Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-24 Thread RockyRoad
Right. People who get college degrees get higher-paying jobs and can afford more. By the time those people are higher paying jobs they will no longer be eligible for academic pricing. Its only while at college. I doubt a company would base its academic pricing on your potential future earnings

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-22 Thread Mark D Lew
On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 02:39 AM, John Croft wrote: Well, I'd be in favour of a struggling artist discount as well -- only, it's easier to decide who is really a student that assess people's claims really to be an artist. I can show a resume full of performances which were done for cheap

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Aug 2003 at 11:39, John Croft wrote: > My point was that the > principle of offering lower prices to those who (1) need to have > software in order to complete their studies and (2) have a very low > income, is not something that we should complain about. Another thing that I think people

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-22 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:29 AM 8/22/2003, Phil Daley wrote: >Someone pointed out to me that I should wait for the next Pre-something >release as I already have an old version and would then get a better >discount than the professional one. Even ordering the regular, non-pre-order upgrade to 2004 will be about half

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-22 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/21/2003 03:54 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >This is also why one shouldn't get upset about paying $1,400 for an >airline seat at the gate and sitting next to someone who paid $200 -- That's me, I flew from Manchester, NH to San Diego 2 weeks ago for $99. Someone pointed out to me that I should

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-22 Thread John Croft
On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 22:13 Europe/London, John Howell wrote: Perhaps Dr Croft could confirm that in the English system of higher education "scholar"ships were originally awarded on merit to "scholars" who could not live off daddy's money becuase daddy didn't have enough to send them to

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-22 Thread John Croft
On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 21:37 Europe/London, Mark D Lew wrote: Right. People who get college degrees get higher-paying jobs and can afford more. Sometimes they do. Often they don't (music being a case in point). The point is that they then pay full price for software, when they can affor

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-22 Thread David H. Bailey
When I ordered my copy from jwpepper on a theological discount (our community band is an off-shoot of the local church) I asked how I had to prove my association to receive the discount. They told me what sort of materials Coda Music Technology required and that if I satisfied Coda, I was all

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Carlberg Jones wrote wrote, in part: > : > > MTNA = Music Teachers National Association > > http://www.mtna.org/home.htm > to which Phil daily responded, i part > An how does joining that group certify that my wife is a music teacher > more than giving 30+ years of piano lessons to 50+ students

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Harold Owen
What is MTNA? Phil Daley < AutoDesk > Music Teachers National Association. But membership on the faculty of a college with a music department is sufficient to get the discount. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http:/

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Dr. Gordon J. Callon
> That's approximately how I feel about academic discounts. I > understand the software company's motivation for offering them, of > course, but it still ticks me off to know that kids who are living off > their parents and/or taxpayers get a better deal than others who have > to work for a living

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 07:21 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: Like Allen Fisher said, if it weren't for the academic discount on Finale, I definitely would not have the job I have today. Right. People who get college degrees get higher-paying jobs and can afford more. If the rationale is to

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Ken Durling
And, lest we forget, academic discounts apply to teachers too, who are not exactly overpaid. Ken - Original Message - From: "John Howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review &

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: At 01:53 PM 8/21/2003 -0400, Phil Daley wrote: At 8/21/2003 01:42 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: >MTNA = Music Teachers National Association > >http://www.mtna.org/home.htm An how does joining that group certify that my wife is a music

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Richard Huggins
> From: Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > An how does joining that group certify that my wife is a music teacher more > than giving 30+ years of piano lessons to 50+ students a week? Why the challenging tone? There are professional organizations aplenty, and only in a few instances is it essenti

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread John Howell
On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 21:40 Europe/London, Mark D Lew wrote: That's approximately how I feel about academic discounts. I understand the software company's motivation for offering them, of course, but it still ticks me off to know that kids who are living off their parents and/or taxpa

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 01:53 PM 8/21/2003 -0400, Phil Daley wrote: At 8/21/2003 01:42 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: >MTNA = Music Teachers National Association > >http://www.mtna.org/home.htm An how does joining that group certify that my wife is a music teacher more than giving 30+ years of piano lessons to 50+ student

