Well, truly sorry for your back, Wayne, but thank you for the discussion. I
also
thank Jim Crant for joining the discussion as well as Matt Chew for his
contributions, notably a subtitle - misanthropy, etymology and environment.
Their appearance is welcome, especially since the author of the
, and the
evolutionary bet could be to develop a holistic mind, evolve into a
k-selective species, and coevolve with other keystone (at least) species.
Gianluca Polgar
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of this phenomenon. Nature may drive us, but culture drives us
crazy.
WT
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I'm afraid I
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WT,
In thinking of culture as a psychological phenomenon that serve(s) a
utilitarian purpose--that of permitting humans to manipulate their
environment
WT,
In thinking of culture as a psychological phenomenon that serve(s) a
utilitarian purpose--that of permitting humans to manipulate their
environment, it is important to state that this manipulation (culture) has
been in many contexts, and can continue to be in given contexts, both
?
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WT and Ecolog,
Since the CBD definition of ecosystem calls it a dynamic complex
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I don't see how the CBD definition excludes humans. We and our artifacts
are part of the environment
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Not all organisms do adapt.
[[Certainly. I don't want to jump to a conclusion you didn't intend, but I
would say that, while we use adapt in a sense that could be interpreted as
having intention
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Well, we're approaching the end/beginning of the loop now. But to answer
Wayne's last question first, you can buy such a thing whenever you like via
outlets such as http://www.1worldglobes.com/ecospheres.htm . Still, no one
WT and Ecolog,
Since the CBD definition of ecosystem calls it a dynamic complex, not the
dynamic complex, it implies that there is more than one ecosystem on earth
(assuming the authors of this definition didn't define it this way to make
room for any extraterrestrial life we might one day
, July 02, 2010 8:48 AM
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WT and Ecolog,
Since the CBD definition of ecosystem calls it a dynamic complex, not
the
dynamic complex, it implies that there is more than one ecosystem on
earth
(assuming the authors of this definition
] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with the CBD
definition of ecosystems which gives the impression that only pristine areas
are ecosystems. Can anyone point us to a more recent definition of
ecosystems
Adaptation Failure of success equals maladaptation Re:
[ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Sure they do!
Check out most general ecology texts and you should find reference to an
experiment with Daphnia in which the species overshoots its resources, crashes
and then bounces above
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:14 PM, malcolm McCallum
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I do not really see ANY difference between the variation in human culture,
and the variation in
social behavior of any other organism.
I do. A difference of degree is still a difference. I think
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What distinguishes humans from the other organisms is the psychological
phenomenon of culture
One could argue that culture
: Evolution Adaptation Failure of success equals
maladaptation Re: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Sure they do!
Check out most general ecology texts and you should find reference to an
experiment with Daphnia in which the species overshoots its resources,
crashes
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:14 PM, malcolm McCallum
malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org wrote:
I do not really see ANY difference between the variation in human
culture,
and the variation in
social behavior of any other organism.
I do
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Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with the CBD
definition of ecosystems
species in the history of the earth.
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Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague
see a LOT of difference. But granted, it's only a matter
of degree--a HUGE degree.
WT
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Dear Friends
...well in my opinion that definition is not necessarily specist, unless
you do not consider humans as animals, as they obviously are.
James, would you please add some details to the problems with the part
interacting as a functional unit?
Ecosystems (once spatially and temporally - and
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Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with the CBD
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Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
Dear Friends,
An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with
the CBD
definition of ecosystems which gives the impression that only
pristine areas
are ecosystems. Can anyone point us to a more recent
Not only that, but if you have read Ricklefs 2008, the Disintegration of
the Ecological Community (Am. Nat 172:741 - DOI: 10.1086/593002), you
might even realize that THAT ecosystem definition leaves a lot to be
desired, especially the part interacting as a functional unit.
Cheers,
Jim
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