Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, 11:36 AM PGC wrote: > > > On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 5:42:23 AM UTC+2 Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, 9:54 PM PGC wrote: > > > > On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 3:51:27 AM UTC+2 John Clark wrote: > > Yes it's poss

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-13 Thread Jason Resch
physical system's can be simulated to any desired degree of accuracy, and moreover all known laws of physics are computable. Which parts of physics do you refer to when you say there are parts that aren't Turing emulable? Jason We can implement Turing Machines with matter, and even with const

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-13 Thread Jason Resch
fixed program. Then the Turing machine acts like some particular machine. And if you want it to act differently, you need to provide a different program. Jason > > The number of n-state 2-symbol Turing Machines that exist is (4(n+1))^(2n), > This is because there are n-1 non-halting st

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-13 Thread Jason Resch
e test by text (rather than in person with an android body) was to prevent external clues from spoiling the result. To be completely fair, perhaps the test needs to be amended to judge between an AI and an uploaded human brain. Jason > And I don't see how a question like that could help you fig

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-12 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 7:02 AM John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 7:01 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> Who judges if the "phenomenal judgments" of the machine are correct or >>> incorrect? Even humans can't agree among themselves about most >>> p

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-12 Thread Jason Resch
hine is Turing Complete. > Perhaps you mean the brain is "Turing emulable" i.e. computable here, rather than "Turing complete" (which is having the capacity emulate any other Turing machine). Jason > John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis > <http

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-11 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 6:00 PM John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 5:33 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> Consider a deterministic intelligent machine having no innate >> philosophical knowledge or philosophical discussions while learning. Also, >> the machine does n

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-11 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 5:28 PM John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 5:01 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> *> There are easier and harder tests than the Turing test. I don't know >> why you say it's the only test we have. Also: would passing the Argonov >>

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-11 Thread Jason Resch
est. I don't know why you say it's the only test we have. Also: would passing the Argonov test (which I described in my document on whether zombies are possible) not be a sufficient proof of consciousness? Note that the Argonov test is much harder to pass than the Turing test. Jason > See w

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-11 Thread Jason Resch
onsciousness. The human brain (given it's limited and faulty memory) wouldn't even meet the definition of being Turing complete. Jason > Brent > > On 7/10/2024 7:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > There was a study done in the 1950s on probabilistic Turing machines ( > https://

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 7:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/8/2024 1:20 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:01 PM John Clark wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:23 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >> *> If you believe mental s

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:59 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/8/2024 11:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 10:29 AM John Clark wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:28 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >> *>I tho

Re: AI hype

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 11:50 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > @Jason. Recursion is not self-reference. If you would have read my paper > you would have seen that. > You alluded to a familiarity with computer programming. Have you s

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 10:50 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 8:31 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> My dictionary says the definition of "*prerequisite*" is "*a thing >>> that is required as a prior condition for something else to happen or >

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 11:18 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > Stathis Papaioannou > > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 at 00:34, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 10:16 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> &

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 10:16 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > Stathis Papaioannou > > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 22:15, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 4:33 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 8:17 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 7:03 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Physical doesn't exist. "Physical" is just an idea in consciousness. >> > &g

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 8:18 AM John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 7:54 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > >>Consciousness is the inevitable product of intelligence, it is not the >>> cause of intelligence. >>> >> >> >> *> **I didn't s

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
rt of a vast (apparent) reality we are each trying to navigate? What's wrong with calling this reality we are each trying to navigate (where this email exists) physical? Do you see this reality as in any way shared? Jason > On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 11:33:33 UTC+3 Stathis Papaioannou wrote

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 4:33 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 04:23, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:14 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 1:58 PM Jason Resch wrote: >>> >&

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 7:48 AM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 4:20 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> If consciousness is necessary for intelligence* [...] >> > > Consciousness is the inevitable product of intelligence, it is not the > cause of int

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
himneys to self-assemble presents from ambient matter, after they scan the brain's of sleeping children to see if they are naughty or nice and what present they hoped for. Jason > On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 07:31:46 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024

Re: AI hype

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
ical entities > where fairies live and they sprout rainbows ? > The Turing machine and (computability generally) is built on the notion of recursion. I.e. self-reference. If we are conscious due to self-reference, then why shouldn't recursive computer programs be conscious too? Jason > On