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Aug 2003 at 13:53, Phil Daley wrote: > At 8/21/2003 01:42 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: > > >MTNA = Music Teachers National Association > > > >http://www.mtna.org/home.htm > > An how does joining that group certify that my wife is a music teacher > more than giving 30+ years of piano lesson

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 11:57 AM, Tobias Giesen wrote: Every request must have some proof I doubt that. It seems to depend on where you order. Well, I was only talking about ordering from Coda. I'm sure there are unscrupulous dealers out there who don't check. - Brad Beyen

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Tobias Giesen
> Every request must have some proof I doubt that. It seems to depend on where you order. Cheers, Tobias ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 10:53 AM, Phil Daley wrote: At 8/21/2003 01:42 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: >MTNA = Music Teachers National Association > >http://www.mtna.org/home.htm An how does joining that group certify that my wife is a music teacher more than giving 30+ years of piano lesson

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Carlberg Jones
At 1:53 PM -0400 8/21/03, Phil Daley wrote: >An how does joining that group [MTNA] certify that my wife is a music >teacher more >than giving 30+ years of piano lessons to 50+ students a week? About the same way that belonging to a musicians union certifies that a person is a professional musicia

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/21/2003 01:42 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: >MTNA = Music Teachers National Association > >http://www.mtna.org/home.htm An how does joining that group certify that my wife is a music teacher more than giving 30+ years of piano lessons to 50+ students a week? Phil Daley < AutoDesk > htt

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread David H. Bailey
Private music teachers have to belong to a nationally recognized organization such as Music Teachers of America (I think that's the name) or Suzuki Association of the Americas. Just the ordinary musician who teaches music lessons is s$#t out of luck! Phil Daley wrote: At 8/21/2003 11:21 AM,

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Fisher, Allen
entirely. http://www.mtna.org/home.htm -Original Message- From: Phil Daley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:33 PM To: Finale Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review At 8/21/2003 01:18 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > >On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Phil D

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 10:24 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:40 PM 8/21/2003, Phil Daley wrote: >Since I am running 3.7.2 perhaps I should upgrade, since my wife is a >private music teacher. The academic upgrade only applies to full-price purchases -- subsequent upgrades are the same p

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/21/2003 01:18 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > >On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Phil Daley wrote: > >> At 8/21/2003 11:21 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: >> >> >I think it's a smart business decision... Coda (for that is what they >> >were called at the time) sure hooked me on their product fo

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 12:40 PM 8/21/2003, Phil Daley wrote: >Since I am running 3.7.2 perhaps I should upgrade, since my wife is a >private music teacher. The academic upgrade only applies to full-price purchases -- subsequent upgrades are the same price for everybody. So while it would cost you $300 to buy Finale

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Phil Daley wrote: At 8/21/2003 11:21 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: >I think it's a smart business decision... Coda (for that is what they >were called at the time) sure hooked me on their product for a lifetime >by extending the academic discount. Also, yo

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/21/2003 11:21 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: >I think it's a smart business decision... Coda (for that is what they >were called at the time) sure hooked me on their product for a lifetime >by extending the academic discount. Also, you must remember that the >academic discount covers not only coll

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 06:22 PM, John Croft wrote: On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 21:40 Europe/London, Mark D Lew wrote: That's approximately how I feel about academic discounts. I understand the software company's motivation for offering them, of course, but it still ticks me off

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-21 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 21:40 Europe/London, Mark D Lew wrote: That's approximately how I feel about academic discounts. I understand the software company's motivation for offering them, of course, but it still ticks me off to know that kids who are living off their parents and/or taxp

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-20 Thread John Croft
On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 21:40 Europe/London, Mark D Lew wrote: That's approximately how I feel about academic discounts. I understand the software company's motivation for offering them, of course, but it still ticks me off to know that kids who are living off their parents and/or taxpa

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-20 Thread Fisher, Allen
>>That's approximately how I feel about academic discounts. I understand the software company's motivation for offering them, of course, but it still ticks me off to know that kids who are living off their parents and/or taxpayers get a better deal than others who have to work for a living.<<

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-20 Thread David W. Fenton
On 20 Aug 2003 at 0:14, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > At 11:47 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: > >Outrage is not a relevant reason for making a business decision. The > >only reason is: this will make more money in the long run. Changing > >your product to try to force money from people that

