[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > Interestingly (as I'm sure you know), Pennington was > for some years a TM teacher. He more or less ripped off > the TM technique and adapted it to an explicitly > religious context, as is obvious from his description > above. I'm prett

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > Interestingly (as I'm sure you know), Pennington was > > for some years a TM teacher. He more or less ripped off > > the TM technique and adapted it to an explicit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > 4. Whenever you become aware of anything (thoughts, > > > feelings, perceptions, images, associations, etc.), > > > simply return to your sacred word, your anchor. > > > > That is quite a paraphrase and might must as well have > > co

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
Thanks for the response. Comments below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Would it have > > become less about self-discovery for you? > > No. It would have been irrelevant. > > But it would not have been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Thanks for the response. Comments below. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Would it have > > > become less about self-discovery for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho wrote: > > Outsiders have no clue what TM means let alone the infinite amount of > meditations> available.  Take a poll of 'meditators' (including Yoga people), > and they have 0 interest! But if they forked over $2,500 they could get the HIGHES

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > But there's *no way* people can ever have the > complete picture without really getting into it, > including plenty of experience of the technique. > > In between virtually no information about TM's > origins and context and full inform

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho wrote: > > > > Outsiders have no clue what TM means let alone the infinite amount of > > meditations> available.  Take a poll of 'meditators' (including Yoga > > people), and t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > But there's *no way* people can ever have the > > complete picture without really getting into it, > > including plenty of experience of the technique. > > > > In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > As far as TM being a wide spread beneficial practice I believe we have > conducted this experiment and the numbers are in. People who don't get into > the philosophy and belief system don't continue TM. > Perhaps. But I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Thanks for the response. Comments below. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > But there's *no way* people can ever have the > > > complete picture without really getting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho wrote: > > > > > > Outsiders have no clue what TM means let alone the infinite amount of > > > meditations>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread grate . swan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > Would you > have any objections to attendees at the up- > coming McCartney concert being handed a > flyer containing only the English translation > of the TM puja -- no commentary, only a sim- > ple explanation that this was a translation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > Now, since I have been indulging your ques- > > tions, please indulge one of mine. Would you > > have any objections to attendees at the up- > > coming McCartney concert b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > But there's *no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > I called you out on using an ad hominem argument > in our last discussion It wasn't an "argument," it was an observation. When I first made it, you reacted badly, so I dropped it. Then just recently, as I noted earlier today, you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In Fairfie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoog

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho wrote: > > Checks in the envelope . . where to mail it! T To me of course, I'll make sure he gets it! I'll cash it in my bank and write a check on my own account, then drop the check into the Ganges to follow his ashes! > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > I called you out on using an ad hominem argument > > in our last discussion > > It wasn't an "argument," it was an observation. > When I first made it, you reac

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoog

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > I called you out on using an ad hominem argument > > > in our last discussion > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 12:00 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > Although Maharishi promotes the idea of coming back to the mantra > > was his unique contribution, I'm not sure a broader study of the > > source documents would support this. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Now, since I have been indulging your ques- > > > tions, please indulge one of mine. Would you > > > h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > Seems to me that MMY's "unique contribution" is the understanding that > thinking a mantra is no different than thinking any other thought. > > Insomuch as most other meditation "techniques" seem to miss this point, > I'd say it is unique

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > Seems to me that MMY's "unique contribution" is the understanding that > > thinking a mantra is no different than thinking any other thought. > > > > Insomuch as mos

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > Seems to me that MMY's "unique contribution" is the understanding that > > > thinking a mantra i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > Now, since I have been indulg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > Seems to me that MMY's "unique contribution" is the > understanding that thinking a mantra is no different > than thinking any other thought. I'm not sure you can pick out any one specific point as his unique contribution. It was the way h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > Now, since I have been indulg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > Seems to me that MMY's "unique contribution" is the > > understanding that thinking a mantra is no different > > than thinking any other thought. > > I'm not sure you can p

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > Really, in terms of the technical description of how > TM is practiced in the initial technique--it's not > truly like 'any other thought', as one is enjoined to > maintain mindfulness (or smriti to use the actual > technical term) both as the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > >>> This principle doesn't hold up all the way through the advanced > >>> techniques or the defunct Chopra technique. But in any case I've > >>> not met any TMer who could rightful

