On 08 Nov 2013, at 19:44, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/8/2013 12:10 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Ending the era of Prohibition will not mean kids will start smoking
pot…. Hint they already are, and have been for a long time. Ending
this dark era of Prohibition will mean that the greatest illicit
On 08 Nov 2013, at 20:10, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The 10^120 bits for the holographic visible universe is based on the
Planck Scale
and is the number of Planck Areas on its surface.
Penrose estimates that it will maximize
at 10^122 in the future.
Yes, but with comp, the visible universe is
On 08 Nov 2013, at 22:16, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 07 Nov 2013, at 00:51, LizR wrote:
I was thinking specifically of Max Tegmark's MUH. He considers
minds to be subsystems of the maths - he doesn't say anything
On 09 Nov 2013, at 00:22, Jason Resch wrote:
Liz,
That is very interesting. Do you remember anything about this
interview (where it was, who was interviewing him, etc.)?
One answer is in this very list. I think that it was in an early
(interesting) thread Amoeba Croaks. I don't know
Hi Anna
Of course.
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
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Anyone that still is clung to the idea that existence and matter are the
same by the sanctification of physical sciences either is not familiarized
with the physics of the last 50 years or it is too afraid to leave his
comfortable position
2013/11/9 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
Hi Anna
Mathematical proof is all that is lacking.
That is that particles like electrons and quarks are strings.
That electrons and quarks have mass is established experimentally
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Anna
Of course.
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST
On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:25, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/6/2013 12:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
There is nothing wrong being rich, unless the money is stolen money, and
that's the case today.
There's nothing morally wrong with being rich, but it creates an ethical
problem. Being much wealthier than
One more remark:
the H O N E S T heirs? super-rich they may be? Do you find an honestly
accumulated heirloom to inherit? Did they work productively/honestly to be
'rich'?
JM
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:25, meekerdb wrote:
On
Look, we all have our opinions, but none of us are being scientific about all
this. Just for the sake of giggles and laughs, let us set up an imaginary town,
where the government is minimal. Call it Chaosville, or Telmoland, or
Brentburg. Let the law stand aside as the passage of drugs through
Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to force the idealists to
produce. My idea was to force the idealist back to painful reality and hard
choices, rather then mentally living in La La land. Saying Oh they're working
on solar and soon.. Unacceptable. Tomorrowland existed no
Chris, I just read a study by the U of Colorado, published in the Journal,
Bioscience, claiming that up to 1 million bats have been killed by green energy
wind turbines. The arrival of solar power, its decline in price, and thus it
will power all human civilization never arrives. Its what the
On 09 Nov 2013, at 17:50, John Mikes wrote:
On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:25, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/6/2013 12:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
There is nothing wrong being rich, unless the money is stolen
money, and that's the case today.
There's nothing morally wrong with being rich, but it
I am emphasizing having governments print out (Keynes style) absolutely,
colossal, amounts of cash, as a reward for coming up with excellent disease
treatments and cures, human solar system tours, and clean energy solution,
environmental remediation. If the banks won't fund researchers, then
On 09 Nov 2013, at 17:56, John Mikes wrote:
One more remark:
the H O N E S T heirs? super-rich they may be? Do you find an
honestly accumulated heirloom to inherit? Did they work productively/
honestly to be 'rich'?
That's an interesting question. It is a particular case of can we
On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not he might
degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no sense to me. It is annoying, but we can
degrade a lot, yet we can't die (with just comp, or, ITSM, with just the quantum
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 12:50 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Chris, I just read a study by the U of Colorado, published in the Journal,
Bioscience, claiming that up to 1 million bats have been killed by green
energy wind turbines. The arrival of solar power, its decline in price, and
thus it
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Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to
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Chris, I just read a study by the U of Colorado, published
On 11/9/2013 4:29 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 3:55 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/8/2013 5:48 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
If you hold the Rational Optimist view aka Matt Ridley, people will act
altruistic much more, if they get a reward, then in they get
On 11/9/2013 8:50 AM, John Mikes wrote:
I don't see a 'productive' way how 'the rich' get more wealth and power by using their
wealth and power.
If they risk their money on some development or invention that is successful that's
productive and there must be some potential profit in it,
On 11/9/2013 9:37 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to force the idealists to produce.
My idea was to force the idealist back to painful reality and hard choices, rather then
mentally living in La La land. Saying Oh they're working on solar and
On 11/9/2013 9:50 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Chris, I just read a study by the U of Colorado, published in the Journal, Bioscience,
claiming that up to 1 million bats have been killed by green energy wind turbines.
?? And that is significant compared to what? Nine million birds killed each
Yes, Jesse, I do buy into that arguement. If you permit me, I will
exclude DailyKos Kos Kids from your evidence, as the are far from a
disinterested party in this matter. Whatever the politics, whatever the
polemics, a technology has to do this, be successful. If solar is
always just a
OK, a polemicist. Now tell me what city on Earth, say with a population
of 1 million or more is powered, 24 hours per day, all year round,
homes hospitals, factories, by your precious 40 gigawatts? This is
versus bad electricity sources like coal, hydroelectric, uranium or
natural gas.
