to see
whether people comply.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Dave Ackrill
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 20:48 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
John B. Stephensen wrote:
A member
Asking a lawyer is the last person you would ask for technical advice. Try
asking an engineer not a lawyer.
Bob, AA8X
- Original Message -
From: Rik van Riel
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is
A lawyer with an engineering degree would be the best person to interpret FCC
regulations. The ARRL has engineers and lawyers and deals with the FCC so they
are the best source of free advice in the U.S.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Bob John
To: digitalradio
CHIP64 is legal above 222 MHz -- they're assuming that the user will notice
that it's spread-spectrum and act accordingly.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: jose alberto nieto ros
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 23:30 UTC
://wireless.fcc.gov/index.htm?job=rules_and_regulations).
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: jose alberto nieto ros
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 23:52 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Is ROS Documentation Published?
And ROS
that I had been a ham. And as they say
the rest is history.
John, W0JAB
No, never did work him but I did see a note in the log
to look for him on 20 meters.
At 09:31 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
I wonder if one of them was a friend of mine, Mike (G4SMA)?
He lived just up the hill from the MEB depot that I worked at when in my
late teens and I used to pop in to see
it as such, and apparently for no other reason.
Can you offer us some help here Jose? (like maybe recheck if it really is
spread spectrum vs FSK) and re-write your description?
Thanks,
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote:
The FCC has stated , today
that is eliminating the use of your program on
HF frequencies here in the USA.
thanks again for such a neat looking program. I hope to be able to QSO with you
using it soon
Thank you so much and keep up the great work,
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, jose alberto nieto ros nietoro
on one set
of frequencies and odd symbols on another set of frequencies.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: jose alberto nieto ros
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 23:00 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US
the US FCC rules.
Thanks again,
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, jose alberto nieto ros nietoro...@...
wrote:
You can download ROS User Guide 1.0
The introduction explain what is ROS and It speak about a 144 tone FSK.
In a few days a will write a introduction to FSK esquemes
the nay say'ers fair in this. there are indeed
those that can't bear to not be the ones in control of the crowd. Me, I really
don't care one way or the other, but do prefer that real facts be discussed
rather than conjured up arguments based on inapplicable rules.
73 sir
John
KE5HAM
with software written outside the
U.S.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: KH6TY
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 22:59 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
Next step is to formally petition the FCC
So sorry Dave
IN my country, it is still an expression of respect. Here we go with those
pesky language barriers again ... HiHi
I will try to be more irreverent, condescending, or rude when addressing you in
the future . LOL
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave
at 54 FR 39537, Sept. 27, 1989;
56 FR 56172, Nov. 1, 1991; 60 FR 55486, Nov. 1, 1995; 71 FR 25982, May
3, 2006; 71 FR 66465, Nov. 15, 2006]
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: jose alberto nieto ros
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 23:39
spectrum increases the
occupied bandwidth without the decrease in power.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: W2XJ
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 01:24 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
I have
the signals.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rik van Riel
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 02:32 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
On 02/23/2010 09:00 PM, KH6TY wrote:
The distinguishing
) definition of SS versus FSK. Once he (the program author) understood
the difference in that definition, he immediately noted his program was NOT SS
at all, but was in fact FSK. Argument should be over? TRUE? NOT TRUE?
Dave, where would we go from here . if we were in your country?
John
KE5HAM
The problem is that he said that ROS uses FHSS in the documentation. If the
final version doesn't use FHSS, DSSS or any other form of SS and a technical
specification is published the FCC will have no objection.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Rik van Riel
this is done the
problem will be solved.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: John
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 03:41 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`
OK, I am starting to agree with Dave now
that of a communications quality A3E emission.
Given the width of some amateur AM signals on 80 meters, this limit seems to be
10 kHz below 29 MHz.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Trevor .
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 09:18 UTC
or just transferring
data in both directions? I just don't see the threat from automated Pactor
stations as they are legal on every amateur frequency outside the U.S. and they
haven't taken over there.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: KH6TY
To: digitalradio
in the time
after Riley left.
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Trevor . m5...@... wrote:
So it's down to interpretation and it'll hinge on the FCC's formal definition
of Spread Spectrum with luck ROS will fall outside of it.
Does anybody plan to contact the FCC this morning
valid points about their own arguments, but the tow simply do not go together.
Am I missing something besides a few marbles now? My head is spinning from all
these rules being bandied about, that may have no application here at all.
John
KE5HAM
transmitter, those shifted frequencies are now
called spread spectrum instead. I am having a great deal of difficulty
understanding, other than the author happened to call his scheme spread
spectrum in his technical documentation.
Thanks
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh
valid points about their own arguments, but the tow simply do not go together.
