[e-gold-list] Re: fishing

Recently posted on list: "The purpose of government is not to claim apriori rights, but to allow homesteaders to claim their rights by protecting these rights from others who might seek to invade their fishing territories once they are established. To do this, the government needs to allow claims

[e-gold-list] [GoldBarter] Contest results

Hello all, JPM sure has some great ideas! His idea also created paths we haven't seen before. Thus, he wins the contest. Congratulations JP! Tristan Petersen GoldBarter.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[e-gold-list] Re: PayPal to charge 2%

> In an article in today's Atlanta Journal Constitution >they report > that PayPal will be charging an average 2% of >payments received > for business accounts. This is nothing new. PayPal has always charged 1.9% for their business accounts to receive payments. Khurram Khan __

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

> The right to exclude other's from nature's benefits is a government > granted right and it has economic value. Land titles are government > created legal rights to the exclusive use of natural resources. Land and > natural resources are prior to human employment and use and to economic > product

[e-gold-list] Re: David the radical

> A single fiat currency seems better than multiple fiat currencies either > floating against each other or fixed against each other. I emphatically disagree. Fiat currencies can only be imposed by depriving people of alternatives. The larger their scope the more alternatives can be eliminated

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Natural resources -- including land -- are, by definition, completely useless > until somebody takes first ownership and makes something of them. Try a > little thought exercise: > > "David Hillary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >[big snip] > > The right to excl

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

> >Land and "natural resources" are prior to human employment but they have > >no human value prior to human employment. All value is a consequence of > >production; nature by itself has no benefits. When the value produced > >by one individual is or would be destroyed by the actions of another

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation (fishing)

> Establishing property rights in a fishery goes like this: > You go and get some fish. > When you have them on board and off the decks (so you can't easily > loose them), they are now your property. No government required here. > > The government auctioning the right to fish presupposes that the

[e-gold-list] Fwd: Re: e-gold update

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[e-gold-list] Re: land ho!

> ... NOW -- what does the actual LAND question have to do > with that? In fact -- nothing. All of the above could proceed with > NO INVOLVEMENT with real estate. You are right: the issue of "land" is largely a red herring. The problem is not really land but people's minds: a lack of unders

[e-gold-list] Re: Question about: voluntary taxation

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If the Government debt is in the trillions of dollars, what is use as > collateral against that debt? Who is the debt really owed to, and if tax is > not voluntary, why does it say it is in the IRS tax code? the main collateral is the government's ability to raise re

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

Craig Spencer wrote: > > > The right to exclude other's from nature's benefits is a government > > granted right and it has economic value. Land titles are government > > created legal rights to the exclusive use of natural resources. Land and > > natural resources are prior to human employment a

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation (fishing)

David Hillary wrote: > > Bob wrote: > > > > David Hillary wrote: > > > > The allocation of > > > natural resources in these circumstances is characterised by > > > inefficiency and imprudent use (e.g. a fishery will by inefficiently > > > over-harvested if many fishers can access it without rest

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

Bob wrote: > > David Hillary wrote: > > >Human demand is responsible for all economic/ground rent, as the supply > >of land is inelastic. > > Granted it's inelastic. But there's buko amounts of it. You can give > all the people in the world a tiny house and fit 'em in the state > of Texas. > >

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation (fishing)

Bob wrote: > > David Hillary wrote: > > The allocation of > > natural resources in these circumstances is characterised by > > inefficiency and imprudent use (e.g. a fishery will by inefficiently > > over-harvested if many fishers can access it without restriction). In > > order to use the pric

[e-gold-list] Re: David the radical

>> The larger the area of the currency the more worthwhile it is for >> alternative currencies and payments systems to compete with it, > >I disagree. The larger the scope of fiat money the more easily the >alternatives can be supressed. > >CCS I agree with CCS that fiat currencies are "just wro

[e-gold-list] Re: PayPal to charge 2%

At 04:56 PM 2/11/2001 -0600, SnowDog wrote: > > In an article in today's Atlanta Journal Constitution they report > > that PayPal will be charging an average 2% of payments received > > for business accounts. >[...] > > Details at... > > >

[e-gold-list] land ho!

