about - for instance you might fall into the
trap golang-google-grpc fell into with t
- theoretically, a bad
change to the package could cause all sorts of consequences, since it
fiddles with the default prompt.
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not.
As this is not a critical part of the test, I have just disabled it
until the FAS outage is resolved, and re-run the failed tests. Affected
updates should be unblocked soon. Sorry for the trouble.
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On Mon, 2024-01-08 at 13:57 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> On 08-01-2024 17:16, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > Doing it this way was Ben's preference (he wanted to be able to see
> > that every bug was updated and get a notice from the script for any
> > singl
.
>
>
> There also used to be Rawhide bugs reassigned to latest stable Fedora, I
> might have missed something, but I don't think that has happened.
I don't think that's quite right. What happens is that Rawhide bugs get
moved to the *new branched* (not stable) release, and naturally
t have to check with the BZ admin whether
there's any upper limit on how many bugs you can request a mass change
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for any future major Erlang
bump? Thanks. It looks like we will need to update rabbitmq to 3.12 for
it to stand any chance of working in 39 or Rawhide. I will see if
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he Change process.
If you file a Change, I think all that will happen is that a lot more
bureaucracy will happen before somebody says "hey, we'd better ask
nforro about this" anyway. :D
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s the format of the files have to do with where they live?
I don't see any reason we can have heterodox config file formats in
/etc, but not in /usr. (Indeed, practically speaking, we already have
lots of different formats in both places).
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:3.1.3-1.fc40.x86_64
the update failed gating because of qt5-qtimageformats, but all the
others also ought to be rebuilt onto the side tag before this is
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On Mon, 2023-11-27 at 14:12 +0100, mkol...@redhat.com wrote:
> On Fri, 2023-11-24 at 15:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2023-11-21 at 13:34 +0100, Jiri Konecny wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Is Anaconda Initial Setup important for
-in and Change review
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openQA tests. I'd estimate about one
update every two or three days fails tests for legit reasons.
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er account, i-s will run on
first boot and allow (not sure if it requires) user creation. This is
probably the case for other non-GNOME desktops too (GNOME uses its own
gnome-initial-setup).
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aintainer or a
provenpackager changing the state again). For regular release updates
the maintainer can at least "unpush" them, though I'm not sure this
fully achieves the goal. For Rawhide updates it looks like you can't
even do that, which is awkward. I'd say it's probably worth filing a
Bo
they
really want a more text-ish dash. This may be the case for a lot of
text, but it's definitely not the case for CLI tool manpages. When they
write an ASCII dash, they want it to stay as an ASCII dash.
With the 'new' behaviour, you have to markup or escape your ASCII
dashes somehow to prevent groff
On Mon, 2023-11-13 at 19:28 +0100, Thomas Haller wrote:
> On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 12:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 19:07 +, Chris Kelley wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I have a GitHub Action
> > > (https://github.
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fails' for other
reasons (commonly internal package conflicts which aren't really a big
problem), and so it cannot be set as a gating test at present even on
Rawhide.
openQA will catch cases like this only when the update is a critical
path one (so openQA actually tests it) and the broken dependency
fails' for other
reasons (commonly internal package conflicts which aren't really a big
problem), and so it cannot be set as a gating test at present even on
Rawhide.
openQA will catch cases like this only when the update is a critical
path one (so openQA actually tests it) and the broken dependency
Maybe I'll have to add a test somehow.
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> Hey folks! Just to keep everyone in the loop regarding F39 plans.
>
> As you may have noticed, we've slipped once or twice already (depending
> on whether you count the "early target date") and are in danger of
&g
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On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 20:51 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:33 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 22:02 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 04:55:57PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
On Wed, 2023-10-25 at 22:02 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 04:55:57PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > 6. distribution - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2242759 - NEW: anyone at
> > all to come up with a genius fix, otherwise we'll likely have
issue.
Possibly it's specific to the NVIDIA 9800 GT graphics card, at least
that's the best impression I can get from your posts.
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apply to both, as the only difference should be uboot-tools; we would
want to run ARM hardware tests, at least, on both composes if possible.
The usual announcement mails will be sent for the completed composes.
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sults as it
can have problematic consequences if the problem *does* reproduce for
subsequent updates.
