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Hello Mark,
My contention was not to w(h)ine but to point out the technical
deficiencies that needed to be addressed. Have they been addressed???
In reading the latest ad from Toyota on their 2015 FCV, the tanks will
store hydrogen at 70 mega-pascals which converts to slightly over 10,000
p
Mark,
Please stop wittering on and actually address some of the points the anti H2
FCV commentators have made here.
Principally, please explain how you believe H2 FCVs will work in terms of
efficiency Vs (real ie plug-in) EVs?
MW
On 26 Jun 2014, at 01:52, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> The
'Unplugging the other car triggered an alarm which made me jump'
http://scholarsandrogues.com/2014/06/21/two-weeks-of-owning-an-electric-car-renewable-journal-for-6212014/
Two weeks of owning an electric car - Renewable Journal for 6/21/2014
By Brian Angliss
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The purported cost of the Iraqi War so far has been $1.7 trillion (1.7 x
10^12).Whether this is war was worth it is **not** up for discussion
here. This is strictly an exercise in examining what effect those funds
would have had if applied differently. I would appreciate your vetting
the though
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Peter,
You are very generous with install cost of $5 per Watt and I think that
cost level is old. Today's solar panels are all under $1 per Watt with
few exceptions and installation typically doubles or triples that with
the man-hours and the inverter & installation material costs. What I
have hear
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Remember this solar investment is the upfront cost. From then on, it has
paid for free transportation energy for emissions free EV's forever...
Lets try this
$1.7T divided by $3.30/Watt cost of solar = 500 BWatts of capacity.
In Maryland each kW of solar capacity delivers about 1200 kWh of
> The accelerator pedal needs a shorter name for electric cars ...
Its called the GO pedal?
But, with EV's with strong regen (like the BMW i3) it’s the GO/slow pedal.
But when pronounced, no one wants to think of an EV as being driven with a
"go slow" pedal, so maybe it is a "go/stop" pedal?
this is political, Im sorry
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Folks,
EV's and Hydorgen fuel cell cars are NOT in competition. (except in
Toyota's fantasy dreams).. There is no need to get worked up.
EV's are far, far better for local travel and daily commuting (80% of our
miles). But in the long run, when all the oil is gone, we will still need
the densi
How novel, a gas station being built :) I don't think I've seen a new
gas station in years. In fact a number of them have disappeared over
the last 10. Some of that is due to consolidation but demand is going
down!
Peri
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> The AC and the DC losses can be equal in the best case
> but if the AC is degraded then the DC will have less losses than AC.
> I lectured on AC/DC basics... and worked with it for about 50 years...
We may be comparing apples and oranges. Everyone since Tesla and Edison
knows that AC wins over
> On Jun 26, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
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> Folks,
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> EV's and Hydorgen fuel cell cars are NOT in competition. (except in
> Toyota's fantasy dreams).. There is no need to get worked up.
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> EV's are far, far better for local travel and daily commuting ...
Except for the
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Here's a parallel way to look at it, except with wind generation:
According to the US DOE, in table 1:
http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/capitalcost/pdf/updated_capcost.pdf
the cost to build a wind farm is $2213/kW to build + $40/kW-yr to
operate. Add to that pumped storage of the same capacity: $5
> Are you saying that the main problem with battery electrics
> is also that most of the power it uses is not renewable?
Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have SOLAR
or sign up for 100% solar/wind from their utilities. It is -not- a
coincidence that those who want to
On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>> Are you saying that the main problem with battery electrics
>> is also that most of the power it uses is not renewable?
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> Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have SOLAR
> or sign up for 100% solar/wind fro
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>> Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have
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> Very interesting and promising statistic.
> Do you have a cite?
Yes. Thanks for making me look it up. Its actually 60% in this study if
you include those that wo
I see my meds are working over time.
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> My name is Monica. I am the owner of a
> 2000 Hyndai Accent Hatchback GS. It has served me for 14 years and more
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BEVs will run on electricity you can make on your rooftop or back yard. Try
that with an ICEV or FCV. It can be done (veggie van anyone?), but the cost
and complexity can be daunting and it's not for the average guy.
The big energy companies like the idea of FCVs because it preserves their
ef
"An average EV drives say 10k mi/yr at 3kwh per mile or
30,000 kWh per car"
misplaced a decimal point Bob.
appx 3,000kWh/yr, not 30,000 for 10,000 miles
On Thu, 6/26/14, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
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[corrected! And results are 10 times better!]