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-20 Thread Mark D Lew
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 07:47 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Outrage is not a relevant reason for making a business decision. The only reason is: this will make more money in the long run. Now there's an interesting observation. It could explain a lot about the business world -- On Tues

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 05:48 AM 8/20/2003 -0400, David H. Bailey wrote: >You know of people using pirated versions of Finale yet >you didn't contact MakeMusic, so they could do something >about the very piracy that has forced them to take the stand >of including copy protection. What principle is that? I believe they

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-20 Thread David H. Bailey
Craig Parmerlee wrote: [snip] I realize you are thinking about a different set of principles, but that doesn't make Finale's value judgment wrong. I personally know a number of people who have stolen the Finale software in the past, and most of them are not clever enough to locate a crack f

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-19 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 11:47 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: On 19 Aug 2003 at 21:57, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > At 05:34 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: > >As a software developer who has also been stolen from, I support > >Dennis's position. Honest customers will be honest no matter what. > >Dis

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Aug 2003 at 21:57, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > At 05:34 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: > >As a software developer who has also been stolen from, I support > >Dennis's position. Honest customers will be honest no matter what. > >Dishonest ones, likewise, will not generate any more in

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-19 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 05:34 PM 8/19/2003 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: As a software developer who has also been stolen from, I support Dennis's position. Honest customers will be honest no matter what. Dishonest ones, likewise, will not generate any more income for you. All you do with copy protection schemes is inc

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-19 Thread David W. Fenton
[again, coming in on a discussion that occurred while I was on vacation] On 8 Aug 2003 at 11:36, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > As a software author myself, one who has been victimized by piracy and > cracks (just like everyone else), I must disagree with the sentiments > you expressed. I find the ne

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-19 Thread David W. Fenton
[I was off on vacation for 3 weeks and just got back last night, so I'm replying to a very old message to clarify a couple of things] On 8 Aug 2003 at 17:01, Tobias Giesen wrote: > Dennis: > > > I'm not a tech junkie, and my tools are not obsolete. > > Forgive me, but Windows 98 IS obsolete. I

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
Hi, well there is no copy protection in that the CD can be copied freely and installed freely but the installed product needs to be activated thru registration (challenge/response). I think you can install it on three computers before having to talk to somebody at MakeMusic and explain what happe

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 08.08.2003 18:59 Uhr, Tobias Giesen wrote > I have had personal (albeit mostly via email) contact with many Coda > employees, and I am deeply convinced that if there is one company that you > can trust, it's them. > > Many Coda employees, including decision-makers and chief software developers

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
> I hope Finale's system will be a user-specific > challenge/response and not a computer/specific system. I see, like measuring nose and ears? > Or, worse yet, I certainly hope it isn't like Sibelius's system No, it isn't. I think you can actually install it three times and all will print and

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
Most of the Microsoft employees also use Windows, yet they are orphaning operating systems on a regularly scheduled basis, so I don't think that your argument holds here -- I'm willing to bet that all the CodaMusic employees who use Finale always use the most recent version and so have no reaso

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:50 PM 8/8/03 +0200, Tobias Giesen wrote: >I know many people are against such things but they are starting to be a >fact of the new decade. Not yet in my experience. I'll do without. I know Mac uses have dealt with this, but it is *not* a fact of life on PCs. I got a private message last nig

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread William Roberts
Hi fellow listers, > I wonder if this is the call/response system that > Sibelius uses and that Microsoft now employs, where > the installation generates a huge alpha-numeric code > that you have to report to MakeMusic and they return > you an answering code. It sounds to me *exactly* like th

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 03:54 PM 8/8/03 +0200, Davo van Peursen wrote: >Take it easy. >Why should we be disappointed or even furious? >Don't forget that estimated 70% of the use of Finale is illegal. >It is copied on music schools etc. >So far Finale did survive with their unprotected policy. >But it is wise to pro

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
Hi, well there is no copy protection in that the CD can be copied freely and installed freely but the installed product needs to be activated thru registration (challenge/response). I think you can install it on three computers before having to talk to somebody at MakeMusic and explain what happe