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> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 08:40:43PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> > > 6. distribution - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/2242759 - NEW
> > > dnf system-upgrade fails on some R
om/2242759 - NEW
dnf system-upgrade fails on some RPi4 due to system boot date that pre-
dates gpg key
We're still kinda kicking around ideas for "fixing" this, but I think
if push comes to shove, we'll wind up revoting or waiving it as not
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te #2" milestone of 31 October. The release schedule[3]
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> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:24 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure I have time to take this, but glancing over it, I have a
> > suggestion on how to further automate the release stuff.
> >
&g
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one "pending" Fedora release - Rawhide. If
there's more than one, there will be two, and the other one will be
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endencies ==
N/A
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: Everything stays as is.
* Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Blocks release? No
== Documentation ==
We'll try to update the documentation and figure out a way to share
more of the content between those variants.
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endencies ==
N/A
== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: Everything stays as is.
* Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Blocks release? No
== Documentation ==
We'll try to update the documentation and figure out a way to share
more of the content between those variants.
== Rele
upport has been added to Bodhi but not
deployed to prod yet, we will probably do that after F39 Final. Then we
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On Mon, 2023-10-16 at 11:39 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
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> aware of the issue. A KDE package was prematurely rebuilt against kf6
> before https://pagure.io/fedora-kde/SIG/issue/399 was sorted out, and
> thi
kf6 file conflicts and allow
tests to succeed again. If this doesn't work we'll just untag the
offending build (kde-partitionmanager) until the conflicts can be fully
sorted out. Once we have a resolution I will be re-running failed
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is in the ticket. If you have passionate opinions on this, please read
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t -3, +1 in voting currently. Needs more votes. If it happens
to be accepted, anaconda team would have to decide on a fix.
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recently, and it seems reasonably likely that the sshd socket one won't
be needed once
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/29159#issuecomment-1714205320
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The anchor is "whenever someone remembers we have to do it".
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file a bug, and nominate it as a release blocker.
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won't work out the requirements from tox.ini , but then you can't run
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t of scripts in
kexec-tools between F38 and F39 which have the effect that a
crashkernel= arg will almost always get added whenever a kernel is
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those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting
works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out
the SOP on the wiki:
- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
Have a good day and see you tomorrow!
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On Fri, 2023-10-06 at 14:17 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:04 AM Adam Williamson
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> >
> > On Wed, 2023-10-04 at 12:19 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:44 AM Martin Stransky
> > &
usively
> > used for this broken feature.
> >
> > It would be really great to get the final Fedora 39 iso working again.
> >
>
> An update has been proposed:
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-f71507e281
The bug still needs to be accepted a
381/
That doesn't seem to really fit, though. You need to be able to at
least set environment variables and execute processes to exploit that,
right? That hardly covers "all publically reachable servers".
I guess it's the closest candidate, but meh. In any case, the updates
fo
mit_build -m 32768
Thanks for the idea, Kalev. I went ahead and applied this, and builds
for F38 and F39 succeeded. Let's hope it really helps and this wasn't
just luck!
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day, I hope!
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vides similar functionality? (I've
> looked, but come up empty thus far.)
Could we possibly just vendor the old async stuff into fail2ban for now
to keep it usable until upstream manages to rewrite everything? I agree
that we should really try to avoid this dying, it does seem to be
fairly co
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look into the changes between the latest 5.9 release that fails to
build, and the earliest 5.10 release you can find that does build, and
look for changes that seem likely related to the build failure. You may
be able to identify and backport the fix.
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be fixed.
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ng the "Show Beta Downloads" switch, but there doesn't appear to be
> > any way to download the beta for Workstation or IoT.
>
> Odd. It shows fine here.
>
> Caching issue?
Workstation is fine, IoT is not.
I kept trying to ping people to ensure IoT was prepared for Beta,
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it. They
likely already pull new releases of their project downstream as a
matter of course. Automating it doesn't really seem like it's exposing
us to any radical increase in potential licensing problems.
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velopment and it doesn't seems to be a problem.
Sure, it's not a problem *yet*. Microsoft is only just starting to
crank up the enshittification machine...
https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/13/github_alienates_customers_by_force/
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for a few packages, and it's just a bit messy...
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. Have we always had this clash? I don't recall.
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On Thu, 2023-09-14 at 14:50 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:42 PM Colin Walters wrote:
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> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:20:09AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > > IIRC
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