[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-11 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people here are just pissed about the call of the Satsang givers, to give up seeking, to rather look at the truth which is there right now. I don't recall people getting pissed at the call to give up

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-11 Thread anon_couscous_ff
Thanks. Good responses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Some people here are just pissed about the call of the Satsang givers, to give up seeking, to rather look at the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he wasn't a great intellect. He got it because he had trust, and accepted the truth in the core of his heart, and that is the only way it can

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-11 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he wasn't a great intellect. He got it because he had trust, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-11 Thread Vaj
On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:51 AM, t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he wasn't a

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-10 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: As i said previously, the breaking of IT into infinite flow

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your following point as well,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? No, but some how I feel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:11 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Puja's an example. A most profound darshan. The Holy Tradition puja? Indeed...really a form of guru-yoga IMMO. Yes, thats the example I was referring to. But upon reflection, various pujas and homas also create a strong darshan

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:19 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? No, but some how I feel exactly as if I have.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote:From what I know, and what I have seenin the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: Thetruth of non-duality is being pointed out and explained in terms ofhis own everyday experience, it is being discussed, and quite oftenpeople are

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explained in terms

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explained in terms

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:31 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:31 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:31 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: In some posts there seems to be a jumping around between a describing a dualistic state, turiyatita,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only reply I have for both of you, is, 'argue for your limitations, and they are yours'. And where pray tell is there arguing for our limitations in the above? The above simply points out some observed apparent

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme reactions to simply asking questions about eperiences. By whom? Well Jim is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 12:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:The only reply I have for both of you, is, 'argue for your limitations, and they are yours'. There is simply *no way* to justify the steps or signs of Enlightenment through the lens of the small self ego, something which you both persist in doing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: It raises the question as to why the observations and questions are being ignored. One possible hypothesis is because they have no

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: It raises the question as to why the observations and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: That may be a story you are comfortable with, as you trot it out

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explained in terms

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding, to bring light to unexplored perspectives and nuances. But, at least in the case of CC, which is held to be purely due to a mechanical process of

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: [...] Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding, to bring light to unexplored perspectives and nuances. But, at least in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Does your reason for reference to a space and time starting point because you experience a source of knowldge in that? If so, it makes some sense from my experince, though your words, to me do not clearly get to that point. I used to

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Questioners are at times cast as snakes or as being jealous of not having any experience, etc. It seems that if the experience is true, and the interpretation of it is strong, any and all questions would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explained in terms

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: It raises the question as to why the observations and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Does your reason for reference to a space and time starting point because you experience a source of knowldge in that? If so, it makes some sense from my experince,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme reactions to simply asking questions about experiences. By

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: [...] Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:40 PM, t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The truth of

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:43 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: I used the term exploding bindu points of knowledge -- quite loosely, not formally having any traditional knowldge of bindus -- but it was a term that seemed to fit. Do you have links (beyond what I can find in a google search) the well

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: First, he did find consistent physiological differences between TMers who reported 24/7 witnessing and those who didn't does not establish

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ [...] Not very selective. But you do answer questions, or respond to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:00 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: I don't know about that. In the Satsangs that I observered, nobody stands there saying: 'I am enlightened and you are not' I indeed have never heard of this. I don't see Vaj stating that. You maybe are reading into his post

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: First, he did find consistent physiological differences between

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ [...]

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Its too bad straight forward questions can't be asked and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: But some in the neo-satsong crowd disgard this is non-sense, you expect too much, let go of your expectations, MMY is wrong, there are 100

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: All of your references and observations above, bindu hot spots, etc, have to do with the active intellect, the intellect in motion, problem

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: **SNIP** MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: can they float? Yes, thats an interesting one. I have heard him

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: All of your references and observations above, bindu hot spots,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip I was investigating the Satsang movement in the context of its historic origin, which is good to do while you mix it with Zen Buddhism

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming enlightenment: People may say liar and be turned off to TM because they believe you are lying. People may look at you and say Who wants to be like that? and stop meditating

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: can they float? Since CC is associated with yoga/samkhya-darshana and Patanjali's yoga-sutra why would they not be able to float having achieved turiyatita (CC)?

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming enlightenment: People may say liar and be turned off to TM because they believe you are lying.

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: can they float? Since CC is associated with yoga/samkhya-darshana and Patanjali's yoga-sutra why would they not be

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: I don't know about that. In the Satsangs that I observered, nobody stands there saying: 'I am enlightened and you are not' I indeed have

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming enlightenment: People may say liar and be turned off to TM because they believe you are lying. People

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: can they float? Since CC is associated with yoga/samkhya-darshana and Patanjali's yoga-sutra why would they not be able

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming enlightenment: People

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: can they float? Since CC is associated with

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: can they float? Since CC is

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: Paraphrasing what the

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread Vaj
On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:48 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:48 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: As i said previously, the breaking of IT into infinite flow of time, and infinte increments of space is the core delusion of an

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip I was investigating the Satsang movement in the context of its

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. Maybe I am not following all the thread. Small and perhaps unimportant point, but I still didnt see Vaj saying that in satsangs he has heard people say I am enlightened and you are not. I didn't actually say

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:40 PM, t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: From what I know, and what I have seen in the Satsang

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: can they float? Since CC is

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: MMY's simple test for

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:48 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: OK. Maybe I am not following all the thread. Small and perhaps unimportant point, but I still didnt see Vaj saying that in satsangs he has

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip If you ever watch the videos of the early days of the yogic flying olympics, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip If you

[FairfieldLife] re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread Vaj
On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:50 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: What is the difference between so called life and so called death? We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, so what difference is it if the consciousness is in the living room or the dining room or the bedroom? Is it

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:50 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: What is the difference between so called life and so called death? We don't go away- our essential nature, our consciousness remains, so what difference is it if the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread Vaj
On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the rest of it manageable, and much more interesting. Otherwise we just as

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread Vaj
On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Good luck with that. your cynicism is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread Vaj
On Apr 8, 2006, at 6:08 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/8/06 4:39 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

2006-04-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yep- that all makes sense. The one thing we should establish in this life is groundedness, centeredness, identification with the Self, the cosmos, Brahman. Just makes the

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