Remember this solar investment is the upfront cost. From then on, it has
paid for free transportation energy for emissions free EV's forever...
Lets try this
$1.7T divided by $3.30/Watt cost of solar = 500 BWatts of capacity.
In Maryland e
On 06/26/2014 02:02 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
$1.7T divided by $3.30/Watt cost of solar = 500 BWatts of capacity.
Around here, we are getting roof top turn key installations of around
5kw for about $2.25/watt before the income tax credit and without any
local incentives. I've hear
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We will take LOTS of pictures, and Post a LINK to the photo album early
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Big mistake! (I knew something was wrong).
US peak in 2012 was 1,000,000MW (not 1000MW). So, total build-out cost
would be $7.5T. Ok, that exceeds the challenge.
How about just looking at coal?
US peak in 2012 (same table) was about 300,000MW. The build-out to
replace coal would be:
Thanks.
ITS does lots of interesting stuff.
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On Jun 26, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>>> Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have
>>> SOLAR or sign up for 100% solar/wind from their utilities.
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>> Very interesting and promisin
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>> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:21 PM
>> To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts
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>>
>>
>> Old news.
> http://www.arb.ca.gov/planning/vision/docs/vision_for_clean_air_public_r
>>
> On Jun 26, 2014, at 11:37 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
> wrote:
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> BEVs will run on electricity you can make on your rooftop or back yard. Try
> that with an ICEV or FCV. It can be done (veggie van anyone?), but the cost
> and complexity can be daunting and it's not for the average guy.
On 26 Jun 2014 at 13:00, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> Your premise is wrong. The big energy companies do *not* like FCVs.
I suspect that they'd much prefer them to BEVs.
> > Remember, hydrogen is not really a fuel. You can't pump it out of the
> > ground. You have to make it from some oth
> On Jun 26, 2014, at 4:04 PM, "EVDL Administrator" wrote:
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>> On 26 Jun 2014 at 13:00, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>>
>> Your premise is wrong. The big energy companies do *not* like FCVs.
>
> I suspect that they'd much prefer them to BEVs.
>
>>> Remember, hydrogen is not really a fuel.
> Yes, an energy carrier. I won't argue efficiency with you.
But that is the biggest problem of Hydrogen and the reason
that everyone who understands Physics draws the conclusion
that there is no future in Hydrogen as fuel because it is
worse than just using the source energy (that what is used
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Mark Abramowitz,
I finally did what I should have done when I heard you avoid
the real topics about Hydrogen: I looked up your profile, because
somehow your name sounded familiar from earlier discussions about
this topic.
You are board member of SCAQMD
(Board Consultant to Governor's Appointee, D
On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
>> Yes, an energy carrier. I won't argue efficiency with you.
>
> But that is the biggest problem of Hydrogen and the reason
> that everyone who understands Physics draws the conclusion
> that there is no future in Hydrogen as fuel beca
Mark Abramowitz wrote:
> If you are saying that using natural gas directly in an ICE as
> opposed to converting it to Hydrogen is a more efficient use,
> I would tell you that you are missing my point.
That is exactly what I am saying and I love to hear your point.
In contrast to you, I love disc
ue nature and exposed him to us all. We
Thank You for the Enlightenment !
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On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:20 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
>> Yes, an energy carrier. I won't argue efficiency with you.
>
> But that is the biggest problem of Hydrogen and the reason
> that everyone who understands Physics draws the conclusion
Ah, that clarifies a lot.
So, you are saying that the laws that you are helping to craft
will mandate zero tail pipe emissions, even if the consequence is
that the total energy consumption increases due to the inefficiency
of the conversion to Hydrogen?
But simply the fact that natural gas combust
BTW,
I *did* read that "old news" that you posted some time back.
That vision paper for California clearly states that all types
of low and zero emissions solutions are needed.
So, the only reason that you are focusing and pushing the
ZEV mandate can mean that you do not care about the best
soluti
On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
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> Mark Abramowitz,
> I finally did what I should have done when I heard you avoid
> the real topics about Hydrogen: I looked up your profile, because
> somehow your name sounded familiar from earlier discussions about
> this topic.
>
population, to further their "Secret Agenda." You
> "Tenaciously, Ferreted Out," his true nature and exposed him to us all. We
> Thank You for the Enlightenment !
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