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Javier Ruiz
But Dennis, you already gave us the solution long time ago. You buy the upgrade, keep the box unopened and use a cracked version like somebody else. Now don´t tell me that is illegal because it is not. All pro-audio users know the problem with Digidesign and his floppy-disk authorizations. And er

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
> This action depended on Gadget Labs' essential integrity. I think > Makemusic damaged that integrity by their dissembling description > of 'no copy protection' on the website. That means I don't trust > them to do what Gadget Labs did. Just because the *marketing* guys found euphemisms for s

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 10:38 AM 8/8/2003 -0400, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Within days, if not hours, of the new version being out, there will be cracks available. Don't be so sure. There were multiple cracks for every version of software I produced. I had a very primitive protection system that was easy to crac

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Broom
- Original Message - From: "Tobias Giesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review > Unless > all the key figures die at the same time, there should be no situation that >

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
David: > I hope Finale's system will be a user-specific > challenge/response and not a computer/specific system. I see, like measuring nose and ears? > Or, worse yet, I certainly hope it isn't like Sibelius's system No, it isn't. I think you can actually install it three times and all will prin

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
At 12:50 PM 8/8/03 +0200, I wrote: >I know many people are against such things but they are starting to be >a fact of the new decade. Dennis: >Not yet in my experience. I'll do without. >... >I stopped at Win98SE for the same reason -- >no Big Brother in my pockets. See, you're still in last d

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:10 PM 8/8/03 +0200, d. collins wrote: >But I'm only at the stage where I'm trying to understand what's >going on. >So I'm also very wary, and would like to know how >troublesome this one will be. Since Makemusic chose to dissemble on their website, I don't trust them now. Period. Anything

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Davo van Peursen
TECTED] > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review > > At 02:35 PM 8/8/03 +0200, d. collins wrote: > >And what about installing it and using on a laptop with no internet > >connection? Is that easily done? > > Does that mean this is okay with you? Not even a whisper

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Jari Williamsson
Tobias Giesen writes: > I'm sure these people will > make Finale survive, including older versions. Yes, a thing that seem to support this is the fact that you can still download patches for very old Finale versions, such as Finale 2.2. Many companies only provides download of fixes for the last

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
Dennis: > I'm not a tech junkie, and my tools are not obsolete. Forgive me, but Windows 98 IS obsolete. It's a piece of you-know-what. Admittedly, it's not your fault that it took Microsoft until Windows XP to get it right. > ... if you can show me one thing that I need to > do on XP that I can

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 02:35 PM 8/8/03 +0200, d. collins wrote: >And what about installing it and using on a laptop with no internet >connection? Is that easily done? Does that mean this is okay with you? Not even a whisper of protest? Everybody else thinks this is fine, too? It's not with me. I just sent this emai

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
> I hope Finale's system will be a user-specific > challenge/response and not a computer/specific system. I see, like measuring nose and ears? > Or, worse yet, I certainly hope it isn't like Sibelius's system No, it isn't. I think you can actually install it three times and all will print and

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:55 AM 8/8/03 -0500, Richard Huggins wrote: >I think Coda/MM has the right to employ some method of copy protection. If >technically they goofed by using the words "no copy protection," that's a >gaffe they may already regret. Perhaps the words "smart copy protection" >would have been better (

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
Only if they're answering the phones at CodaMusic (or Net4Music or MakeMusic) that day. d. collins wrote: Thanks to David for explaining the system. Jari Williamsson: The challenge/response system is seamless if you do the registration over the internet. In that case, there's no extra user inv

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Ray Horton
Great review. Thanks! Ray Horton - Original Message - From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review > Hello! > > I've now put a Finale 2004 review with some tips on the tips site. I'll

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:50 AM 8/8/03 +0200, Jari Williamsson wrote: >I've now put a Finale 2004 review with some tips on the tips site. I'll >correct all the typos tomorrow... >http://www.finaletips.nu/ Here I find: "Finale 2004 has copy protection. You can read how it works on MakeMusic!'s own site." I go there

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 08/08/03 09:41, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > At 02:35 PM 8/8/03 +0200, d. collins wrote: >> And what about installing it and using on a laptop with no internet >> connection? Is that easily done? > > Does that mean this is okay with you? Not even a whisper of protest?

