On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote:
I also have had similar experiences regarding the desire to cry that
dissolves, especially when I have good strong experiences after
my Sidha/TM practice.
this also brings me to experience a desire to nullify the whole
existence and be in a cave
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I was always puzzled by Maharishi's recurrent hope
that some dictator or
factory owner was going to mandate TM on his
citizens/employees. He tried
repeatedly to get this to happen and it always
flopped.
It is a rather unusual take on
and I'd get bored with it. Startingand stopping created the
contrast needed to keep TM interesting forme.Alex---Ditto,
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In a message dated 3/26/05 9:49:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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I
believe fundie Christians are already loosing face nationwide, and it
will be a fast downward slide. I hope you're right, but I won't
hold my breath.
Oh, please do!
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Hi Anon:
On Mar 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, anonymousff wrote:
Would you elaborate on that, what samsara means here and how
would it be created thru that process/experience?
Samsara is a 'pattern of suffering'. These are kept going by the
kleshas you know from the Patanjali sutras (but you will
On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote:
I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I have heard people
say it for years now and have hear Maharishi imtimate it. However,
when you sit up in front of people and wait until someone puts your
deerskin down before you get seated. when
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Kenny H wrote:
I thoroughly disagree with this statement though I
have heard people
say it for years now and have hear Maharishi
imtimate it. However,
when you sit up in front of people and wait until
someone puts
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 3/25/05 11:56 PM, Bob Brigante at
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Until you know that: Maharishi slept on the floor
at the foot of Guru
Dev's bed; people do not follow rigorous diets,
but in fact choose
what they want to eat; development of
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim to
have the experience of others.
So you are saying you have witnessed MMY formally accepting sishyas?
That's the point here, not that people do not or cannot derive some
benefit from him or
on 3/26/05 6:32 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 1:09 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
No one can be a personal guru to the masses, but you're kidding
yourself if
you don't think he had a very close guru/diciple relationship with the
inner
circle
The guru-disciple
on 3/26/05 6:39 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I get more involved with Punditji it's becoming
clearer and clearer that there is an inner and an
outer relationship with the guru. The outer
relationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tell
absolutely nothing of the
Perhaps it doesn't work for you. You can't claim tohave the
experience of others. -PeterIt's not that it works or
that it doesn't work. It's the denigration of all past traditions in the simple
phrase, "Spiritual Regeneration," or other (tmed) Maharishisms. It's not the
purity of the
As I get more involved with Punditji it's becomingclearer and
clearer that there is an inner and anouter relationship with the guru. The
outerrelationship means, essentially, nothing. You can tellabsolutely
nothing of the inner relationship from theouter relationship of another. We
know
on 3/26/05 7:54 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
He did initiate some westerners into Brahmacharya with an elaborate
ceremony.
OK, here's a fine point: did he personally initiate them or did he have
a Brahmin perform the rite? Who
On Mar 26, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
He did it. I don't know if was an upanayama ceremony. It lasted about
an
hour and was done privately for each man. He laid his hands on their
heads
and did other stuff.
Thanks for sharing that--that was beautiful to hear.
I don't want
Wrong. TM lost that court case, because it was deemed to have
religious overtones.
The 1977 court ruling, Malnak v. Yogi, dealt a serious blow to the
movement. TM appealed to the New Jersey State Supreme Court claiming
they were not teaching religion, but proven scientific techniques. The
Comment below:
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:16 AM, off_world_beings
wrote:
Your just mad because TM gets taught in some
public schools in the
US,
gets taught to
You seem to be the only one that knows that, as there are no articles on the Web that support that claim.
Sal
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:26 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Wrong. It was overturned, and TM is now being taught in Public
Schools in the US, and has been for at least 10 years.
Its $2.50 a day over 3 years.
Few keep up with it for three years.
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What DOES matter is if they are charging 2400 USD
a pop.
That is criminal.
No its not. You are making this up.
Its $2.50 a day over 3 years.
Which is less than
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I
agree upon something! Sure, MMY appears to do some
pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened
status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques
means they simply did not bear
Hi Peter:
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
The age of enlightenment must be here, Off_world and I
agree upon something!
Sure, MMY appears to do some
pretty whacky things, but to dismiss his enlightened
status is a mistake and to dismiss his techniques
means they simply
On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
Your mind is tuned to not find it.
My mind might be, but my search engine isn't, and it didn't find anything to support your claim either. And it won't, not until Malnak v Yogi is overturned. I wouldn't hold my breath on thiat one.
Ever
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
It was not folly on MMY's part, it was just a way of dealing with
children who insisted, wrongly as it turns out, that they were
qualified to be Brahmacharis.