Am I missing something besides a few marbles now? My head is spinning from all
these rules being bandied about, that may have no application here at all.
John
KE5HAM
Not really Jim
I for one never stopped using the old machines.
Therefore never had to bring em back out.
It's the only way I do RTTY here.
John, W0JAB
Then I guess there are a few people
bringing old mechanical Teletype gear back to life and using it for
rag-chewing for old times' sake.
Jim
it,
which in turn causes the transmitter to output on a variety of different
instantaneous frequencies based on that input data.
The question of If we run RTTY with 850 Hz shift like we
did in the old days, has that turned into spread spectrum? is a very valid
question indeed ...
John
KE5HAM
the FCC to set aside
a small part of the band just for their mode.
Of course I passed it off as PURE B-S but would not put it passed her to
try it.
John, W0JAB
Louisiana, Missouri
At 09:51 AM 2/21/2010, you wrote:
Actually John, I am beginning to think that there could be merit in
protecting some frequencies for certain use . Maybe the PACTOR, WINMOR,
PACKET, ALE, PSKMAIL, unattended stations SHOULD get a small slice of
spectrum.
And for the attended stations?
or Amtor QSO they run across.
Remember guys, not every pactor signal on the air is a robot
station. It could very well be Tony and I having a nice QSO.
John, W0JAB
-snow is melting-
The attachments are a good illustration why the rules should be changed. Olivia
and ROS use a similar amount of spectrum so the FCC shouldn't be calling one
legal and the other illegal based on how they were generated.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Tony
Illegal immigration is also not allowed, but our government supports it. So
have fun with ROS.
Bob, AA8X
- Original Message -
From: Dave
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?
than the
bandwidth.
The FCC regulations are all about labelling things. They should be modified to
regulate by bandwidth but that will never happen if people ignore the law
instead of petitioning to change it.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: n9dsj
To: digitalradio
regulations.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: w2xj
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 19:17 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]
I have spent the last hour looking through part 97. I find nothing that
would prohibit
Ok so what if it is...
This is not the first time (nor will it be the last time)
that this has happen.
My question is where do they all come from?
Why would someone take the time to write the
program if it can't be used?
Not all radio sevices reference 2.201 so changing part 97 wouldn't be a major
problem for the FCC.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: vinceinwaukesha
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 21:19 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS - make
by the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau to assure compliance
with the FCC Rules, a station must:
(1) Restrict transmissions of any digital code to the extent instructed; and
(2) Maintain a record, convertible to the original information, of all digital
communications transmitted.
73,
John
KD6OZH
and protect the bands, and I do know that experimentation is more than just
expected or tolerated, but is virtually mandated by the very nature of our
hobby/service by law.
John
KE5HAM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio expeditionra...@...
wrote:
Given the fact that ROS Modem has
representative and have them
petition the FCC to change the rules. One solution is to eliminate the emission
designators and change the RTTY/data segment of each HF band to 0-500 Hz wide
emissions and the phone/image of each HF band to 0-8 kHz wide emissions with
0-20 kHz above 29 MHz.
73,
John
KD6OZH
legal. ROS is
another good reason for regulation by bandwidth instead of the overly
restrictive system in the current FCC regulations.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: KH6TY
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 18:19 UTC
Subject: Re
Ok what's the bottom line?
Is it or is it not?
At this time my in box is overloaded with ROS subjects.
And rather reading them all or deleting all
Can someone just tell me?
John, W0JAB
Unfortunately, its illegal below 420 MHz in the U.S.
73
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: John Becker, WØJAB
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 19:12 UTC
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?
Ok what's the bottom line
please, please, no , not to Canada, they all argue too much hi hi
john
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Simon HB9DRV
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:37 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS
This 1999 report and order didn't change the frequencies allowed. The 2007
edition of the FCC rules and regulations shows that SS is allowed down to 222
MHz.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: Glenn L. Roeser
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February
those of any other
country that I have seen. A few years ago, the ARRL proposed changes (which I
supported) that would have changed the regulations to limit bandwidth rather
than emission type but their members rejected the idea and they withdrew the
petition.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original
of the
original.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original Message -
From: AC TALBOT
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 19:18 UTC
Subject: [digitalradio] (unknown)
The term Spread Spectrum can apply to any mode that spreads its
energy over more than
Just how many sound card modes are there now?
And what is the number that look just like another mode?
I have found it only around 14,109.
But like many many modes - it's not used much.
John, W0JAB
At 03:37 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote:
Lately I've been playing around with MT63 at the 500 hz bandwidth. It was
just about the only digital mode that I had not experimented with since
getting
RTTY should be used in the LSB mode regardless of the band.
I don't use software for RTTY so I cant tell you a thing about that.