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/9/2013 9:37 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to force the idealists
to produce. My idea was to force the idealist back to painful reality and
hard choices, rather then
On 11/9/2013 2:49 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Yes, Jesse, I do buy into that arguement. If you permit me, I will exclude DailyKos Kos
Kids from your evidence, as the are far from a disinterested party in this matter.
Whatever the politics, whatever the polemics, a technology has to do this,
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OK, a polemicist. Now tell me what
On 11/9/2013 3:09 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/9/2013 9:37 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Brent, my analogy, however badly its thought-up, is to force the idealists
to produce. My idea was to force the idealist back to
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:49 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Yes, Jesse, I do buy into that arguement.
Which one? The idea that declining prices of solar panels are bad news for
solar energy? Or the one that says Solyndra is representative of what
happens when the government invests in solar and
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On 11/9/2013 3:09 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On
Your basically saying I am wrong for no contestable reason, you have no city in
the world to cite to me that is powered by solar power or wind, for that
matter, you are against subsidies for fossil fuels (I am good on that) and that
somehow solar power will prevail, which reminds me of the
Brent, let us look at human nature as it exists and not posit perfection to
scientists and bureaucrats. Climate scientist who peddle AGW have skin in the
game. What's their reward? They get guaranteed jobs and do the planning and
make policies if true, thus, their careers are set Bureaucrat's
Good point. But it wasn't entirely a command economy that achieved these
technical wins. In other words you can say Sputnik in 57, but everything you
listed appears to have had a capitalist basis. NASA could not have gotten off
the ground withoutr Grumann, for example. GE, the boiling water
Large cities do get a majority of electricity from a few sources. The cleanest
in large scale hydroelectric, the dirtiest may be coal. If solar and wind
contribute a minuscule supplemental amount of juice to the transformers, that's
nice. I can guarantee that sun and wind do not provide much
Don't you suppose that all those costs passed on to the poor public would have
an X crosses Y moment, but now? Wouldn't Joe Sixpack be raging about the
Goddamn Costs of electricity if this was so? Do you feel that all the people
all over the world are susceptible to bribed, corrupt, rulers?
Let me ask you Jesse do you suggest any substitute that we can turn to for
transforming world civilization to clean power? The only significant thing I
can think of, would be hiring Craig Venter to produce some methane or hydrogen
maker, that can, if necessary convert sea water to fuel. This
On 10 November 2013 12:34, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you just assuming the future will be like the past, or do you have any
other basis for predicting solar will always be just a fraction of world
energy?
Jesse
There is no rational basis for this belief because solar
Dear Dr. Hameroff,
I mean no disrespect, and with my only credential being that of common sense,
I would like to suggest that you consider abandoning materialist solutions to
the
problem of consciousness in your series of seminars on the science of
consciousness,
for these can never work.
The rich get richer via the stock exchange and similar financial
institutions. This is done with software nowadays - a thousandth of a
second delay in investing can mean the difference between accumulating and
losing. This doesn't actually produce improvements in anything (except
financial
On 11/9/2013 4:53 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Your basically saying I am wrong for no contestable reason, you have no city in the
world to cite to me that is powered by solar power or wind, for that matter,
And there are none powered exclusively by hydroelectric power either. It's a
On 11/9/2013 5:12 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Brent, let us look at human nature as it exists and not posit perfection to scientists
and bureaucrats. Climate scientist who peddle AGW have skin in the game. What's their
reward? They get guaranteed jobs and do the planning and make policies if
On 11/9/2013 5:27 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Good point. But it wasn't entirely a command economy that achieved these technical wins.
In other words you can say Sputnik in 57, but everything you listed appears to have had
a capitalist basis. NASA could not have gotten off the ground withoutr
On 11/9/2013 6:13 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Let me ask you Jesse do you suggest any substitute that we can turn to for transforming
world civilization to clean power? The only significant thing I can think of, would be
hiring Craig Venter to produce some methane or hydrogen maker, that can,
On 11/9/2013 8:17 PM, LizR wrote:
The rich get richer via the stock exchange and similar financial institutions. This is
done with software nowadays - a thousandth of a second delay in investing can mean the
difference between accumulating and losing. This doesn't actually produce improvements
On 10 November 2013 04:11, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Mathematical proof is all that is lacking.
That is that particles like electrons and quarks are strings.
That electrons and quarks have mass is established experimentally
Well, they appear to, in the sense that they interact
On 10 November 2013 08:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/9/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Tegmark thinks he will survive, if the gun works sufficiently well. if not
he might degrade and eventually ... die. This makes no sense to me. It is
annoying, but we can degrade a lot,
On 10 November 2013 18:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/9/2013 6:13 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Let me ask you Jesse do you suggest any substitute that we can turn to for
transforming world civilization to clean power? The only significant thing
I can think of, would be
On 10 November 2013 14:12, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Brent, let us look at human nature as it exists and not posit perfection
to scientists and bureaucrats. Climate scientist who peddle AGW have skin
in the game. What's their reward? They get guaranteed jobs and do the
planning and make
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