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > Seems to me

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > Seems to me that MMY's "unique contribution" is the > > understanding that thinking a mantra is no different > > than thinking any other thought. > > I'm not sure you can p

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:01 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Mar 28, 2009, at 12:00 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > >> > >>> Although Maharishi promotes the idea of coming back to the ma

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > >>> This principle doesn't hold up all the way through the advanced > >>> techniques or the defunct Chopra technique. But in any case I've > >>> not met any TMer who could rightful

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 5:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > >>> This principle doesn't hold up all the way through the advanced > > >>> techniques or the defunct Chopra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > At one stage you are directing the mantra. This is not like any other > > thought. That was my point. > > > > We seem to have different ideas about how things work > > I know all of these advanced techniques are on the web but I don

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > At one stage you are directing the mantra. This is not like any other > > > thought. That was my point. > > > > > > > We seem to have different ideas about how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 7:59 PM, raunchydog wrote: > > Vaj, You haven't a clue about the practice of TM. > > Intersting opinion but WRONG. :-) No, she's quite correct. God only knows where you came up with this stuff, but it has nothing to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > Vaj, You haven't a clue about the practice of TM. > > Intersting opinion but WRONG. :-) > > > > >> > >> Really, in terms of the technical description of how TM is practiced > >> in the initial technique--it's not truly like 'any other th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > Unless, you have actually practiced TM, and it doesn't > sound like you have, you're just pontificating about > something you don't know anything about. I don't know > what meditation you practice, but I'd be surprised if > you've ever ha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > Unless, you have actually practiced TM, and it doesn't > > sound like you have, you're just pontificating about > > something you don't know anything about. I don't know > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:45 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > >>> At one stage you are directing the mantra. This is not like any > >>> other thought. That was my point. > >>> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Vaj wrote: > > >> This is not like any other thought. The level of mantra repetition > >> where mantra continues continuously like a spontaneous thought > >> actually is ajapa-japa: no effort or smriti, jus

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > Unless, you have actually practiced TM, and it doesn't > > > sound like you have, you're just pontificat

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > I've learned a lot of variations on mantra concentration over the > years, from the TM "charm causes the mind to spontaneously > concentrate" idea to many other kinds. One of the problems I noticed > with very "slack" techniques like TM is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > It's as if someone were to say baseball was a flawed > version of cricket. Two different games. > LOL. O.K. Vaj, spill the beans when and where were you on TTC?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread enlightened_dawn11
fwiw, in a future lifetime, possibly two or three from this one, Vaj and the others on here with an antagonistic relationship to their TM experiences will be great proponents of the technique. but there is zero chance of it being this lifetime, so no point in trying to change their minds durin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-28 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > fwiw, in a future lifetime, possibly two or three from this one, Vaj and the > others on here with an antagonistic relationship to their TM experiences will > be great proponents of the technique. > I'm a very big fan of poet

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > I'm talking about the "outward" stroke RD, not the inward one. If you > keep returning on the outward stroke it's because your level of > attention was faulty...another thing you were apparently never told... > > ...here, have a cracker

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > > This is not like any other thought. The level of mantra > > > repetition where mantra continues continuously like a > > > spontaneous thought actually is ajapa-japa: no effort or > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > This is not like any other thought. The level of mantra > > > > repetition where mantra continues continuously like a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > >>> This is not like any other thought. The level of mantra repetition > >>> where mantra continues continuously like a spontaneous thought

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > On Mar 28, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > > > >>> This is not like any other thought. The level of mantra re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread enlightened_dawn11
enjoy your dance-- i will too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > > > fwiw, in a future lifetime, possibly two or three from this one, Vaj and > > the others on here with an antagonistic relationship

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread enlightened_dawn11
Vaj is conflicted between letting go with TM and being bound to the same old worthless traditions. that is why he wrestles with TM so, trying to fit it into a box that it doesn't fit in. the Maharishi was not one to resurrect the fools and worthlessness of the past, rather to make a clean, eff

