Re: Re: cognitive therapy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Burns' therapy is called "cognitive therapy". I use it all of the time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From:

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King You can either be untroubled by the fact that innocent people die or suffer, or you can try to find meaning for why this can be so. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Rec

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I agree with meeker on the nonduplicates of soul, which are as individual as DNA or fingerprints. And the identity of indescernibles. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Rec

Re: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy A more powwerful way to steal from the future is to continue govt spending as it is. But to get back to the issue, I'll let the market decide. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end."

Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Why not ? There are gravitational waves. But earthquakes usually initiate waves by the sudden release of potential energy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the

Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances ?

2013-01-14 Thread Roger Clough
matter numbers always 2. mental matter. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 11:

A Safely Underground Nuclear Reactor that runs on Nuclear waste

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
Not to worry about running out of fuelat least for a few centureis.. Bill Gates explains Terrapower And The Traveling Wave Reactor A Safely Underground Nuclear Reactor that runs on Nuclear waste https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwRYtiSbbVg [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
Sheldrake, and he speaks of morphic resonances. 5. Is the principle of sufficent reason. 6. Can't give a basis for this. 7. same as 4. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the fo

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
must travel at the speed of light. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 10:33:11 Subject: Re:

Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
become saints anyway. Romans 3:10 "As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one." And I am a prime example of that. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving

It may quack like a duck, but it's only a duck when it hits the plate

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
al part of the experiment is at the end when the wave hits the photographic plate. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: ev

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy I always let the market decide. You can't go wrong that way. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Co

A brief synopsis of morphic resonance and the presence of the past according to the monadology.

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
, the monad would inform the homunculus to repeat the past. Here's your habits. In all the universe of monads acts like a computer program with the Supreme Monad as its central processing unit. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time,

Re: Re: WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves." [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a l

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

2013-01-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona According to Kant, space and time are intuitions, not perceptions. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/13/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona

cognitive therapy

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
erapy very helpful. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:05:18 Subject: Re: Sensing the pres

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Good. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:02:42 Subject: Re: Subjective sta

Quntum waves are probability (mathemaqtical) waves, not physical waves

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
ave a physical box. The probability waves have to conform to the dimensions of the box, but they are ghost-like waves of probability. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the fo

Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist I believe that quantum waves are nonphysical. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist OK, He would work. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 13:54:47 Subje

MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
e conditions, there is no need to create an additional physical world, since each can exist as aspects of the the same world, one moving in spactime and being physical, the other, like mind, moving simulataneously in the nonphysical world beyond spacetime. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]

WHY YOU SHOULDN'T BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb As you observe, beliefs can be slippery, because reason is the devil's whore. That's why we Lutherans rely first on faith (trust in God). Second on the Bible. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end.

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:5

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Complexity need not have anything to do with intelligence. The critical requirement is autonomy of choice. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content --

The vacuum energy: What is the aether or "nothingness" of space like?

2013-01-12 Thread Roger Clough
ions to the vacuum energy come from spontaneous symmetry breaking in quantum field theory. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - -- You received this messag

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Physicists often do experiemnts on crystals at 0 oK or near there. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist

Re: Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist The monads are not BEC's, because presumably BECs are physical. Monads aren't [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richa

Yet another interpretation of the M-M experiment.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Yet another interpretation of the M-M experiment (that light travelled at the same speed regardless of direction) is that as the Bible says, the earth is fixed, and presumably the aether with it. So no relative motion problem. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever

Is there an aether ?

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
M-M did find that the speed of light was independent of direction. If there were an aether, and light propagated through it as a wave, and since the earth would be moving through the ether, then light should travel at different speeds in different directions. But it didn't. So either there

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brainsviaacomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist For the umpteenth time, monads are not physical, they cannot be some kind of product of EM waves. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content --

the precipitation of solids from mind

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 13:47:39 Subject: Re: What is Idealism ? On 10 Jan 2013, at 14

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net I don't believe that you can explain perception without God (or something like Himn, perhaps Universal Mind) being the observer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Due to their universal perceptions, monads should be extremely complex. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal OK. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 12:04:54 Subject: Re: Sensing the p

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal A life field is similar to Sheldrake's morphisms, Leibniz's substances or L's monads or L's souls. The physical is that which is extended in space. Dreams, like mind or ideas, are not extended in space, so not physical. The rest I agree with you o

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal A life form is a soul of some type. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb a= not or anti, so atheist is not a theist or is an antitheism. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-l

What is Idealism ?