Interesting if true.
This reminds me of the anecdote in Nancy Cooke de Herrera's
In a message dated 3/26/05 6:20:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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. The
Supreme Court upheld the initial decision in a 1979 ruling. After
several years of steady growth, this same time frame marks the
beginning of a decline in the number of new initiates to
on 3/26/05 7:05 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*
MMY did this for a handful of westerners who kept bugging him that they
wanted to be celibate monk-types, but after they all were unsuccessful
in this line of work, MMY quit doing it, right?
Right. And since he
on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
religions.
It requires you to believe the mantra will work--a mantra from the
Hindu tantras. It requires you to hear a listing of a common lineage in
Hinduism. It requires
on 3/26/05 9:38 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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on 3/26/05 7:19 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No it is not. It does not require any belief, or giving up other
religions.
It requires you
on 3/26/05 9:36 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you LIKE starting arguments, don't you!!
kh
Who me? Yeah, gotta stir the pot every now and then.
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on 3/26/05 10:52 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*
People who are ordered to start TM are unlikely to have the same
interest in continuing as those who had the desire on their own. Bill
Coors, the beer baron, ordered his execs to start TM, naturally it
did not work
on 3/26/05 11:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, all this may not make much of a difference, since an actual
yogic flyer would be far and away the best advertising possible, and
I think a legitimate and convincing demonstration in possible in the
near future,
What
On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:59 AM, rgjcm wrote:
Absolutely rightand what about the millions of people, rich and
poor alike, who are willing to spend huge amounts in cigarettes,
alcohol, etc...we always find the money for those, yet we don't want
to pay much for a technique we could use for
On Mar 25, 2005, at 7:43 AM, Paul Mason wrote:
SwaroopanandJi: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami
Tulsidas: The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in
return for initiation, steals disciples property and goes to damnable
hell.
Hi Paul:
This is precisely what the
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:10 AM, akasha_108 wrote:
So it follows then that if a teacher does charge, he is offering the
student a great blessing by creating a link to the student by which
all the students sins are transmitted to the teacher. And folowing
this logic if more money is charged,
On Mar 25, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
Ammachi always imparts mantras without charge.
Yeah I liked that about her. She initiated me into Kali and gave
Shaktipat for free. Back then she used to talk in this kind of
proto-Sanskrit and she was just in this ecstatic trance. Then we
on 3/25/05 10:35 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at
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Akasha 108 writes:
Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick
gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm,
mixed bag of karma for that ?
Tom T:
He also
on 3/25/05 10:56 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Akasha 108 writes:
Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick
gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick
and this is entirely against the canons of Indian culture and
civilization.-yes, what he said!To
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In a message dated 3/25/05 6:44:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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If
anyone wants to make a donation to the TMO they can, at any time. I was
instructed at Maharishi Ashram for free. I have since made many donations
to the movement.As far as I can gather there
How does this sin model work for TM teachers. Do they take on half
ofthe sin of each student, the other half is taken on by
"Internaional"?Maybe that explains why the TMO, and most of its
teachers sort ofcrashed after the bom initiations days of the mid
70's. BothInternational and
always wonderin what the moral analogue of that is.
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:49
AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF
TM.
Well, MMY used to use an analogy equating TM with
building
, 2005 12:38
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF
TM.
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the best way for all of us initiators who have initiated formoney
over the years to make amends is to go out and teach at least as many
people
Perhaps thats what holding up Heaven on Earth. It won't happen
untilyou fully pay back your loan. I was always an
undermotivated under acheiver, Lord, why did you place this burden upon me?
Could not someone help me pay back my loans and support heaven on earth? I
prefer sponsors
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--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the
best way for all of us initiators who have initiated formoney over
the years to make amends is to go out and teach at
On Mar 25, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
I
don't hear other Shankaracharyas engaging in jealous condemnation of
Maharishi, yet you take at face value what one Shankaracharya says as
definitive.
I have. Although I wouldn't call it jealousy, I'd call it disgust.
That's not to say
on 3/25/05 5:32 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is some question at what point the alien walk-in took over,
since Rick was clever enough to use heroin in the two weeks before he
was initiated, rationalizing this as something easily metabolized,
and
on 3/25/05 5:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's just say, he acknowledged the guy had siddhis and was very
psychic but one thing was clear: he was not very holy.
Did he go into specifics? On the side if you prefer.
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on 3/25/05 11:56 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Until you know that: Maharishi slept on the floor at the foot of Guru
Dev's bed; people do not follow rigorous diets, but in fact choose
what they want to eat; development of consciousness does not require
any devotion to a guru;
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