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
Vaj, Until you answer whether or not you are a TM teacher, you have absolutely no credibility on anything you say about TM. You are a fraud until you prove otherwise. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 29, 2009, at 9:53 AM, raunchydog wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: > > It's probably time for a TM and mantra > > meditation FAQ... > > raunchydog wrote: > Vaj, Your superior tone is nothing more than > delusions grandeur. You think you know about > TM. You don't. By the way when and where did > you do TTC? Did you ever teach anyone TM? > Where an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:24 AM, raunchydog wrote: > > > Vaj, Until you answer whether or not you are a TM teacher, you have > > absolutely no credibility on anything you say about TM. You are a > > fraud until you prove otherwise. > > The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Vaj, Until you answer whether or not you > > are a TM teacher, you have absolutely no > > credibility on anything you say about TM. > > You are a fraud until you prove otherwise. > > Vaj wrote: > The only fraud I see here is the one > presenting false views. I guess the good > thing is, yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > I've seen a photo of BillyG shaking hands with > Charles F. Lutes, and I've seen a leaflet with > Barry Wright's picture on it. Kirk posted a > graduation photo of himself at MUM. > Vaj...nada.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: So you are thinking that a bunch of people here are interested enough in TM to post regularly concerning their detailed opinions of where Maharishi got it wrong... with no detailed exposure to his system of thought? Do I have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > I've seen a photo of BillyG shaking hands > > with Charles F. Lutes, and I've seen a > > leaflet with Barry Wright's picture on it. > > Kirk posted a graduation photo of himself > > at MUM. > > raunchydog wrote: > Vaj...nada. > There was this one guy on alt.m.t., Lon P. Stacks, who claimed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: > Show me you dome badge buddy!? > I've seen no evidence that Curtis has ever been inside a 'Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge', or that he has ever even seen a 'dome badge'. Who are these anonymous posters anyway? We don't take to trollers here much, Curtis. > > Yeah, let's get so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > Yet another round of people *who have never > practiced any other technique of meditation > other than TM* declaring over and over, "TM > is unique!!!" The absurdity of it staggers > the imagination. > > At least Vaj has *practiced* other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread enlightened_dawn11
if you think any of the TM critics here are trying to learn anything except shore up their defenses against a technique that transcends everything, you truly are dreaming. this is not some high minded exercise in "compare and contrast". it is a feeble attempt by those who's egos are in the way,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > If Vaj really ever was a teacher, he's got some kind > > of extremely weird cognitive deficit. He's frequently > > dishonest, but I can't believe he'd be so *stupid* as > > to think anyone who had ever been involved with TM > > would fall for the sort of thing he was going on about > > in this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM, authfriend wrote: > > If Vaj really ever was a teacher, he's got some kind > > of extremely weird cognitive deficit. He's frequently > > dishonest, but I can't believe he'd be so *stupid* as > > to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > The lack of interest in Vaj's perspective I see here, > the polemic gamesmanship used to try to discredit him > personally rather than address the points he has > brought up, reveals an anti-intellectual bias that > reminds me of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > But here you have a guy who is wy into meditation and is > obviously very sharp, and I don't sense a shred of curiosity > about his detailed perspective among the people here who claim > to be way into self development?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: >> > Vaj, Your superior tone is nothing more than delusions grandeur. You think > you know about TM. You don't. By the way when and where did you do TTC? Did > you ever teach anyone TM? Where and when was that? If you're a TM teacher, as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > Vaj is conflicted between letting go with TM and being bound to the same old > worthless traditions. that is why he wrestles with TM so, trying to fit it > into a box that it doesn't fit in. > > the Maharishi was not one to re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Yet another round of people *who have never > > practiced any other technique of meditation > > other than TM* declaring over and over, "TM > > is unique!!!" The absurdity

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Vaj wrote: > > > It's probably time for a TM and mantra > > > meditation FAQ... > > > > raunchydog wrote: > > Vaj, Your superior tone is nothing more than > > delusions grandeur. You think you know about > > TM. You don't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Show me you dome badge buddy!? > > Judy wrote: > He's discredited *himself* personally. And > you're discrediting yourself by defending > him and attacking us. > So, it's settled then - Vaj and Curtis and Turq are discredited by Judy. But, nobody here has a dome badge they can show. Is ther

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > I am TM initiate #214 in the U.S.A., according > > to Beaulah Smith, and I meditate regularly in > > the 'Maharishi Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge', > > at Radiance, Texas and I can prove it. > > Jim wrote: > Nice, thanks for posting this. I did not know you > are one of the Pioneers ! > "