Of course.
Not being a sound card guy when it comes to RTTY.
John, W0JAB
At 04:56 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote:
I use USB dfor FSK, simply because I want the low side of the signals to show
up on the left side of the waterfall, and the high frequencies to show up to
the right. Because
At 06:58 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote:
even some of the AFSK/RTTY people use USB.
I have seen this too and at times wonder why.
I think maybe because the other modes are USB.
I got into RTTY in 1976. Still use a machine for RTTY.
Looks like someone has done their homework RTTY...
John, W0JAB
Still using a 28 ASR
At 10:30 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Sven sven9...@... wrote:
Hi,
I' ve searched the Internet for RTTY decoding methods and found the
following:
...
Are there other
think someone has had a couple too many ALEs, or wobblys as they are known
as in cow country.
ALE activity has all but disappeared on 14109, except for a few diehards .
paranoia strikes again
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
At 05:02 PM 2/7/2010, you wrote:
With the long qsb faded outs on 500 Khz 60 seconds '
in' 20 'out sort of thing arq is the only way of having a qso ..
but most of the EU stations are limited to 100 Hz b/w ..
How do you deal with a limit like that?
h think you might want to confirm that most EU stations are limited
to 100hz B/W
How would you explain all the Olivia, mPSK, pactor, and RFSM stations
operating in EU?
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Becker
At 10:40 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote in part:
but some of the other ARQ protocals I've played with look like a mess when
you're a station on the outside looking in...
I have never found that to be true with PACTOR or AMTOR.
Can't speak for the sound card ARQ modes.
At 11:21 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote: (in part)
: No serial connections and no external TNC please.
Is there a reason?
that stuff again.
got my interest up !
John
www.digikey.com
At 12:46 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote:
I have a aea pk-88 tnc and a kenwood radio, they both have the same 8 pin male
connector, so I need to buy some female 8 pin connectors and wire it up.
Know of any good cheap sources (online) or in MA?
At 03:43 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote:
I thought of digikey or mouser, but what is the generic electronic part name
for it?
got me ! not having either one.
Testing with a monster signal nearby will be interesting. The ADC in the SDR-IQ
digitizes several MHz at a time and then does filtering. The ADC in the sound
card digitizes only a few kHz from the TS-2000 audio. You'll see which has
better dynamic range.
73,
John
KD6OZH
- Original
a email letting you know
that that is their frequency.
This issue is far from being over, done, kaput.
John, W0JAB
In the cold heartland
Anyone on this list have one of there rig's?
If so please get back to me.
Tnx, John, W0JAB
As the owner of 4 of them going back to the late
1970's let me jump in here for a bit.
Your answer depends on what you are looking to do with it.
I still use a program called YAPP for QSO's
John, W0JAB
At 12:07 PM 1/19/2010, you wrote:
Hello,
Now that the major issues with WINMOR
have to take a look at it.
John, W0JAB
At 02:07 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote:
I am not a regular user of CSS software but it looks like the CD contains
Radio Operations Center which is a native Windows app and actually quite a
decent program that allows you full control of an MMC with Pactor/Amtor
I guess that's because you Andy are the only one that I know
of that try's *every* new mode that comes down the pike.
I guess I really need to take a good look at some of the newer
sound card modes. I just got so turned off by that do nothing
PSK 31.
At 12:11 PM 1/9/2010, you wrote:
What a deal! Just the thing to run on your 8088 PC.
What are you trying to say?
AMTOR like PACTOR are ARQ modes.
Amtor does have a FEC mode to it. But it very hard
to find anyone using Amtor now days with all the
sound cards modes around today.
At 01:57 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
Listening just now on my xmas present, a Kenwood TH-F6A, on 10, 15, and 20m,
heard PLENTY of
May be workable in a large city but for those of us
that live in the rural areas, we would be taking to our self.
At 03:39 PM 1/2/2010, you wrote:
I'm curious to what is the reason for a lack of interest on VHF/UHF FM to do
anything other than talk on the local repeater.
At 05:01 PM 1/2/2010, you wrote:
We have a group on SSB here
Here being?
OK
forgive me for not being up to date on this but
in 100 words or less - what is RS ID?
Tnx - I think I still have that one laying around here someplace.
At 06:37 PM 12/28/2009, you wrote:
and if you need more than 100 words, see my description in November QST.
Andy K3UK
are really comfortable and competent
typists? (as a percentage of the whole).
Just my Point of view.
John G3OBU
. . . . . .
--- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, obrienaj k3uka...@.. . wrote:
I'm all for a good digital mode rag
these
'clatterers' ? !).
Sure do. And still do RTTY that way.
Getting harder and harder to find printer paper and TD tape.