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
existentialism. The historical influence of this branch of idealism remains central even to the schools that rejected its metaphysical assumptions, such as Marxism, pragmatism, and positivism. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the

Complexity is a sign that you can't get there (necessary reason) from here (contingent reason)

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
true) Complexity arises from the impossibility of reaching necessary reason starting with contingent reason. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Ma

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Sounds a little fantastic to me, but what do I know ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Coincidence with Newton's laws proves, to me at least, that the earth orbits the sun rather than the inverse. There's too much mass on the sun to have it orbit the earth. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especial

Is there an aether ?

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
olete. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post

beauty is the discovery of unity in variety.

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Somebody once said that beauty is the discovery of unity in variety. That's also what happens in perception. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the fo

Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent.

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Atheists are those that refuse to worship the false gods they invent. They look for truth and untruth from the logic of analogies instead of seeking the Living God of the Bible, who isn't an analogy. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a

misfits of perfect prisms spilled on the floor

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
e are gaps and misfits ? In other words, from energy (Heaven) to entropy (Earth). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everyth

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Could the incompleteness theorem simply be an artifact of wrong-headedly trying to reach the necessary from the realm of contingency ? That is, trying synthesize a system, whereas it is actually already complete if deduced analytically ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net

Re: Re: Wave collapse and consciousness

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
nomena (2) : a theory that the essential nature of reality lies in consciousness or reason [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: eve

Re: Re: Where do ideas come from?

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal The how do ideas form, and what are they ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Sheldrake's morphisms might be thought of as life fields. But I don't think fields themselves are physical, rather they are monadic, descriptions of physical things. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especial

Fw: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-10 Thread Roger Clough
the aether is being replaced by new theories. - Have received the following content - Sender: makoilaci Receiver: Roger Clough Time: 2013-01-09, 12:15:42 Subject: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ? just the opposite. general relativity brought aether back, but it

Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes In the Christian tradition, Satan. In the Platonic tradition (which Bruno knows much better than I do), I think the Demiurge. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Rec

bad strangers and good friends

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
), and if family or a friend, good will more likely happen. You also can do good (make a friend) and evil to yourself (accidents). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content --

Sensing the presence of God

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense God's presence. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end."

Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Bruno, Another matter is that since the michaelson-morley experiment, space itself does not exist (is nonphysical). There is no aether. Electromagnetic waves propagate through nothing at all, suggesting to me, at least, that they, and their fields, are nonphysical. [Roger Clough], [rclo

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Am I wrong ? I don't think that "complexity" and Platonism (top-down being) suit each other. Complexity seems to arise from bottom-up being as sets of miracles that happen when the Aristotelian intellect gets stuck. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/

Re: Re: Wave collapse and consciousness

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal You say, "Well, with comp, the mind arise from arithmetic." Wouldn't a Platonist say instead that arithmetic arises from mind ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody A

Where do ideas come from?

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
of a wavicle. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - -list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything Lis

Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist That could be so. But Wittgenstein and others believed that the meaning of a word is established through usage. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Sheldrake's morphisms would be what John Clark or bruno theorized as God. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver:

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
re we "see" the chair. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-08, 12:40:25 Subject: Re: Is She

intuition as "wave collapse"

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen __,_._,___ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send emai

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy "Tentative meaning" would be more suitable than the word "opinion." [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content -

Could the Big Bang have been the collapse of a huge "pre-existing" quantum wave field ?

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
ith p<1 all over the universe before materializing at a specific (r,t), where the wavefield collapses. If this is possible, then the Big Bang might have been the collapse of a huge "pre-existing" quantum wave field (? ) [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forev

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-09 Thread Roger Clough
it hits the plate is a probability field with probability <1 all over the universe. Since p <1, it doesn't physically exist, it is nonphysical. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/9/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Re

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark. God so far has proven his existence to nobody, unless subjectively (spiritually), primarily because God is subjective, not objective. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Rec

Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-

Wave collapse and consciousness

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
de facto 1, and we have an actual photon at that location. So there is no mysterious connection between Cs and the collapse of qm fields, all that is needed is something such as a measurement probe to be in the path of the qm field to cause a collision. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extractedfrombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Exactly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-08, 09:23:56 Subject: Re: Re:

