Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-05-21 Thread Brett Howard
I was one of the beta testers and I tested the unit with the standard oscillator. I haven't run into any issues and found the fixed error across all bands to be quite nice. I never saw more than about 3Hz of error no matter the frequency on the VFO dial. Thats not to mean that if you have a

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-05-21 Thread Dan AE9K
Igor and Brett, Thanks, you've answered my questions. Regarding the application, I occasionally participate in FMT exercises/competitions and have always done pretty well (within 75 milliHertz) with nothing but on-air references like WWV, lots of FFT averaging, and linear interpolation of VFO

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-05-20 Thread Dan AE9K
This may be a naive question but... If the K3EXREF keeps the K3's reference oscillator within 2 Hz, then what value is there in using the K3EXREF in conjunction with the KTCXO3 instead of just the native K3 oscillator? K3EXREF: 2 Hz error @ 14 MHz : 0.1 ppm K3TCXO3: 7 Hz error @ 14 MHz : 0.5

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-05-20 Thread Edward R. Cole
error observed was +2.5 Hz on 6m. -- Message: 29 Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan AE9K a...@pkts.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 1305907135916-6386626.p...@n2.nabble.com Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-05-20 Thread Dan AE9K
Ed, Thanks for the response. Let me clarify my question. I'm wondering if the KTCXO3 0.5 ppm oscillator can be omitted and still get great results with the K3EXREF and the standard 5 ppm oscillator. This is of interest because I intend to acquire the K3EXREF but do not have the KTCXO3 and

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-05-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I would use the KTCXO3 if I ever intended to use it apart from the reference source. I take my K3 to multi op contest weekends, field day, IOTA dxpedition class. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Dan AE9K a...@pkts.net wrote: Ed, Thanks for the response.  Let me clarify my question.  I'm

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-05-20 Thread Igor Kosvin
Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan AE9K Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 10:48 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF Ed, Thanks for the response. Let me clarify my question. I'm wondering

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-25 Thread Wes Stewart
I'm not picking on Paul, this is just a handy place to reply. I'm going to say this one more time (the first time was two years ago). I really don't understand all of the fuss about 1 Hz accuracy when just changing the K3 Width and Shift controls moves the frequency more than that and this is

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-25 Thread Wayne Burdick
Wes Stewart wrote: I really don't understand all of the fuss about 1 Hz accuracy Because so many customers asked for it. I'll leave it to them to list their reasons, but in my case, I like being dead-on over a wide range of temperatures without having to occasionally recheck my manual

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-25 Thread n5ge
Glad you're going to give it a rest. N5GE On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:45:31 -0700 (PDT), Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not picking on Paul, this is just a handy place to reply. I'm going to say this one more time (the first time was two years ago). I really don't understand all of the

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-25 Thread Wes Stewart
You should try it. --- On Fri, 3/25/11, n...@n5ge.com n...@n5ge.com wrote: From: n...@n5ge.com n...@n5ge.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 1:02 PM Glad you're going to give it a rest. N5GE On Fri, 25 Mar 2011

[Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-21 Thread Edward R. Cole
is both accurate and stabile in freq. 73, Ed - KL7UW -- Message: 37 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:40:52 -0700 From: Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF To: Jerry Muller l...@k0tv.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID

[Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-21 Thread Johnny Siu
that K3EXPEF is only required for GHz operation? Thanks for your advice in advance.  cheers, Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人﹕ Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net 收件人﹕ Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2011/3/21 (一) 7:51:37 PM 主題: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF Matt, I agree

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-21 Thread George Dubovsky
of the production units when they become available. I will probably order my second K3 with a K3EXREF. Jerry - K0TV - Original Message - From: Paul Christensen w...@arrl.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF I

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-21 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
And EME at 23cm given the rest of my station can be linked to my G3RUH GPS stabilized 10MHz ref. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/20/2011 11:51 AM, Jim Miller wrote: I'm guessing this is really useful for EME at UHF. jim ab3cv __ Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-21 Thread w4ish
my second K3 with a K3EXREF. Jerry - K0TV - Original Message - From: Paul Christensen [hidden email] To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF I installed it on Friday in about 30 minutes, but I'm comfortable

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jack Smith
On 3/19/2011 9:34 PM, Paul Christensen wrote: Major snip of excellent information At least some AM stations operating with digital subcarriers are GPS locked and can be extremely accurate. WMAL 630 KHz here in the Washington DC area is one example. It's as close to 630 KHz as I can measure

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread David Pratt
Many thanks to Ed KL7UW, Ron AC7AC and Paul W9CA for your helpful comments on the K3EXREF. I look forward to this product being available in due course and I have my 10 MHz standard poised in readiness. 73 de David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds.

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread goldtr8
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Pratt Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:49 PM To: Edward R. Cole Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF That seems quite a long time to install it, Ted. What's involved? I have looked for the manual

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Rick Stealey
Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved. Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to enlighten me as to the need for such extreme accuracy? Is it because my K3 reads out to 1 Hz but I can't really believe the absolute accuracy of that number unless I get a K3EXREF?

