Survival and reproduction don't exist. They are only concepts in your
consciousness.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 2:35 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> First of all, you talk about space as if it is some obvious concept. But
> is not obvious at all. As
What a strange dream you're having. Of all the dreams you *could* be
dreaming, your dream involves insulting people on the internet who talk
about their experiences as if they were real.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 4:52 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
Yes, thank you Russell, this is a real gift!
On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 7:15 PM Liz R wrote:
> Thanks Russell. Hope you are all well on the Everything list.
>
> On Monday 29 April 2024 at 17:04:14 UTC+12 Russell Standish wrote:
>
>> I did get a response from him when I suggested making Amoeba's Secr
Wow. Vance lends a supportive blurb to a book that says that democracy is a
failure and needs to be replaced by an authoritarian regime. This is
nakedly un-American. I can't believe anyone who isn't an extremist can
support that. But extremism is mainstream on the right now, and this blurb
is an e
Only in the most idealized sense of Turing completeness would we argue
whether the brain is Turing complete. Neural networks are Turing complete.
If we're interested in whether consciousness requires Turing completeness,
it seems silly to use the brain as a *counter example* of Turing
completeness
Every indication is that you're a troll - except for the fact that you've
written a paper on consciousness. I'm beginning to think you used AI to
write your paper. That would explain why you seem incapable of engaging
with actual questions and criticisms, because you have no actual interest
or know
If you have no idea, then just say so. Otherwise, answer the question.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> As I said: interacting with other consciousnesses.
>
> On Wednesday 10 July 2024 at 15:
That's something a 14 year old would say. Anyway, thanks for proving my
point.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 3:10 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. I'm sorry for your suffering. Hope you will find a girlfriend
>
list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. Other consciousnesses. That you cannot even imagine.
>
> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 22:45:45 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>> When you "take mushrooms", what happens is for your consciousness to
>>> interact with th
Your interactions here are a preview of what discourse on your google group
would be like. And there's a lot of words to describe that, but "inviting"
isn't one of them.
Terren
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-l
onsciousness?
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 1:14 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. "Mushrooms" are just an appearance in your consciousness that
> stand for other consciousnesses. When you "take mushr
cious agents.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 11:52 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. The dream is ordered because it is a statistical effect of
> interacting consciousnesses.
>
> --
> You received this message beca
mere correlation?
On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 11:51 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. Based on your logic, if when you get outside in the rain is cold
> and when you are inside the house is warm => house generates consc
hat stops
all further questions. The "hard problem" of idealism is: why does the
dream of God appear to be so lawful and ordered? Why does the dream
necessitate things like brains that appear to have causal influence on our
consciousness?
Terren
> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 11:24:45 U
How has your understanding of computer programming helped you avoid being
victimized by AI hype?
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 5:19 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> People that are victims of the AI hype neither understand computer
> programming nor cons
t my misunderstandings without resorting
to insults. And I will avoid jumping to conclusions. If we can do that,
maybe we can both benefit from a discussion. No hard feelings either way.
Terren
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:17 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@google
g wrong with that. But if that is your attention span,
> then you should employ it for tik-tok videos. Other subjects require a
> different attention span.
>
That's just unnecessary. At least I'm engaging with your paper. And, for
what it's worth, I'm busy. Having some
PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> @Terren. There is no "self" and "ability to reference". There is just
> self-reference. You can call it hampty-dampty if you want.
>
> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 20:
Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> The proper understanding happens by reading the paper, not by using
> hallucinatory objects to give you a devoid of meaning shortcut.
>
> On Tuesday 25 June 2024 at 16:42:11 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>&
it already presupposes two distinct components: a
"self" and the capacity to "reference". Worse, defining "self" (something
to be derived) in terms of "self-reference" (fundamental) is circular.
Terren
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:09 AM 'Cosmin
iculated this idea before, that the result of the training on
such large amounts of data may result in the ability of LLMs to create
models of reality and simulate minds and so forth, and it's an intriguing
possibility. However, one fact of how current LLMs operate is that they
don't know
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 2:04 PM John Clark wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:23 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
>> * LLMs are not AGI (yet), but it's hard to ignore they're (sometimes
>> astonishingly) competent at answering multi-modal questions acr
ever we think of as human intelligence, vs the
permutative repackaging of existing ideas we might think of as inherent in
the intelligence exhibited by LLMs, is blurry. Human creativity and
intelligence is probably a lot closer to what LLMs do than we'd like to
think. But it's also clea
Immortality is overrated.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 5:15 PM John Clark wrote:
> Richard Ngo, a top researcher at open AI, recently said something rather
> interesting:
>
> "*The closer we get to the singularity the lower my risk tolerance gets.