Re: AI hype

2024-07-09 Thread Jason Resch
your own views, all of reality is based (and therefore all of reality follows)? Jason > On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 11:24:45 UTC+3 Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 18:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-08 Thread Jason Resch
it is called the "everything list") Jason > On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 00:47:28 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 5:17 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> Brain do

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-08 Thread Jason Resch
me not having read your paper. Have you seen my paper on how computational observers build the world? It reaches a similar conclusion to yours: https://philpeople.org/profiles/jason-k-resch Jason > On Monday 8 July 2024 at 23:35:12 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On M

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-08 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:04 PM John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:12 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *>Consciousness is a prerequisite of intelligence.* >> > > I think you've got that backwards, intelligence is a prerequisite of > consciousness. And the poss

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-08 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:01 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:23 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> If you believe mental states do not cause anything, then you believe >> philosophical zombies are logically possible (since we could remove >> consciousness w

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-08 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:14 PM John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 1:58 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *>>> ** I think such foresight is a necessary component of intelligence, >>>> not a "byproduct".* >>> >>> >>> >

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-08 Thread Jason Resch
ns (of the environment, or the current situation) in order to act intelligently. It is in having perceptions that consciousness appears. So consciousness is not a byproduct of, but an integral and necessary requirement for intelligent action. Jason > > >> *> in which yo

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-07 Thread Jason Resch
consciousness does have effects. As you said previously, if consciousness had no effects, there would be no reason for it to evolve in the first place. Why? It must be because consciousness is the byproduct of something else > that is not useless, there are no other possibilities. > There

Re: Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-06 Thread Jason Resch
experience has no noxiousness. I don't think such denies of pain would constitute evidence of having pain, in the same way denying that one is conscious could be taken as evidence of being conscious (as you have to have some self-awareness to be in a position to deny what aspects of yourself

Are Philosophical Zombies possible?

2024-07-05 Thread Jason Resch
, in any system having the right configuration. (Whether that configuration is functional/organizational/causal/or physical is a separate question). Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this grou

Re: Claude 3.5 sonnet

2024-07-03 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 6:20 PM PGC wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 6:52:28 PM UTC+2 Jason Resch wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 11:57 AM PGC wrote: > > > I'm not trying to play jargon police or anything—everyone has a right to > take part in the intelligenc

Re: Claude 3.5 sonnet

2024-07-02 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 4:00 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:52 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> I also see it as surprising that through hardware improvements alone, >> and without specific breakthroughs in algorithms, we should see such great >>

Re: Claude 3.5 sonnet

2024-07-02 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 11:57 AM PGC wrote: > Jason, > > There's no universal consensus on intelligence beyond the broad outlines > of the narrow vs general distinction. This is reflected in our informal > discussion: some emphasize that effective action should be the result and

Re: Claude 3.5 sonnet

2024-06-26 Thread Jason Resch
as generally intelligent? And if not, what else would need to be done? Jason > On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 11:02:05 PM UTC+2 John Clark wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 10:00 AM PGC wrote: >> >> >>> *> And for everybody here assuming the Mechanist ontolog

Re: How Self-Reference Builds the World - my paper

2024-06-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 2:01 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > @Jason. You say: > > ""Every rule has an exception" > This is a self referential sentence" > > But from my paper: > > "In “This

Re: How Self-Reference Builds the World - my paper

2024-06-25 Thread Jason Resch
erences helpful. Jason > > On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 19:18:25 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 9:09 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> I invite you to discover m

Re: How Self-Reference Builds the World - my paper

2024-06-25 Thread Jason Resch
rs is their location within an information space.” -- David Chalmers in "The Conscious Mind" (1996) "A cat. A cat is seen. Something seen, must be a seer. I see a cat. I exist. What is I?" -- Jason "Perhaps consciousness arises when the brain’s simulation of the

Re: Situational Awareness

2024-06-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jun 21, 2024, 8:48 AM PGC wrote: > > > On Thursday, June 20, 2024 at 4:13:25 AM UTC+2 Jason Resch wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 6:05 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > You can always add some randomness to a computer program. LLM's aren't > deterministic now. Hum

Re: Situational Awareness

2024-06-19 Thread Jason Resch
FyLcIWJ1C0Z3hTAX=2 There is no intelligence imparted to the design of the bots. They evolve purely based on random variation of traits of the top performers (as evaluated based on how much they ate during their life). Jason > > > On 6/19/2024 5:55 AM, PGC wrote: > > I'm hypothesizing here, a