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
tic force near an electrically charged object, that would act on a body at any given point in that region. " [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content -

Bertrand Russell's view of Leibniz's definition of substance

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Here's Bertrand Russell's view of Leibniz's definition of substance http://www.ditext.com/russell/leib1.html#3 Every proposition has a subject and a predicate. A subject may have predicates which are qualities existing at various times. (Such a subject is called a substa

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Russell was a brilliant logician, but that's all he was. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Mathematical structures such as quantum fields are not in spacetime. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-l

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Even bacteria have some miniscule amount of intelligence, which is IMHO the ability to autonomously make choices. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Picking and choosing can sometimes be incorrect. When you try to find the meaning of a verse from the Bible, ideally you should find the meaning from the Bible as a whole. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near th

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
acted from brains viaacomputer Hi Craig, On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, January 7, 2013 6:19:33 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg ? Sorry, everybody, I was snookered into beli

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted frombrainsviaacomputer

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Presumably the brain works with analog, not digital, signals. But the redisplay of the brain image requires a digital image signal. How can that happen ? If the recponstructed brain image has no sync signal, how couold it display in a digital device ? [Roger Clough

intuition

2013-01-08 Thread Roger Clough
. pure, untaught, noninferential knowledge. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this

Re: Re: Liberal Fascism

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi spudboy100 While Hitler was the far Right, and Stalin of the far Left, they were silmilar in that both creating dominating Big Government types. Similar in that respect to today's liberals. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especiall

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi spudboy100 Theism, like atheism, is unprovable. So you have to treat it as an experimental hypothesis. Assume that, and see how you life is changed. If at all. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - W

Re: Re: Re:

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Neither hard or soft solutions are valid since they fantasize a meterial connection between mind and brain. Which is absurd. Leibniz is the only one to have solved the problem successfully. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, the theories are nonphysical, and in addition, quantum theories quantum theory applies to quantum fields, which are nonphysical. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brainsviaacomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Yes, but the display they show wouldn't work if there were no sync signal embedded in it. There's nothing in the brain to provide that, so they must have. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Better data connected to opinion than opinion alone. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: every

Re: Re: Question: Robotic truth

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Wiords are socially constructed, so anything in words is suspect. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver:

Liberal Fascism

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
to the level of being "a modern word for 'heretic,' branding an individual worthy of excommunication from the body politic", noting that in 1946, the socialist and anti-fascist writer George Orwell described the word as no longer having any meaning except to signify "

Re: Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrakecredible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
its agenda through law. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 16:56:43 Subject: Re: From nominalism to

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Quantum fields are nonphysical, since they do not exist in spacetime. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb There are some errors in fact in the Bible, but IMHO it is inerrant with regard to faith and practice. By inerrant, I mean that it is completely consistent along those lines. You have to take it as a whole. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb OK. I overreacted. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 16:19:52 Subject: Re: Is Sheldrak

Re: Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains viaacomputer

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Well then, we have at least one vote supporting the results. I remain sceptical because of the line sync issue. The brain doesn't provide a raster line sync signal. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially ne

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King Its simple. Quantum mechanics is nonphysical (is only mathematical). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: every

Re: Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrakecredible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I agree. And would add that structurally liberalism is fascist. Mainly in government control and control of beliefs. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona I have no problem with natural selection, it is a reasonable hypothesis. But natural selection implies some form of intelligence, which materialism cannot explain. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/7/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near th

Re: Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-07 Thread Roger Clough
e ? I personally think so. On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy ? You've obviously never watched one of Sheldrake's lectures. Watched, listened, and even read some things a few years back. I sincerely tried to open my mind, but when I real

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Not all physicists are materialists, or if they are, they are inconsistent if they deal with quantum physics, which is nonphysical. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Sorry, I obviously missed the point of your quote from Matthew. What is your point ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb

Re: Re:

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Could be, but so far no success. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 07:51:49 S

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King I think what was meant was the inverse, namely that no consistent materialist can believe in quantum mechanics. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the followi

Re: Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so.

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list

Re: Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via acomputer

2013-01-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Sorry, everybody, I was snookered into believing that they had really accomplished the impossible. The killer argument against that is that the brain has no sync signals to generate the raster lines. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long

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