> I’d already ruled out skydiving and paragliding. La
hn, it's totally unpredictable,
but I think there's room for less dire narratives about how it could all
go. But one thing I do 100% agree with is that we're not taking this
seriously enough and that the usual capitalist incentives are pushing us
into dangerous territory.
Terre
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 6:00 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 4:14 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terre
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 5:47 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 3:50 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suy
n Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:33 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 Terren Suydam wrote:
>
> *> reality is fundamentally consciousness. *
>
>
> Then why does a simple physical molecule like *N**2**O *stop
> consciousness temporarily and another simple physical molecule l
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 4:17 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
>> * > in my view, consciousness entails a continuous flow of experience.*
>>
>
> If I could instantly stop all physical processes that are going on in
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:27 PM Jason Resch wrote:
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>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:15 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 11:08 AM Dylan Distasio
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> And yes, I'm arguing that a true simul
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 2:05 PM Jesse Mazer wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past ea
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2023, 9:34 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each
e possible in the Cambrian explosion and was
> built on from there over many many years.
>
Bacteria can move towards or away from certain stimuli, but it doesn't
follow that it feels pain or pleasure as it does so. That is using
functionalism to sweep the hard problem under the rug.
T
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 9:15 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 5:56 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of
>> chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your
>> de
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 7:09 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> As I see this thread, Terren and Stathis are both talking past each other.
> Please either of you correct me if i am wrong, but in an effort to clarify
> and perhaps resolve this situation:
>
> I believe Stathis is saying
at you're saying, if I'm reading you correctly, is that
that simulation feels pain. If so, how do you get that feeling of pain out
of code?
Terren
> Pain is the feeling you experience when pain receptors detect an area of
> the body is being damaged. It is ultimately based on a
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:32 AM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 14:23, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May
On Tue, May 23, 2023 at 12:14 AM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:37, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 11:13 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:48, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Ma
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:42 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 10:03, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:34 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 07:56, Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>> Many, myself included, are captivated by the amazing capabilities of
>> chatGPT and other LLMs. They are, truly, incredible. Depending on your
&
atGPT are useless
without enormous amounts of text that expresses actual intelligence.
Cal Newport does a good job of explaining this here
<https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/what-kind-of-mind-does-chatgpt-have>
.
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:37 AM John Clark wrote:
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>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:29 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> If you were on a debate team and given the side that children should
>>> be allowed to play on the highway could you have made a better cas
that it
seriously compromises the future of Truth Social. And, he's under contract
with Truth Social to not use any other platforms. Not that something as
silly as a legally binding contract would stop Trump from tweeting, but it
would give his lawyers yet another expensive project.
Terren
O
Hi Telmo,
I wouldn't say that people are ok with this. Even the people who are
against universal health care recognize how broken the system is. I'd say
it's more of a learned-helplessness kind of thing - there isn't much the
average person can do about it.
Terren
On Thu,
much better aligned - in this model, the doctor's office is incentivized to
keep people *out* of the office. In the existing model it's the opposite.
Terren
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> The graph begins to make a little more sense if one replaces the term
>
competitive practices and perverse incentives. But you knew that!
Terren
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 8:13 AM Telmo Menezes
wrote:
> I am curious about what Americans in this list think about this:
> https://i.redd.it/qrjgb2aakhb91.jpg
>
>
>
> Telmo
>
> --
> You received t
high resolution.
Terren
On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 8:15 PM wrote:
> Well to be honest unless they're growing human organs and limbs, tissue
> and nerves, ready for transplant, does this open the path to tissue
> engineering soon, or am I being too anti-intellectual to en
whole 52 minutes:
https://youtu.be/RjD1aLm4Thg
Terren
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I'm not accusing Lemoine of fabricating this. But what assurances could be
provided that it wasn't? I couldn't help notice that Lemoine does refer to
himself as an ex-convict.
Terren
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 6:22 PM John Clark wrote:
> A Google AI engineer named Blake Le
would
require the cosmonaut to execute it. If not, the threat is more serious.