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Mar 29, 2009, at 11:05 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > The lack of interest in Vaj's perspective I see here, > > the polemic gamesmanship used to try to discredit him > > personally rather than address the points he has > > brought up, re

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > Show me you dome badge buddy!? > > > > Judy wrote: > > He's discredited *himself* personally. And > > you're discrediting yourself by defending > > him and attacking us. > > > So, it's settled then - Vaj and Curtis and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > Show me you dome badge buddy!? > > > > Judy wrote: > > He's discredited *himself* personally. And > > you're discrediting yourself by defending > > him and attacking us. > > > So, it's settled then - Vaj and Curtis and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > It doesn't matter *how* many other techniques Vaj > has studied or for how long. If he can't give an > accurate account of what TM is, there's no way he > can make valid comparisons. My point exactly.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > Show me you dome badge buddy!? > > > > Judy wrote: > > He's discredited *himself* personally. And > > you're discrediting yourself by defending > > him and attacking us. > > > So, it's settled then - Vaj and Curtis and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Mar 29, 2009, at 11:05 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > > The lack of interest in Vaj's perspective I see here, > > > the polemic gamesmanship used to try to discredit hi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > > >>> Show me you dome badge buddy!? > >>> > > Judy wrote: > >> He's discredited *himself* personally. And > >> you're discrediting yourself by defending > >> him and attacking us. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > The lack of interest in Vaj's perspective I see here, > > the polemic gamesmanship used to try to discredit him > > personally rather than address the points he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > The lack of interest in Vaj's perspective I see here, > > > the polemic gamesmans

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > The lack of interest in Vaj's perspective I see here, > > > the polemic gamesmans

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
Judy wrote: > > It's disingenuous for you to lump me and raunchydog > > and ed11 in with Willytex, Curtis. > > Curtis wrote: > Let's see, I was responding to Raunchy and Dicky boy > directly, why would you feel threatened? > You failed to respond, Curtis: let me rephrase the question: 'What wou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-03-31 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > You didn't show your dome badege; you haven't posted > anything to prove your status in the TMO. Let's see > some proof before you go opening your pie-hole about > TM and the TMO and the Marshy. This coming from the genius w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > You didn't show your dome badege; you haven't posted > > anything to prove your status in the TMO. Let's see > > some proof before you go opening your pie-hole about > > TM and the TMO and the Marshy. > > Curtis wrote: > This coming from the genius who defines TM as "thinking > things over!"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > You didn't show your dome badege; you haven't posted > > > anything to prove your status in the TMO. Let's see > > > some proof before you go opening your pie-hole about > > > TM and the TMO and the Marshy. > > > > Curtis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > You didn't show your dome badege; you haven't posted > > > anything to prove your status in the TMO. Let's see > > > some proof before you go opening your pie-hole about > > > TM and the TMO and the Marshy. > > > > Curtis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Everyone meditates; there's probably not a single person > > on the planet who doesn't pause once or twice a day to > > take stock of their own mental contents. And we're > > transcending, all the time. Meditation simply means to > > 'think things over'. According to Marshy, meditation is > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > 1. to think calm thoughts in order to relax or as a > > religious activity: > > Curtis wrote: > I do this too so I must be a natural TMer! > Well, that's my point, Curtis. You've been meditating for most of your adult life. Anyone who practices playing music as much as you do, probably medi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > According to Maharishi, TM is the passing of the cognitive > attention from one level of consciousnes to another, sutler > level of consciousness. This passing back and forth between > the gross and finer levels of conscious

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread satvadude108
That InnerKids foundation looks very cool. Thanks for the heads up. I'd never heard of it. An MBSR instructor I know tells me kids take to Mindfullness instruction amazingly fast. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, grate.swan wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread satvadude108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: . > > > > Judy, > > > > I find this not only insulting, but unworthy of > > an otherwise excellent conversation about our > > different POVs on this subject. It is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free Web Event: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert to Push TM in Public Schools

2009-04-01 Thread Tom
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > Here's an old picture of me and the Big Reesh on vacation in Canada. > He was an excellent student in many ways!: > Now that *is* funny, even if Nabby does think it will costs yas a few extra yugas in the bardo for posting it.

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