Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 at 09:58, John Dammeyer wrote: > How does one tell the spindle to do one revolution at 0.5 rps and stop either > after one rev or when a sensor input is detected? Given that I'm running the > MESA board in step/dir mode. Presumably it is running in velocity mode? Use a mu

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-24 Thread Gene Heskett
s shut down. Rough outline, I've probably forgotten something. > Thanks > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > > Sent: November-23-21 7:44 PM > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [E

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-24 Thread John Dammeyer
om: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: November-23-21 7:44 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > On Tuesday 23 November 2021 21:33:21 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Still wondering how I might make the sp

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 November 2021 21:33:21 John Dammeyer wrote: > Still wondering how I might make the spindle turn slowly and then stop > on a sensor signal. From the HAL file it's set up the same way as the > XYZA axis with respect to step_type and control-type. > > I'd want to set the velocity to sa

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
Still wondering how I might make the spindle turn slowly and then stop on a sensor signal. From the HAL file it's set up the same way as the XYZA axis with respect to step_type and control-type. I'd want to set the velocity to say 30 RPM (0.5 RPS) and during a revolution if it detects an inp

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
Not this one. > -Original Message- > From: Thaddeus Waldner [mailto:thadw...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-23-21 12:01 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > Some of those hammers have a thru-hole for pinning the

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
Sent: November-23-21 4:04 AM >> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. >> >> On Tuesday 23 November 2021 02:47:59 andy pugh wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer >> wrote: >>>

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 November 2021 14:14:23 John Dammeyer wrote: > I've ordered a retaining ring set for it. May help. The socket has a > recess for this ring to expand into but at the moment it almost falls > out by itself. The wrench is 10 years old and although not used > during that period the rub

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
r the other reasons I've mentioned. John > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: November-23-21 4:04 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > On Tuesday 23 November 2021 02:47:5

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 23 November 2021 02:47:59 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles. > > I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente > to retain the socket. I have seen some tha

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-23 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles. > > I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente > to retain the socket. > > -- > atp It has

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles. I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente to retain the socket. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
if you pressed the unload button for 5 seconds? > >> Obviously the tool would drop out. But does anything else unscrew or > >> require manual operations to put back? > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: John Figie [mailto:z

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
> From: John Figie [mailto:zephyr9...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: November-22-21 2:30 PM >> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. >> > >> > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind w

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
John Figie [mailto:zephyr9...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-22-21 2:30 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > > > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a spline > > end like the

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 17:30:08 John Figie wrote: > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a > spline end like the ones that Kurt sells for their power drawbar. My > Bridgeport came with a Kurt power drawbar. I have had it since around > 2003. Still using the same draw

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
rom: John Figie [mailto:zephyr9...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-22-21 2:30 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a spline > end like the ones that Kurt sells for their powe

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 16:35:37 John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Mathew, > I want to be able to swap easily and quickly between R8 and TTS. > Here's a selection of some of the tooling. > > http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/ToolSelection.jpg > I've quite a bit more than that John but not the variety.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
ait for the 12 point deep socket. > > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matthew Herd [mailto:herd.m...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-22-21 10:49 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
x27;t slip with the 5/8" chuck holding a 1" reduced shank drill bit. First step now is to wait for the 12 point deep socket. John > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Herd [mailto:herd.m...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-22-21 10:49 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Matthew Herd
a draw bar from oil hardening steel and hardening the head a bit so it > doesn't get carved away and ends up more slippery might also be a requirement. > > John > > >> -Original Message- >> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] >> Sent:

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
head a bit so it doesn't get carved away and ends up more slippery might also be a requirement. John > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-22-21 5:41 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Can you backdrive the impact wrench? Keep it engaged? > At the moment the loudest part of my system is the splined spindle shaft rattling in the splined pulley drive. Especially with light cuts or not engaged. Really quite annoying. Once f

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
el.net] > Sent: November-22-21 7:06 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > On Monday 22 November 2021 07:01:27 Roland Jollivet wrote: > > > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
t: November-22-21 4:15 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > What about a custom draw bar with an Andy Pugh style air cylinder release? > Seems simpler to engineer the mechanism than do all > this control. Just have a dra

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Sam Sokolik
/driver connection. > > I never thought I'd have this much trouble... > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Roland Jollivet [mailto:roland.jolli...@gmail.com] > > Sent: November-22-21 4:01 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
01 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning. > > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, up or > down. No need to force it down. > So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let t