At 6:04 PM -0500 2/11/01, CCS wrote: >Land and "natural resources" are prior to human employment but they have >no human value prior to human employment. There is an excellent article in _Capital, the unknown ideal_ by Ayn Rand dealing with the appropriate way for Government to lot-out

[e-gold-list] Re: PayPal to charge 2%

> In an article in today's Atlanta Journal Constitution they report > that PayPal will be charging an average 2% of payments received > for business accounts. [...] > Details at... > Curio

[e-gold-list] Re: David the radical

> A single fiat currency seems better than multiple fiat currencies > either floating against each other or fixed against each other. I emphatically disagree. Fiat currencies can only be imposed by depriving people of alternatives. The larger their scope the more alternatives can be eliminate

[e-gold-list] re: euros, e-gold advertising

> > >A random note re: politics and economics > >I just finished reading probably the most well crafted theoretical and > >imagintive work on these topics I have ever seen, and I only wish every > >thinking person in the world could do the same. I refer to the novella, > >"And Then There Were

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

> The right to exclude other's from nature's benefits is a government > granted right and it has economic value. Land titles are government > created legal rights to the exclusive use of natural resources. Land > and natural resources are prior to human employment and use and to > economic produc

[e-gold-list] re: euros, e-gold advertising

>Bob and JPM .the brightest illuminating white knights of reason and >commerce in the e-gold community MY HEROES! > >JPM, though probably receiving only a random hit here and there, >would banana like to throw a gram or two for a prominent listing at my >e-gold directory page (even tho

[e-gold-list] banana sponsors BOB's COLUMN

http://www.bananagold.com http://www.bananagold.com/bob.html Bananagold now sponsors Bob's Occasional Gold & Market Letter column -- you can read it on Banana as you buy stuff from amazon! Best JP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank

[e-gold-list] Re: Merchants (was : there you go Michael Moore!

> It's a Catch 22 situation - merchants need customers; account > holders need customers. > > George Yes but someone has to break in somewhereLooks like your doing it. Keep it up! Mike --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank e

[e-gold-list] Re: Exchange Rates

On 11 Feb 2001, at 10:52, Dagny Taggart wrote: > I am wondering why OmniPay does not post OutExchange > rates on their site? > Is this an oversight? > It used to be available. They do... via e-gold. Omnipay used to have outexchnage rates but these were the same as e-gold rates. So now they simp

[e-gold-list] Question about: voluntary taxation

If the Government debt is in the trillions of dollars, what is use as collateral against that debt? Who is the debt really owed to, and if tax is not voluntary, why does it say it is in the IRS tax code? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a bl

[e-gold-list] Question about: voluntary taxation

If the Government debt is in the trillions of dollars, what is use as collateral against that debt? Who is the debt really owed to, and if tax is not voluntary, why does it say it is in the IRS tax code? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a bl

[e-gold-list] Exchange Rates

I am wondering why OmniPay does not post OutExchange rates on their site? Is this an oversight? It used to be available. = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal

[e-gold-list] e-gold in circ, funded accts question

Someone asked about when e-gold in circulation might reach some hypothetical amount .AFAICSee, these numbers have been static for a damned long time. See my humble e-gold directory page at: www.members.tripod.com/~lowell_potter/egodir forrest --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation (fishing)

> A free market will conserve the fish just fine. There are a lot of interesting variables in this. I had a conservation teacher who was a good old boy. He had a friend that owned an entire closed off valley near Yellowstone. The valley owner managed the whole ecosystem and had a hunting lodge.

[e-gold-list] re: euros, e-gold advertising

Bob and JPM .the brightest illuminating white knights of reason and commerce in the e-gold community MY HEROES! JPM, though probably receiving only a random hit here and there, would banana like to throw a gram or two for a prominent listing at my e-gold directory page (even though I

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

Craig Spencer wrote: > > > Well, there's still these book makers in town doing a *big* business. > > There's The Gold Casino on line. There are gambling options besides > > the government of Massachusetts' games. > > Yes, but Massachusetts excludes competition IN Massachusetts for the > type of

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

David Hillary wrote: >[of course gambling is not popular in the world's most free market, >Hong Kong, is it >Bob? Good point David. I didn't think that one out. Gambling seems to be very popular in a lot of places. At least in Hong Kong one pretty much has the freedom to dig your own grave or b

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

David Hillary wrote: >Human demand is responsible for all economic/ground rent, as the supply >of land is inelastic. Granted it's inelastic. But there's buko amounts of it. You can give all the people in the world a tiny house and fit 'em in the state of Texas. And, I can have a better job of h

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation (fishing)

David Hillary wrote: The allocation of > natural resources in these circumstances is characterised by > inefficiency and imprudent use (e.g. a fishery will by inefficiently > over-harvested if many fishers can access it without restriction). In > order to use the price mechanism to ration the li

[e-gold-list] Merchants (was : there you go Michael Moore!