Terren
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 5:31 PM John Clark wrote:
> Russia controls the part of the International Space Station that includes
> its engines used to adjust its orbit, Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Russia'
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:58 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 6:34 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> The problem with the real world of human enterprise (i.e. the domain in
>> which talk of replacing human programmers is relevant) is that AIs
>> currently
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:25 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 5:12 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> When you learned how to code did you have to reinvent all the
>>> programming languages and techniques and do it all on your own with no help
>>>
On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 4:24 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 2:34 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> Terren, we both know that's not the way AlphaCode works, it's a bit
>>> more complicated than that.
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 6:24 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
>
> AlphaCode is not capable of reading code. It's a clever version of monkeys
> typing on typewriters until they bang out a Shakespeare play. Still counts
> as AI, but cannot be said to understand code.
>
>
> What does it mean "to read code"? I
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 5:18 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 3:51 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> * > I dug a little deeper into how AlphaCode works. It generates millions
>> of candidate solutions using a model trained on github code. It then
>> filters
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 6:18 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:34 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> Look at this code for a subprogram and make something that does the
>>> same thing but is smaller or runs faster or both. And that's not a toy
&g
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:47 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 12:36 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> I'll make you a deal, I'll tell you "what problem it is trying to
>>> solve" if you first tell me how long a piece of string is. And i
d we believe it? It can't explain it to us.
>
> Brent
>
> On 2/4/2022 8:55 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
> I think for programmers to lose their jobs to AIs, AIs will need to grasp
> the problem domain, and I'm suggesting that's far too advanced for today's
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:06 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 7:20 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *>>> AlphaCode can potentially improve its code, but to what end? What
>>>> problem is it trying to solve? How does it know?*
>>>>
complex for us to see what will happen and so we use the
> computer to tell us what will happen. The computer can't "explain the
> result" to us and we can't grasp the whole domain of the computation, but
> we can grasp the result.
>
> Brent
>
> On 2/3/2022
Being able to grasp the problem domain is not the same thing as being
effective in it.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:07 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
>
> I think "able to grasp the problem domain we're talking about" is giving
> us way to much credit. Every study of stock traders I've seen says that
> they
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:22 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:23 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
>> *>AlphaCode can potentially improve its code, but to what end? What
>> problem is it trying to solve? How does it know?*
>>
>
> I don'
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 4:27 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 2:11 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> > *the code generated by the AI still needs to be understandable*
>
>
> Once AI starts to get to be really smart that's never going to happen,
> even
pposed to solve, understanding the tradeoffs between
different approaches, and being able to negotiate with stakeholders about
what the best approach is. It'll be a very long time before we're handing
that domain off to an AI.
Terren
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:17 PM Lawrence Crow
s question will only
get increasingly more relevant as new advances in AI are made. Can the
world ever hope to regulate something so simultaneously powerful and
cutting edge?
Terren
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:56 AM John Clark wrote:
> In my opinion this is the most impressive thing th
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:09 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 9:53 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *>>> All you've succeeded in doing is showing your preference for a
>>>> particular theory *
>>>>
>>>
>>> &
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 5:24 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:10 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >>>> I proposed a question, "How is it possible that evolution managed to
>>>>> produce consciousness?" and I gave the only answer to t
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 2:04 PM John Clark wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 12:24 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> I proposed a question, "How is it possible that evolution managed to
>>> produce consciousness?" and I gave the only answer to that qu
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:37 PM John Clark wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:47 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
> Finding a theory is not a problem, theories are a dime a dozen
>>> consciousness theories doubly so. But how could you ever figure out if
>
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:38 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 9:48 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
>
>> *>I think it's possible there was consciousness before there was
>> intelligence,*
>>
>
> I very much doubt it, but of course nobody wi
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:08 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 9:34 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> A theory would give you a way to predict what kinds of beings are
>> capable of feeling pain*
>>
>
> Finding a theory is not a problem, theories a
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:13 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 6:18 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> If you believe in Darwinian evolution and if you believe you are
>>> conscious then given that evolution can't select for what it can't
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 1:57 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everyt
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 4:40 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 7:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everyt
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 7:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 3:17 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:51 PM John Clark wrote:
>
>> On Wed, A
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 5:51 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 4:48 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *>>> testimony of experience constitutes facts about consciousness.*
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Sure I agree, provided you first accept
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 4:08 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:50 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> testimony of experience constitutes facts about consciousness.*
>
>
> Sure I agree, provided you first accept that consciousness is the
> inevitable byp
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:15 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 2:39 PM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> Forget BF Skinner, this is more general than consciousness or
>>> behavior. If you want to explain Y at the most fundamental level from first
>>>
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:02 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/28/2021 11:39 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:
> >
> > I'm interested in a theory of consciousness that can tell me, among
> >
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 12:06 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:17 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> >> We should always pay attention to all relevant *BEHAVIOR**,* including
>>> *BEHAVIOR* such as noises produced by the mouths of other people.