Re: Situational Awareness

2024-06-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 12:48 PM John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:33 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> **Just the other day (on another list), I proposed that the problem >> "hallucination" is not really a bug, but rather, it is what we have >> des

Re: Situational Awareness

2024-06-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 10:59 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 3:24 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 10:26 PM PGC wrote: >> >>> A lot of the excitement around LLMs is due to confusing skill/competence

Re: Situational Awareness

2024-06-19 Thread Jason Resch
a finite and fixed depth. This means they are only capable of computing functions they can complete within that fixed time (unless you argument them with a loop and memory). This is like considering the limits of a human brain that was.onky given, say, 10 seconds to solve any problem. This is

Re: Situational Awareness

2024-06-18 Thread Jason Resch
xist in the training corpus, language models can come to learn, recognize, and extrapolate all of those thousands or millions of patterns. This is what we think of as generality (a sufficiently large repertoire of pattern recognition that it appears general). Jason > John, as you enjoyed th

Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?

2024-05-06 Thread Jason Resch
to store all intercepted encrypted communications long-term. Then once a quantum computer of sufficient power is created, they can go back and decrypt this archive of intercepted encrypted communications. Jason > > > > On 5/6/2024 6:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > While adopting new

Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?

2024-05-06 Thread Jason Resch
such a computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected with current algorithms). Jason On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do > they'll be able to read all our messages. But us getti

Re: Coming Singularity

2024-04-03 Thread Jason Resch
you're not careful, you could create 2^N minds. Where N is the number of qubits. Jason > On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 08:31:25 AM EDT, John Clark < > johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:28 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > > > * >

Re: Coming Singularity

2024-03-29 Thread Jason Resch
w it off, would anyone at the time say it is not AGI? I think we are only blinded to the significance of what has happened because we are living through history now and the history books have not yet covered this time. Jason > We may find out that the singularity is a lot further away than i

Re: The physical limits of computation

2024-01-21 Thread Jason Resch
erence, I appreciate them! I especially like: "the laws of physics, will be reinterpreted as statements about information and its transformations." I think I will include that in my write up. :-) Jason > > > Il 20/01/2024 01:10 +01 Jason Resch ha scritto: > > > I put

The physical limits of computation

2024-01-19 Thread Jason Resch
who often debate whether our reality is fundamentally computational/informational. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to every

Re: Watch "Can Many Worlds Solve The Measurement Problem?" on YouTube

2023-12-06 Thread Jason Resch
ite universe. But we only have access to a finite portion of the universe, so perhaps it is fine to ignore the rest of it (infinite space and universes) at least as it may relate to the measure problem. Jason > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:52:31 PM UTC+1 Jason Resch wrote: > >> &

Re: Watch "Can Many Worlds Solve The Measurement Problem?" on YouTube

2023-12-06 Thread Jason Resch
nd so we can arrive at different probabilities than those > given by the Born rule. They call it the "measure problem" (not measurement > problem). > Here, at about 6 minutes and 30 seconds in, Deutsch is asked how many universes are there. He gives a finite number: http

Watch "Can Many Worlds Solve The Measurement Problem?" on YouTube

2023-12-05 Thread Jason Resch
https://youtu.be/BU8Lg_R2DL0 This is timely. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.co

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-12-03 Thread Jason Resch
count for the effectiveness of quantum computers (unless one believes that non-real things can have real, detectable effects (like producing the solution to factoring a large semiprime)). But if you are realist about the wave function, then you are dealing with MW, not QBism. Jason > Brent &

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-30 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 4:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/29/2023 11:23 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 12:19 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/29/2023 8:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On We

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-30 Thread Jason Resch
you believe the moon doesn't exist when you're not looking > at it?*". Apparently Bohr's response has been lost to history. > I believe it was Pais that he asked this question to, but he was in the same camp of the non-realists like Bohr. Jason -- You received this message because you

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 12:19 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/29/2023 8:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed,

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 10:45 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:59 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> >>&

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>&g

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-29 Thread Jason Resch
w is this different than throwing a die and seeing it came up 6. Is > that incompatible with that result having probability 1/6? Why don't we > have a multiple-worlds theory of classical probabilities? > It's interesting, Feynman and others had this exact debate in that reference scerir pro