Have 4 - 28 machines all still running like clock work.
John, W0JAB
Know what you mean there Jim.
I have been doing a lot of Amtor and pactor lately.
Had a opening to VK land the other day for a nice
QSO for over an hour.
John, W0JAB
At 07:31 PM 12/27/2009, you wrote:
I would love to have rag chews with DX stations, but in fact
I just about never answer CQs from
we can only guess since you did not give to much information.
A frequency and time would be most helpful.
At 10:53 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
I HAVE BEEN MONITORING 160 AND 80 METER DIGITAL FREQUENCIES THIS EVENING
..I HEAR SOME TELETYPE BUT CANT DECODE IT
IT SOUNDS LIKE 150 -
Been awhile since I have seen anything.
But I have missed a lot since my motorcycle crash
back in May.
John, W0JAB
Gary
I feel you are right on !
The problem is very much people are just lazy
and want everything on a silver platter.
Many feel it's a right not a privilege
I can see by your call that you have been here for a while.
I can still remember question number 5 on my test.
what happens to the plate
At 10:41 PM 12/15/2009, you wrote in part:
No one wants to send real cards. I would have cards made,
but who would I send them to when i know damn well I ain't
gonna get a REAL card in return?
try me!
At 11:55 AM 12/15/2009, you wrote in part:
So... Here is the idea. Would you be amenable to allowing Technician Class
licensees to operate digital modes in the Technician CW bands.
No.
really think all of us old guard guys got over it years ago.
John, W0JAB
have a look inside my pick up here
http://www.hamradio-dv.org/aor/digital-ssb/fellow-users/fellow-users-pics/w0jab/w0jab-stn.htm
At 06:54 PM 12/15/2009, you wrote:
I would agree with Danny but think it would be better just limiting them to 5
watts (and avoiding the CW bands) . To really annoy people, I will point out
my long standing view that a license should not be required at all, other
than the completion of a
log back
N9WVM, John
--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Peter L. Jackson gipsee...@vfemail.net wrote:
From: Peter L. Jackson gipsee...@vfemail.net
Subject: [digitalradio] HRD Final Beta
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:41 PM
Release Date
The target release
figuring out PC-ALE and MARS ALE is a steeper learning curve than what I
expected hi hi. Good exercise for the brain
thanks for your input
John
VE5MU/CIW444
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ALE
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009
the scan and do a WINMOR connect for high speed data exchange. Since
these programs are not using the sound cards at the same time, it appears to
work.
Now this is unproven so far, but thought I would share this and see what
others can discover. LabPSkmor, anyone?
John
VE5MU/CFARS CIW444
hmmm could it possibly be that the ARRL are out of step with the
rest of the world? Maybe the ARRL might consider changing
to match what the rest of us are doing. Mind you , I've never known the
ARRL to be wrong before J
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Yes that is what I was hearing as well as watching.
Sorry John, but what you are witnessing is not Packet stations transmitting on
top of each other.
OK Charles that's enough you can now move on
and bad mouth whatever mode it next on your hit
list. this one is over done with.
John, W0JAB
why is it that I can put my mark tone in between
your packet mark and space and have a QSO without
you ever QRM'ing my pactor QSO? seem that packet
has out lived it's usefulness.
At 10:11 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
John, what I am 'badmouthing' is illegal and rude operating habits.
AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
Not making a lot of sense there, John.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Charles
what TNC tones are you using and what is your
dial frequency?
For the life of me I cant see why we (pactor stations)
don't have the same problem as you.
John, W0JAB
and
have a QSO *without* him QRM'ing my QSO
While all are using the same tones.
At 01:42 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
Charles
what TNC tones are you using and what is your
dial frequency?
For the life of me I cant see why we (pactor stations)
don't have the same problem as you.
John, W0JAB
transmitting at the same time a lot. Since the Pactor freq
that I like to hang out is real close by.
John, W0JAB
Louisiana, Missouri
OK all put a stop to this.
John, W0JAB
moderator
.
In Canada, amateurs are limited to a maximum power output, and a maximum
bandwidth (6khz) except on 30M where it is 1khz bandwidth. Even with the
freedom to operate any mode anywhere, the vast majority of operators more or
less follow the established band plans.
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio
No date or time stamp but I had part of a
VK3 call on the screen from overnight.
John, W0JAB
in the center of
fly over country
, and a cooling system designed for
higher power digital.
my 2 cents from the great white north
John
VE5MU
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ted Wager
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:02 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject
I noticed that I had part of a VK3 call on the screen from
over night. Don't know if it was someone trying to connect
or just an ID.
But just to let you know that I do have the station on
the 20 meter freq when I'm not there.
John, W0JAB
Sounds like the audio from a computer game.
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