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread David Pratt
The K3 is indeed sufficiently accurate for amateur use, but if you already have a 10 MHz Rubidium, Caesium or GPS standard, Rick, then why not couple it up your K3? It's just another refinement and helps to put yours existing frequency standard to good use. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread ac5p
the need?  Just because its there and something the import rigs dont have? Mike AC5P From: Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 9:45:59 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF Excellent posting

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jim Miller
What's a GPSDO setup go for including an antenna? 73 jim ab3cv __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The question of 1 Hz accuracy can get multiplied a lot in VHF work. If one is talking about HF, it is hard to see the need. Personally, I *LIKE* the idea of being spot on. It's not a technological justification, but one I might spend a moderate sum to nail. If I was doing VHF or UHF work, I

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread n5ge
My reason for wanting one of them is to maintain a stable frequency on VHF and UHF. 73, Tom N5GE On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:45:59 +, Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com wrote: Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved. Now I wonder if it would be possible for someone to

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jim Miller
I'm guessing this is really useful for EME at UHF. jim ab3cv __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Bruce Beford
Jim asked: What's a GPSDO setup go for including an antenna? 73 jim ab3cv You can put together a GPSDO system with 10 MHz output for less than $200. Here's just one example: Ebay item # 290322053618 By buying the items separately, you can sometimes do even better on price. The Trimble

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Nate Bargmann
While this sounds interesting, has any progress been made for those of us who have the TCXO to be able to program its printed offsets in the firmware and have it act on them? The fields are currently there in the K3 utility but as yet unused, as I understand it. I would be pleased to have this

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
There have been some homebrew GPS standards in the literature for those who like melting solder. One was in QST back in July '98. AA engineering is offering circuit boards and has the original QST article on their site (http://www.a-aengineering.com/ ) I certainly agree with David that the K3

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Lyle Johnson
See URL:http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm 73, Lyle KK7P I have no financial interest in James' products. I know from decades of working with him that his stuff is meticulously engineered and optimised. LJ That said, IS there a GPS governed 10 Mhz source to be

[Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Edward R. Cole
for adding sub-Rx IF Out). 73, Ed - KL7UW -- Message: 33 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:45:59 + From: Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Excellent posting by W9AC, a great reference, to be saved. Now I wonder

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Paul Christensen
Another benefit of the GPS-DO is that routine calibration to ensure long-term accuracy is the responsibility of the U.S. Department of Defense, and funded by U.S. tax payers. Unless there's a hardware-related problem with the GPS-DO, calibration is someone else's problem and expense. The

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Matt Zilmer
The K3EXREF is in field test now, as far as I know. It might be a little while before Elecraft puts it up for sale. Extreme accuracy probably has two psychological and one scientific source: - The need to put the K3 dead-on frequency is reassuring to folks that aren't sure it stays that way

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jerry Muller
with a K3EXREF. Jerry - K0TV - Original Message - From: Paul Christensen w...@arrl.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF I installed it on Friday in about 30 minutes, but I'm comfortable with my way around the K3. I

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Jerry Muller
- From: Matt Zilmer mzil...@verizon.net To: Rick Stealey rstea...@hotmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF The K3EXREF is in field test now, as far as I know. It might be a little while before Elecraft puts

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jerry, RE: 14149.9 kHz --- I would not be comfortable cutting it that close in USB unless I was absolutely certain there was absolutely no energy in the SSB audio 0 to 100 Hz range. I would not trust any transmitter (no matter how good) in that regard. Keep it all within the band limits to

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-20 Thread Matt Zilmer
...@hotmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF The K3EXREF is in field test now, as far as I know. It might be a little while before Elecraft puts it up for sale. Extreme accuracy probably has two psychological

[Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-19 Thread Edward R. Cole
It took me about 1-1/2 hours to install the new EXREF for referencing the TCXO to external 10-MHz. I have not installed the new firmware or tested it yet...more news, later. 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME:

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-19 Thread David Pratt
That seems quite a long time to install it, Ted. What's involved? I have looked for the manual on-line but it does seem to up there yet. Any more details would be appreciated; I'd like to order one. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net writes It took me

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Pratt Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:49 PM To: Edward R. Cole Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF That seems quite a long time to install it, Ted. What's involved? I have looked for the manual

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-19 Thread Roger de Valle
Is the K3EXEREF production or still in test? I see no mention of it on the Elecraft WEB site, I have 10Mhz, just nowhere to plug it. Roger VK3ADA. On 20/03/2011 10:13, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Installing the K3EXREF involves installing a connector/cable assembly in the REF. hole in the K3's

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-19 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Field Test. 73, Eric WA6HHQ _..._ On 3/19/2011 4:19 PM, Roger de Valle wrote: Is the K3EXEREF production or still in test? I see no mention of it on the Elecraft WEB site, I have 10Mhz, just nowhere to plug it. Roger VK3ADA. On 20/03/2011 10:13, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Installing the

Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF

2011-03-19 Thread Paul Christensen
I installed it on Friday in about 30 minutes, but I'm comfortable with my way around the K3. I would think that most users could install it in about an hour or less. Installation is actually very simple with very few parts involved. K3EXREF came with an SMA connector and SMA to BNC