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-29 Thread Jason Resch
all times are equally really). Yet you are only ever aware of being in one time and in one place. I think this tells us more about the limitations of our neurology than it reveals about the extent or nature of reality. If a copy of me is created on Mars, the me know Earth doesn't magically become a

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-29 Thread Jason Resch
branches. The example is chosen to neatly produce all branches of > amplitude 1, but that cannot be significant since eqn(35) is not > normalized. So the number of branches is not actually determined and could > be anything. > I found this interesting, on comparing whether all

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:12 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/28/2023 1:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/28/2023 1:33 PM, John Clark wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-28 Thread Jason Resch
needed if you're curious and want to look > under the hood to figure out what could possibly make the quantum realm > behave so weirdly. > > > Except that in spite of many attempts the application of the Born rule > isn't found under the hood. > Is it found in Copenhagen? Jason

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-26 Thread Jason Resch
. > The time the decay occurs is roughly continuous over the hour of the experiment. Thus the dead cat will have been dead for a random period between 0 and 1 hours from the time it entered the box. You will find the observed temperature of the cat will be a continuous variable correlat

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-22 Thread Jason Resch
Very well said! On Wed, Nov 22, 2023, 7:23 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:45 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > >> There is plenty of direct evidence that quantum weirdness exists, even >>> the father of the Copenhagen Interpretation Niels Bohr admitted that >>> "*Anyone >>> who

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-21 Thread Jason Resch
t, but he didn't publish it. He mentioned it in a lecture in Dublin, in which he predicted that the audience would think he was crazy. Isn't that a strange assertion coming from a Nobel Prize winner—that he feared being considered crazy for claiming that his equation, the one that he won the Nobel Prize for,

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-21 Thread Jason Resch
changed things and made states disappear and do so faster than light which EPR authors couldn't swallow. Their intuition proved correct, there are no FTL influences. Jason > John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

2023-11-18 Thread Jason Resch
That's kind of him to reply. Aren't functional quantum computers proof that atoms can be in two places at once? Jat On Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 6:58 AM John Clark wrote: > *I read an article called The multiverse is unscientific nonsense >

Re: Cryptography could help us figure out if a photograph is real or an AI fake

2023-11-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, 3:04 PM John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 1:59 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > > *> How does Apple (or whoever is signing the image and its metadata) know >> it was taken by an iphone at a particular location?* >> > > Rega

Re: Cryptography could help us figure out if a photograph is real or an AI fake

2023-11-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, 1:28 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 1:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> I don't care if Joe Blow signs it or not with his private key that's >>> on his iPhone because I have no reason to trust Mr. Blow. I want the Apple >>> C

Re: Cryptography could help us figure out if a photograph is real or an AI fake

2023-11-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, 12:31 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 11:54 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> I agree, but I think most people, myself included, would trust that >>> the entire GPS satellite system is unlikely to be part of some grand >>> conspira

Re: Cryptography could help us figure out if a photograph is real or an AI fake

2023-11-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 10:44 AM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 11:11 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> I think such protocols are only useful for verifying whether the image >> came from an already known and trusted source. I don't see that it could >> ver

Re: Cryptography could help us figure out if a photograph is real or an AI fake

2023-11-07 Thread Jason Resch
not provide you with false content). Jason On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 8:14 AM John Clark wrote: > Now that AI art is so good it's becoming impossible to determine if a > photograph is real or fake, but a new open-source internet protocol > called "C2PA" may offer a solution. If camera an

Re: Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?

2023-09-29 Thread Jason Resch
that the people in these "not-really-real" branches still behave like the conscious people in the real branch; they have full lives, they talk to one another, they write books about consciousness, they develop a pilot-wave theory that people in other branches are zombies, etc.) Jason --

Re: Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience"

2023-09-21 Thread Jason Resch
f a system, but at the last moment, it insists that a computer implementing that same causal organization would not be conscious. Jason On Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 2:08 PM John Clark wrote: > Consciousness theory slammed as "pseudoscience" > <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-

Re: The human race almost didn't happen

2023-09-14 Thread Jason Resch
igh intelligence), seems to have been relatively short. We also note it occurs in many separate evolutionary lines (cephalopods, cetaceans, corvids, primates). It's true that if multicellular life is hard that intelligence is hard, but it seems once there's multicellular life, intelligence is easy.