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
While it doesn't specify what happens, you DO have to register within 30 days for the program to continue to function fully. I wonder if this is the call/response system that Sibelius uses and that Microsoft now employs, where the installation generates a huge alpha-numeric code that you have

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-11 Thread David H. Bailey
A challenge/response system is where the program generates a code which you have to respond to with a different code. To receive your response code, you have to call the publisher (makemusic in this case) with your challenge code and they will give you the correct (hopefully) response code whi

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-11 Thread Richard Huggins
I'll retract the "immature" comment but I stand by the rest of what I said. After all, the tone of his message was one of asking for responses and opinions; I gave mine. Look, I don't worship at the feet of Coda/MM but I have to respect the enormous sums of money and manpower they have invested to

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-10 Thread David H. Bailey
But with Microsoft's system, making changes beyond a certain number to your current computer requires you to acquire a new activation code. So if you come into a nice windfall and want to upgrade your processor, add ram, change to a more expensive sound card and video card with more video ram,

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-10 Thread Dennis W. Manasco
Folks -- This looked like it might be an excellent upgrade. For some it may be. I personally cannot make any software purchase which ties my future use of the product to someone else's continued benevolence and the continuing existence of their servers. I purchased the Finale 2004 update on 8/

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-10 Thread David H. Bailey
Tobias Giesen wrote: [snip] The only problem would be when they cease to exist. But even then, you must be aware that there are some very nice people behind this. MakeMusic employees are Finale users, just like you and me. I'm sure these people will make Finale survive, including older versions.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-09 Thread Jari Williamsson
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: > Here I find: > > "Finale 2004 has copy protection. You can read how it works on MakeMusic!'s > own site." > > I go there and read: > > "There is no copy protection, no key disks, no inconvenience." > > Which is true? If there really is copy protection, I intend t

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-09 Thread Richard Huggins
This part makes sense. Sort of like having a will in the files of an attorney rather than in a desk in a room in a house which burns down along with the only people who knew about it and what it said (to use an awful analogy). In the case of a bankruptcy, for example, there is a chance (though ra

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-09 Thread Richard Huggins
Jari, Thanks a million for your review of Finale 2004. Although I haven't used it, I think praise is warranted. It seems to me that if they'd only done half of the improvements and new features they've done, it still would be worth buying. --Richard > From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-09 Thread Craig Parmerlee
As a software author myself, one who has been victimized by piracy and cracks (just like everyone else), I must disagree with the sentiments you expressed. I find the new Finale policy quite reasonable. Anybody who intended to live honestly by the license should have little difficulty with th

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-09 Thread David H. Bailey
om: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz Sent: Friday, August 8, 2003 15:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review At 02:35 PM 8/8/03 +0200, d. collins wrote: And what about installing it and using on a laptop with no internet connection? Is that easily done? Does that mean t

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-09 Thread Tobias Giesen
Hi, well there is no copy protection in that the CD can be copied freely and installed freely but the installed product needs to be activated thru registration (challenge/response). I think you can install it on three computers before having to talk to somebody at MakeMusic and explain what happe

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-09 Thread Javier Ruiz
Hey, hey, Richard, calm down: you are being excessive hostile to Dennis´s supposedly excessive hostile reaction... FYI there is an audio company that dropped all copy protection an all its products and actually have seen an increase in sales and revenues. Javier Ruiz P.S. 38 degrees today... >

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-08 Thread Richard Huggins
> From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Does that mean this is okay with you? Yes, it's fine with me. >Not even a whisper of protest? No, not a whisper of protest. > Everybody else thinks this is fine, too? I can't speak for everyone else. I think your reaction is excessively hostil

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-08 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 08/08/03 10:38, "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > I am not hugely overreacting. If you want overreaction, talk to me > off-list. :) :-) > > First of all, cracks will be there ASAP. The only penalty is to legal > users. I still don't see how we are victimized or penalized.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-08 Thread Jari Williamsson
"David H. Bailey writes: > There has to be some sort of code you enter into the installation or > else how could the program know whether or not to disable aspects of the > program after 30 days if you haven't registered? The challenge/response system is seamless if you do the registration ove