At 01:35 PM 2/11/2001 +1100, Michael Moore wrote: >I would like however, to introduce new blood into the business. 250,000 >new people coming into the business each day would boost and make egold >known world wide. > >But to have 2000 traders or merchants using the system and demanding payment >

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

> Well, there's still these book makers in town doing a *big* business. > There's The Gold Casino on line. There are gambling options besides > the government of Massachusetts' games. Yes, but Massachusetts excludes competition IN Massachusetts for the type of gambling it offers. This is a coer

[e-gold-list] Re: Big loan yet to be called

At 05:11 PM 2/10/2001 +1100, Michael Moore wrote: >Peculiarly enough Australian is one of the few countries that 'use' the US >dollar. You cannot go into any shop or spend us dollars in Australia. You >have to change them first. > >I think Duty Free shops may be the exceptionbut exception i

[e-gold-list] PayPal to charge 2%

Hi: In an article in today's Atlanta Journal Constitution they report that PayPal will be charging an average 2% of payments received for business accounts. This was in addition to other formerly free services who are now charging, i.e., eBay, Yahoo, Amazon etc. Details at...

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

Bob wrote: > > David Hillary wrote: > > > > > The govt can get revenue from gaming because it regulates and > > monopolises and taxes the industry, and believe me gaming taxes are not > > voluntary! > > Well, there's still these book makers in town doing a *big* business. > There's The Gold Cas

[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Can anyone offer more than 200g? Maybe two or more market makers can > get togheter and split the cost of a months advertising, and share > it, and outbid my 200g offer. Let's keep in mind that this advertising would also increase e-gold's business, too. Currently

[e-gold-list] Re: David the radical

CCS wrote: > > > >Much of what David Hillary wrote makes some sense. But the idea that > > >the Euro has some constructive economic or liberating function is > > >absurd. IMHO. > > > > Well surely "absurd" is too strong a word; this is just a friendly > > discussion after all! > > I was origin

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

David Hillary wrote: > > The govt can get revenue from gaming because it regulates and > monopolises and taxes the industry, and believe me gaming taxes are not > voluntary! Well, there's still these book makers in town doing a *big* business. There's The Gold Casino on line. There are gamblin

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

CCS wrote: > > Good serious thinking. > > > The only public revenue that is truly just and justified is that which > > is associated with and derived from the government's proper role in > > creating and allocating property rights in natural resources, > > But I would argue that the government

[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore

> Oh heck yes, let's DO add some twinkly little ads on ALL the egold pages! > ! maybe some "rotators" and some "sliding banners" (those are always > good for a little slow down) . As I understand the delays associated with the e-gold servers, it isn't the web-servers which slow down the system

[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore

>Do you remember how slow eslug was back when EEbiz was trying to use this >system ? Did you see the dent that made in the page display time ? Now, >add in a few (or even ONE) STATIC banner and see what happens ... gee, >"banner ads" ... what a GREAT idea, to REALLY slow down egold ... maybe >eve

[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore

quote > I can think of no better way of reaching them than an advert ON THE > SPEND CONFIRM MECHANISM. Yes, you have identified the absolutely perfect, premier advertising medium for reaching e-gold users. It ought to command premium prices if they would only sell it like capitalists. CCS end

[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore!

JP, > I can think of no better way of reaching them than an advert ON THE > SPEND CONFIRM MECHANISM. Yes, you have identified the absolutely perfect, premier advertising medium for reaching e-gold users. It ought to command premium prices if they would only sell it like capitalists. CCS ---

[e-gold-list] Re: voluntary taxation

Good serious thinking. > The only public revenue that is truly just and justified is that which > is associated with and derived from the government's proper role in > creating and allocating property rights in natural resources, But I would argue that the government does not "create" property

[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore!

>JP, > >How right you are. > >> on top of all that, magically the adverts WOULD BE INCOME for e-gold >> corp, and well deserved, too > >Furthermore, it would probably be their first serious income that >does not derive from the silly scams. I hope they take your bid! >Or at least someone's higher

[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore!

JP, How right you are. > on top of all that, magically the adverts WOULD BE INCOME for e-gold > corp, and well deserved, too Furthermore, it would probably be their first serious income that does not derive from the silly scams. I hope they take your bid! Or at least someone's higher bid! Ho

[e-gold-list] voluntary taxation

Bob wrote: > > David Hillary wrote: > > > > Bob wrote: > > > > Hey hey hey! What's the matter with plain 'ol voluntary taxation? > > > > Well I don't think it would be paid, hell I wouldn't pay! > > Taxation should be on land value and at the local level in my view, with > > the rent of land b