>&
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:15 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 8:32 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> John - do you have any response?*
>>
>
> If you insist.
>
> >> It's not hard to make progress in consciousness research, it's
&
John - do you have any response?
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 9:38 AM Terren Suydam
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:22 AM John Clark wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:08 AM Terren Suydam
>> wrote:
>>
>> *> consciousness is harder to work with tha
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:22 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:08 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> *> consciousness is harder to work with than intelligence, because it's
>> harder to make progress.*
>
>
> It's not hard to make progress in
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:27 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 4/26/2021 11:11 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
> Sure - although it seems possible that there could be intelligences that
> are not consc
rvice of its own interests. They can certainly be said to
"prospectively consider scenarios in which they are actors in which the
scenario is informed by past experience". Is a corporation conscious?
Terren
>
> Brent
>
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> may have come about, "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the
> Bicameral Mind". I don't know that he got it exactly right, but I think he
> was on to the right idea.
>
I agree!
Terren
>
&
ering
independently from its effects on outward behavior?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 11:16 AM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:45 AM Terren Suydam
> wrote:
>
> > It's impossible to refute solipsism
>>
>
> True, but it's equally impossible to refute
ated by
other people. It just requires belief.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:39 AM Henrik Ohrstrom
wrote:
> That would be, it is quite solipsistic?
> /henrik
>
>
> Den mån 26 apr. 2021 kl 14:31 skrev Terren Suydam >:
>
>> Assuming the program has a state and that state chan
Assuming the program has a state and that state changes in response to its
inputs, then it seems reasonable to say the program is conscious in some
elemental way. What is it conscious "of", though? I'd say it's not
conscious of anything outside of itself, in the same way we are not
conscious of any
This is how I see it as well. All possible worlds already exist in a
platonic sense, and one's experience represents a single path traversed
through the infinite multitude of possibilities. This connects nicely to
the universal dovetailer idea.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:19 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote
;s the case, the hypergraph iteration is just a program running on
the dovetailer.
Terren
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:24 AM Alan Grayson wrote:
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> https://www.pcgamer.com/physicist-stephen-wolfram-thinks-hes-on-to-a-theory-of-everything-and-he-wants-help-simulating-the-universe/
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tiose; and
> probably the "exists" too.
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> Brent
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> On 2/19/2020 7:16 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
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> That's my view as well. However, the original article made reference to
> "absolute truth", and whether that concept is sensible. Thinking of
> Des
;s absolutely true that "consciousness
exists", and this is about as context-free a statement as one can make.
Terren
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:20 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM
x27;t we have
> built a better, smarter version of us ? The AI surely would be able to
> build another one and by iterating, a better one.
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> What's wrong with this ?
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> Quentin
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> Le ven. 12 juil. 2019 à 06:28, Terren Suydam a
> écrit :
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>> Sure, but that&
r' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Advances in intelligence can just be gaining more factual knowledge,
> knowing more mathematics, using faster algorithms, etc. None of that is
> barred by not being able to model oneself.
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> Brent
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>
asing
advances in intelligence.
Terren
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:29 PM Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
> "A certain artist, having escaped from the lunatic asylum in which,
> rightly or wrongly, he had be confined, purchased the materials of his
> craft and set to work to make a complete pict
dedicated 5
episodes to Deleuze. If you're interested, check out the first episode here
<http://philosophizethis.org/deleuze-pt-1/>.
Terren
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:15 PM Pierz wrote:
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> I've been thinking and writing a lot recently about a conception of
> reality which
I'll add my voice to those asking you to put up or shut up. Produce an act
of telepathy. You name the terms, since you're the one making the claim
that you can do it.
But you won't do it, because you can't. That's my clairvoyant prediction.
On Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:37 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everyt
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