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 07:01:27 Roland Jollivet wrote: > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, > up or down. No need to force it down. > So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let > the nut slip over. > And have a switch on driver Z to k

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 08:03, John Dammeyer wrote: > One still has to line up the socket to the hex head of the drawbar. And > since it can be at any position relative to the spindle the sensing has to > happen against the hex head. Rotate spindle until hex head is at a known > position. Ho

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Matthew Herd
What about a custom draw bar with an Andy Pugh style air cylinder release? Seems simpler to engineer the mechanism than do all this control. Just have a drawbar that’s normally retracted with a flange. Engage the flange with a mechanism on an air cylinder to release. https://m.youtube.com/wat

[Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Roland Jollivet
You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, up or down. No need to force it down. So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let the nut slip over. And have a switch on driver Z to know if it's down over the nut. You could also stop the spindle and de

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 02:48:36 John Dammeyer wrote: > > I assume you have a similar, fixed position spindle lock? I had to > > make mine. > > Nope. As a friend said the other day when I asked if he'd found a > lock on his... "I use a big hammer on the supplied wrench to tighten > or loosen i

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: dave engvall [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] > On 11/21/21 9:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Is there a way to tell the spindle to turn until it finds the index and > > stop so it's always stopping at the exact same spot? Like > decelerate to 0.5 rev per second (30 RPM) or slower and stop

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread John Dammeyer
> I assume you have a similar, fixed position spindle lock? I had to make > mine. Nope. As a friend said the other day when I asked if he'd found a lock on his... "I use a big hammer on the supplied wrench to tighten or loosen it". He's since carved a 3/4" hex head on his and is now using his

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread dave engvall
On 11/21/21 9:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: I'm running my AC Servo spindle motor as step/dir and can easily tell LCNC to do 1 RPM. I also have the quadrature encoder on it so I can do power tapping. The drive is through the MESA 7i92H as one of the stepper channels as is the encoder signal

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 00:24:40 John Dammeyer wrote: > I'm running my AC Servo spindle motor as step/dir and can easily tell > LCNC to do 1 RPM. I also have the quadrature encoder on it so I can > do power tapping. The drive is through the MESA 7i92H as one of the > stepper channels as is t

[Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-21 Thread John Dammeyer
I'm running my AC Servo spindle motor as step/dir and can easily tell LCNC to do 1 RPM. I also have the quadrature encoder on it so I can do power tapping. The drive is through the MESA 7i92H as one of the stepper channels as is the encoder signals. Is there a way to tell the spindle to tur

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-23 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Well, i think i will improve my pid to make it more accurate and then continue with the tests. About the range of the angular axis, if i use the index-enable pulse of the mesa 5i20 encoder module (wich says that the position is reset to zero when an index pulse has ocurred) for reset the counter t

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-22 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I haven't tried the ss-wrapped-rotary branch yet but I will shortly. It may do what you want in keeping the numbers between 0 - 360. That is the specific purpose for it. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:55 AM, robert wrote: > > > Well the thing that comes to my mind is to make something in hal and use

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-22 Thread robert
> Well the thing that comes to my mind is to make something in hal and use the > index pulse to reset the C axis to zero everytime the pulse is activated. So > the axis count will go from 0 to 360 degree and then start all over again > from 0. > > Well it's just an approach to what i'm trying to d

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-21 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Hello guys thanks for the attention, I'm making tests with a telemecanique VFD that has the +/- 10 volt analog input (as far as i know is a vectorial vfd but i don't know if it's the same as a flux-vector), i tried both using as a spindle and as an axis, and worked ok... i didn't tune quite well t

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-20 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Leonardo Marsaglia < leonardomarsagli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello guys, i've already asked something similar in the forum but this is a > simpler.. > > I read about the retrofit of the mazak that some of the guys made, and i'm > making tests with an AC motor with

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-20 Thread Jon Elson
Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > So i was wondering if i can make the spindle turn and stop in a given angle? > > > It would be could if i can make the spindle turn degree by degree, but i > don't see a gcode to do that. > Some machines need to orient the spindle so that a tool changer can correctly

[Emc-users] Spindle positioning in degrees

2009-11-20 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Hello guys, i've already asked something similar in the forum but this is a simpler.. I read about the retrofit of the mazak that some of the guys made, and i'm making tests with an AC motor with a vfd and an encoder.. So i was wondering if i can make the spindle turn and stop in a given angle?