For anyone interested in the complexities of orchestral seating
plans, there's an excellent book by Daniel J. Koury: Orchestral
Performance Practices in the Nineteenth Century (UMI Research Press,
ISBN O-8357-2051-9). It's true that the 1st and 2nd violins were
mostly seated on opposite sides,
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An annoying result of deleting and re-positioning various objects such
as expressions and
[Brad Beyenhof:]
On Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:17 PM, Michael Edwards wrote:
I learned that the beat was the primary unit of rhythm, and
that you could term subdivisions of that pulses.
Am I wrong on this? Or can you have it either way?
I would've thought the same (and I originally had
Well, the proof is in the listening. I like the piano sounds, you
don't. That's cool.
The demos are well done mp3s. They are the actual demos which come with
the unit and aren't that far off from the actual sounds, so you are
hearing a good representation of the unit.
But if you are
Michael Edwards wrote:
[snip]
It still sounds wrong: I mean, we say phrases like on the third beat -
not on the third pulse.
I'm not sure what we call the subdivisions, and a generic term for them
doesn't seem to be heard much. Thinking about it, I would probably just say
the third
Hi David,
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 04:40 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
Well, the proof is in the listening. I like the piano sounds, you
don't. That's cool.
The demos are well done mp3s. They are the actual demos which come
with the unit and aren't that far off from the actual sounds, so
Brad Beyenhof writes:
SpamAssassin works very well, actually... The best of any spam filter I've
ever seen. I got a ton of spam through my university email address (while
it was still active), and it was all but eliminated after I installed the
SpamAssassin POP3 proxy. Sure, a few things
Leopold Stokowski had a few things to say on this subject:
The tone of the French horn goes to the right of the player and downward.
From the tuba - exactly the opposite. The tone travels to the left of the
player and upwards. from the violin the tone goes upward. If the first and
second fiddles
Tim Thompson wrote:
Yeah, that too! And then there is the fraction of a percent who enjoy the
Eb alto...:-) [meaning clarinet]
There's been past discussion of this on the Bandchat list, and a
good many directors don't think the instrument is worth the trouble.
My feeling is otherwise. Those
Uh, Andrew, we're in the 21st Century, not the 17th.I think Bach would have
been amazed at the virtuosity of today's musicians.
Ronald M. Krentzman
Oh dear. Do you really think 18th-c. players (not 17th, NB) of the
2nd Brandenburg Concerto would be amazed at the virtuosity of
today's trumpeters?
On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Of course, I also think all orchl. music before Mahler shd. be
played with the violin sections sitting opposite each other,
Not just *before* Mahler* but *including* Mahler, too, right?
Zander does it this way for his Mahler
[Jari Williamsson:]
Brad Beyenhof writes:
SpamAssassin works very well, actually...
...
I got a ton of spam... and it was all but eliminated after I installed the
SpamAssassin POP3 proxy
Thanks for the tip! I installed SAproxy yesterday, and only one single
spam mail wasn't caught (got a
on 6/13/03 8:44 AM, Michael Edwards wrote:
[Jari Williamsson:]
Brad Beyenhof writes:
SpamAssassin works very well, actually...
...
I got a ton of spam... and it was all but eliminated after I installed the
SpamAssassin POP3 proxy
Thanks for the tip! I installed SAproxy yesterday,
I don't know how far from civilization you live, but in this case, if you
have such particular tastes in what is and what isn't a good sampled piano,
you need to actually go to hear and learn about the particular instruments
that are out there. As I understand the technology, the downloaded
At 08:56 AM 6/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:
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on 6/13/03 8:44 AM, Michael Edwards wrote:
[Jari Williamsson:]
Brad Beyenhof writes:
SpamAssassin works very well, actually...
...
I downloaded SpanAssassin. I noted that it said it
On 13 Jun 2003 at 4:54, David H. Bailey wrote:
When it gets time to learn about 6/8 time, I keep the same explanation.
At first, of course, they learn counting 6/8 music in 6, but when we
start to work on counting it in 2, I invariably get the question about
why isn't there a 2 in the
on 6/13/03 9:17 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 13 Jun 2003 at 4:54, David H. Bailey wrote:
When it gets time to learn about 6/8 time, I keep the same explanation.
At first, of course, they learn counting 6/8 music in 6, but when we
start to work on counting it in 2, I invariably get the
Posted by Bob Moody to the Community Music List.
I think it's important enough to forward to this list as well.
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To: Community Music
Subject: C-M: public domain
A few years back, congress
I'm new to ripping MP3 files and have a bunch of questions based on
my first experiences. Anyone who cares to can answer onlist or in
private email, and I'm perfectly happy to have URL pointers to
information on this, as opposed to patient explanations.
Anyway, I was wondering if someone on
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Oh dear. Do you really think 18th-c. players (not 17th, NB) of the
2nd Brandenburg Concerto would be amazed at the virtuosity of
today's trumpeters? Rather the reverse, I should think. They need
*valves*? What wimps!