Re: Is Many Worlds Falsifiable?

2023-09-04 Thread Jason Resch
As Rob Garrett shows here, there's really nothing mysterious about entanglement. Entanglement is merely measurement. The mystery, if there is one, is why are measurements consistent across time: https://youtu.be/dEaecUuEqfc?si=psmNck41LbAW4SjV Jason On Mon, Sep 4, 2023, 7:48 AM 'scerir' via

Re: Is Many Worlds Falsifiable?

2023-09-01 Thread Jason Resch
do, but superdeterminism is basically saying that's just how it is the universe has preordained that humans flip coins such that they come up head's 66% of the time. Jason Jason On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 2:47 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 at 04:20, John Cla

Re: Is Many Worlds Falsifiable?

2023-09-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:52 AM John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > > >> >> 128 bits would probably be enough information to program a Turing >>> Machine to calculate the infinite series 4(1-1/3 +1/5 -1/7 +...)

Re: Is Many Worlds Falsifiable?

2023-09-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 9:16 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:41 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> I think it may be possible actually, to use a mathematical argument to >> disprove superdeterminism* >> > > I'm not sure a mathematical proof that superdet

Re: Is Many Worlds Falsifiable?

2023-09-01 Thread Jason Resch
information and variation to also determine and the subsequent 2^128 outcomes. The 2^128 outcomes are mathematically underdetermined by 128 prior measurements, and so the system cannot be deterministic in the way superdeterminism proposes. Jason On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 7:26 AM John Clark wrote

Re: A new theory of consciousness: conditionalism

2023-08-26 Thread Jason Resch
Thank you John for your thoughts. I few notes below: On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 7:17 AM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 1:47 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> At a high level, states of consciousness are states of knowledge,* >> > > That is certainly true, but what

A new theory of consciousness: conditionalism

2023-08-25 Thread Jason Resch
tes of knowledge) would be strictly necessary for intelligence to evolve. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsu

Re: Worms that have been dead for over 45,000 years have been brought back to life

2023-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
, they heat from the outside in. Jason On Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 7:30 AM John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:15 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List > wrote: > > *> means of survival, so this looks like evidence to me that you may be >> correct? * >>

Re: The expansion of the universe could be a mirage, new theoretical study suggests

2023-07-07 Thread Jason Resch
f he means all particles get lighter, by what mechanism? How have stars and chemistry remained stable over time if particles get lighter? That means chemical bonds lose energy, and atoms get bigger, but we've had DNA based life for billions of years, the chemistry must have been stable over th

Re: AI and Interest rates

2023-06-03 Thread Jason Resch
constraints money, borrowing, or interest rates. Jason On Sat, Jun 3, 2023, 6:53 PM John Clark wrote: > I have a theory about interest rates and I'd like to know what those who > know more about economics than I do think about it. > > When it comes to economic forecasting the genera

Re: AI and Interest rates

2023-06-03 Thread Jason Resch
on of the necessity of food for robotic or virtual bodies which may replace our existing ones. - The replacement of solar energy as a significant or the cheapest source of energy as new reactor designs are created. Jason > > On 6/3/2023 8:52 AM, John Clark wrote: > > I have a theory ab

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:16 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 6:00 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 4:14 PM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Ja

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:05 AM Terren Suydam wrote: > > > On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 5:47 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 3:50 PM Terren Suydam >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jas

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, May 25, 2023, 9:43 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 21:28, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, May 25, 2023, 12:30 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, May 25, 2023, 12:30 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 13:59, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:56 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 11:48, Jason Resch wrote: > > >An RNG would be a bad design choice because it would be extremely >> unreliable. However, as a thought experiment, it could work. If the visua

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, May 24, 2023, 9:32 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 06:46, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:20 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:20 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 21:56, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, May 24, 2023, 3:20 AM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 11:12 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 5/23/2023 10:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 24, 2023, 1:15 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 04:03, Jason Resch wrote: >&g

Re: what chatGPT is and is not

2023-05-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, May 24, 2023, 5:35 AM John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 1:37 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> By substituting a recording of a computation for a computation, you >> replace a conscious mind with a tape recording of the prior behavior of a >> consci

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