I was talking about all instruments, not just the
After sending a message to the list for posting I received this from
a subscriber:
On 13 Jun 2003 at 10:06, Bob wrote:
Bob here,
I'm protecting myself from receiving junk mail.
Just this once, click the link below so I can receive your emails.
You won't have to do this again.
From my experience (only from ripping CDs.. not albums)
1. Ripping while doing other things which causes everything to fight for CPU
time.
2. Skips/scratches in the CDs.
Charles Evans
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--- David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm new to ripping MP3 files and have a bunch
On 14 Jun 2003 at 1:44, Michael Edwards wrote:
[Jari Williamsson:]
Brad Beyenhof writes:
SpamAssassin works very well, actually...
...
I got a ton of spam... and it was all but eliminated after I installed the
SpamAssassin POP3 proxy
Thanks for the tip! I installed SAproxy
On 13 Jun 2003 at 12:06, Rick Kathy Neiman wrote:
At 08:56 AM 6/13/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: SPAM
To: Finale 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on 6/13/03 8:44 AM, Michael Edwards wrote:
[Jari Williamsson:]
Brad Beyenhof writes:
SpamAssassin works very well,
On 13 Jun 2003 at 10:26, Charles Evans wrote:
From my experience (only from ripping CDs.. not albums)
1. Ripping while doing other things which causes everything to fight for CPU
time.
2. Skips/scratches in the CDs.
I've never had any problems writing CDs while doing other things,
At 01:06 PM 6/13/03 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
Is there something wrong with the files themselves or is my computer
causing a problem somehow? It doesn't appear to me to be related to
other activity on the computer (I've watched the CPU activity and
there is no spike just where there's a
At 06/13/2003 01:17 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
If you're going to do a whitelist like this, the whitelist software
you use better have the ability to handle mailing lists where the
FROM address is not the list. If it doesn't then you really oughtn't
be subscribing to mailing lists if you are
Yes, I meant to have that one: 3. Ripping at too fast a speed.
I have one CD that has a few scratches, skips now and then, and it refuses to
be ripped (at that song).. the ripping times out.
chuckie
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On 13 Jun 2003 at 10:26, Charles Evans wrote:
test
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On 13 Jun 2003 at 13:58, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 01:06 PM 6/13/03 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
Is there something wrong with the files themselves or is my computer
causing a problem somehow? It doesn't appear to me to be related to
other activity on the computer (I've watched the
Please let me know if this gets through.
Thanks;
Bob Florence
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On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 09:37 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Of course, I also think all orchl. music before Mahler shd. be
played with the violin sections sitting opposite each other,
Not just *before* Mahler* but *including*
In a message dated 13/06/2003 20:43:29 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the last mvt. of Tchaikovsky's 6th there is a passage where the
melody is composed of notes alternating between the firsts and
seconds, an effect expressive of restlessness and anxiety--and
completely
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 03:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Hi David,
First off, just a heads-up that you are conflating a couple of
different terms here -- the *bit size* of the sample and the *bits per
second* (i.e., bit transfer rate) of the MP3. All of your MP3s are
16-bit, same as a
[David W. Fenton, referring to 2 beats in 6/8 metre:]
There is not a 2 on top because there's no single digit to represent
the dotted half not that could be the bottom number.
The whole system of time signatures works right when the subdivision
of the beat is duple. When it's triple, the system
[David W. Fenton:]
I don't see any point in distinguishing beat and pulse. If you're
trying to perform a piece in a manner in which the pulse does not
come out the same as the notated beat, either you're playing it wrong
or it's one of those special cases where we don't interpret the
notation
Both tests came through fine.
Joel Sears
At 01:56 PM 6/13/2003, Bob Florence wrote:
Please let me know if this gets through.
Thanks;
Bob Florence
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On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 12:01 PM, timothy price wrote:
As I understand the technology, the downloaded samples
that you are listening to are probably not the same 32 bit sounds
which are
generated by the instruments you are mentioning, especially with MP3
compression from the web.
Well yes,
on 6/13/03 12:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 13/06/2003 20:43:29 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the last mvt. of Tchaikovsky's 6th there is a passage where the
melody is composed of notes alternating between the firsts and
seconds, an effect expressive
In a message dated 13/06/2003 21:34:32 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This can be traced back to the days of plainchant, in which a device called
"hocket" (French for "hiccup")
But the effect in Tchaikovsky is very different from the hocket of Machaut and his mates (and different
At 03:47 PM 6/13/03 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 13/06/2003 20:43:29 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the last mvt. of Tchaikovsky's 6th there is a passage where the
melody is composed of notes alternating between the firsts and
seconds, an effect expressive
On 13 Jun 2003 at 16:03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 03:00 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Well, I want something that is listenable, but still downloadable by
dialup users. I'll try some 32-bit samples and see what I think.
I think 32 bps MP3s sound appalling. I
On 14 Jun 2003 at 6:05, Michael Edwards wrote:
[David W. Fenton:]
I don't see any point in distinguishing beat and pulse. If you're
trying to perform a piece in a manner in which the pulse does not
come out the same as the notated beat, either you're playing it wrong
or it's one of those
on 6/13/03 2:01 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Right now I'm struggling with the program Dennis recommended, which
seems to make all the files at 192bits, as they are bigger than my
128bit files made with FreeRip. EAC also has more trouble keeping
track of my CD drive, which FreeRip has no
On another subject, there are two types of basset horns. The Leblanc model,
which seems to be the preferred version among the best players such as
Dennis Smylie in NYC, has a large bore and is played with an alto clarinet
mouthpiece.
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The situation is
This can be traced back to the days of plainchant, in which a device called
hocket (French for hiccup) was essentially a melody passed around
between lines. I personally have used this a lot, sometimes to the
annoyance of performers. Once I had a flute, clarinet, and alto saxophone
perform a
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 05:01 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Well, I've got 6.0. I've not had any problems with it whatsoever. I
find it annoying to have to constantly be updating things.
It is kinda annoying but each new point release of QuickTime (6.1, 6.2,
6.3) has introduced significant
Brad Beyenhof wrote:
This can be traced back to the days of plainchant, in which a device called
hocket (French for hiccup) was essentially a melody passed around
between lines.
Right idea, but it was used in polyphonic music, not plainchant.
(The term and practice in plainchant would be
on 6/13/03 2:43 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 05:01 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Someone else wrote and suggested WinAmp, but that's infested with
spyware, as are all the more popular MP3 players, and I simply won't
abide having those kinds of things installed on
on 6/13/03 4:22 PM, John Howell wrote:
Brad Beyenhof wrote:
This can be traced back to the days of plainchant, in which a device called
hocket (French for hiccup) was essentially a melody passed around
between lines.
Right idea, but it was used in polyphonic music, not plainchant.
(The
At 9:58 AM 06/13/03, James O'Briant wrote:
[quoting someone]
There is an individual trying to get Congress to address this problem.
There are several individuals. Dennis Karjala at the University of Arizona
(or was it ASU?) is also very active in this. Eldred, as I recall, is the
reprint
Friends,
Is there a way to simply remove a page? I'm preparing some teaching
materials that have extensive text blocks and I need to simply delete the
first page. I can't find how this might be done without messing everything
else up.
Thanks,
Doug
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On 13 Jun 2003 at 17:23, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 05:01 PM 6/13/03 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
Right now I'm struggling with the program Dennis recommended, which
seems to make all the files at 192bits, as they are bigger than my
128bit files made with FreeRip. EAC also has more
On 13 Jun 2003 at 17:43, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 05:01 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Well, I've got 6.0. I've not had any problems with it whatsoever. I
find it annoying to have to constantly be updating things.
It is kinda annoying but each new point
On 13 Jun 2003 at 15:26, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
on 6/13/03 2:43 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 05:01 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Someone else wrote and suggested WinAmp, but that's infested with
spyware, as are all the more popular MP3 players, and I simply
At 07:46 PM 6/13/03 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
I simply can't get it to work.
Andre Wiethoff is very pleasant and I'm sure he'll take you through it on
your system.
I bought a Fraunhofer codec, and then another came with Cool Edit, so I
never noticed an issue with the Lame codec. If you don't
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 07:54 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
It is kinda annoying but each new point release of QuickTime (6.1,
6.2,
6.3) has introduced significant enhancements and improvements. (At
least, the Mac version has.)
Well, I don't use anything but the player -- no musical
On 13 Jun 2003 at 20:18, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 07:46 PM 6/13/03 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
I simply can't get it to work.
Andre Wiethoff is very pleasant and I'm sure he'll take you through it on
your system.
I bought a Fraunhofer codec, and then another came with Cool Edit,
Darcy,
I have a Chickering grand piano in my living room which I love to play
with the lid open. The room has lots of glass and the floor is tile. The
sound, from PPP to FFF is delightful to swim in.
I also have a Kurzweil 2500 which I happen to enjoy, using 13 of my
favorite different
On 13 Jun 2003 at 20:20, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 07:54 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
All I'm saying is, the upgrades tend to provide significant
improvements. Apple doesn't normally upgrade QT for no good reason.
But whatever, if it's too much trouble, don't
On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 09:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 13 Jun 2003 at 20:20, Darcy James Argue wrote:
All I'm saying is, the upgrades tend to provide significant
improvements. Apple doesn't normally upgrade QT for no good reason.
But whatever, if it's too much trouble, don't bother.
On 13 Jun 2003 at 21:54, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 13 Jun 2003 at 20:20, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Well, I just put up the 128bit version of one of them. I don't see a
*huge* difference. Audible, absolutely. But not what I'd call night
and day. It's at:
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